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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Sight (Clement-Davies novel)[edit]

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NN book, fails WP:GNG UtherSRG (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy and United Kingdom. UtherSRG (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:40, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:

  A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:

  1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

  Sources
  1. Lester, Talia (March–April 2004). "The Sight". Stone Soup. Vol. 32, no. 4. pp. 20+. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14.

     The review notes: "Another brilliant twist in The Sight is the ending. In most stories, the hero or heroine is completely victorious. The Sight includes a dramatic and stunning conclusion that keeps you on the edge of your seat until you read the last gripping words."

  2. St. John, Anne (July–August 2002). "David Clement-Davies: The Sight". The Horn Book Magazine. Vol. 78, no. 4. p. 455. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "The novel's many messages are delivered with a heavy hand. Too often, the author relies on eavesdropping as a way to convey information; the manufactured fantasy names are difficult to keep straight at times; and there are a few predictable plot turns (as well as one rather underhanded one). But the depiction of wolf culture is fascinating; the rich backdrop of physical and historical references adds texture; and the intense writing style sweeps the reader up into the story."

  3. "The Sight". Publishers Weekly. Vol. 249, no. 7. 2002-02-18. p. 98. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14.

     The review notes: "Despite sophisticated language and some complex concepts, such as the origins of evil, the author's clever plot twists (such as which wolf eventually claims to be Wolfbane) make the thick novel well worth the commitment. Strong female characters also provide a refreshing change to the often male-dominated science-fiction/fantasy field."

  4. Lannon, Linnea (2002-09-29). "Children's Books". The New York Times Book Review. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14.

     The review notes: "Like Fire Bringer, this novel is rife with religious, mythological and folk-tale references, a considerable cast and a final confrontation between good and evil. All of which is fine, up to a point. Younger readers will gloss over the Christlike suffering of Larka, the she-wolf heroine, and most certainly the allusions to ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia; The Sight is an epic escape that explores the power of stories and imagination. But for more sophisticated young readers -- and the adults the publisher must be hoping will cross over -- the relentless reworking of everything from Communism to Little Red Riding Hood is wearying, especially given that it's the second coming -- er, time around."

  5. "The Sight". Kirkus Reviews. Vol. 70, no. 4. 2002-02-15. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14.

     The review notes: "Above all, this is a story about stories: how they educate, enrich, and comfort, but also entrap within the dead weight of myth. As much as the reader will learn about wolves, close attention will reveal even more about what it means to be human. A flawed but heartbreaking work of imaginative vision."

  6. Rodman, Blake Hume; Pricola, Jennifer (August–September 2002). "The Sight". Education Week. Vol. 14, no. 1. EBSCOhost 7311313. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14.

     The review notes: "Indeed, the Sight is strong in Larka, a pure-white she-cub who alone possesses the power to destroy Morgra and end the evil quest. Some readers may find the mysterious prophecy confusing or stumble through the complicated themes, but most will be intrigued by Clement-Davies’ adventurous and rewarding epic."

  7. Mitnick, Eva (2002). Jones, Trevelyn E. (ed.). "The Sight". School Library Journal. Vol. 48, no. 6. p. 134. EBSCOhost 6744888.

     The review notes: "However, much of the tension is lost by a convoluted plot and a multitude of interminable scenes, mostly discussions between characters, that will make many readers either skip ahead or abandon the book entirely. However, this may be a good choice for readers who have outgrown Brian Jacques's "Redwall" series (Philomel) and are ready for a more complicated animal fantasy."

  8. Decker, Charlotte (September–October 2002). "The Sight". Book Report. Vol. 21, no. 2. ISSN 0731-4388. EBSCOhost 7302899.

     The review notes: "The plot revolves around the Sight, which bestows the power to foresee the future and use it for revenge. The length of the book may deter all but the most devoted fantasy reader"

  9. Gustafson, Diane (2006-11-26). "On wing or afoot, animals abound in fantasies". Redding Record Searchlight. Archived from the original on 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-06-14 – via Newspapers.com.

     The review notes: "Finally, "The Sight," by David Clement-Davies, was highly recommended by our library's Teen Book Discussion Group. The story is set in war-torn 15th-century Transylvania, during the reign of Vlad Dracula. This intriguing, gothic backdrop adds to the mysterious nature of the tale, and magic and the supernatural also play a huge part in the story. ... This is a classic good-versus- evil theme, with a twist, that older teens will have trouble putting down until it's done."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Sight to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd like to see some assessment of sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The reviews pass WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK#1. Per NBOOK, full-length reviews count towards notability. The magazines and newspapers (e.g., NYT, School Library Journal, and Publishers Weekly) are longstanding publications that has sufficient editorial policies to demonstrate a reputation for fact-checking & accuracy mandated per WP:RS and are independent. Some of reviews lean on the shorter side at a paragraph and is borderline meeting SIGCOV, but others are longer; the NYT source is four paragraphs and another review linked above by Cunard provides two paragraphs. Similarly, these sources also likewise meet GNG as well, and overall this should be kept. VickKiang (talk) 02:26, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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