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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ife Empire[edit]

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It appears to be WP:FRINGE or WP:OR, none of the sources specifically use the term "Ife Empire". Ifẹ seems to already cover the scope of this article. Jaqoc (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Jaqoc (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Jaqoc (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep it seems like Ife may have been both the name of a kingdom, and of its capital (which is also called Ile-Ife), see "Ife was the capital and principal religious centre of the Yoruba kingdom of Ife, which prospered thanks to trade connections with other West African kingdoms."^[1] To quote this other source: "The welding of many pre-existing small settlements together to create the city of Ile-Ife and the kingdom of Ife marked a great leap forward in the political history of the Yoruba people."^[2] On the other hand, this British Museum exhibit guide describes it as both a "kingdom" and a "city-state",^[3] so maybe it was merely a city which exerted control over nearby territory? Both articles could definitely use some improvement though. The relationship between the two isn't clear by reading either page. Some copyediting and updated sources are also needed. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment changing my vote back from "weak" to strong keep. This journal article by Robin Horton in Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria sums up the academic consensus of Ife at the time, which held that "Ife was the first great kingdom of the Yoruba". The article challenges some consensus views on the origins of Ife/its inhabitants, but not the idea that it was a kingdom. Perhaps rename the article to "Ife Kingdom"?^[4]

• Speedy Keep. The contents is quite different from that of the article on the city. DGG ( talk ) 17:46, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DGG Then it seems like the title of the article should be changed to the WP:COMMONNAME, which is "Kingdom of Ife". I have never heard of Ife being described as an "empire". Jaqoc (talk) 06:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

sure. DGG ( talk ) 08:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep perhaps as Ife kingdom -- This is about the history of a polity. There is a list of sources, many of which seem to be academic ones. Redirecting to Ife is inappropriate since that is an article about a city. It may be that some of the content of that article would be better in this one; I do not know. There is probably a need to make a link so that this become a "main" article to that one. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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