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Max Werenka[edit]

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WP:BLP1E Fram (talk) 15:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Canada. Fram (talk) 15:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Finding an old car in a lake isn't notable, the case surrounding the missing person could be. This is very much 1E territory. Oaktree b (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:BLP1E. Article creator Memevietnam98 also uploaded the article's infobox image to Commons claiming a CC BY 3.0 license, which is unsupported by the provided source link, so I have nominated the image for deletion too. BluePenguin18 🐧 ( 💬 ) 01:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racial hoax[edit]

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Nominated by an IP user: Non-notable concept. Any references to this term I can find ultimately lead back to a single author, Katheryn Russell-Brown, showing that this concept has not reached the level of notability for an article. There are a handful of notes about her work on it, but the little I can find is fairly surface level and doesn't add the sort of analysis that would be required for building a well developed, neutral article. Moreover, the vast vast majority of the article is WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, attempting to attribute documented cases to this concept, despite no other authors having done so. Strip that out, and also the "Concept" material which doesn't really discuss this as a concept, and this boils down to a single source. UtherSRG (talk) 23:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Ethnic groups, and Popular culture. UtherSRG (talk) 23:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Aquillion, Firefangledfeathers, Gumbear, Maxxhiato, Tulzscha, and 195.180.48.123: Pinging participants in a relevant talk page thread from March 2023 to February 2024, which is preserved at the talk page of this AfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  No need to copy the talk to the deletion discussion's talk, as nothing has, yet, been deleted. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge / delete. A few small parts are mergable - specifically, the parts of the concept section about Russel-Brown's writings can be merged to Katheryn Russell-Brown and / or The Color of Crime (1998 book); but the rest (the bulk of the article) ought to be deleted as WP:OR / WP:SYNTH. As an academic term it's real but is mostly just by one author and is better covered on that author's page; the rest of it is mostly just a list of whenever the media has used the words "hoax" and is original research / synthesis in the sense that it connects a bunch of things to a theory when most of them lack sources making that link. --Aquillion (talk) 03:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This is a demonstrably real social phenomenon. Perhaps rename it "List of Racial Hoaxes"? religious hoax is also merely a list of notable religious hoaxes. Not sure why we'd treat the two differently.
  Also, after reviewing the AfD Discrimination nominations, need to make sure this isn't a larger effort towards viewpoint censorship. Gumbear (talk) 12:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Renaming/framing it as a list doesn't address the fundamental notability problem (and only probably weakens its case per WP:NLIST). As for the other, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And finally, please tone down the censorship rhetoric; it's not helpful. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - lots of citations. Article may need improvement, but AfD is not for cleanup. Skyerise (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You can't clean up a lack of notability, and that is for AFD. Simply having citations isn't enough, and you didn't address the deletion rationale that I provided. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:44, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete While the incidents listed are notable, there are not enough sources beyond Russel-Brown's book and other writings to enable the article to explore the concept itself. TH1980 (talk) 01:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep real topic, meets WP:GNG. Yes, the article needs improvements, and as Skyerise pointed out this is not the purpose of AfD. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umm Fahad[edit]

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A Iraqi TikTok personality who was recently shot. Seems to lack any notability or sources while alive, a violation of WP:VICTIM and WP:GNG. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 21:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Dance, Crime, Internet, and Iraq. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Proposal I'd support a move to Death of Umm Fahad.Jeanette Tu Novia Martin (?) 22:05, 27 April, 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Wouldn't the title Murder of Umm Fahad be more accurate? Like Murder of John Lennon? Brudelman (talk) 23:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Yeah, thats what i meant...Jeanette Ms. Red Lipstick Martin (?) 02:35, 29 April, 2024 (UTC)
• Comment @BlakeIsHereStudios: Has someone consulted possible sources in Arabic? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually think Internet "personalities" are worth the time of day. However, she seems noteworthy as it further highlights the ludicrous things that people will fall foul of the morality police in the middle east.Salty1984 (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a result of "Morality Police" - as Iraq doesn't have an official designated police force. Iran on the other hand, yes. The Ghashd Ershad (Morality Police) exist there, but don't shoot people (albeit they do harass people). This woman was killed by some lunatic fanatic by the looks of things, nothing related to morality police. Just thought I would clarify that. Ali313korosh (talk) 01:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•My understanding is that in Iraq, an influencer may speak about social and political issues as well as promoting cosmetics and clothing. Perhaps an explanation of the role of influencers would make the death more significant. - - - - 65.18.206.23 (talk) 04:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Death of Umm Fahad per JeanetteMartin's !vote, most if not all the coverage of this individual seems to be in regards of their death. However, more indebth sources need to be provided in order to satisfy WP:NOTNEWS and WP:GNG, which I am unsure if the article passes at the moment. Inter&anthro (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Move and wait, as her death seems to be gathering international attention. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Like others have previously said, move to Death of Umm Fahad for now. B3251 (talk) 23:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete An individual whose persona has not garnered much attention, and I am doubtful that their passing will have a lasting impact after a short period of time, possibly weeks or months. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Umm Fahad, her real name Ghufran Mahdi Sawadi, was another social media influencer murdered because their individual lifestyle is hated by the irakian system. Her Voice was important as an resistance against the morality of the Irak government. It was a internationally perceived femizid. "Traditional societies have very restrictive ideas about gender roles. Women have to be modest and reserved, they should serve men and not show off their bodies," explains Dorothee Dienstbühl, Professor of Criminology at Brandenburg Police University. -> https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/politik/ausland/irak-influencerin-tiktok-ermordet-femizide-100.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true --Jensbest (talk) 21:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]