The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of county routes in Onondaga County, New York. The clear consensus is a redirect. Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

County Route 236 (Onondaga County, New York)[edit]

County Route 236 (Onondaga County, New York) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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This article was redirected to List of county routes in Onondaga County, New York for 10 years until a few days ago when it was unceremoniously reverted back to a standalone article. A past discussion Talk:County Route 236 (Onondaga County, New York)/GA2 and several other discussions [1] as well as WP:USRD/NT have concluded that county roads are not notable.

Moreover, this route has no route markers and there are also filler statements such as the fact that only one county route in Onondaga County is signed, the routes are not usually marked on maps, so an exact date for the route's inception is unknown. Rschen7754 03:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Rschen7754 03:57, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect—the subject is not notable for a stand-alone article, but it could be a valid search term useful to point readers to the list article. Imzadi 1979 → 04:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• ’’’This AFD is not necessary’’’ The article needs to be merged per previous consensus decision. Redirect without merging anything, as was done despite merge decision, was wrong. After my attention was called to the old AFD by a new edit there, i noted merge had not been done, and restored article with note in edit summary at least, that merge not redirect makes sense. Please close this new AFD as an administrative matter, and either a) implement a decent merge or b) post proper “merger implementation needed” type notice on the article per instructions for closing AFDs. (Note I supported Keeping the article in original AFD, but agree with later decision to merge to an appropriate target.) Doncram (talk) 04:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should we merge the part where we say that we don't know when the route was built? --Rschen7754 04:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • My overall point (and the reason I started the AFD) - there is too much fluff in the article that is really not worth merging. --Rschen7754 19:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I interpret Rschen7754's overall point as to cause grief to me and/or drama in general. The AFD was opened by them as if I or others had asserted the County Route article should stand as it is. Having a new argument about that would be great fun, I suppose they thought, allowing them to relive their glory of being party to the 2012 decision to get rid of the article by merger. I objected to the AFD, and later I closed it, and they opened a deletion review proceeding which I presume was for purpose of causing more grief and drama. Immediately after brief discussion at my Talk page upon my asking them to drop what I will now call this petty crusade, they literally opened Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_February_25#County_Route_236_(Onondaga_County,_New_York)_(closed) Which serves to expand and prolong discussion, on an "issue" where there was no real disagreement. And then this AFD was later reopened. As noted by another participant in the deletion review, the AFD should not have been opened; a temporary misunderstanding could have been addressed by normal wp:BRD process. Personally, I experience this as bullying to try to abuse me. Why do administrators bully? Because they can. That is my understanding of what is going on here and goes on too often in Wikipedia. --Doncram (talk) 01:42, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. Wrong venue. You're looking for WP:PM. Other then that, nom sounds great. casualdejekyll 21:31, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect — This should have not been reverted back to a standalone article, this county route is not notable enough on its own and should redirect to the list. Dough4872 21:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect basically per Dough4872. If you're upset the merge was never done, the correct response is to perform the merge, not to restore the entire article to make a point. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Gee, I am sorry to have given Rschen an excuse to cause drama, by their creating this unnecessary AFD. Which invites others interested in drama to chime in non-productively, in my opinion, with interest of chiding me perhaps, rather than interest in properly addressing the issue raised imperfectly by me. I was not myself up to speed on how to do the closure that should have been done originally. Okay, fine, I will close this and figure out how to post the proper merger-required tagging. Fie on all of you who just want drama! --Doncram (talk) 04:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• This deletion discussion was closed by User:Doncram, a non-administrator, at 05:11, 25 February 2022. Pursuant to the powers vested in administrators by WP:DPR#NAC, I am vacating this closure. I am doing this because the closure was by a user involved in the debate, was before the customary time had elapsed, and was malformed. The discussion is deemed reopened, but given it has been closed for only a short period, I deem it reasonable to retain its original closing schedule. Stifle (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This is without prejudice to any other uninvolved administrator closing the debate early for a different valid reason. Stifle (talk) 14:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Given its lack of notability, the article is sufficiently covered as a list entry in List of county routes in Onondaga County, New York. –Fredddie™ 19:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and redirect to List of county routes in Onondaga County, New York. There is nothing on this page that can't be easily integrated into that page. I have also added some notes on the Talk page for the list of county routes with my thoughts on making the page better and more suited to being a target for the redirect including adding thumbnail maps to the table. Gusfriend (talk) 05:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect Remind me again why we're still here when everyone here including the nom is OK with this outcome? Seems like it met the criteria for a speedy close and I'm not sure why it had to be reopened. Smartyllama (talk) 13:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete non-notable roadway. No problem with a redirect. SportingFlyer T·C 17:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per above, and prior precedent. Literally WP:MILL. Bearian (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.