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The result was delete and redirect to W. W. Herenton. ✗plicit 00:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Willie Herenton (basketball)[edit]

Willie Herenton (basketball) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from his famous grandfather. There are a decent amount of sources, but most revolve around his being the grandson of a civil rights leader and/or local puff pieces. Not a notable basketball player who does not appear to have played professionally. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Basketball, and Illinois. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Coverage seems to be either trivial (like local high school human interest pieces) or not independent (Miami Hurricanes produced stories). Rikster2 (talk) 16:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete a non-notable athlete.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:47, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - He has stories about him in at least 2 major newspapers - the Miami Herald and the Chicago Tribune. Miami Herald is independent of the Miami Hurricanes and not local to his high school. While Chicago Tribune is local to his high school it is hardly a small town paper writing about a local boy making good, it is a major newspaper in a massive market that chose to write stories about this particular high school student out of 1000s of local students multiple times. Rlendog (talk) 16:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And the Chicago Sun-Times, another major albeit local newspaper, also wrote at least one article about him, although it is behind a pay wall. Rlendog (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I should point out that the nomination seems to misread WP:NOTINHERITED. NOTINHERITED says that "The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar." Since Hereton passes GNG by virtue of articles about him in at least 3 major independent, reliable sources, NOTINHERITED would not preclude his notability, even if those articles were solely about his relationship with his grandfather and didn't discuss his basketball playing (but of course they do the latter anyway). If Hereton was not covered in any reliable sources, then merely saying that he is notable because his grandfather is famous would run afoul of NOTINHERITED. Rlendog (talk) 20:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Herenton has accomplished essentially nothing as a basketball player - he was a walk-on at Miami. Most articles I've seen about him mention in the context of his grandfather. I did not make the argument that there were no sources available, but there was not enough to sustain a separate article. That being said, I wouldn't be opposed to having a mention of him in his grandfather's article. And if there was more about his life since he averaged 1.2 points per game as a senior, I might reconsider as well, but I'm not seeing it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

At a minimum there is sourced material that can be merged to his grandfather's article. Rlendog (talk) 14:42, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom; no objection to a redirect to his grandfathers article. BilledMammal (talk) 06:36, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I see lots of local coverage of his high school career, but nothing that shows me that any WP notability criteria is met. I don't believe WP:GNG or WP:NHOOPS is met. No objections to putting something brief in his grandfather's article. Papaursa (talk) 20:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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