The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The only agreement here is that this article needs a great deal of work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Magic Kingdom Parade[edit]

Magic Kingdom Parade (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

plain advertising The Banner talk 09:06, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Amusement parks-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disney-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 09:23, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• delete half the sources are from disney themselves and could be untruthful and one is a random fan page, also page is just longer then a stub and lacks sources, the page itself has multiple issues that need to be resolved if the author wants to keep the page up, Im really bad at this (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Several hits in GBooks, most are travel books. Non-notable. Oaktree b (talk) 18:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There's no reason why books in the genre of travel can't establish notability. NemesisAT (talk) 08:29, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not shocked to find that this is in books, and easily improvable with only a little research. Disney is fairly well documented, after all. Amusingly, not only does Kokai & Robson 2019, p. 3–4 document the parade route and what happens, but both it and Veness 2020, p. 88–89 document a widely-publicized fire that this article doesn't have and apparently has not ever had in its contentious we-don't-read-books history. The latter can almost certainly verify much of the content that has been repeatedly inserted and removed for being unverfiable over the past decade, too, because it has a history of the various parades. Pages 88–89 are part of a "Magic Kingdom timeline" section from page 72 onwards. Yes, Springer Nature and Simon and Schuster are not vanity presses, and Kokai and Robson are professors.

  And if you are worried about the correctness of the start and end date information about the Dumbo's Circus Parade that was sourced to a WWW site, you could always try an encyclopaedia instead. (Smith 1998, p. 174)

  • Kokai, Jennifer A.; Robson, Tom (2019). "You're in the parade: Disney as immersive theatre and the tourist as actor". Performance and the Disney Theme Park Experience: The Tourist as Actor. Springer Nature. ISBN 9783030293222.
  • Veness, Susan (2020). The Hidden Magic of Walt Disney World, 3rd Edition: Over 600 Secrets of the Magic Kingdom, EPCOT, Disney's Hollywood Studios, and Disney's Animal Kingdom. Simon and Schuster. ISBN 9781507212561.
  • Smith, Dave (1998). "Dumbo's Circus Parade". Disney A to Z: The Updated Official Encyclopedia (2nd ed.). Hyperion. ISBN 9780786863914.
• Uncle G (talk) 18:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then act wild and improve the article. The Banner talk 19:00, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Potential for improvement using book sources shared above. I suspect there may also be newspaper sources available at newspapers.com, but am unable to check right now. AfD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. NemesisAT (talk) 08:25, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge/Redirect to Magic Kingdom or Keep – The topic has received some coverage and would be well-suited for now to be included in the Magic Kingdom article. If expansion down the road warrants its own article, an editor can do the work to change it back and expand with sources. --GoneIn60 (talk) 16:02, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another point to mention... The parade is now called the "Festival of Fantasy Parade" and appears in numerous, secondary sources including The Orlando Sentinel, InPark Magazine, Spectrum News 13, and Capital Gazette. There are also other nationally-recognized, reliable theme park blogs that cover it as well, and those articles number in the dozens. While I'm sure someone could eventually expand this as a standalone article with appropriate sourcing, merging a few lines of coverage in the Magic Kingdom article and changing this to a redirect would suffice for now. --GoneIn60 (talk) 20:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:12, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per sources provided by Uncle G and GoneIn60 along with many hits on Gbooks. The article needs improvement for sure, but the sources provided establish notability per GNG. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Yes Uncle G provided sources indicating passing GNG. The rationale needs to be more detailed to back up the "plain advertising" claim. AfD is not clean-up.l Oakshade (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep because of the sources, but this article needs help. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.