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The result was redirect to List of Gillingham F.C. players (1–24 appearances). – Joe (talk) 19:04, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Orford[edit]

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Fails WP:NFOOTY due to playing in an era before the English Football League was "fully professional". More importantly fails WP:GNG due to complete lack of WP:SIGCOV. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 20:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:22, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - playing in the Football League confers notability per WP:NFOOTBALL. Article needs improving, not deleting. GiantSnowman 16:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per my comments at Austin Dunne above. No Great Shaker (talk) 19:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep passes NFOOTY.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or redirect to List of Gillingham F.C. players (1–24 appearances) - can't see any claim to notability outside of the trivial NFOOTBALL pass Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:06, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Doesn't seem to be any real concern regarding WP:NFOOTY, but a lack of overall concensus around GNG. Nothing has been presented to indicate anything approaching significant coverage. Feel that this is a delete given the current input and complete lack of sources, but the NFOOTY / GNG discussion needs more time to be discussed to allow the presentation of sources that satisfy the claim to GNG which NFOOTY presumes
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 22:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or redirect to target mentioned above. With only 1 game he fails GNG and the spirit of NFOOTBALL, and he had no other career that could be covered. It's also evident that an archival news search has been conducted, and all that was found was an article about the team he signed for where he was mentioned as a new signing. When it comes to precedence, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mickaël Kapriélian seems relevant to me. Geschichte (talk) 16:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:GNG. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:42, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - as GiantSnowman wrote so well above, the article needs to be improved, not removed. Montgomery15 (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect, we are far past the time where one appearance in a professional-level game is assumed to automatically confer notability in the absence of even a single significant source. Since there is a list to redirect to, that's preferable to deletion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:16, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Gillingham F.C. players (1–24 appearances). The WP:NSPORTS FAQ states For contemporary persons, given a reasonable amount of time to locate appropriate sources, the general notability guideline should be met in order for an article to meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. (For subjects in the past where it is more difficult to locate sources, it may be necessary to evaluate the subject's likely notability based on other persons of the same time period with similar characteristics.) A footballer with only 1 professional appearance in 1925 seems very unlikely to have the coverage to meet GNG. The article is 2 years old and has been at AfD for 2 weeks and no one has presented sources that would allow this article to expand from a permastub (my WP:BEFORE couldn't find anything either). Qwaiiplayer (talk) 13:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.