I am deeply saddened that BrownHairedGirl and I were both unable to initially resolve our differences one-on-one at her talk page. I've re-read that exchange at least a dozen times to try and figure out where I could have defused things early on but I remain uncertain.
As far as the ArbComm case, my evidence is here and my analysis is here and I don’t have anything to add. Except that I remain surprised that BrownHairedGirl did not eventually submit at least some formal evidence because I'm convinced that would have led to a better and more nuanced outcome.
I have almost always appreciated BrownHairedGirl's substantive contributions and still proudly display a CFD-related barnstar from her on my user page. If you came here to congratulate me for her site ban or do any WP:GRAVEDANCING, you have badly misread me. Please take that junk elsewhere. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice_Cup_of_Tea How about a nice cup of tea instead, because I hope with the case now over, you can take some time to rest and recharge. And I think it is always good to remember "Wikipedia doesn't need you to be the hero and save the day, it only needs you to be the best collaborative editor you can be." Cheers, Beccaynr (talk) 05:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Schema issue for the naming of law enforcement operations category[edit]
Please see the talk on Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. I'm sure you are partial to the page you created, but I think it's less intutive than the one created for the FBI. I'm reviewing the law enforcement operation pages for the agencies to see if they exist and how they are named. My current knee jerk reaction is to use the naming as was for the FBI enforcement operations Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations.
That would mean going through and relinking each of the pages for ICE to the new category Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. eximo (talk) 17:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jiwhit01: Thanks for pinging me and let me give a little context: Generally we follow the main article's naming format in the category space per WP:C2D to make navigation easier for the readers . So, the main article is U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement so the corresponding category matches with Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Similarly, the main article for the FBI is Federal Bureau of Investigation so that subcategory is Category:Federal Bureau of Investigation operations to match. The difference you're see between the categories is because one agency has "U.S." in the main article and one does not. If you think an article does not follow the WP:COMMONNAME or could be improved, you can create an WP:RM on that article's talk page. (If that RM is successful, you can then use WP:C2D to speedy rename the category.) Since so few people visit category talk pages though, if you think there's a navigational benefit to changing the category name, that would be discussed centrally at a WP:CFD nomination. So, I respectfully disagree with renaming the category and I want you to point you to the right place if you want to proceed! Let me know if you have other questions about CFD though; it can be confusing to even established editors that haven't seen that process before.Either, way, happy editing! - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:11, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)
would be very beneficial. I found the category created for the FBI's operations most informative and desire to create one for each LEA.
So I'm less inclined to suggest a name change to your category. But there will be redundancy that is sure to draw the ire of a few purist.
I'm apprehensive though if I go through with this, that somebody with more authority will invoke a speedy deletion on the project. What are your thoughts? eximo (talk) 04:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just saw the Hotcat update you made to the category, I'm not clear on what you did. What does the Pipe operator do in this category you added? Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement|Operations. Any help to understand would be appreciated, so I can utilize the skill myself in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiwhit01 (talk • contribs) 09:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not an admin or anything. We're just two editors having a conversation and it sounds like I misunderstood your question the first time.
The pipe just changes how the subcategory is alphabetized under Category:U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement so it's under P. That's not a big deal here with only two subcategories, but in a category like this with a bunch of subcats that all start with the same letter it can be helpful.
6/7: Yes, when you nominate categories for renaming either through the speedy process or CFD, the links on all the pages are updated automatically without manual effort. (In fact, doing so manually is frowned upon since it loses the history, see WP:CUTPASTE for background.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, RevelationDirect, and welcome to Women in Red. It's good to see you now intend to spend more of your editing time writing about women's history and women's clubhouses. I see you have already made a good start on this. You might also be inspired to develop some of the associated biographies. If so, you will find guidance in our Primer. You might like to add our user box {{User WikiProject Women in Red}} to your user page where others will be able to see your interest in the project. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 10:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you are aware of this site. There seems to be plenty of scope for covering more women's clubs although some of them are certainly of more historical interest than others.--Ipigott (talk) 12:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi RevelationDirect, just wanted to let you know I've closed the requested move discussion on the talk page as successful and moved Metropolitan Club (New York City). You mentioned you would be interested in doing some of the cleanup associated with it, so this is a quick courtesy notice. The page Metropolitan Club is now a DAB page in the event the links don't get fixed. Cheers, microbiologyMarcus[petri dish·growths] 17:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like 499 links: [1], might require an AWB assisted cleanup. microbiologyMarcus[petri dish·growths] 17:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! My apologies for replying so late and on your talk page (my talk page got archived), but I am quite concerned by the destruction of a well though out category structure that mirrors the same categories for non-Sámi people and by the people doing it not having a clue as to what they are merging stuff into, even when it has been pointed out that the categories they are upmerging stuff into are not appropriate. If they spent half as much time looking for people to add to these categories as they do proposing them, there would be no need for a discussion. On the other hand, I am also annoyed by the fact that any attempts to discuss this on these proposals are ignored and usually sets off another round of deletion/merging requests for more Sámi categories to the point where I no longer want to participate in the "discussions" to save the few remaining categories that are left. - Yupik (talk) 15:50, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yupik: You have Come to the right place! Not to brag but, after my foibles last year, I think I'm the best editor on Wikipedia to advise you on category drama.
We've both been on Wikipedia for a long time and remember when categories were important. But the Wikimedia Foundation chose not to display categories on the mobile view and, since most Wikipeda readers use phones and tablets, they never even see the categories let alone click on them. Instead, mobile readers see three auto-generated "Related Articles" at the bottom of the page.
That decision is frustrating to me, both because I've spent a lot of time on categories and because the what appears in "Related Articles" is so badly selected. The remaining editors at WP:CFD are caring and thoughtful but the process is less nuanced because there are so few of them as so many justifiably lost interest and weren't replaced. Just look at how much more well attended discussions were ten years ago!
I pulled up the oldest article and oldest category you created with the word "Sámi" in it:
I didn't look at the particular nomination you mentioned and don't have a substantive opinion, but I do recognize the level of frustration because I've been there. My advice is to deprioritize the categories and instead to focus your time on creating/improving Sámi articles, since that's what readers care about.
@Callitropsis:, née SamX, gave me the same advice last year but I just wasn't ready for it. But maybe you want to invest time so CFD has a much needed additional voice, but just know it's a big effort. Either way, I wish you the best! - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:44, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank for the advice and I'm sorry that you have also been frustrated with these types of decisions. I've already basically stopped writing here on enwp as it is because all the fun of doing so has been stripped away by the overzealous. The people who prefer to use marketing material from the tourist industry and sources stemming from scientific racism already drove away my colleagues, who are Sámi (I am not), 15 or so years ago.
Apparently categories is the new target and that is also frustrating beyond belief. I'm not sure who is left at CfD since it is the same two-person tag team that keeps targetting these categories and approving each other's nominations, so any input I or anyone else gives is pointless. So I will be taking your advice and deprioritize categories; I don't have the time and rn I definitely don't have the patience or desire to bang my head against the wall. Unfortunately, I will also not likely touch articles anymore beyond reverting the garbage some IP address keeps sticking into Skolt Saami articles :/
Do you btw know of any way to turn off notifications for Cfd? There's no point in me seeing them since the categories will just be deleted or merged anyways. - Yupik (talk) 13:05, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW the pageviews for articles are hard to actually calculate since someone who knows nothing about the Sámi decided to all of a sudden move things around Sámi<->Sami<->Saami and back somewhere around 2021. All of the items had been carefully curated to use the form that was used in English by person or instance it was talking about, so the Saami Council, but the Sámi Parliament in Finland, etc. but they just moved them willy-nilly and then they moved some, but not all of them back. >.< So if you add Category:Saami politicians to the pageview query, the number rises to 1400 since 2015. For the Sámi/Saami/Sami National Day, it is has been viewed 112,420 times. - Yupik (talk) 13:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you place {{bots|optout=all}} on your talk page, it will block all bot notices. That would also include Women in Red and similar notices though. The tool being used for the automatic CFD notices is called Twinkle but I'm not sure if it calls some other bot to do that. You might try {{bots|optout=Twinkle}} and see if that works. (Bots are way outside my area of expertise; User:Pppery is a wiz with them though and is a helpful admin if you need more guidance there.)For me, when I'm having trouble with WP:AGF with multiple editors, that's usually when it's time for me to take wikibreak, or at least to shift areas. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
