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The result was redirect to Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight. Redirects are a valid ATD and this could be a viable search term. No harm is caused by the Redirect. Star Mississippi 02:14, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ulferd Bruseker[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence found of any notability, is just included in some databases. I checked Delpher.nl (large database of Dutch newspapers) both for Ulferd Bruseker and for Frits Bruseker, and found nothing that would add notability. Looking for Bruseker worstelen (Dutch for wrestling) gave some Brusekers in result lists (but no further information), but their initials were "M Bruseker", "W Bruseker", so apparently not about the one we have an article on. Other articles like this again mentions him (as participating in the Olympic wrestling event), but again without any further information. Similar here. The most extensive result I could find was a very short review of his Olympic 1st round defeat, here. This article by the way contradicts our Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight article, switching the results and opponents of Bruseker and his compatriot Van Moppes. I have no idea if our article is right, or if the review from the day is right. But our article is confirmed by this (one line about Bruseker), so I guess the "best" article I found so far is not trustworthy... I haven't found any article that actually gives any further information about Bruseker, but I may have missed it.

I had redirected the article to Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight, which seems like the logical solution here, but was reverted. Fram (talk) 10:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 10:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 10:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 10:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 10:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. No indication of notability; fails WP:GNG through lack of significant coverage. My own search also failed to turn up anything relevant. BilledMammal (talk) 11:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This is one of the most exhaustive nominations I have seen, and it leaves it 100% clear that this person in no way meets our inclusion criteria.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight or to Netherlands at the 1908 Summer Olympics#Wrestling per WP:ATD. Nom's analysis is correct: Bruseker's matches were reported within broader reports, his overall life and (sports) career not so much. By ATD this article should be redirected, NOT deleted, as a good alternative to deletion exists. As nominator puts it, I had redirected the article to Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight, which seems like the logical solution here, but was reverted. Of course, if someone finds an entry in a lexicon or in-depth coverage: I'm always happy to change my position, given good sources. gidonb (talk) 00:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fram, the wrestler's common initials were "U O Bruseker". Bruseker + worstelaar will provide additional hits but, as far as I can tell, not at the quality needed. I appreciate the quality and depth of your WP:BEFORE! gidonb (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Wrestling at the 1908 Summer Olympics – Men's Greco-Roman lightweight Per nom and gidonb. Not notable, but redirection is a valid alternative to deletion. Kudos to nom for being bold and just creating the redirect initially, but alas he was reverted so here we are. Smartyllama (talk) 15:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a horrible plan. Wikipedia should not be turned into a bunch of redirects to non-notable people. If people do not meet our inclusion criteria we should in general delete the articles. We should only redirect if we have a target article that actually has substanial prose text about the person. Redicting to a bare mention in a long list is just not a good idea.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

JPL, you grossly miscategorize the target. There is much more there than a bare mention. And even if it was just a mention, per WP:RFD: Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. gidonb (talk) 04:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If we redirect every non-notable person who competed in the Olympics, we will end up with thousands if not tens of thousands of new redirects. This is way more than a few.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the costs are extremely small, it doesn't matter. For example, if each redirect eats up zero point ONE HUNDRED ZEROS then 1% of the WP budget, it doesn't matter at all if we create 1, 10, 100, 1.000, or 10.000 redirects for Olympians. On the benefit side, the picture is VERY different. Each of these names is a likely search term every once in a while and will bring hits to WP. Among these people potential new editors and donors. Even just readers, who land on very factual articles, will be left with a good impression and add to our traffic and reputation. So the benefits have an enormous edge over the costs. HUGE! gidonb (talk) 12:49, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and Johnpacklambert. Fails WP:GNG. Avilich (talk) 02:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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