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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 17:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of mayors of Carrboro, North Carolina[edit]

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List of mayors of Carrboro, North Carolina (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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List of not notable local politicians. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:16, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you clarify your statement on Lydia Lavelle? She definitely drew a lot of media attention. Shouldn't our notability reflect that? Are you aware that we are already at 3 mayors with articles? Do you believe others are notable as well? If so, which ones? gidonb (talk) 12:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Well-referenced list. It provides historic and encyclopedic information that is too detailed for the main article. It can also serve as a redirect target for mayors that are not always notable. The fact that the mayors are not automatically notable was already pointed out by others. gidonb (talk) 23:56, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Among the reasons for keep I will add that the list already has three notable mayors with their own articles, strongly undermining the premise of this AfD. Most likely, additional mayors are notable as well. This list helps navigating to real articles and puts these in historic perspective. gidonb (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We need reliable sources to support a list like this, not primary ones, but three of the four footnotes are the latter. And while the fourth is real media, one reliable source isn't enough all by itself to support a list of almost entirely non-notable people, since it only supports one name in the list. Bearcat (talk) 17:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Just wrote an article on a third mayor, Michael R. Nelson. There seems to be some talk of how, starting with Nelson, Carrboro's seen a total of three gay/queer mayors, all in recent history and how that's a somewhat unique trend, especially in North Carolina. Not really sure that's enough to make this list notable, but it might help to look for sources along that line. -Indy beetle (talk) 21:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome article, Indy beetle! I agree that the LGBTQ factor contributes to the media interest into recent Carrboro mayors. gidonb (talk) 01:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This list looks notable enough to exist on Wikipedia. Rreagan007 (talk) 20:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:47, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge. While the mayors themselves are mostly not WP:NPOL, inclusion of their names in a reasonably referenced list like this seems acceptable. However, the information should probably go into a section on the page Carrboro, North Carolina, and not be a separate page. Perhaps use an expanding section (show/hide) if the aesthetics and balance of the page is impacted, per MOS:COLLAPSE, or delete if that's not acceptable. Chumpih t 03:57, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:LISTN. Not a notable town with notable mayors. KidAd • SPEAK 22:32, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Three mayors have articles at present and probably more are notable. Shouldn't our recommendations be information driven? gidonb (talk) 12:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Have to throw some cold water on that, Carborro is a small town famous in NC for its hipster character, but not for its political leadership. Eleanor Kinnaird has an article due to her status as a state senator, not as mayor. I tried to demonstrate Michael R. Nelson's notability because he got press coverage outside of the region and by state and national LGBT publications for being the first gay mayor in NC. Lydia Lavelle seems to have been written for similar reasons, though the article's current sourcing doesn't demonstrate an imprint beyond Orange County. As I suggested before, searches for state and national media attention due to the town's recent LGBT mayoral leadership might produce some material, but we can't just assume it exists. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Flipping obvious merge to Carrboro, North Carolina. When the only significant source is a list drawn up for the town centennial, it shows we've gone way past the limits of notability. There's no need for a separate list. I wouldn't oppose outright deletion either, given that it's just a list of names with no other information. Mangoe (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll add that the three recent mayors of some slight note are not a justification for the other eighty-plus years of apparently barely recorded officials. It's a safe bet that the city article already notes the several firsts anyway. Mangoe (talk) 18:31, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, your "safe bet" is wrong, but since the article is so small a merge probably could be done under the "Government" section. I agree that there is probably little of note about most of the mayors up to the 1990s. Merging the list though would be preferable to deletion. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe there is value for this project to keep verifiable lists like this one, even if based on primary sources. I think this type of list may overwhelm the main city article, but I am supportive of a merge to preserve the information. That all said, we should have a community-wide discussion about the appropriateness of these lists. --Enos733 (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. There's two separate questions to be considered here; whether the topic meets WP:LISTN, and whether a standalone page is needed at all regardless of notability. The notability of individual mayors does not directly impinge on either of these questions.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 18:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge to Carrboro, North Carolina. There's no text, so there's no context. Think about it: if someone was looking for information on mayors of Carrboro, would they look under "L" or "C"? Lamona (talk) 17:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is a notable, referenced list. Several mayors already have articles. I'm not sure how a merge would work. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 13:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Referenced list, as noted above several notable people even have articles. Hindijux (talk) 15:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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