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The result was keep‎. Sandstein 19:51, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Gillespie (producer)[edit]

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The referencing is mainly about the corporation with passing mentions only of Gillespie. One contains no mention of him at all. Those offering significant coverage are repetitive and not reliable sources. If he truly passes WP:BIO references must be found to verify that. Since none are here it appears to be a puff piece about him, bloated by the corporation's material. While a certain amount of corporate information is needed to illustrate any personal notability, I see insufficient to verify any and far too much about the corporation for this to be a biography. Fails WP:BIO and WP:V 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi, Thanks for taking the time to contribute here.

In entertainment this is a complicated issue because while the individual is often credited (in film credits or on an album) that individuals business dealings, which often represents their notable work, are wrapped-up in a corporation. For example, on the Scooter Braun page, a much larger page for a similar type of notable person many references talk about his company Ithaca Holdings, not Scooter himself. At other times, Scooter and his notable actions are mentioned in passing when the article is about some other personal drama not related to the content of the page.

Normally I would suggest creating a page for the company instead here, but as in my above example, there is no page for Ithaca Holdings. When making edits an effort is being made to get closer to the Scooter Braun page in terms of tone and style.

However your point is well taken and i'd be happy to look at making additional edits here that anchor the perspective on Gillespie without slipping into too many mentions of the company.

Could we name which sources we're not considering reliable? happy to remove those as needed but i'm having trouble identifying which are causing the most trouble.

I still think this person meets WP:BIO and their impact on the music industry is notable. as this discussion continues I will do additional research and identify improvements that can be made JaredUram (talk) 13:08, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•  Comment: I think we have to interpret that commentary as an opinion that the article be kept.

I should point out that WP:BURDEN for referencing is on the editors wishing to keep the article. Further, a welter of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not make for a persuasive policy based argument. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 15:14, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Trivial mentions of this person. All I find are name drops, no articles about them. Oaktree b (talk) 16:11, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  most hits are from "Music Business Worldwide", which feels very PR. Oaktree b (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for these notes. I am acting on this feedback and believe keeping the page has merit. I will submit re-writes to address. JaredUram (talk) 02:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• keep has publications from Music Business Worldwide, Variety and other notable sources. He has also managed Frank Ocean which they are tons of sources which discuss him at large.Chaosbrigader64 (talk) 23:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 01:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Sufficient sources to have a page. Meets WP:GNG.Chekidalum (talk) 11:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per reasons above. Music Business Worldwide sources are reliable and not PR. They're other sources present in the article there that are also reliable. Thanks JaredUram (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Source from Music Business Worldwide and Deadline Hollywood are sufficient. Satifies WP:ANYBIO. Be icaverraverra]] _talk 18:40, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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