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The result was redirect to Lists of astronauts. ✗plicit 13:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of space travelers[edit]

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I'm not sure how this page is necessary? Just links to other list articles. I guess it should be a redirect to Lists of astronauts instead. Tame (talk) 08:15, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 08:27, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect to Lists of astronauts. Dream Focus 09:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect, and I guess merge if needed, they are both disambigs. Why on Earth did this end up listed on 'list of companies-related deletions'? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:21, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Lists of astronauts. Unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep, the redirect doesn't work, because the lists are deliberately not the same. List_of_astronauts_by_name starts with the definition "This is an alphabetical list of astronauts, people selected to train for a human spaceflight program to command, pilot, or serve as a crew member of a spacecraft" (i.e. people who were in space professionally, doing something useful), and refers readers to the current list if they want to know about others who've gone into space, for example as commercial passengers/tourists. I think this is a helpful distinction. It would be possible to maintain the distinction by turning these lists into a combined table, with extra columns to indicate whether the person was a passenger or an astronaut, but that's a truly huge amount of work, and will make the whole thing bigger, so I think it's simpler to keep two lists. But I don't really feel strongly about the passengers, because only time will tell whether we actually care whether Branson went into space or not. Elemimele (talk) 13:55, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lists of astronauts and List of astronauts by name aren't the same article. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Qwaiiplayer, Abhishek0831996 good point, but renders the redirect an even worse idea, because the data for which the reader is searching won't be available at the redirect target. If you click on something that promises a list of names, you shouldn't get dumped in a list of missions, nationalities, ethnicities and billionaires. Some space travellers will not feature in any of the lists at Lists of astronauts because, for example, as space-travellers rather than astronauts, they may not belong to any of the missions, nationalities or ethnicities that we've included. Frankly, the whole lot of those lists are a mess. Why do we have a List_of_Ibero-American_spacefarers but no list of European astronauts, and why does the Ibero-American list include Klaus_von_Storch, who hasn't made it off the ground, and is realistically unlikely to do so? By all means delete, but don't bother with a misleading redirect. Elemimele (talk) 17:13, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Lists of astronauts. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 14:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Lists of astronauts - After a quick comparison, it seems like List of space travelers by company is the only list included here that is not already present on the Lists of astronauts page, so that should probably be added. But, outside of that, this is entirely redundant. Rorshacma (talk) 17:40, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment from creator---thanks for pointing out lists of astronauts; if I had known about this, I wouldn't have made the page. I had spent a while looking for a particular list of space travellers, and in order to spare other people the same effort, I made the list of lists; I think the reason I didn't realize lists of astronauts was what I needed is that list of cosmonauts, referring to members of the Soviet space program, showed up right before it in search, so I automatically assumed this was a list of non-Soviet astronauts (I should've checked, sorry). Anyways, redirect seems like by far the most reasonable choice. Oeoi (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect or delete. I'm striking my weak keep. I was fooled by the browser on the device I was using, which somehow skipped straight to the actual list of space travellers by name at List_of_space_travelers_by_name. Looking into it, I've seen it does this with several list-of-list type articles, possibly because of my clumsy fingers! My comments above therefore applied to completely the wrong article. But with thanks to the closer for reopening, as technically it's right that the AfD should run its course. Apologies to all for causing confusion. Elemimele (talk) 22:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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