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The result was no consensus. Specifically, there is no consensus in the discussion on whether the award is notable enough to provide notability according to WP:PORNBIO. No prejudice against trying again in a couple of years.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Angelina Valentine[edit]

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Uncelebrated pornstar who fails WP:Pornbio. Her only awards were XRCO's one-time "Deep-Throat Award" and Tranny Award's "Best Non-Transexual Performer," which has no competition because few straight performers have sex with trannies. She has no mainstream appearances. She has not appeared in any breakthrough blockbuster flicks. Her one unique contribution was being the first cisgender to have sex with Kimber James, but that distinction is hardly worth recognizing. Finally, the lack of reliable sources makes her fail WP:GNG Redban (talk) 08:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Redban (talk) 15:39, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No reason to keep an article like this.--TMD Talk Page. 15:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @TMDrew: Could you be more descriptive about what "an article like this" means? Could you give WP guideline related reasons? Dismas|^(talk) 06:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - I doubt that it's fair to say that the Tranny Awards "Best Non-Transexual Performer" has "no competition because few straight performers have sex with trannies"...that sounds merely like a personal opinion. I'm not enough of an expert on transgender adult films to know whether or not those specific award ceremonies (or that specific award category) are "well-known and significant industry awards" though. I'm also not aware of any truly unreliable sources that are currently in this article as of this posting here. Guy1890 (talk) 06:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Passes WP:PORNBIO; she won an XRCO award & a Tranny award, which are well-known and significant and not scene-related/ensemble categories. Rebecca1990 (talk) 09:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per arguments above. Subtropical-man talk
  (en-2) 20:58, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Her awards = The Tranny Awards is relatively new (2008 inception), and the "Non-TS Performer" has gone to the same person (Christian XXX) 3 out of 6 times, making me believe that the competition is tepid, or Christian XXX just really knows how to work with a Tranny on-screen. Look here: http://www.theteashow.com/tranny-awards-2009-winners/, The Tranny Awards picks its winner using a panel of 6-judges of questionable credentials, such as bloggers, forum users, and interviewers. They use fans to decide the winners, in other words. Thus, I do not find it reasonable to consider a Tranny award as "well-known and significant." As for XRCO's award, this award-ceremony may be significant, but "Best Deep-Throat" is not. If she had won for "Female Performer of the Year" or "Best Actress," for example, then you would have a case. But we cannot legitimately vote "Keep" on the basis of her deepthroating prowess. Again, for the sake of Wikipedia's legitimacy, let us not keep pages based on someone's "Deep-Throat" prowess. Redban (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Passes WP:PORNBIO criterion #1. She has won a XRCO Award. --Λeternus ^(talk) 22:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Fails PORNBIO, since the "Tranny Award" doesn't contribute to notability per prior discussions (it's given by a production company to promote its own business), and the "Deep Throat Award" is insignificant, just one of a number of awards from XRCO like "Superslut" and "Cream Dream" with no discernible selection criteria. No reliably sourced biographical content -- in fact, no biographical content at all. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 13:56, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Tranny Awards are organized by Grooby Productions. According to Angelina Valentine's IAFD page, she has never worked for Grooby Productions, so they're obviously not promoting their own business in any way by giving her this award. Rebecca1990 (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Bogus awards like this should not protect BLPs that lack the required standard of sourcing. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:09, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per arguments above Rebecca1990 --Hillary Scott`love (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails notability standards for this occupation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:58, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per Rebecca1990. Dismas|^(talk) 07:53, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the deletion rationale is basically a not particularly brilliant example of wikilawyering. No particular feelings about Tranny Award, but the XRCO Award is definitely both well-known and significant. Cavarrone 09:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per everyone above - Passes WP:PORNBIO. –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 00:59, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, she's won awards from award shows notable enough for their own Wikipedia page and she's quite popular in porn. ShawntheGod (talk) 10:38, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Won individual awards. Thus passes first criteria of PORNBIO. -- fdewaele, 28 December 2014, 23:44 CET.
• Delete. Fails WP:GNG. 14/18 sources cited are routine coverage announcing award nominations or wins. The remaining ones are database entries cataloging film a appearances and partners, or only mention the subject briefly ([1]). The only source left [2] is a primary source where she identifies her sexuality. Further investigation reveals no indication of notability. Becky Sayles (talk) 18:14, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, despite the bombardment of sources, most of them are purely routine, brief mentions, or not independent. Does not meet the WP:GNG. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 01:38, 31 December 2014 (UTC).[reply]
• Delete. Lack of mention in reliable sources in fatal to notability per the GNG, and the industry award lacks notability such that being a recipient grants notability. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 16:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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