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The result was delete. The one "keep" opinion does not address the reason for the nomination (lack of sourcing). Sandstein 14:09, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Minna Rautajoki[edit]

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Following a recent RfC, the Fed Cup was removed from WP:NTENNIS and therefore Rautajoki no longer has automatic notability. Also worth mentioning that she only played in regional group games in 1999 Fed Cup Europe/Africa Zone according to BJK Cup rather than the latter stages of the tournament. The 10K doubles tournaments don't confer notability either.

I conducted a few searches and found mostly database and stats coverage. A Finnish search yielded one decent source; HS but it's little more than a basic match report. We wouldn't keep sportspeople in other fields with so little coverage so I'm struggling to see a good keep argument here unless other sources turn up. WP:GNG does not appear to be met on current evidence. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:59, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep This player meets the Wikipedia:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines. A tennis player is presumed notable if he/she:

Has competed in one of the international team competitions: Billie Jean King Cup vs fed cup, Davis Cup, Hopman Cup or World Team Cup. User:Vecihi91^{User talk:Vecihi91} 19:05, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete does not meet GNG even mildly. It has been established in multiple forums that meeting a sports SNG but failing GNG means we need to delete the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This rule still applies so it's ridiculous to be nominated for deletion.User:Vecihi91^{User talk:Vecihi91} 13:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines is a WikiProject essay and not an official policy or guideline and certainly not a 'rule' in any sense. The fact that this article fails the SNG (WP:NTENNIS) and general notability (WP:GNG) is way more important. Do you have any significant coverage of this player at all? I've struck your second vote. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:59, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment A search of the Helsingin Sanomat digital archive finds a billion match results, but also these (paywalled, titles translated): "Minna Rautajoki barges to the tennis Finnish national championship finals" (~200 words), "Minna Rautajoki continues to surprise" (~300 words), "Minna Rautajoki wins the 14-year olds' tennis championship (~100 words). Seems somewhat borderline: not massive coverage, but more than passing mentions. -Ljleppan (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting these. I'm still leaning delete for now but it does show that there is at least some coverage of her that could add a sentence or two to a bio. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think that's a perfectly valid stance to take. On the other hand, I would probably also find a stance of "barely scrapes by" undertandable. It really is annoyingly borderline. I really can't say I'd personally oppose either outcome :/ Philosophically this feels like something I'd like to merge to another article, but I can't think of a good target. -Ljleppan (talk) 13:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If something like List of Finnish tennis players existed then it'd be a great merge & redirect location. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Vecihi91 do you have any evidence of significant coverage for Rautajoki? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Modussiccandi (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.