Jo0doe
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Jo0doe[edit]
The above exmples are merely a sample of the pattern he engages in on article edits and talk pages. Essentially JD's M.O. is to find obscure foreign language sources and then falsely describe what they say in order to push his POV. It's quite time-consuming to check his "facts" which is very disruptive to the project but also shields him from sanctions because not many people want to wade through everything.
I note that in his response JD argues against his previous blocks. His refusal to acknowledge doing anything wrong in the past probably explains his ongoing problematic behavior now. All of his attempted defences of the various points I made can be easily addressed, although doing so may make this request unwieldy. This is, incidentally, what happens on the article talk pages - a lengthy spiral of false, poorly written claims by JD whose debunking merely leads to more games and so on. Should I address his points or just leave them alone?
Discussion concerning Jo0doe[edit]Statement by Jo0doe[edit]So It’s really sad to spend time on addressing the Proof by verbosity accusations. First of all – I admit in full the difficulties with plain English – but actually it’s not a big deal for prolific editors which are interested in precise quality of facts at the WP articles – see [14] [15] [16]. Even a case party [[17]] . While – actually I’ve applied for help in that area [18] – but, unfortunately there no response. A Second – about my 1 years long block – As you can see from this diff [19] – I’ve accused by proof by verbosity in using the source, which I , actually, never used for reference at any WP article it’s also related to site www.ukrstor.com labeled as “Russian Nationalist Web-sites” (actually simply online book repository about history of the Ukrainian Politic Movements). I prefer to use real library - http://www.nbuv.gov.ua. Moreover I’ve a target of the WP:EEML – and as far as I’ve heard – I’ve at their “black list” – while actually it’s a not a big deal right now. Now I address the Proof by verbosity accusations
As a summary – as I can prove above – all allegations “reliable” as “fact about like "I’ve removed Himka’s text” – as you can see from my edits before – I’v use real library (- http://www.nbuv.gov.ua) and real(paper) publications of the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other prominent Western scholar - which I can support by primary sources - historical documents - which I’ve uploaded to WP for educational proposes. Also I’ve obtain a permission to use scholar text [32] for WP educational proposes – I’ll sent proof of it to any requested admins. It’s really sad to note – that the specific editor prefer to produce a huge Proof by verbosity accusations and remove historical documents [33] [34] [35] instead of explain how it possible for organization appeared it 1929 use a logo which adopted in 1941 – [36] or suggest a requested page(s) [37] [38] [39]. So – It’s would be nice to see a an administrators decision about what actually “net positive for Wikipedia” – scholar texts [40] and images [41] of the historical documents – or hoaxes [42] [43] and misusing/mistranslation of the scholar texts (examples given above) - to clarify what actually “disruption” mean in the context of the WP editing. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Jo0doe[edit]
Statement by MyMoloboaccount[edit]
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Jo0doe[edit]
I am inclined to impose a 1 year block, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions permit. This editor has already been blocked for most of the past two years, with little improvement to show for it. Given the weak English skills and difficulty getting facts straight, this editor cannot be seen as a net positive for Wikipedia. Looie496 (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I have blocked Jo0doe for 1 year, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions allow. Administrators who feel that a longer block is necessary may alter the block parameters outside of this process, but should not describe the result as arbitration enforcement. Looie496 (talk) 20:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
CC: Uninvolved eye (and voice)
[edit]Yet another thread that is not an enforcement request |
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Hi. Can someone obviously uninvolved take a look at the following edits (and edit summaries) by User: Lumidek and, if deemed appropriate, lend a calming voice to the situation? Thanks. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
The Keith Briffa article has seen what appears to be the renewal of an attempt to add BLP-violating material (poorly sourced speculation) that was last there back in Spring and apparently pushed by the same parties who are now back to try again. I've put a request for the article to be temporarily given full protection to stop this campaign in its tracks. There are not newcomers but editors who have tried to insert this stuff before. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Collect, please be arcse that edit summaries such as those you quote are emphatically not acceptable, and thic anybody abusing Wikipedia editing privileges in that way under the discretionary sanctions will come under scrutiny. The old "us versus them" mentality is dead. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
On his user page Lumidek identifies himself as the celebrated theoretical physicist Luboš Motl. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC) It seems that Luboš hasn't changed much since this blogosphere analogue of an AN/I thread, take particular note of the comment by User:John Baez posted here. Count Iblis (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
Everybody needs to stop creating sections here that are not specific enforcement requests. If you have any doubts, please read the instructions at the top of the page. If you file a request here, at a minimum you need to specify the remedy that is involved and how it applies to the current situation. This is not ANI. Looie496 (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I suggest you re-read WP:BURO. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Lumidek
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Request concerning Lumidek[edit]
Other than informal warnings about the discretionary sanctions and their applicability to his first edit today, Lumidek has received no prior warnings about the sanctions resulting from the recently concluded arbitration case.
Discussion concerning Lumidek[edit]Statement by Lumidek[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Lumidek[edit]Result concerning Lumidek[edit]
Lumidek has been notified, and the notice has been logged. Looie496 (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
Off2riorob
[edit]User formally notified of ARBCC discretionary sanctions. No further action taken at this time. T. Canens (talk) 23:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Off2riorob[edit]
This violates in particular Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Biographies_of_living_people and Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Disruptive_editing.
Should really not be necessary, since the editor is well aware of the ArbCom case, having participated in the discussion and later discussed the outcome. However, a warning was added while I filled in this too-long form:
Discussion concerning Off2riorob[edit]Statement by Off2riorob[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Off2riorob[edit]I was in the middle of filing an identical request on this sequence of events when User:Timotheus Canens warned Off2riorob and logged it with commendable efficiency [57]. Off2riorob has also been blocked for edit warring. --TS 22:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC) I think this one's done. Noting that Louie496 has warned the editor: "This is pretty disappointing, as it's clear that the motive for those edits was malicious. In my view, any repetition of this behavior is likely to get you either topic-banned from the CC domain or blocked for a substantial period of time." [58]. --TS 22:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Looie496 is perfectly correct about the warning requirement. No further sanction should be under consideration at this point. The editor is now in receipt of a warning--TS 23:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Off2riorob[edit]
Um, anything left to do here? T. Canens (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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Vodomar
[edit]Withdrawn. |
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Request concerning Vodomar[edit]
Discussion concerning Vodomar[edit]Statement by Vodomar[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Vodomar[edit]I concur with Kwami's assessment of the situation. Vodomar's second edit today was a WP:WEASELly way to insert the same unscientific POV into the text and does not match the clear statement of the sources that are provided as footnotes. Before I saw Kwami's report here, I warned Vodomar myself here that I considered him to be in violation of 1RR for that edit. Vodomar has stopped being a constructive participant in the discussion, has hitched his wagon to a single source that is not scientifically specialized, and has provided no references to the article. He is simply pushing his POV along with a tag team of others who provide no references and accept no references that don't agree with their POV. --Taivo (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Perhaps off-topic, but since the article's been protected, I thought I should mention it. A map which appears in the article was moved after the article was protected, and I updated the link in the article. This has nothing to do with the current dispute, but was done to stop a new edit war that had erupted over the map; the article now appears as it did when it was protected. If you prefer, I can simply redirect from the original file name, and revert my minor edit to the Croatian language article, but that would require one of you to either protect the file or warn the other editor if you want the article to be stable. — kwami (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC) 1) Kwamikagami, heavily WP:INVOLVED on that topic, requires certain enforcement actions: sanctioning the opponent on the article. Is this a conflict of interest?
Vodomar is now cooperating to build consensus on the article and has not edited it since it came off protection. I withdraw my request for enforcement, since (besides it being stale) there no longer appears to be any need. — kwami (talk) 12:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Vodomar[edit]
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SonofSetanta
[edit]Blocked for 48 hours by Courcelles (talk · contribs); concerns regarding socking should be taken to WP:SPI. |
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Request concerning SonofSetanta[edit]
Discussion concerning SonofSetanta[edit]Statement by SonofSetanta[edit]I don't know why this is happening. All I want to do is improve the article and I've made it clear to the other participants how I want to be involved in discussion. I've made requests to other boards to try and verify that I'm doing things within the rules and am awaiting help from the British Military Task Force. What concerns me most at the moment is that there seems to be three other participants, all who appear to have been involved in previous arguments, according to the archived discussions and these gentlemen/women don't seem to have the patience to let me feel my way around and get things right. They're posting warnings on my Talk Page and throwing all sorts of Wikipedia rules at me instead of talking me through procedural matters. I am feeling bullied and am getting the impression the others don't want me interfering with their private project. If I'd known the best place to get help from the outset I would have requested it but Wikipedia seems like a very complicated place. I've read up on Sockpuppets and I don't understand why this is being levelled at me either. Is there a way to prove I only have one membership of Wikipedia? Can I not just edit the article in friendly company, getting advice on how to improve it from these people, instead of having them at my throat? The advertising on Wikpedia suggests it is friendly, so why am I feeling as if I'm being picked on? SonofSetanta (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC) I've been reading some of the things other people are posting about me. Truthfully - this is reading like a witch-hunt or kangaroo court. All I wanted to do was edit an article. I didn't want to get involved in arguments with others but it appears I have strayed onto somebody's private article. I put all my ideas on the noticeboard and asked for help from various different sources. When I found out the correct thing to do I posted my solutions on the noticeboard before changing the text on the item itself. The others haven't given me the same consideration, despite me asking for patience and help. I get my posts deleted without explanation. Ok so loads of Wikipedia reference manuals get posted but what was to stop One Night in Hackney telling me in advance with the text and letting me have a go at fixing it? It seems its ok for One Night in Hackney to just do whatever he/she wants but when I take a bold step after several days consideration and a lot of agonising then I have a complaint made against me. On reflection it's looking as if someone like me who wants a little interest in life isn't really wanted on Wikipedia so if the powers that be want to delete my account then it's ok by me. It wouldn't be enjoyable continuing as a member if this is what happens when I try to be part of the site. But I'm not going to run away blubbing just yet. I'm going to wait and see if fair play exists here. Who is it I'm supposed to be impersonating anyway? Not that it matters but it would be interesting to find out. SonofSetanta (talk) 16:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning SonofSetanta[edit]Angus, assuming Hackney's suggestion of this being a reincarnation is correct I believe there's a violation of WP:Clean start, in particular "But if the old account came to community attention, or the topic is the subject of edit-wars and contentious editing, and especially if your old account was involved or your new account will be, then it may be seen as evading scrutiny not to disclose the old account". Hackney asked SonofSetanta directly if he had edited using any previous accounts, and it was denied. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 14:53, 25 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning SonofSetanta[edit]
Would I be right in thinking that, hypothetically speaking, if this person's last block was edit-warring in this area had been for 48 hours, one week would be normal this time? Or, again hypothetically, if it had been one week, then two would be normal? If this is so, then how about, to save a great deal of faffing around, we come over all Solomonic and split the difference at a ten-day block? A cursory look at the most obvious candidates didn't lead me to conclude that there had been any overlap between this account and those, nor do there seem to be any active probations &c listed which would be relevant. In these circumstances, check-user might appear to be fishing. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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Marknutley
[edit]Marknutley (talk · contribs) blocked for 2 weeks. T. Canens (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Marknutley[edit]
Discussion concerning Marknutley[edit]Statement by Marknutley[edit]This is a piss take right? I comment on an editors proposed sanctions (sanctions which are being proposed from the editors entire editing history BTW) This has bugger all to do with CC and i demand this get thrown out and Tony get told not to file bullshit enforcement actions. mark (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Marknutley[edit]Do topic bans prohibit editors from participating in editor-focused dispute resolution forums such as AN, ANI, RfAR, etc? Cla68 (talk) 13:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't think any kind of exception would be appropriate at this stage, because the arbitrators are very clear that they want this bickering ended and attempts to stop it by invoking the topic ban should not (as indeed seems to be happening even here with the topic banned Cla68) be interpreted as invitations to do exactly what they've been told to stop doing. Enough is enough. Tasty monster (=TS ) 14:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
It seems clear that the ANI discussion is included because it concerns editing of CC articles. The question is whether mark nutley entered into the discussion thread because of a concern about the issues raised or did he want to influence the outcome based on whether the editor agreed or disagreed with his views on CC. TFD (talk) 16:24, 24 October 2010 (UTC) This complaint is not going to cool down CC conflicts - especially since it is exceedingly stretching them to go from commenting on CC (covered) to commenting on proposed bans not really directly related to CC conflicts - this extension would cover Nutley from commenting on Jimbo's talk page because someone there might have discussed CC :). Perhaps the cool-down time has arrived? I feel that this is simply picking at sores in the belief they will heal faster that way. Collect (talk) 21:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Marknutley[edit]
I can't see any enforceable violation of the CC sanctions here. Looie496 (talk) 00:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
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Mbz1
[edit]Both the reporter and the reported user were blocked for violation of the interaction ban, Factomancer for 72 hours by Arthur Rubin (talk · contribs) and Mbz1 for 24 hours by PhilKnight (talk · contribs). Courcelles 15:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Mbz1[edit]
Not applicable, since user has been blocked for violating this interaction ban before.
Most of my block history constitutes pubishments for "violations" of this interaction ban, most of the violations much more trivial than this, by admins Georgewilliamherbert and Sandstein. They have been loathe to apply the same exacting standards to the other parties of the interaction ban, which is why I have resorted here. If this request does not result in a block, I will be forced to leave Wikipedia. Any time I start editing an article the other parties of the interaction ban can start edit warring against me and reverting my edits and I will be unable to discuss their edits with them or revert their edits without violating the interaction ban. In this way the interaction ban is being used by some as a de-facto sub-rosa license to kick me off Wikipedia without the proper process of a community ban. If I am to be kicked off Wikipedia, fine, but I expect due process, not this abuse of an interaction ban.
Discussion concerning Mbz1[edit]Statement by Mbz1[edit]I hope I am allowed to respond here. My interaction ban conditions as stated here are "This editing restriction shall include a complete prohibition from comments on the respective user talk pages, filing reports on admin noticeboards, reverting edits on articles, commenting in other venues about the other party, or directly responding to each other's comments on article talk pages. This restriction by itself does not prohibit mutual participation on articles, as long as the editors stay away from each other. The restriction is to be interpreted broadly." I did not violate any of those conditions. I did some work on the article, but I've never reverted anybody at all, not a single revert, not a partial revert, not .00000001 revert was done by me. I only added bran new, well bran new sourced information. as you could see here nothing was reverted only added. Besides adding some new info all other my edits were fixing my own mistakes, made in prior edits,fixing my English and/or moving my own additions from one place to another. It was "a mutual participation on articles" that is allowed under my ban restrictions. This edit is not a violation of my ban because I was discussing nobody. The situation with Maimonides Synagogue was an absolutely different case. My own edits were reverted. I have never at all violated my interaction ban. I have no difficulties in following my restrictions.
Comments by others about the request concerning Mbz1[edit]Hmmmm... The diff 8 that PK uses as justification for a ban seems like fairly thin gruel. I mean, Mbz was just posting a notification, no? It wasn't even really a comment. Seems a little strict PK. On the other hand, I guess a single day ban is a fairly innocuous slap-on-the-hand. NickCT (talk) 18:39, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Mbz1[edit]
The interaction ban probably could have been imposed under ARBPIA authority, but apparently wasn't. Okay, so this doesn't belong at AE technically. Neither blocks imposed were identified as an AE block. So this can be closed now. T. Canens (talk) 22:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC) |
Arbitration enforcement action appeal by SonofSetanta
[edit]Denied. The enforcement action was proper. |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found in this 2010 ArbCom motion. According to that motion, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by SonofSetanta[edit]I don't understand why I alone have been banned when it is obvious there was some sort of shennanigan going on with two users against one. I didn't think I was disrupting anything by asking people to have a discussion about the item. I would also appeal to Courcelles to look again at the article and note that a user called Domer48Fenian immediately went to the page and reverted the content again. I believe this is called "edit warring" That makes three users in the last 24 hours who have reverted what I've put in. Can it also be explained to me if the Ulster Defence Regiment page is a private article or am I allowed to edit it? Sorry if I've made mistakes doing this form. I don't really understand how to operate the template system. All I wanted to do when joining was do some good. I thought by doing just a little on this article I could learn how to make changes and let Wikipedia benefit from my knowledge. I actually don't think I will edit Wikipedia again. There's no point because I've learned that my input will be deleted - why I have no idea. I've had a proper sickening by all of this but it would be nice to see my predicament acknowledged and to find an explanation as to why so many of the other members are against me and accusing me of being (or pretending to be) someone else. Statement by Courcelles[edit]
Statement by One Night In Hackney[edit]Please reject this out of hand. The appeal is full of so many self-serving falsehoods and deliberate misrepresentations it can only be described as a tissue of lies.
Where I deemed it necessary, I explained why I had done those things on the talk page.
Now I don't even see anything there that's particularly in need of discussion, anyone else? To me it all looks like non-controversial copyediting and tidying, with a couple of maintenance template additions. Other than the removal of the tripod hosted site, every single change you see in those two diffs has been repeatedly reverted by SonofSetanta. His ownership of the article is breathtaking, making whatever changes he feels like then reverting any changes made by other people and demanding they take part in discussions.....discussions that he ignores completely! He was aware of 1RR prior to being warned yet chose to make 3 reverts in less than an hour while ignoring open discussions. Without a commitment to refrain from edit warring in future I see no reason why this appeal should be successful, all I see is a lot of WP:NOTTHEM most of which isn't even true as I have shown. The only person responsible for SonofSetanta's current situation is SonofSetanta. On a side-note, since I have had to spend valuable time explaining all this for this frivolous appeal, the sockpuppet report is slightly delayed. It will be finished by tomorrow. 2 lines of K303 12:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Statement by Domer48[edit]One Night In Hackney has outlined the issue with the edits in their usual comprehensive manner, and leaves little more to add other than a simple endorsement. A cursory glance at the article talk page will quickly dispel the notion that they attempted to engage in any meaningful discussion. The advice offered was either ignored or rejected by this editor. They then moved the discussion from forum to forum in the mistaken belief they could drum up some support with a number of unfounded accusations, which can be viewed here,here, here, here and the latest here. They were offered some advice here on their forum shopping, and despite this they then went to an additional two forums. I raised this issue with them here where I raised some questions to the validity of their comments but was rebuffed. Their sole contribution to date has been in my opinion one of creating needless drama, and feign ignorance, while at the same time knowledgeable enough to find forums/platforms to peddle their supposed victim hood. If as has been suggested, this is a sockpuppet of a disruptive editor, my tone will be more than justified.--Domer48'fenian' 17:01, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 3)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by SonofSetanta[edit]Result of the appeal by SonofSetanta[edit]
Appeal denied. The other editors who commented here are advised that the reply by Courcelles was clearly sufficient, and there is no purpose in wasting your time writing lengthy rebuttals to obviously hopeless cases. SonofSetanta is advised that arbitration remedies are enforced literally and rigorously. Arguing about whether they are good is useless; that question is not open. Looie496 (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2010 (UTC) |
WeijiBaikeBianji
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Request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji[edit]
Discussion concerning WeijiBaikeBianji[edit]Statement by WeijiBaikeBianji[edit]I thank Ferahgo the Assassin for her timely notification of this request for enforcement on my user talk page. I agree with uninvolved editors Looie496, Angus McLellan, and T. Canens in their analysis of and recommended disposition for this request. I note for the record that the request for enforcement was not accompanied by notice to any of the other involved editors, whether or not they were named or referred to without naming in the request. (I also note that some of the discussion of this request is occurring away from here, on the talk pages of some of the uninvolved editors who have responded.) I think all those uninvolved editors are Wikipedia community administrators and that they have said all that needs to be said about this request. On my part, I will go back to article content editing because I am here to build an encyclopedia and have plenty of volunteer work to do without being bogged down in pettifogging.
Comments by others about the request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji[edit]
Comments by Mathsci
Comment by Muntuwandi My understanding is that Arbitration proceedings are the last stop in dispute resolution. Arbitration requests are accepted when the other available forums for dispute resolution such as talk pages, user talk pages and noticeboards, have been exhausted. Looking at the evidence presented by Ferahgo, I see little evidence that normal discussions on talk pages have failed to resolve some of the concerns about a few of Weiji's edits. In fact many of the edits cited by Ferahgo are becoming stale. For example, according to the revision history of the Richard Lynn article, Weiji's last edit was on the 1st of October, more than three weeks ago. Talk:Richard Lynn has also been stale since about the same time. Ferahgo's evidence relies heavily on content issues, but I see very little evidence of specific conduct issues, such as violating the 3RR, engaging in low grade edit warring or disruptively editing against consensus. I haven't agreed with all of Weiji's edits, for example I didn't agree with moving the race and genetics article, but Weiji did explain his rationale stating that there is a Britannica article The decline of “race” in science. To summarize, I believe that Ferahgo the Assassin and or Captain Occam are once again trying to circumvent their topic ban by exploiting a loophole. Since filing topic ban requests is strictly speaking not within the scope of their topic ban, it would appear that they are using this request as a means of continuing their content battles. Weiji's is a relative newcomer to Wikipedia. Concerns about Weiji's edits should first be addressed on talk pages and only if these discussions fail, should these concerns be escalated to other places. At present their is little evidence that normal discussions have failed to resolve these issues. The real problem here is Captain Occam and his continued gamesmanship. At some stage a software restriction may be necessary to put an end to this endless drama Wapondaponda (talk) 10:47, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Additional comments by Muntuwandi I think there is too much wikilawyering. Captain Occam and Ferahgo are topic banned from race and intelligence matters broadly construed. Since they are subject to Arbcom remedies, it is reasonable and expected that they can file Arbcom requests, especially if an arbcom request concerns their remedies. Topic bans are enforced by the community, and what constitutes a topic is a subjective decision. The boundaries of a topic are also subjective. However the topic bans are broadly construed to prevent gaming. It is the spirit of the topic ban, not the "letter of the law" that is important. In this case, Ferahgo and or Captain Occam have filed a request that does not have much in terms of specific conduct or procedural problems, but instead is filled with content jargon. In general it is appropriate for Occam and Ferahgo to file Arbcom requests, but it is inappropriate for Occam and Ferahgo to use this privilege as a means to get around their topic ban. I am concerned about Captain Occam/Ferahgo's pattern of canvassing, particularly because this strategy seems to work. It may be psychological, but whenever an editor asks another editor to comment on a matter, the comments tend to be favorable. Some editors avoid this tendency, which is commendable, but many don't. These are
There is a lot of canvassing going on, including trying to canvass Jimbo Wales. All but two of Ferahgo's user contributions are related to race and intelligence matters. Wapondaponda (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I do think that WeijiBaikeBianji has had some moments of bad judgment - but generally he is one of the editors that are willing to listen to all other editors and consider statements backed by sources. I don't think that this petition should be considered, especially not since the editor making it is not directly affected by WeijiBaikeBianji's behaviour as she currently is not allowed to edit in the area. If editors that actually are interacting with WeijiBaikeBianji agree with Ferahgo's judgement then they can and should start an RfC or arbitrartion enforcement case. Ferahgo doesn't need to act as protector of other editors' interests in the area that she is no longer editing - I am sure everyone there is capable of taking steps to resolve their own disputes with out help from previous participants.·Maunus·ƛ· 15:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Various comments by Xxanthippe. Sigh. I had hoped that this matter was over and done with. I have to agree that WeijiBaikeBianji has shown himself to be a biased and tendentious editor of the topic. I note that MathSci is also topic banned so I am surprised to find him editing here. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC). Comments by Vecrumba Yes, there was some ruffling of feathers on some renaming, those have in the end already all been dealt with in good faith. There is no editor at the R&I and related articles who does not have an editorial POV informed by sources—as opposed to vapor-based personal opinion. I believe everyone is trying to put the recent conflict firmly in the past. The seemingly incessant stirring of the pot in the aftermath of the R&I arbitration has served only to breed new perceptions of bad faith. Really, either someone's editorial opinion is based on a fair and accurate representation of reputable sources, or not. The sooner we all get back to editing the sooner we'll be on the road again to improving content. PЄTЄRS Result concerning WeijiBaikeBianji[edit]
I propose that this request be dismissed and the requesting party be prohibited from filing enforcement requests in this area. An editor who is topic-banned should not be filing enforcement requests unless there are clear and obvious violations, which is not the case here. Looie496 (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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Cla68
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Request concerning Cla68[edit]
Discussion concerning Cla68[edit]Statement by Cla68[edit]For some reason, Tony Sidaway put the diffs out of time order above. I'll leave it up to you to decide why he might do that. Did you also notice that he tries to say that my editing an essay is somehow tied to this? Anyway.... Besides this exchange on my talk page, I have honored my topic ban. I removed all the CC articles from my watchlist. Out of the blue, however, on 24 October, Tony Sidaway left this notification on my talk page. Notifications, as we know, are customarily open invitations for interested editors to observe and comment on a proposed action. Following up on the notification, I commented on the topic under discussion, the diff of which Tony has placed out of time order above. I understood at that time that dispute resolution about an arbcom decision is ok on arbcom case pages, even on topic banned editors because arbcom was the body which had imposed the sanction in the first place. Soon after, Tony started an enforcement action on Marknutley, up above here. I was genuinely curious as to whether it was allowable for topic banned editors to participate in dispute resolution discussions involving other editors invoved with the CC articles. The reason I was curious, is because I had observed Tony make some false accusations against ATren in an WP:AN thread, and then had refused to withdraw the accusations when both ATren and WMC had told him he was badly mistaken. I wondered, in that case, if it was ok for other topic banned editors to get involved to try to make sure that the allegations were withdrawn. So, I asked for clarification, and amplified my reason in the diff that Tony Sidaway placed out of time order above. After TenofAllTrades criticized me and others for participating in the thread, I pointed out to him that Tony had invited us to do so. Judging by Tony's comments above and on my talk page, Tony apparently took exception to this. In my response to Tony's criticism, I gave him some honest, forthright criticism in return, and offered to help him expand and improve any non-CC articles. I then replied to Carcharoth on the clarification page, admitting that I was having trouble taking his advice not to respond to Tony's provocations on my talk page. So, none of my comments have been outside of the ArbCom pages, my own talk page, or Tony's page (I crossposted my response). Tony appears to be trying to escalate the dispute, for reasons I can only speculate at. Unfortunately, this doesn't appear to be the only dispute that Tony has tried to escalate recently (see below and recent threads at AN). Perhaps a prohibition on both of us interacting with each other might be in order? I would gladly accept that, as all of this has taken me away from work I was busy doing on an article that me and another editor are trying to get ready for Featured Article nomination. Cla68 (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Cla68[edit]I would like to make one comment here: I have not touched the CC topic area in months, nor have I initiated interaction with any editors with whom I've had conflict, yet TS has placed three notifications on my talk page in the last week [121][122][123]. Others have received similar notifications for issues not involving them, including Cla68. How are we supposed to detach when Tony keeps drawing us back in for no reason? The AE clarification was so vaguely worded by Tony that I honestly had no idea if I should respond. He also notified a dozen other editors of that vague request (see diffs here), most of whom are uninvolved. Tony is the one stirring the pot here. He is overreacting to minor (or even non-existent) issues, drawing people like Cla68 and other back in. And now he is reporting Cla68 for responding! I am asking the admins/arbs involved in this enforcement to please remove Tony from what appears to be his self-appointed role as enforcer of these sanctions. This will be my last comment here. ATren (talk) 12:05, 26 October 2010 (UTC) I find the evidence of continuing battlefield conduct particularly strong, but if two uninvolved administrators assess this as a non-infringement and none is going to firmly support the claim of infringement I'll leave it there. --TS 12:32, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
My observation is that TS seems interested in keeping the battle ground alive. I have no idea why. I think it would be easier for others to move on, if TS were not jumping on every comment to a notice board as a violation of the topic ban, regardless of the content or context of the comment. I think a warning to TS to be more circumspect in his enforcement attempts would be a better outcome of this filing. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2010 (UTC) It's worth noting that the "no quarter asked or given" approach is being applied to some editors (e.g., WMC and Marknutley) but not others (e.g., Cla68). So let's drop the high-minded language about "keeping the battle ground alive" and admit the blocks are basically arbitrary, eh? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Cla68[edit]
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Brews ohare
[edit]Blocked for one week. |
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Request concerning Brews ohare[edit]
Done when moving the thread to AN/I
When I saw Brews ohare edit Talk:Global warming (see [126]) I thought, oh crap not again, why doesn't he display some level of clue. I loaded up WP:AE, started filing the request, and then said "fuck it" I'm tired of being here every two weeks, and some will argue it's in the gray zone, etc. Then earlier today, Brews posted several times on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics (see [127], [128], [129], [130], [131]). So again I loaded up WP:AE and started filing a request. Then I thought "Do I really want another 4 weeks long wikilawyering mess about Brews not understanding the bounds of his ban, or that he wasn't "properly warned" or some other fine-print related argument. So I thought I'd defuse the whole thing instead by sending it to WP:ANI ([132], [133], [134]). After all, he reported a very subtle form of vandalism, so I thought a little IARing with regards to usual arbcom rules which mandates a total, complete and utter ban, no exceptions from the topic. However Brews started talking about complaining content issues once again (see [135], gets warned [136], then wikilawyers about it [137]). Brews just doesn't get it, and this time there is no possible "but I didn't know" or "but I thought this wasn't covered by the ban" or whatever "I didn't mean it that way" defense. If we give an inch per WP:AGF (like I just did), he'll take a mile (like he just did). I'm really fucking tired of this crap. Indef block him. Or alternatively block him for the rest of his ban. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Brews ohare[edit]Statement by Brews ohare[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Brews ohare[edit]There are a few other edits in recent days where Brews tested the limits of the topic ban. See [140] and [141]. In the first, the discussion at WP:NOR/N is a physics-related discussion - editors are talking about the Lorentz force and Maxwell equations and sources related to them. The second is arguably be the grey area since it is the biography article for Heaviside (and after an ec I see that Headbomb has also mentioned this edit). But the section in which Brews edited is almost exclusively about Heaviside's innovations in physics and electromagnetic theory. It appears like a case of the Camel's nose, where he was able to push up against the boundaries of his topic ban in these isolated instances far from the view of those aware of his ban, and then, since those edits didn't lead to any repercussion, he pushed further by editting on WP:PHYS. --FyzixFighter (talk) 17:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Brews ohare[edit]
Blocked for one week before I saw this report. I think the maximum block length is now 1 year under the enforcement provisions, so the next block will probably be at least 2 weeks. T. Canens (talk) 17:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
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William M. Connolley
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning William M. Connolley[edit]
Notified on 26 October 2010 (UTC) [148] Discussion concerning William M. Connolley[edit]Statement by William M. Connolley[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning William M. Connolley[edit]Given that the filer has a grand total of 63 edits (at this time), I have a hard time seeing this as a good faith action. This impression is further reinforced by the fact that his "warning" was this morning, but the youngest listed diff was yesterday. And I can imagine no interpretation by which [149] can be considered "encouraging others to meatpuppet", nor do I see any evidence of meatpuppetry. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Re Beeblebrox: Sorry, but you are wrong. "Editors topic-banned by the Committee under this remedy are prohibited (1) from editing articles about Climate Change broadly construed and their talk pages; (2) from editing biographies of living people associated with Climate Change broadly construed and their talk pages; and (3) from participating in any Wikipedia process relating to those articles." Edits to ones own talk page are not forbidden. A number of Arbs have have suggested that it is better for all topic-banned editors to step away farther from the topic (and I tend to agree), but several have also pointed out that there is no actual violation in such edits. I'm also appalled by the hectic speed. MN at least got a chance to reply. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 19:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
By the way, whose sockpuppet is User:EngineerFromVega? My Magic 8 Ball says "open proxy," but it would be interesting to know for certain. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC) This block is stupid, because William can still post on his talk page. Nothing would stop William posting some more links to CC articles. As things stand now, we still depend on William to notify us of Scibaby edits on some CC pages. That we can do without William doesn't mean that right now we don't need him. It may take a week or so before enough editors are there to check all the CC articles. Per WP:IAR, William is morally obliged to ignore the fundamentalistic interpretation of the topic ban given by some here and post links to vandalized articles in a discrete way (like on his talk page). Sticking to the topic ban means that he does not revert the acts of vandalisms himself. Count Iblis (talk) 20:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
If one carefully reads the comments on the Notification and Clarification pages, you see that the people who argue in favor of the "hardline approach", completely ignore the nature of the problems William was giving notifications too, in fact construing this as being engaged in the topic area in a problematic way, while in fact he was giving notifications of edits that needed to be reverted. He did that a day after the edits were made, so, it was likely it was not noted by anyone at all as a problematic edit. I have to say that if I were running a website like Wikipedia and I were the only Admin, I would actually block the people who are dishonest and fight personal disputes instead of seriously contributing to Wikipedia. Count Iblis (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC) I was preparing a request of this sort but somebody else beat me to it. None of the reasons given by William M. Connolley and his apologists here come close to excusing his refusal to disengage from the topic. I didn't start the request for clarification arbitrarily; it was primarily from observing his behavior and surmising that others (irrespective of faction) would see him getting away with it and be tempted to push the envelope. This tendency has to be nipped in the bud wherever it is spotted. Having said that I would prefer it if the wider community took the lead in filing enforcement reports. --TS 21:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC) Reply to Wordsmith's comment below. I am deeply ambivalent about classifying this block as falling within the "wide discretion allowed by the topic ban", when the letter of the ban (which the ArbCom deliberately and unusually chose to specifically scope in their findings) does not include user talk pages. Where administrators are allowed wide discretion is in the application of discretionary sanctions under a separate portion of the remedies. However, the discretionary sanctions require users to be engaged in disruptive or counterproductive behaviour not in the interests of the project (which WMC's edits do not seem to be), and that the user receive a clear warning before a block is applied under those sanctions. What has happened here is that a well-meaning but overzealous administrators has msinterpreted and misapplied the case remedies in a draconian fashion, with the effect of punishing WMC for making an effort to respect the ArbCom's ruling while still contributing positively to the project in his area of expertise. As a further regrettable side effect, this block has rewarded WMC's opponents for stirring up this unnecessary conflict across multiple noticeboards in a way that is well beyond the spirit (and often letter) of their own restrictions. This is a very unfortunate precedent. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:34, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
A way forward (e/c)Furthermore, to Beeblebrox's suggestion "Take it to a wider forum or back to ArbCom if you want", we do not need to take it back to ArbCom because they addressed this specific issue. Coren specifically identified this type of edit as the type one should not do, but is not covered by the ban. One option is to ask for an amendment to the ruling, as Coren suggests, but I believe there's an easier approach. In the very next bullet point (in Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification ) Davies points out
That's all that is needed. Remove the block, issue a cease and desist, and if it happens again, block.--SPhilbrickT 21:39, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning William M. Connolley[edit]This is cut and dried. The topic ban is to be broadly interpreted, and this edit [151] violates it. I'm off to block Mr. Connolley for the next two weeks. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
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Any block, or action under a block, needs to be clear, and the reasoning explained, so that outsiders like me can review. On the face of it, this looks like punitive BS. ArbCom's ban does not extend to discussing the matter on user talk pages, an issue that was under serious discussion around October 21-22. To my knowledge ArbCom has not clarified that. To reduce the ArbCom decision to OMG don't even think of climate change is an absurd extreme, and would speak poorly of ArbCom if that were their approach to handling contentious topics. If WMC is to be blocked for this action could someone clearly state the applicable sanction, the behavior in question, and how the behavior fits the sanction? - Wikidemon (talk) 02:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC) |