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The result was move to draftspace, create redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series, and salt. Daniel (talk) 23:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Indianapolis 500[edit]

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See previous AfD in September which closed as making the article a redirect, only for the article to be recreated less than a fortnight later. Clearly still WP:TOOSOON, as very little of the article's current contents relate directly or specifically to the 2022 event rather than to the 2022 IndyCar Series (or apparently the 2021 IndyCar Series given the stuff about a test in October this year). Barring unforeseen disruption the race always takes place on the last Sunday of May at the same venue over the same distance, so none of the information about the event itself (rather than tests which happen to take place at the same venue) in the article is specific to this event. I considered requesting speedy deletion under WP:G4, but since the contents have changed compared with before that previous debate I decided that it is probably best to start a new discussion. Realistically I don't think this article needs to be created until April or early-May next year. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:01, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and protect until the 2022 season starts, completely agree with the nominator's rationale. There's nothing here about the 2022 event, just what happens every year. None of the sources in the article are anything more than routine and don't focus on the event specifically, meaning there is no significant coverage of the 2022 Indy 500 as yet. Googling for more shows up only primary sources, ticketing pages, and a handful of entry speculations which are coverage more of the drivers than they are of the event (and are routine either way). To quote myself from the first AfD:

The first criterion of CRYSTAL states quite clearly that the event must be notable and almost certain to take place. While the second condition is debatable (commenters above are speculating quite optimistically), the 2022 Indy 500 unambiguously fails WP:GNG.

The situation hasn't changed. Redirect again. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: to expand on my above !vote, and in anticipation of possible keep arguments, looking back at the previous AfD many keep !voters seemed happy to overlook the notability standards simply because the event was scheduled to take place. That is not a valid reason for inclusion per WP:CRYSTAL. To be kept, the event not only has to be almost certain to take place, but it must also have enough coverage to qualify for an article. If that coverage doesn't exist, then the subject doesn't get an article, because notability is not inherited. The 2022 Indy 500 must prove its notability on its own merits, it doesn't get an article 6 months in advance without any coverage just because it's an Indy 500. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and salt with a speedy close per previous AfD, as nothing has changed (if the previous discussion yeilded a delete consensus, CSD G4 would apply). I realise that this has content about a rookie test, but that (according to source 1) isn't Indy 500 specific, but rather a condition of competing in Indy car's oval races, and, therefore does not contribute to the event's notability. Therefore, the (lack) of coverage is the same and I see no reason for this to go another way to the previous AfD. I would also recommend WP:SALTing to prevent another creation. SSSB (talk) 10:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: I notice that the 2021 article was likewise created too early, but instead of being deleted, it was moved to draft space until sometime in January of that year, when more material for the article was available. Indyguy (talk) 17:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series; protect redirect; send content to Draftspace until first race of season at the earliest. WP:TOOSOON for this race to meet GNG. -^{"Ghost of Dan Gurney"} 17:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose/redirect: I am not as convinced that this article violates the spirit of the rule WP:CRYSTAL. As noted in (1.) there, "Preparation for the event" has already taken place. 2022 Indy 500 Rookie Orientation Program took place on October 8, 2021. That was not general IndyCar oval testing, or an extension of the 2021 season. According to this ARTICLE, is was specifically "...for the Indianapolis 500". Reliable sources including NBC Sports, Indianapolis Star , RACER mention the event in non-speculative fashion. The Official Site has it officially announced, a schedule for the month published, a unique annual logo created and released, and tickets on-sale. It is likely that news surrounding the 2022 race will probably be light until after the first of the year, but to take the firm stance that it is mere 'speculation' that the 2022 Indy 500 will occur is a bit of an extreme position.

For similar comparison, there exists articles for Super Bowl LVII, Super Bowl LVIII, and Super Bowl LIX. Those articles represent events that do not exist beyond having been announced and scheduled. It is appropriate to discuss WP:TOO SOON. If someone had started 2022 Indianapolis 500 the Monday morning after the 2021 race, I think all would agree that is "too soon". The 2021 IndyCar Series season is over, and in fact all major U.S. racing series have concluded their respective 2021 seasons. Since roughly 2007, it has been customary at Wikipedia to begin assembling the articles 20XX IndyCar Series and 20XX Indianapolis 500 at some point after the conclusion of the previous year's season; as the offseason is when news begins to go out about the upcoming season. There appears to be a similar rule of thumb used in other similar projects. For example, 2022 Major League Baseball season was created on a date near the end of the 2021 season. A sub-page of that same article (2022 Major League Baseball draft) is also up, and that doesn't even have a date or location assigned to it yet.

I oppose the speedy deletion. At the very most, 2022 Indianapolis 500 should be a redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series until the 2022 season begins, and be moved to draft space. Doctorindy↔Talk 17:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• To me that sounds like IndyCar editors need to reassess their publication schedule more than it sounds like we need to reconsider deletion. The season is notable, but given how light coverage is, I don't see why or how an article for the Indy 500 is being created before the season has yet started. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per consensus at first AFD. Semi-protect to prevent recreation.4meter4 (talk) 23:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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