Captain Occam
[edit]I have indefinitely blocked Captain Occam (talk · contribs · count) with email disabled as a standard admin action per the emerging consensus here that his actions both on-wiki and his use of the Wikipedia email feature were inappropriate, and that as such, an indefinite block was necessary. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Captain Occam[edit]
I cannot supply many diffs, because this complaint concerns Captain Occam using the Wikipedia-provided e-mail service to contact me in violation of his topic ban against Race and intelligence. The timeline:
I've been here for over 12 1/2 years now, and I've managed to avoid filing an AE complaint, or being the subject of one. I guess there's always going to be a first time. Obviously, my complaint against Captain Occam hinges completely on whether his use of the Wikipedia-provided e-mail system to discuss Race and intelligence, a subject he is topic banned from, in an unsolicited e-mail to an editor he considers to be an antagonist [3], is a violation of his topic ban or not. My contention is this: I provide my e-mail to the Wikipedia system in order to facilitate communication to me from editors that would be better off not spread out publicly on Wikipedia, but one can only get to me at that specific e-mail address by way of the Wikipedia system. Therefore, it is part and parcel of the Wikipedia system, and Captain Occam's use of it to discuss Race and intelligence with someone he should have know would be an unwilling recipient of his message is perforce a violation of his topic ban. His then continued use of the email system to contact me after I had specifically told him not to do so again, is also a direct violation of my right of privacy. Captain Occam has no inherent right to write, talk, whisper, sing, or emote at me through a private e-mail gateway once he has been told by me not to do so. If he had my personal e-mail address, I couldn't stop him from using the (quasi-)public Internet to do so, but since the only way he could contact me was through Wikipedia's e-mail system, Wikipedia is responsible for the proper regulation of that system, and to see that it is not being misused. In this case, since the topic ban in question was related to an Arbitration case that resulted in a site banning, and then an unbanning, AE is the proper authority to decide whether there has been a violation. In my view, the first proper remedy in this situation is to cut off Captain Occam's access to e-mail. Further, I would argue that his topic ban's statement "If he behaves disruptively in any discussion, any uninvolved administrator may ban him from further participation in that discussion", which does not in any way specify where the discussion might take place, is pertinent to his unsolicited "discussion" with me via e-mail, regardless of the faux politeness of his response on his talk page. I suggest that in regard to this portion of his topic ban, he be re-blocked for a substantial period of time, considering that his unbanning was conditional on good behavior.
Discussion concerning Captain Occam[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Captain Occam[edit]I sent Beyond My Ken e-mail a few hours ago expressing concern about him showing what appears to be a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude. In retrospect I suppose that doing so was a mistake, but his threat to go to ArbCom over it seemed so ridiculous that I didn't think he was serious about it. I'm willing to describe the contents of my e-mail, but only with AE's permission, since it involves an article from which I'm topic banned, and I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to discuss that here. I also should note that the Wikipedia e-mail function has a feature to block e-mail from specific users, which Beyond my Ken appears to have not used. If he really cared about not receiving e-mail from me, blocking me from sending him e-mail would have been a much easier solution than reporting me at AE. The background of this situation is a trio of edits that Beyond My Ken made directed against me shortly after I was unbanned. [12] [13] [14] (Note that I am not, in fact, a creationist.) These edits are what initially made me concerned about his attitude, and how his attitude potentially affects other editors. I e-mailed BMK because I was concerned about his behavior towards user:Deleet, who is currently helping me with a separate on-Wiki project related to the measurement of personality and intelligence in general (but not to the R&I topic). It will be a loss for Deleet's and my collaboration if Deleet eventually quits Wikipedia out of frustration, which is something I've seen happen to other editors as a consequences of their bad experiences on R&I articles. In general, BMK's reaction to my e-mail is confirming my concerns. In his response here, he referred to me as a "massive discredit to Wikipedia" and a "son of a bitch". I have no intention to participate in articles related to race and intelligence as long as my topic ban is in effect. However, it's happened in the past that the toxic editing environment on those articles has spilled over into other areas, and this is a situation where that outcome has the potential to affect an area that I'm currently involved in. My understanding is that if an area I'm currently editing is potentially affected by a situation on an article from which I'm topic banned, trying to resolve the situation by e-mail is the correct course of action. I've e-mailed ArbCom about these sorts of issues arising from the R&I topic a few times since my unban, and they've consistently indicated that I was allowed to do so. If there is anything AE admins can do to address the more general issue of the battleground environment surrounding this topic, to which I think Beyond my Ken is contributing, I'd appreciate that. --Captain Occam (talk) 06:00, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Response to Maunus[edit]ArbCom has been very clear what the scope of the "race and intelligence" topic is. As per this motion, it is defined as "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed". Arguing that my topic ban covers all individual differences in psychological traits, even when they have nothing to do with race, is interpreting this topic area far more broadly than how ArbCom interprets it. I also should note that until my topic ban is lifted, I intend to limit my involvement in the task force to organizational tasks such as making sure the templates work properly--I don't intend to make any substantive edits to the articles themselves. --Captain Occam (talk) 08:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Responses to Sandstein[edit]@Sandstein: Could you please address my point about how ArbCom has defined the scope of the "race and intelligence" topic area? As I pointed out to Maunus above, they have defined it as "the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, broadly construed". I haven't read Oliver James' book, so I don't know whether it discusses race or not, but race also isn't mentioned in any of the reviews of his book that I've read (for example: [15] [16]). I am skeptical of Maunus's claim that this book "features the race and iq question prominently". If it does, why is that not mentioned in either of these reviews? If AE wishes for me to avoid editing anything related to the heritability of psychological traits in general, I'll follow that restiction, but I don't believe that my topic ban as it currently stands applies to the heritability of psychological traits if race isn't involved. This distinction isn't splitting hairs--there is something like ten times more research (and coverage at Wikipedia) about genes and psychology in general than there is about group differences. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: Can you accept that I honestly believed the scope of my topic ban to be the same set of articles that are covered by discretionary sanctions? I think this would be a natural thing for most editors to assume, whether it's correct or not. If in your view this assumption was incorrect, and you close this report with a warning for me, I'll avoid all articles related to the heritability of psychological traits for as long as my topic ban remains in effect. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:37, 3 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: and @GoldenRing: I've just remembered one other important line of evidence about how ArbCom interprets the scope of the R&I topic bans. In September 2016 user:Ferahgo_the_Assassin, who is covered by the same topic ban as me due to our history of sharing an IP address, appealed a set of additional editing restrictions she was under. In her request, she stated that if these restrictions were lifted she intended to edit the mental chronometry article, which is a topic related to the measurement of intelligence. (There also is a fair amount of research about mental chronometry and genetics, although the article doesn't currently mention that.) So ArbCom was fully aware that Ferahgo intended to edit this article if her additional restrictions were lifted, but they still granted her appeal. This decision doesn't seem consistent with your view that topic bans from the R&I topic extend to articles about the measurement and genetics of intelligence in general. If ArbCom intended the scope of R&I topic bans to be that broad, then they would have considered the mental chronometry article to be within the scope of Ferahgo's topic ban, and would have either denied her appeal, or at least granted it with the instruction to not edit that article. (They didn't give her any such instruction.) --Captain Occam (talk) 13:27, 3 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: @GoldenRing: For the record, my contacting of other editors who I thought would be interested in joining the task force was something suggested to me by Everymorning. [17] However, I don't blame Everymorning for my making this mistake; I should have realized that my doing this would look like canvassing. Whether I get blocked or not, I'll be more careful in the future to abide by the spirit of my topic ban, rather than just the letter of the law. --Captain Occam (talk) 15:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Maunus[edit]I have been subjected to the same type of attempts to influence my editing in the R&I topic area in the period before Captain Occam's ban was lifted. Here he also used an odd combination on flattery and thinly veiled threats to attempt to make me try to reverse edits he disliked. He implied that he had been instrumental in influencing the process that lead to the banning of Mathsci, and that he could do the same to me or other editors that he didn't find to be "reasonable". It seems to be the same kind of implied threat he uses when he tells BeyondMyKen that "it is about time Arbcom takes a look at your behavior". Captain Occam has neither been willing or able to leave the R&I topic area but monitors it regularly and writes about it off-wiki, in what could be seen as attempts at canvassing. Occam has himself published part of an email he sent to me in an off-wiki forum, for which reason I also would not mind sending the email to arbitrators as evidence. It seems very odd to me to enact a topic ban, but not react to evidence of off-wiki attempts to influence wikipedia's coverage of that topic. It seems even odder to allow a topic banned user to use wikipedia's email system to influence other users' edits in the topic area.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 07:54, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Johnuniq[edit]
I have not looked at Captain Occam's psychometrics edits but that topic is part of the race and intelligence battle which focused on differences in the IQ scores achieved by people from various "races". For example, consider this July 2010 permalink which included:
Johnuniq (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by EdChem[edit]Sandstein, Captain Occam is most definitely still under a topic ban that was imposed as a condition of unbanning on 1 January 2017. Here is the WP:ACN notification of the conditions and here is the related WT:ACN discussion. For the record, I share the concerns about Captain Occam editing on psychometrics when that area has been an integral part of R&I discussions / debates. I also note that, whether the use of email was explicitly prohibited or not, Captain Occam using emails to discuss the R&I area with WP editors and potentially seeking to influence content is very much something that a topic ban should be preventing. EdChem (talk) 11:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC) Further thoughts... I agree with Mastcell and others that this situation is more serious than is reflected in the AE-authorised actions. I think a discussion is needed where the AE-allowed actions are considered, but not as the only options. I ask that no one take action and close this report before consideration is given to moving the discussion to ARCA or AN. ArbCom could re-impose the site ban or tailor other restrictions which it sees as a fit response to canvassing / lobbying via email near to / in the R&I area. Alternatively, the community could ban or place restrictions in line with consensus. A discussion lacking consensus would not preclude an AE action, but if a site ban is seen by others as a reasonable response then CO should have the opportunity to participate in the discussion. EdChem (talk) 05:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Everymorning[edit]I also have received numerous emails from Captain Occam recently regarding intelligence, most of which I have replied to myself. The gist of these emails (the first of which I received on March 15) was that Captain Occam wanted me to start a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychology dedicated to intelligence, which I thought was a good idea; as a result, I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychology/Psychometrics task force. As it happens, the issue of whether Captain Occam might be violating his topic ban in doing any of this was raised by me in an email I sent him in which I wrote "Not that you can join [the task force] anyway of course since youve been topic banned." to which he replied, "I'm allowed to edit pages that are about human intelligence in general, I just can't edit them if they're about race differences. I probably will be joining the psychometrics task force eventually, but I'll have to limit my involvement to aspects of the task force that aren't covered by my topic ban." In short, I was aware he had been topic banned from race/intelligence but also thought he was avoiding such topics to the extent that it was necessary to avoid violating his topic ban. Every morning (there's a halo...) 13:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by rvcx[edit]Despite not editing in close to a decade, I also received an email from Captain Occam asking me to "help improve Wikipedia's articles related to personality and intelligence". I've given up trying to understand WP's rules, but going off-wiki to recruit a strike force to outnumber people you disagree with seems more than a little shady, even if the target weren't an area you were banned from. This isn't the first time Captain Occam has asked me off-wiki to publicly support him on the pretence that it was my own independent idea. Rvcx (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by RegentsPark[edit]Attempting to influence the on-wiki editing in an area from which they are banned should be construed as a violation of that ban. Whether that influence was applied on-wiki or off-wiki. Also, doesn't "broadly construed" mean no edits on race AND no edits in the area of intelligence? --regentspark (comment) 15:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Result concerning Captain Occam[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Roxy the dog
[edit]Block lifted by MastCell. Sandstein 08:47, 5 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Roxy the dog[edit]No explanation for the block has been provided, I have done nothing wrong. Roxy, the dog. barcus 13:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC) After a request for explanation following the block, John said it was for edit-warring at Ayurveda. A casual glance at the page history will show this is not true. -Roxy, the dog. barcus 13:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC) [22]
Statement by John[edit]Gosh, we're going back a few years with this one! It's a long story; I'll limit myself to some key data points.
I can only apologise for omitting the block reason in the block notice. In the circumstances it must have seemed obvious that the complainant was consciously trying out the limits. I absolutely stand by the block. --John (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Capitals00[edit]Roxy the Dog got blocked after I had reported about his disruption to John[23], the report said:
You can observe that I had pinged RtD in my comment, he was aware of it. This page has discretionary sanctions and RtD has intentionally violated 3rd point ("Any major changes to the article must be agreed here in talk beforehand.") of the sanction at least 3 times with these 3 reverts that he made. Even if we agree that he did no edit warring, he still violated the sanction, noting that you are not allowed to make disputed edits without gaining consensus. RtD made only 1 small comment on talk page throughout these reverts, and his comment[27] indicates that he was reverting only for fun. Though I had removed the report from talk page since I had already requested page protection,[28] but RTD reached to WP:RFPP after that and there he said that "Except that the content is badly sourced, and many shitty admin sanctions are already in place, no more are needed. In fact ..."[29] It is not only a battle ground mentality but clear misrepresentation of situation, despite Roxy the dog had been restoring an edit that has too many problem, not only it removes reliably sourced information standing for over 5 years but it is using sources that makes no mention of Ayurveda. Recommend declining this appeal or just extend the sanction, given RtD's total failure to recognize the problems he is causing, continued WP:GAMING,[30] and also for making unfounded allegations of ulterior motives on John. Capitals00 (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Roxy the dog[edit]
Result of the appeal by Roxy the dog[edit]
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Nishidani
[edit]No action taken. I remind Nishidani and יניב הורון to keep calm and remember that talk pages are not to be used as a forum for one's general views about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its actors. Sandstein 11:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Nishidani[edit]
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, specifically Decorum and Editors reminded.
Nishidani received an indef topic ban in the first Arbcom PIA ruling for "repeated and extensive edit-warring, as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith". A couple of years later the topic ban was lifted, under the assumption future such behavior will be dealt with on this board. See [57]. Since then he has been reported here literally dozens of times for the exact same behavior. In the first diff above, he tells an editor he is "spout[ing] nonsense" which is a clear personal attack. He then goes on to say that the other editor is a "beneficiary" of "misappropriation of US taxpayer funds" by a "elephantine wastrel sponger", based solely on the other editor's nationality, personalizing their dispute. By the way, does BLP apply to editors? If yes I'd say calling someone the beneficiary of misappropriated funds is probably a BLP violation as well. In the second diff he says an editor has a "conflict of interest" because of his nationality, and he can't judge if the other editor is acting neutrally based on this alleged conflict of interest and then goes on to say that Zionism is "all about" "Israel's right to be uniquely exempt from standard norms or judgements" as the motivation for other editors' arguments. A longer topic ban than last time (less than a year ago) seem to be appropriate.
Here's another one from an article that popped into my watchlist - I see the inevitable POV eraser Shrike has just struck again, without a rational thought. I assume calling someone a @Dan Murphy, only problem is that he wasn't responding to that, he was responding to this. You can tell not only by the indentation, but also by how he mimics the other editor's language, the argument that was "copy and pasted" was that the protests are a cover for terrorist attacks, and then he focused on the money issue. All direct responses to the post I mentioned as part of this complaint, not the one you posted below. I thought this was obvious but apparently not. I hope the admins who commented below are reading this and will reconsider. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2018 (UTC) @Lankiveil, FWIW I have no problem deferring this until Nishidani returns to editing and/or makes what he considers a complete response to the complaint, as long as nobody argues any relevant information became "stale" from the delay. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 05:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC) @GoldenRing:, I'm sorry, but your analysis is flawed. The sequence of events is as follows (see: [58])
Discussion concerning Nishidani[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Nishidani[edit]I am bedridden with a fractured vertebra (I can get a nephew to scan the hospital docs if scepticism prevails) and will be so till May2. If Bishonen's close reading is not convincing nor my insisting my words be Unhockey are fair since it is a specific instance of a general rule I won't ask for a postponement until I can argue my defense. My point is, no admin who lives in one of two countries that are in bitter ethnic dispute should intervene in any way, especially over names, where edit-warring occurs, in such a way that gives the appearance of partisanship. Nothing personal. I will always view that as improper whatever the conflict area. I only noticed this because I asked my niece to check my internet page today, and I am writing it on her tablet, in my bedroom, which is not in sending mode except upstairs in my study where I hopre my wife can take this, and press the right tabs (she is computer-illiterate) Please don't take the above as a sympathy pitch. and no enmity if admins think I stepped overboard. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Huldra[edit]Removed as an admin action – discussion about content not pertinent to this thread about user conduct. Sandstein 16:23, 4 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Sir Joseph[edit]Nishidani has been warned time and time again that his uncivil posts are not tolerated here, yet he continues. He makes a statement about an admin, and others merely for being pro-Israel, or Israeli or whatever, as if that means they can't edit here, yet does he do the same for admin Zero? There are plenty of people on "his side" of the debate that edit in a polite and civil manner. We don't need someone stoking the flames with almost all of their posts in the area. He has also been warned that his behavior needs to stop and I do think action should be taken. Sir Joseph (talk) 02:53, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Result concerning Nishidani[edit]
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R9tgokunks
[edit]R9tgokunks is now fully aware of the editing restrictions existing in this area and is expected to edit accordingly. --NeilN talk to me 04:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning R9tgokunks[edit]
The sequence above has two forbidden reverts per ARBPIA 1RR - the first an "original authorship" violation (which is, perhaps, a finer policy point), the second is a plain simple revert - a straight up violation, coupled with a problematical edit summary. There are also decorum/civility issues with the response. Yigael Yadin - a Haganah military leader and chief of staff of the IDF (active 1932-52 - through much of the early conflict) is clearly ARBPIA related. Also relevant, a prior 1RR incident. The 1RR may not be sanctionable as done immediately prior to the DS alert, however the user's response to the DS alert and request to self-revert are relevant regarding decorum and civility (and would fall under the DS regime as it is after the alert):
18:08, 29 March 2018 - DS alert.
As I was accused of wiki hounding (even though my interaction with this user has been quite limited) and since this is relevant to the nature of the edits here, I got to these articles following a NPOV/n post by R9tgokunks. I was particularly concerned by this diff in which Haifa was incorrectly described as Palestinian territories (it was part of Mandatory Palestine - however never part of the West Bank or Gaza!), which R9tgokunks described as non-neutral (saying that the redaction of Palestinian territories was incorrect). This led me into some of these pages (e.g. Ireland–Israel relations). As the 1RR restriction was applied directly by the Arbitration Committee it is not subject to the special awareness criteria for page-level sanctions. In any event, the user was amply notified by a request on their talk-page.
Discussion concerning R9tgokunks[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by R9tgokunks[edit]It is highly inappropriate and misleading that user is trying to bring up numerous edits I made BEFORE being privy to sanctions on the two articles. This whole thing stems from there there were not being notices of sanctions on the articles when I edited them. I was also mostly unaware/unclear on sanctions to articles on the A-I conflict. I am still unclear why they apply to Ireland-Israel relations, the first one I was warned about. I also had no idea the closeness of Yigael Yadin to the A-I conflict/sanctions.
I have not edited Israel-related articles since then; 2 days ago; and Icewhiz has not taken part in discussion on my TP that was started yesterday, where @Bellezzasolo: has been attempting to mediate. Icewhiz also claims to have had "minimal interaction" with me. This is false. In the past week he has reverted at least 4 of my edits on at least 3 articles (1, 2, 3) & commented on post I made to NPOV noticeboard and ANI, as well as leaving 3 TP messages and filing this report. It was accused in private emails to myself from 2 other users who saw my ANI post that they believe user has a history of wikihounding, and POV-based editing, so I backed off and decided not to deal with the user as much as I could, aside from my talk page. (I have tried to make all afforementioned edits to these articles per this incident in which an IP made clearly biased edits. After this, Icewhiz seemed to patrol my edits on Israel topics, which I felt was intimidating. I complained about this at above ANI post, but retracted complaint within 1-2 hours, right after recieving the emails.) I'm Jewish, but my goal was/is truth/removing POV and adding facts. For instance, Cakerzing reverted this because IP was making other disruptions. But I did research and found IP was right. I amendened it, and Icewhiz somehow disagreed, which removed a fact from the article. I reverted & assumed it was a "test" per WP:Assumegoodfaith, which I have increasingly tried hard to do with this user. I did not look into the subject of the article so I didn't know Yadin was closely associated with the conflict. All I looked to do was include the fact that he was born in the Ottoman Empire. Also, I felt that the first instance of warning me for my reversions of the IP + Icewhiz's addition of the unencyclopedic WP:WEASELWORD "alleged" here was unwarranted. My additional rationale was that the content dealt with had nothing explicitly to do with the A-I conflict, but Israel-Ireland. I assumed user was initially giving a false warning. It wasnt until my second complaint about User, after the edits that other users started to actually clarify to me more in depth, and that I was able to fully understand the sanctions rulings more clearly. I have not edited on those articles since then out of trying to adhere to this, but also out of lack of wanting confrontation and fear that User will try to continue to to incorrectly single out my edits as malicious. Now I will be avoiding the content pretty much entirely. I didn't understand fully at first, but now that it has been clarified to me, I assume 1RR on any article on Israel per the feedback & sanctions, which I have ceased editing as of 2 days ago. R9tgokunks ✡ 22:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Bellezzasolo[edit]I've been trying to mediate this dispute on R9tgokunks' talk page. My understanding of the issue is a disagreement on the meaning of this amendment. Icewhiz understands it as not appertaining to restrictions directly imposed by ARBCOM, R9tgokunks is expecting an edit notice on pages under sanctions. Per WP:ACDS#Authorisation, my understanding of this amendment is that an edit notice must be placed, however that is only my personal interpretation- clearly there is some confusion on the matter. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 11:13, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Capitals00[edit]Reverting constructive edit as "test edit",[66] is clearly misleading. Capitals00 (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Cbs527[edit]It doesn't appear this is a enforceable offense. There shouldn't be any confusion - Arab-Israeli conflict-related pages fall under standard discretionary sanctions. "Palestine-Israel articles - Standard discretionary sanctions". The 1RR restriction stated in the complaint was an amendment to this sanction.
There was not a (ds/editnotice) on the page at the time of the 1RR violation which is required before sanctions can be issued. WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts clearly states in addition to editor receiving an alert "There are additional requirements in place when sanctioning editors for breaching page restrictions." The "additional requirements" links to the requirement for the (ds/editnotice) WP:AC/DS#Page restrictions.
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning R9tgokunks[edit]
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VendixDM
[edit]Blocked 72 hours. --NeilN talk to me 04:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Discussion concerning VendixDM[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by VendixDM[edit]Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning VendixDM[edit]
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Neilen
[edit]Neilen is indefinitely topic banned from post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Violating 1RR on multiple pages with DS after being alerted to said DS.
Discussion concerning Neilen[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Neilen[edit]Apologize for the minor edits. Wasn't doing it on purpose, didn't know I was doing anything wrong. Now that I know what to mark as minor and what not I will be more careful. As far as my other edits not sure what the problem is or why I'm being reported here by Evergreen. Everything I added was in good faith, and also RS. Neilen (talk) 01:22, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
NeilN you can check all of my edits to confirm the user below (O3000) is making false claims. Never claimed to know the "truth" about anything. Simply trying to contribute to Wikipedia. Not sure why users are complaining about me here, seems to be some sort of witch-hunt atmosphere. Neilen (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by Objective3000[edit]I'm involved. Was just about to file this myself. Editor refuses to take to Talk after many requests. Numerous 1RR vios. There are additional vios at James Comey. Editor appears to know the "truth", to which I am not privy. O3000 (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Valeyard[edit]
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Neilen[edit]
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Niteshift36
[edit]No violation. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 05:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Niteshift36[edit]
From what I've read of Niteshift36's behavior, I could argue that he should be permanently topic banned. But let's keep it simple this time: Please give him a slap on the wrist, and tell him to stop chasing away editors with whom he disagrees. Reading Niteshift36's response, it appears he's set on counterpunching without providing the necessary diffs. I'm not going to defend myself against groundless complaints, not am I going to turn this into a boomerang game. So I'll go on record that I will be willing to subject myself to the same sanctions that are placed on Niteshift36 in this matter, irrespective of whether I've done anything wrong. Cinteotl (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC) Let me clarify that my concerns regarding incivility are secondary to my concerns regarding other more objective violations of WP policies. Update: I asked Niteshift36 a fourth time for a reliable source which ranks the deadliest mass shootings. 12:56 6 April 1918, and finally, he proffered a source (CNN), but not a citation. This might not seem significant, except that CNN does not publish the information in question. In the above diff, when explaining how he/we could add our own rankings (something that should raise alarms about original research), Niteshift36 referred to this CNN article [77], saying "we could use the CNN listing as the basis to start with." So, there is no doubt that Niteshift36 knows that CNN isn't a source for ranking information, and isn't a responsive answer to my question. The following facts are indisputible: I asked Niteshift36 at least 4 times to provide a reliable source for rankings of the deadliest mass shootings, in support of content he is seeking to include in the Mass shootings in the United States article. He has, to this moment, not not provided a responsive answer.
GoldenRing - Please do me the courtesy of properly citing and explaining any concerns you may have with my conduct, so I have the ability to respond in a meaningful way. Cinteotl (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Usr Notified 02:47 6 April 2018
Discussion concerning Niteshift36[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Niteshift36[edit]The reporting editor has been intentionally obstructive in this particular article. While he alleges a PA here [81], Cinteotl has been arguing in another thread that putting things in numerical order is "synth", then favors creating an addition to the table that has us adding numbers. I pointed out the inconsistency in that position. In his second example [82], he has repeatedly refused to address the simple point that putting numbers in order (or letters in alphabetical order) is not SYNTH. Another editor has even told him that's not an incorrect position, yet he repeatedly makes the same response. Was I getting irritated with it? Yes. Is in "incivility"? Probably not. And I've certainly been working towards a solution. In his third example [83], Cinteotl engages in a little "not the full story". He posts an exchange from 2 days ago, claiming that it is failing to work towards a solution. What he fails to add is that the next day, a very workable solution was presented [84]. This same editor has cast aspersions about advocacy. In short, some of the exchanges may have been terse, but there's no refusal to work towards a solution. Despite his assertion, I've been involved in a number of discussions that resulted in successful conclusions.Niteshift36 (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Dr. Fleischman[edit]
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Niteshift36[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by iantresman
[edit]Appeal is declined. There is not a clear and substantial consensus to overturn the sanction. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:04, 13 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by iantresman[edit]I would like my topic banned to be considered for lifting. Since my ban in 2012:
Since my time as a Wiki editor
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Statement by Timotheus Canens[edit]I'm not inclined to lift this topic ban. As Sandstein explained, the appeal does not indicate that [Iantresman] recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why, and how he would now edit differently. Given the lengthy history of fringe/pseudoscience-related sanctions here, I'd want to see an exceedingly persuasive demonstration that the concerns leading to the ban will not recur. This appeal falls far short. To the extent that the appeal is based on trouble-free editing, it resembles the October 2012 ARCA request that led to the topic ban being lifted, and we know how that one turned out (note that this topic ban was also reviewed at ARCA immediately after it was imposed). Not that the editing was entirely trouble-free: I recall at least one appeal to me that I declined after finding topic-ban violating edits, and a search of the AE archives showed at least one other instance of topic ban violation for which they were cautioned; while these are relatively minor, the failure to mention them - and the carefully chosen "penalty-free" wording - do not really inspire confidence. In a similar vein, the appeal also contains a rather misleading and incomplete characterization of the CSN discussion that led to the original ban: that discussion was kept open for a substantial period of time after the block took place, and an appeal was rejected by the 2007 arbcom with full knowledge of the identity of the "Mainstream astronomy" account. T. Canens (talk) 00:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by iantresman[edit]Of course iantresman has not indicated that he recognizes that his editing at the time was problematic, and why; he doesn't think the ban was a good ban in the first place. When he asked for it to be lifted on those grounds, he was told to go away and that what the committee would really like to see is an appeal on the grounds that the ban is not presently necessary, with none of this stuff about contesting the original merit of an ancient sanction. Now he's back with the requested evidence and his appeal is being attacked because... it's too focused on trying to say the ban isn't presently necessary, and doesn't spend enough time addressing the original merit of the ancient sanction. I know there's no overlap between the individual arbs commenting on the two appeals, but iantresman is really getting the runaround here. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 19:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC) Result of the appeal by iantresman[edit]
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Dagduba lokhande
[edit]Blocked for one week with a warning that future violations may lead to an indefinite block --regentspark (comment) 19:02, 16 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Dagduba lokhande[edit]
I don't believe that he understands he is topic banned, despite having been told too clearly. Capitals00 (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2018 (UTC) Diff of topic ban notification and log entry added above now. Capitals00 (talk) 17:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC) @RegentsPark and SpacemanSpiff: Given that he edited nearly 45 days after his block on 26 February and he did nothing but violate his topic ban, it seems that one week block won't do anything because whenever Dagduba lokhande returns to Wikipedia, he violates his topic ban despite it has been clarified to him very clearly. His talk page messages show he is capable of understanding what is being told to him[125], yet he continues to intentionally violate topic ban. Just like the recent block on संदेश हिवाळे, I believe Dagduba lokhande should be indeffed too. Capitals00 (talk) 14:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Dagduba lokhande[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Dagduba lokhande[edit]Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Dagduba lokhande[edit]
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Scjessey
[edit]No Action Spartaz Humbug! 11:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Scjessey[edit]
I ran across this edit war somewhat in progress. Several editors were tag-teaming with an aggressive IP user (who has already been blocked), but I identify Scjessey as a particularly aggressive participant who exacerbated the edit war and repeatedly reinserted challenged material. I attempted to quell the situation by adding three additional sources and removing all the contentious language that these sources didn't all agree on, and noted this on the talk page as a way to deescalate the edit war. I also contacted Scjessey on his talk page. After a short break, today Scjessey removed our discussion on his talk page, calling it "BS". He then edited the article to remove the additional sources and restore the contentious labeling. This last revert, in particular since it removes the three additional sources, demonstrates that Scjessey is not interested in presenting this item in a WP:VERIFIABLE nor WP:NPOV manner (aka cherry-picking). His edit summary, claiming to be putting back a "consensus text" demonstrates that he sees consensus not as a process, but as the result of having a simple numbers advantage in an edit war. His follow-up Talk: page comment "It is important that we include this context (emphasis his) demonstrates that he sees this action more as a crusade to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. -- Netoholic @ 18:51, 16 April 2018 (UTC) As to Scjessey's claim below of not knowing this article was under the broad discretionary sanctions which apply to all post-1932 American politics, I find that groundless. His previous report against another user was within that area, and he certainly cannot claim to not be aware as his previous block was within this area also. I reminded him about the discretionary sanctions in our Talk: page conversation also. I think that he is trying to skirt his poor behavior by feigning ignorance is, frankly, insulting to this forum and to anyone involved. He has also just now taken to the article's talk page, seemingly just to notify the other participants in this edit war of this enforcement request. -- Netoholic @ 00:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Added: Starting his statement below with "Sigh" continues the trend of not treating this process with the due care and respect it deserves. Nothing about his statement indicates genuine acknowledgement of the problem and gives me no confidence his actions will change. -- Netoholic @ 00:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @MrX: - the article itself has not special restrictions, but all editors are bound by the general expectations listed under Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors, which include the requirement to comply with Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. The chief complaints in this request are failure to adhere to policies WP:VERIFIABLE, WP:UNDUE, WP:NPOV, Wikipedia:Edit warring, and Wikipedia:Disruptive editing (RIGHTGREATWRONGS). -- Netoholic @ 00:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Scjessey and MrX (who also participated in this edit war) have asked about "boomeranging". My response is that I have made only 2 changes to the article - one to remove a section of a sentence that contained phrasing which was the direct cause of an active edit war, and the second was to remove the entire line to put the article back to a pre-edit war consensus version prior to its recent inclusion. I am not involved in this edit war in any way other than to see it end. I feel like asking for a "boomerang" on such flimsy reasoning is itself gaming the system, which also goes against Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors. -- Netoholic @ 00:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC) Scjessey has doubled-down on his claim of lack of awareness, but on 29 March 2018, he removed a standard DS notice from another involved user's talk page which reads "the Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people". He is well aware that any edits in this area are applicable under DS. More gaming and obfuscation. -- Netoholic @ 01:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: - I don't believe its possible for Scjessey to have "recognized that they acted improperly" when he several times in his responses here has lied (laughably, provably) about not knowing this topic was under general discretionary sanctions. Even if you disagree, the only recognition he's given us for his actions is "my bad". Nothing he's said has given any indication that this is unlikely to happen again. -- Netoholic @ 06:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC) SPECIFICO has joined us asking why I "popped up here", but let's instead look at how he did. Scjessey contacted SPECIFICO on his talk page at 10:34, 13 April 2018. SPECIFICO had never before edit this article, but did so at 13:03 and then got involved in the talk page starting at 09:133 14 April. SPECIFICO should have recused himself from the discussion, since he was canvassed, but his involvement on that article and now this AE are the result of WP:Canvassing by Scjessey - another example of poor conduct that Scjessey has exhibited in this topic area. -- Netoholic @ 21:03, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Bishonen: - While the prior block may or may not be applicable towards escalating action against Scjessey, it is certainly one of many things I've linked here which prove that Scjessey was aware that edits related to Trump are within the general discretionary sanctions provisions. Scjessey noted this himself even as he resumed the edit warring. If you still feel he was unaware, I will be happy to go thru this and more evidence point by point, but I've already provided at least 5 solid instances within the last couple of months that show he must be aware. -- Netoholic @ 02:01, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Scjessey[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Scjessey[edit]Sigh. To be honest, I did not realize the article in question was under Arbcom restrictions until I noted so here. My bad. I own that, and if administrators believe a sanction is warranted, I will not complain. Prior to that, I made edits consistent with what I believe were appropriate, and I did not violate 3RR (although it is hard to see from the incorrectly formatted diffs above). I explained myself by creating a talk page section (diff) and discussing it with other editors, most of whom agreed with my rationale either explicitly, or in the form of affirming edits to the article. I even checked myself with another editor (diff) to make sure I wasn't on the wrong track. A consensus has formed around this version of the text, with the only dissent coming from the editor with the creative revisionism presented above. I don't have much else to say, other than it wouldn't surprise me if the reporting editor got whacked with the proverbial boomerang. -- Scjessey (talk) 23:47, 16 April 2018 (UTC) @MrX: I noticed it has a little warning template at the top of the talk page that says:
It does not, however, have the "WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES" I would normally look out for. That is why I did not realize until later that the article (or perhaps parts of the article?) was included. I did not think to check the DSLOG. Thank you for giving a better explanation of the circumstances than I could. -- Scjessey (talk) 01:29, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Netoholic: Just to clarify, the "previous sanction" of mine you highlighted was given to me erroneously, which is why it was struck from the record. Also, it appears I haven't actually violated anything (at least, not to the letter of the policy), but I commend you on your industrious effort to comb through my contributions and look for anything you can bring up here to reinforce your revisionist narrative. I'm still clear as to why you have chosen to go on this fruitless crusade, when surely your best strategy was to start an RfC on the content in question? -- Scjessey (talk) 14:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC) @Sandstein: You refer to my "substantial edit warring" in your comment below, but I don't believe it is a fair categorization. At no time did I violate WP:3RR. The incorrectly formatted diffs presented by the reporting editor make it difficult to follow, so I present annotated diffs of ALL my reversions over the five day period to that article with dates and times:
Certainly an argument can be made for a violation of WP:1RR, but the article wasn't (and still isn't) under that restriction. -- Scjessey (talk) 10:40, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by MrX[edit]Scjessey has not violated any editing restriction nor is his conduct violative of the principles or finding of the underlying Arbcom case. Contrarily, Netoholic has edited against consensus, and failed to accept a clear consensus established on the talk page. (See recent article history and recent talk page history). Netoholic is the only editor arguing to omit material, against four editors arguing to include it. That is, if you discount the IP sock who uses web host proxies to avoid scrutiny. Boomerang? - MrX 🖋 23:55, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Statement by SPECIFICO[edit]The edit-warring IP was banned. There's clear consensus in support of Scjessey's edits among the editors on the article and talk page. There were no page restrictions in effect. The accuser, Netoholic has aggressively edited against consensus with absurd justifications that have been patiently refuted by the other editors on the talk page. He then launched into various forms of personal disparagement culminating with this defective AE complaint. Not sure why he even popped up at this, of all articles. As MrX states, a boomerang is in order for this extreme and entirely unjustified escalation against Scjessey. SPECIFICO talk 18:56, 17 April 2018 (UTC) I was not "canvassed" to the article. I was asked neutrally to take a look and I made an edit unrelated to the bit that Netoholic is edit-warring. SPECIFICO talk 00:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC) After it was clear Netoholic was a single editor against a consensus of 6 others, none of the six escalated by preemptively reinstating the consensus content. It was patiently suggested to Netoholic that his best recourse was an RfC. Instead he chose personal attacks, this bogus AE report on a page that had no DS page restriction, and misrepresentation of Scjessey's record and actions. SPECIFICO talk 02:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Scjessey[edit]
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Js82
[edit]Not something for AE, no violation of any applicable sanction. User has been issued a garden variety block for unrelated reasons.—SpacemanSpiff 23:32, 18 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Despite objections from at least 4 editors towards his version that includes quote farming, he claims "I have not seen any real reason to exclude the quote."[139] This message shows his complete failure to adhere to consensus.
@RegentsPark: by "violation of a sanction", do you mean the two points that you had mentioned here? He has been making blanket reverts of versions by MSW[140][141] very often though, despite having told not to do that. Also the diffs I have presented, shows that he still don't understand that Wikipedia involves team work, and he is frequently engaging in edit warring, making personal attacks. Not to mention that whatever he has been removing/restoring in these diffs doesn't improve the article, but only makes it worse. D4iNa4 (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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