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The result was delete. The argument that this is a BLP1E has not really been refuted and no real suggestion that there is the enduring coverage to overcome that. I’d suggest keep voters revisit in a while and if they can show enduring coverage after the court case has finished then we can discuss whether this should come back. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cameron Herrin[edit]

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Fails WP:PERP. Generic. It is essentially WP:BLP1E and fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 03:17, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Either this biography passes WP:GNG, or otherwise, we can rename the article to "Bayshore Boulevard streetrace collision" and reframe this content to focus on the event. Most or all of the coverage names and describes this person though, with much less coverage of the event itself or any of the several other people involved. News reports have been continuous from 2018 till present, like in this timeline from 2018-2021 which summarizes 20+ other news stories. We have Tampa Bay Times Jun. 1, 2018 giving a biography of the person. Before this event, the person was a tiktok celebrity with two million followers and was said to post streetracing videos to tiktok [1] [2], all since deleted, so his conviction for streetracing seems to be in a context where he was known for this activity. Following the trial a research team identified a fake botnet fanbase to advocate for him, but also this is among a real fanbase. The case is itself being used in journalism to discuss other issues including social privileges and technology. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It all stems from the one event. Without that event, none of it would happened, which is the very definition of WP:BLP1E. The citations above have to remind their reader who the person; it is the description of transitory. scope_creep^Talk 14:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Scope creep: Can you say more about how WP:BLP1E applies? There are three criteria there: single event, low profile, and not well documented. I am seeing 4 years of regular media coverage from multiple sources, a social media celebrity whose face and name are published continuously, and discussions about this person's lifestyle outside of the event. Why you find that BLP1E is a fit here? Bluerasberry (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this is a clear case of WP:PERP. And since the event itself had no long-lasting effects, renaming the article is inappropriate as well. And as scope_creep as already pointed out, this is also a case of WP:BIOIE.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onel5969: There have been multiple long lasting community changes at Bayshore Boulevard where the collision occurred, and now the event is a matter of local history. Sources [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] These are all about the community; I think that other changes include the social discussions about subject of the biography also. Bluerasberry (talk) 23:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep a notable incident. His court case is widely popular worldwide and reported on international media. The plenty of coverage by mainstream news source found. I also support to rename to Bayshore Boulevard streetrace collision . VocalIndia (talk) 06:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - a pretty notable incident with long lasting effects -- however, considering the page focuses more on him, and not the notable incident that he took major part in, i think it's better if we rename it and then change the content accordingly to discuss the recent happenings at Bayshore Boulevard. Synesthesium (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not notable. It is a completly common event. scope_creep^Talk 23:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment As a crime, there is nothing here is fundamentally different from the many types of crime that happen across the world on a daily basis. The event is completly generic, so common that it is not commented on. It regular mundane thing. The long changes argument is utterly facile. That happens everywhere as well. As soon as there is a big road accident, the police are notified, the roads people are notified and roads stuture are changed to lessen the accident. That happens everywhere in the western world, to make the chance accident happening again. The Precautionary Principle kicks earlier to straighten and removing obstacles for years. An example would be the babies that are getting beating up and killed in the UK. The Tik Tok content is an so shallow, because it is typical social fare, no understanding of law. The subject didn't have article based on their social media. But even if they did, they would not still notable for this, because it is such a common event. Here is an example:
• Larger than life
• Crash

It is a common happening every day, all over the world. It varies, but the common elements are there. scope_creep^Talk 23:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your comment. This incident is world-wide interesting case. Also hit in India, Hindi language media also reported about this case. Here is some coverages in notable ways [8] and [9]. VocalIndia (talk) 14:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Latin Post is a US paper with affiliate content and the 1st reference doesn't seem to be about him. scope_creep^Talk 17:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the boy is notable. The person might not be notable but it has gained international attention. The incident is clearly notable, being the subject of worldwide coverage...So enough to meet WP:GNG. VocalIndia (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is a online newespaper based in New York. Of course you can read it in India, you can read it anywhere on the planet. That doesn't make it international coverage. If a local paper picked it up, like for example, The Times of India, then it would be international coverage. There is a fundamental difference. The root of the argument is that is common occurance. It is common in India, more common, because India has a mountain of accidents, than mostly anywhere. It happens everywhere, everyday. And because papers have a duty to report, doesn't make it notable. scope_creep^Talk 18:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh! Clearly WP:IDONTLIKE whatever that is your opinion not me. Well, "Mohini Sigh killed in a toilet of Indian Parliament", that her death case will report on intermedia? definitely will not because it is a common event. VocalIndia (talk) 18:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It not a case WP:IDONTLIKE. Do you not read papers? Your haven't dissproved the central tenet, which is the crime happen's everywhere. The same kind of events happen everywhere with slight variations. They are not standalone unique events. Knife crime in London is a classic example. It is often a stabbing, done by same type of person, for the same reason, intergang warfare or revenge, or turf war. scope_creep^Talk 18:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as it fails WP:SIGCOV. More than 20 citations are from a single source. Moreover, the incident is too generic. --NeverTry4Me - TT page 19:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Keep as per VocalIndia's arguments. Jam ai qe ju shikoni (talk) 14:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, clear WP:BLP1E case. Stifle (talk) 14:57, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Clear failure of BLP1E, and there's no long lasting non-news impact of the accident. Further social media traction isn't a good indication of notability. Star Mississippi 17:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Comment I think it might be better, to write an article on the crash and redirect this article to that, instead of having an article on the perpetrator, because he is only notable for one event. GoldenBootWizard276 (talk) 01:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep but rename. I Agree with GoldenBootWizard276. Rewrite the article on the crash. That guy is not likely notable but the incident is worldwide known case. Taung Tan (talk) 12:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The incident is notable and verifiable. The article should be renamed to reflect the incident.InfiNeuro (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete The article reads like a transcript of his court case, beyond that, I'm thinking it's just a routine crime. Oaktree b (talk) 16:09, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Routine crime coverage is not enough for notability. Lavalizard101 (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, A unique notable case with enough coverage. Alex-h (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, blatantly fails WP:BLP1E. The arguments that it is notable and significant are not supported by the sources, which are almost exclusively from two publications and are largely just brief, routine crime coverage. The argument that we could have an article about the crash seems obviously absurd. Herrin is clearly a low-profile individual; and there's no particular indication that the incident had any long-term significance or notability, just a rush of breathless articles (almost exclusively from Fox and the Tampa Bay Times) followed by the usual updates on a court case's progression. This is plainly not sufficient to support or justify its own article. --Aquillion (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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