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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alec Torelli[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG Kleuske (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Jupitus Smart 15:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, notable cash game player with over $1,500,000 in live earning. Receiveing regular and significant coverage in the poker world, Torelli is notable and passes GNG. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 16:29, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Torelli has over 1.5M in tournament cashes and significantly more in cash game winnings.. He clearly passes GNG http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=74855&_ga=2.41462690.108718280.1500016818-478809225.1452494301#

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• Comment, earnings is irrelevant to WP:GNG, whats needed is significant independent coverage, at the moment the article needs more in-depth sources. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Isn't this enough? He's clearly a poker celebrity in Italy, with plenty of coverage in the specialized press. He also gets focus in German and in French. Currently he's involved in a high visibility scandal (there ain't no such thing as bad notability, is there?). 84.73.134.206 (talk) 05:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. He doesn't satisfy the informal Wikiproject Poker criteria and hasn't gotten much press coverage. Poker scandals are, unfortunately, a dime a dozen, and his is far from the most egregious. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• From the Bluff source posted below:

  He also won back-to-back events at the WPT’s Fiesta Al Lago stop last year for just over $200,000, and he’s even made a huge splash at the World Series of Poker the last two years, finishing second in the 2008 No Limit Hold‘em heads-up championship for $336,000 losing to poker superstar Kenny Tran), then final-tabling the prestigous $40,000 buy-in event at this year’s WSOP, where he finished sixth for $329,000.

  Doesn't this meet Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker#Biography article notability criteria? From the link:

  For purposes of notability, Wikiproject Poker does not consider the Additional Criteria for Athletes to be valid for poker players. The project considers a poker player generally notable only by:

  • Winning a WSOP/WPT/EPT/SBOP event.
  • Winning a million dollars in a single event at an established tournament.
  • Induction into the Poker Hall of Fame

  He won two WPT events.

  Cunard (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Clarityfriend. $1,500,000 in tournament winnings (not earnings) is nothing. bbx (talk) 01:28, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This person has received over 200 sources covering him this year alone, for example source such as PokerNews from 2015 say that he is among this first bloggers in poker. I wrote this article long before the angle shooting incident, receiving negative coverage should not nullify someone from GNG. He has also been a long time writer on Poker News [1], this person is notable and passes GNG. I have also replaced the former unreliable sources with reliable sources. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 02:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources found by Valoem and 84.73.134.206. I also found that the subject was profiled in a book and other sources:
  1. Hoffman, Bobby (2015). Motivation for Learning and Performance. San Diego: Academic Press. p. 251. ISBN 0128011254. Retrieved 2017-07-31.

     The book notes:

     Motivational Leader—Alec Torelli
     
     On the surface, Alec Torelli seems just like any other friendly guy; he is bright, talkative, and sincere, with a cheery disposition and an affable approach to life’s challenges and obstacles. In other words, in many ways he exemplifies the type of person described by the “broaden and build” view of motivation. However, Alec Torelli is no “ordinary” guy. Hailing from Orange County, California, he attended Southern Methodist University, but at the age of only 19 years, he decided to change his life and pursue his dream of financial and personal independence by becoming a professional poker player.

     Alec has played over 2,000,000 hands of poker, winning tournaments around the world while cashed out at nine final tables, including twice at the World Series of Poker and twice at the World Poker Tournament. Today, he is considered a world-class poker champion, who, by age of 27 years, had collected over $3,000,000 in tournament winnings. Alec, however, is not like the slick, commercialized, and animated characters portrayed on television; instead, he is an anomaly—he does not play poker for fame or notoriety.

     Alec’s goals are far greater than being a top-notch player. For Alec success is not just about being a winner in poker but being a winner in life. Winning means feeling adequate, loved, healthy, and financially free to live the life he wants—a life filled with freedom, excitement, and choices. Alec craves the independence of being his own boss, free to follow his passions and dreams. At the apex of his poker career, when he was cashing in on every tournament, he had a catharsis; there is more to one’s success than what happens at the poker table.

     He took a hiatus from poker and started to work toward realizing some of his dreams. He gave speeches at universities, competed in an Olympic triathlon, visited 30 countries, learned Italian, trained in yoga in Bali, studied at the Gelato University, met his future wife, and began coaching other poker players. He now thrives on sharing what he has learned with others through his coaching activities, and ironically, helping others allowed Alec to increase his own motivation to play and challenge himself to reach new heights. He has been a coach for over 6 years now and is taking on bigger challenges every day, playing against the heavy hitters at Macau, China, where the best global contenders compete in the largest cash games on the planet.

     The author of the book is an Associate Professor in the School of Teaching, Learning & Leadership at the University of Central Florida (UCF) in Orlando, Florida. Although the content has a very positive tone, I could find no incentive for this professor to promote Alec Torelli, so I consider this source independent of the subject.
  2. Aller, Danny (October 2009). "The Brunson 10 (Duece)". Bluff. Archived from the original on 2017-08-01. Retrieved 2017-08-01.

     The article notes:

     The first player signed was Orange County, CA native Alec Torelli. Torelli is 22 and goes by the name “Traheho” online, though he will use “alectorelli” when The Brunson 10 becomes a reality the first of the year. Aside from having earnings of just over $2 million between online and live play since taking up the game six years ago, Torelli has already made two final tables on the World Poker Tour – the Bellagio Cup V in January earlier this year, finishing fourth for $271,000, and most recently the WPT stop in Bratislava, where he again finished fourth. He also won back-to-back events at the WPT’s Fiesta Al Lago stop last year for just over $200,000, and he’s even made a huge splash at the World Series of Poker the last two years, finishing second in the 2008 No Limit Hold‘em heads-up championship for $336,000 losing to poker superstar Kenny Tran), then final-tabling the prestigous $40,000 buy-in event at this year’s WSOP, where he finished sixth for $329,000.

     Brunson said he first met Torelli in the Bellagio’s famed “Bobby’s Room” one night after stumbling onto a game with some Chinese investors and finding they needed a fifth player. Coincidentally, Torelli just happened to be walking by whe Brunson suddenly called out to him.

  3. Kaplan, Michael (2015-11-06). "The Man with the $100,000 Breasts And Other Bets Gone Wild. Would you agree to get breast implants for $100,000? Vegas gambler Brian Zembic did". Maxim. Archived from the original on 2017-08-01. Retrieved 2017-08-01.

     The article notes:

     Other times, it’s a ballsy dare that involves potential pain and suffering. One year, during a poker tournament at Atlantis Resort & Casino in the Bahamas, a group of bored poker pros put up a stake for a guy to swim across a shark tank. Online poker legend Ilari “Zigmund” Shamies snorted rails of salt. Alec Torelli, another online poker wizard, stripped to his skivvies, swam across the water surrounding the Mirage’s famous volcano, and scaled the volcano. Torelli escaped with $1,000 earned, lost pride, and a gash on his foot.

     Once, the physically fit Torelli made a $200,000 bet with poker player Ashton Griffin: whoever finishes a triathlon in a shorter time takes the money. “Alec was training hard when Ashton went on a $1.5 million poker downswing,” remembers mutual friend Andrew Robl. “Suddenly the prop bet seemed less important to Ashton. He stopped training and bought out for $100,000. It was the easiest money that Alec has ever made.”

  The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline.

  Cunard (talk) 09:26, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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