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The result was ‎ speedy keep. Subject has indeed been confirmed elected to the Tasmanian Parliament. Canley (talk) 06:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miriam Beswick[edit]

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This individual is not being projected as being elected yet, and the claim that she is "expected to be elected" is unsourced. Article made prematurely. It is entirely possible that Beswick will not be elected – article is speculative and has misinformation. J2m5 (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I guess your going to go from article to article on the projective MPs, as literally every single one features various parts stating they have already been elected and have begun their duties. This one is more conservative and states that she (or possibly redgrave) is projected to be elected. This is visible and has accurate information in the affirmative on the blog of Antony Green, ABC projection, and would you believe it, even the Tasmanian electoral commission. There is no reason to delete it, and I think if anything it sounds politically motivated rather than being based on the amount of sources. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 11:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All other articles (that I know of) are of persons who are projected as being elected without any doubt by reliable sources such as the ABC, eg Tabatha Badger, Rob Fairs, etc. It is not certain that Beswick is being elected. If Redgrave gets elected and she doesn't, this article has given everyone misinformation that she is a member of parliament. Read WP:POLITICIAN, WP:N, WP:OR and refrain from making spurious accusations of political motivation. ABC has not projected Beswick as a member of parliament as of 4 April, and the TEC definitely has not. It is not the role of editors to speculate on what may happen in the future – that is WP:OR. It is to summarise existing sources, none of which currently definitively suggest Beswick is a member of parliament. In contrast, now that the ABC has projected Andrew Jenner as being elected, which is a reliable source, now he passes WP:N/WP:POLITICIAN and an article can be made for him. J2m5 (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, and Australia. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 10:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, we will just be remaking it in a week either way. DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 11:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify Sigh. She's not yet notable per our regulations and is very likely to become notable per our regulations in the time it takes this AfD to run. If she somehow doesn't, though, she won't be notable. So just draftify unless something changes within the week. SportingFlyer T·C 15:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Draftify I agree, it's annoying but she's not currently notable until she gets elected. If she's likely to be elected, then there should be no problem drafting this for now and moving it back to mainspace if she is indeed elected. GraziePrego (talk) 00:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify and close ASAP per WP:SNOW and WP:PROMO and WP:CRYSTAL. Wikipedia shouldn't be used as promotional tool by political candidates which is essentially what the article is currently doing by declaring someone the presumptive elected candidate. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and currently this person fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as proposer: ABC has projected Miriam Beswick as being elected, so the article no longer requires being moved to draftspace. This can in future be avoided by users such as DeadlyRampage26 refraining from making politician articles until reliable sources actually project them as being elected. J2m5 (talk) 06:42, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Projections are not wins. SportingFlyer T·C 19:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In practice, editors in the past generally have made Wikipedia articles before politicians are declared elected by a commission or are formally sworn in. I don't love the practice, but I'm not here to start a paradigm shift, I just wanted to move to draftspace an article for a person who was (at the time) not even being officially projected to get elected by any reliable outlet. J2m5 (talk) 00:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep The subject has now been elected to the Tasmanian parliament. Onetwothreeip (talk) 04:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]