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The result was redirect to Black Ox Orkestar. History remains under the redirect if further sources are eventually identified that might establish notability Star Mississippi 03:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Le Petit Théâtre de l'Absolu[edit]

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The sources don't seem to seem to support notability. There are two links: one is a self-published website by the co-founder and therefore not a reliable source. The other appears to be a Chicago Tribune article from 2001, but the link does not work. Cannot otherwise confirm notability. Singularity42 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. Singularity42 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Quebec-related deletion discussions. Singularity42 (talk) 19:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I don't cite Levine's website, the second reference comes from an academic journal dedicated to puppetry. Both that review and that of the Chicago Tribune attests to their participation in notable theatrical festivals. I located PDFs of both sources via academic library search, and will attempt to update the Chicago Tribute link. I will continue to search for press of the Israel/Palestine tour. Thenewobjective (talk) 19:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG DELETE:If you look at the one good reference (not the on with pages no found or that is self published), it says nothing about this. I looked this up. Parts seem to be accurate (Black Ox Orkestar exists) and others don't (outside of Wikipedia, I can not find anything about a puppet theatre that toured through Israel and the West Bank in 2003 founded by European Jewish folk quartet of musicians). I don't know what this is. It could be orginal research, undercited, unnotable, or a hoax. I do not know. Regardless, this clearly does not belong on Wikipedia, and I don't see any way to fix an article that has nothing published on it, and with a subject that does not even seem to exist. I would most definetly vote delete, and look into the other mentions of this on Wikipedia to see who added them to see if this is a mistake orginal reasearch or a intentionally planned hoax. Starship SN20 (talk) 21:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I don't see any sources in French in Google or GNews, it was likely a promotional page for them before they went away in 2005. Nothing notable at this point almost 20 yrs later. Oaktree b (talk) 23:02, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete At best we have a single article about the troupe from the Chicago Tribune, everything else is either a trivial mention, or information directly from the creators of the troupe itself, which is not independent. I can't see where a single review from a single newspaper is WP:SIGCOV. --Jayron32 14:24, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Black Ox Orkestar, where it is mentioned in relation to its two founders, as an alternative to deletion. I've searched available databases in ProQuest and EBSCOhost and all I'm finding are event listings, not reviews or anything else in-depth on the troupe. The Chicago Tribune source (ProQuest 419322824) is not about the subject—the troupe is only mentioned in passing. Same for the Puppetry Journal (ProQuest 1797309)—it's only mentioned in passing and is not reviewed in a depth with which we could write an encyclopedia article without delving into original research. The Gabriel Levine book, written by a founder, is not independent of the subject. Despite a hearty effort, the topic does not have significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. (?) czar 03:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see why we should make this a redirect. It never should have been created, it should be deleted. No reason to redirect as harldy anyone has heard of this. Even the creator said that they found it in the Black Ox Orkestar article here. No reason for a useless redirect Starship SN20 (talk) 13:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I linked the reason above: WP:ATD-R. Nominators are expected to puruse alternatives to deletion before coming to AfD and WP:Redirects are cheap. The standard on Wikipedia is to WP:Preserve content wherever reasonable and within policy. And re: the user talk conversation you linked, please do not WP:bite newcomers. They are the lifeblood of our editorship and we should be encouraging their good faith contributions, not calling them hoaxes. It is clear that this troupe existed—they just haven't generated enough press to sustain a dedicated article without delving into original research. I suggest retracting your statement to them. czar 03:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Black Ox Orkestar - a harmless and typical redirect, if ever someone is looking for this. Nfitz (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as above two comments. Additionally, I favour redirect over deletion because, while this troupe itself doesn't appear to meet notability standards, there's really nothing at all wrong with the content, which someone might want to pull out of the history later to use for a related article on Levine or something else related. -- asilvering (talk) 05:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.