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... that Aoi Koga's decision to pursue voice acting was partly inspired by a childhood desire to "become friends with dolls"? Source: [3] ("小さいとき、お人形たちと仲良しになりたいって思ったのが、こういった道に進んだきっかけでした。")
ALT1: ... that voice actress Aoi Koga has an interest in manhole covers? Source: [4] (私、実はマンホールが好きで、地方に行くとよく“ご当地限定マンホール”をチェックしているんですが、鎌倉ですごく可愛いマンホールを見つけたんです。大きいマンホールの真ん中に“鎌”ってデザインされているやつで、見つけた瞬間携帯のシャッターを切っちゃいました（笑）。マンホールって地方によって柄が全然違ったり、キャラクターデザインのマンホールもあったりするので、普段から見落とさないように注意深く歩いています（笑）。)
Comment: Requesting a special occasion request for August 24 (her birthday). Given that today is just outside the six-week requirement, I already requested an IAR exemption at WT:DYK.
Improved to Good Article status by Narutolovehinata5 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 106 past nominations.
Hey, I just wanted to apologize for promoting this earlier than requested. I verified the hook but I missed the comment. Someone pointed out my mistake at WT:DYK and I just wanted ot let you know I've unpromoted this, so that it can be held in the approved area to run for her birthday (unless of course a DYK admins wants to override me). Hey man im josh (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 an end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find Alt1 to be the most interesting. I find Alt2 to be confusing. What does Indira Gandhi have to do with the birthday of Rahman? VR(Please ping on reply)13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Done. Please check the article now. I made the paragraphs smaller except "Bangabandhu's perspective" and "Observances" sections because they are already small. Added end-of-sentence citations for all hook. Let me know if there is anything left to do. Mehedi Abedin14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Needs a copyedit for poor grammar. The "Observances" section is not supported by the source, which states what happened in 2019, not what must happen every year. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I edited the observances section a little bit because the source talk about the day's observances in 2019. But the source also says that it is an public holiday so I kept that part without editing. If you could say in which parts I need copyedit then it will help me. Mehedi Abedin16:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, a lot of the details on how Bangabandhu spent his birthdays (e.g. "He spent his birthdays resting and receiving gifts from his wife Sheikh Fazilatunnesa Mujib.") don't seem encyclopedic at all. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@Z1720:@Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm reading the source correctly, then the $4,000,000 is attributed to the team's nickname, which it attributes to Brandiose. I think this counts as design work, so passing.--Launchballer11:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not in Love (Crystal Castles song)
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Launchballer18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and I need a QPQ, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. QPQ done and Earwig only picks up quotes. Article and source say "because we were all attached to his raw demo vocals" and the hook says "were so captivating", and I'm not convinced these are exactly the same thing.--Launchballer10:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Screw it, it's been a month and no one's been able to come up with anything better than that. Someone drag me to a noticeboard if they care, but I'm willing to WP:IAR approve ALT1. IAR on newness (slightly over seven days), long enough, sourced, neutral, interesting, and plagiarism-free. Hook is cited and interesting, no image provided, no QPQ necessary. Good to go. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Isaidnoway and Theleekycauldron: I was thinking of promoting this but unless I'm missing something neither hook is actually cited in the article, either that the four in the first hook are all siblings or that those listed in Alt1 are prime ministers. I would actually say the entire lead needs cited, including the footnotes, unless there is a guideline I am missing? Happy to be corrected if I've missed something.
The Encyclopedia of Popular Music p.1564; Peter Michael McCartney, 7 January 1944, Liverpool, England. The younger brother of the Beatles Paul McCartney.
I've added a bunch of references to this myself; didn't think the Argentine first lady was quite as noteworthy as the US and UK heads of state, feel free to reinstate with a reference @Isaidnoway:. (I tried adding them to the note, but it gave me an error message.)--Launchballer07:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for adding those refs, I appreciate it. The article uses the list-defined reference format, so if you could move the ones you added to the reflist, that would be great, if you don't want to, that is fine as well, and I will take care of moving the refs and the note issue later when I get back from my cardiologist and ophthalmologist appointments today. AirshipJungleman29, if you are referring to the refs I listed up above, they are already in the article, if you are referring to different citations, please let me know, so I can address those concerns. And I should also note, that my preference is the original hook, not the ALT1 hook about the prime ministers. Thanks.Isaidnoway(talk)07:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
The article was nominated within 7 days of creation. It passes the length requirement and is complete as well. I see no neutrality issues. I ran checks on four of the cited sources and found no copyright issues. Agreed with Schwede66 regarding the photo swap. She looks somewhat like a matronly school teacher in the photo, which makes for a wonderful contrast with the "Belgian hardcore DJ" label, and I hope that the closer runs the photo too. Thank you, Lajmmoore. Surtsicna (talk) 22:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The third paragraph under Career needs a citation at the end. The LinkedIn source can only be used if it specifically references who referred to him as playing the saxophone within the article. However, that is clunky, and I recommend removing the source entirely. Why do you need four references for that one fact? It can be knocked down to one source. Otherwise, the article is long enough, new enough, and neutral with no copyright violations. SL93 (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the third paragraph under Career, I relied on sources within the linked articles, i.e. match reports for the matches Chilowicz refereed. His name appears in the linked articles next to a "Report" link that I figure to be the sources for these statements. I suppose I can just use those same sources in this article, but I thought that would likely be superfluous. US Referee (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
US Referee It looks good except for one issue. The source does not say that he "refereed his first competitive match between senior national teams". If that cannot be sourced, it can also be removed from the article and then I can approve it. SL93 (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SL93 I thought this could be inferred by the fact that Chilowicz's international experience was strictly with CONCACAF and there is no counter-example, but I understand your point. Chilowicz's page at Soccerway (heretofore linked in External links) does indicate that this was his first and only such match. I've added it as a reference after that sentence. US Referee (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123: Some of those phrases are common descriptors that cannot be reworded without misleading readers. I reworded the "May 13" one, but the others are criteria that are very difficult to reword without changing their meaning. SounderBruce19:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1a is dependent upon knowing who or what Liga MX is. ALT2 is borderline, but I'd consider lopping off the last four words.--Launchballer12:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
... that Mary Jane Patterson, descendant of previously enslaved mother, was the first African American woman to gain a BA degree, having taken a 'gentleman's course'?
Sources: 1. Bishir, Catherine (2018). "Patterson, Henry J. (1805-1886) and John E. (1804-1880)" North Carolina Architects and Builders: A Bibliographical Dictionary and
2. Blakemore, Erin (2017-05-23)' How the Daughter of a Slave Became the First African American to Earn a Bachelor's Degree.' Time
ALT1: ... that Mary Jane Patterson was the first Black principal of a famous high school in Washington DC? Source: Stewart, A (2013) First Class: The legacy of Dunbar, America's first Black Public School. Chicago. Ill: Lawrence Hill Books p 32
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Balance person (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article was promoted to Good Article within the last couple of days, is easily long enough, well written and copiously referenced. In my opinion the original hook, about being the first to get a BA degree, is best - very interesting indeed. The fact is cited immediately after it, in the lead introduction, to a page hosted on the university website. If I was being picky I'd say the info about achieving a BA degree should be included in the main body of the article too, because the lead intro is normally a summary of the main article. But the GA reviewers didn't have an issue with this, so I'm happy to say good to go to the next stage. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a: ... that Mary Jane Patterson, African American descendant of previously enslaved mother, gained a BA degree in 1862, having taken a 'gentleman's course'? proposed in this diff
I'm afraid I find ALT0a extremely clunky @Balance person:, and this would need to be rewritten. I also don't see how this passed WP:GA given that it fails MOS:PARA (I literally cannot read the first paragraph of Early life and education, and single-sentence paragraphs should be avoided).--Launchballer12:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been passed for GA status. If others do not feel ALTOa is right, perhaps we could go with ALT1. Or someone, perhaps you, could suggest an alternative wording for the clunky one? I actually don't know if I am supposed to be the only editor who should write the hooks or if others can help too, User:LaunchballerBalance person (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT0a looks fine to me. I can understand Airshipjungleman's concerns about the factual accuracy, considering it seems to be a claim from the college ("claimed to be" would not go amiss in the first paragraph). The date is a good addition. Unless someone challenges the GA status I would assume the article is legible enough for DYK. Good to go at last. Sionk (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motibai Kapadia
... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
Source: "Motibai was the first native woman doctor to be trained on parallel lines to native men doctors" [9]..."The first indigenous woman physician to get training alongside male physicians was Moti Bai"[10]
ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[11].
Article new enough (July 7), long enough (2300 B), sourced. ALT0 verified in source; can't access the source for ALT1, so assuming good faith. I think ALT0 is more interesting than ALT1. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)21:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of more than 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [12] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much thanks for the review! I think it'll be fine to leave the hook for now as some of the sources ([13]) also cite "around 3400" (3400여 점) relics. -- 00101984hjw (talk) 00:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@00101984hjw: The very source you just cited translates "...1981년에 9만여 점으로 확대되어" (국문요약, page 165) to "...became more than 90,000 in 1981" (See the English abstract, page 203), not "around" 90,000. BorgQueen (talk) 01:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, might be a month or more before this appears on the Main Page, and who knows what might have happened by then. Might be best to change to "became" or "became on [date]" or similar. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed this claim that Samsung was sued, because the lawsuit was over union-busting and not directly related to body snatching. I expanded from two different sources, about the context of suicide and body snatching by police. I will see if there are more sources, and a potential hook from that. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that entomologist Charles De Geer made all the illustrations for his main, eight-volume work himself (example pictured)? Source: Alsemgeest 2019, p. 354.
ALT1: ... that Charles De Geer was not only an accomplished scientist but also one of the richest men in Sweden? Source: Here (in Swedish)
ALT2: ... that one of the most notable accomplishments by 18th-century scientist Charles De Geer was to bring the importance of insects as pollinators to the attention of the scientific community? Source: Bryk 1952, p. 120. (Not available online)
Substantial interesting GA of a Swedish-Dutch person writing in French, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like the original hook best because it includes the image of his work, which is licensed and gives an idea of both the period and his main topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182 (This cites the Register of Artists' models source: https://www.modelreg.co.uk/st_Articles2.php)
ALT1: ... that Euan Uglow compared his nude painting Articulation with The Endless Column by Constantin Brâncuși? Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182
Overall: I assume good faith on the references that I can't access. I prefer ALT0 because ALT1 would required prior knowledge of the other work to be interesting. SL93 (talk) 19:03, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
New enough (July 11), long enough (6100 B). However, Mehedi Abedin, I think there are a few problems with your sourcing. Somoy TV is known for misinformation, and I think Bdnews24.com may also be questionable. The rest of the article's sources are good, though. If you replace the questionable sources or remove the statements, the article will be good. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)22:00, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is now well-sourced, and a well-written overview of the subject. ALT0 verified in source, ALT2 accepted in good faith. Both hooks are interesting. ALT1 is less interesting, and also, uh, might be a bit dated now. Approving ALT0 and ALT2. I think it would be great to run the hook on 25 September (the 50th anniversary), but I don't know what the rules are on that. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)00:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
Not a review, but I have struck ALT0 as it fails WP:DYKINT (it's dependent on knowing who both Liza Minnelli and My Chemical Romance are), ALT1 would be better if it ended at 'bet' (and replaced 'on' with 'for'), and ALT3 is adorable.--Launchballer19:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article new enough (July 16), long enough (7200 B), well-sourced. Subject passes WP:NSONG. ALT1 and ALT3 verified in sources, assuming good faith on the print source for ALT2. Approving all hooks. I agree with Launchballer, ALT3 is a 10/10 hook; should definitely go with that one. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)16:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is done. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I think ALT1 is best. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 05:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
Source2: Readdy, K. (2018). One Truth and One Spirit: Aleister Crowley's Spiritual Legacy. United States: Ibis Press, p 46. "The most controversial phrase appears at the end: '...' implying a safeguard against tyranny and oppression, lest these rights not be recognized for all."
Reviewed:
5x expanded by Skyerise (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
@Skyerise: I'm reviewing this. The article seems mostly good but I was concerned if you were relying on Crowley's primary source for the hook fact. However, it is Hymenaeus Beta's note that stated Liber OZ has the "controversial" assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide, right? I was wondering if HB actually used the word controversial in the writing; otherwise we'd probably need to remove the word from the hook. BorgQueen (talk) 01:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BorgQueen: oops, I'd meant to have both Readdy and HB. Added the quote from Readdy above. It's Readdy that calls it controversial, and HB that confirms Crowley himself called it a "safeguard", this is not just an interpretation made by his biographers. Skyerise (talk) 02:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: I don't know how well the subject matter will be received by those unfamiliar with Crowley or the occult in general, but the nomination meets the DYK requirements. BorgQueen (talk) 02:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Prose was checked for copyright violations; no issues arose. A number of references were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. All three hooks are verified, but I strongly prefer and recommend ALT2. Yue🌙17:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Titiou Lecoq
Titiou Lecoq
... that according to Titiou Lecoq(pictured), femicides are committed "by men who kill women because they believe they should belong to them"?
Article new enough (July 14), long enough (5100 B), looks well-sourced. ALT0 and ALT1 are verified in the sources. I think ALT2 is iffy because it's citing Le Monde about a quote from itself. Approving ALT0 and ALT1. I like ALT1 better. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)05:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tupou VI
... that King Tupou VI was crowned in 2015 by an Australian minister, Reverend D'Arcy Wood to respect Tongan traditions?
Overall: First hook looks good. Article is well sourced and is new enough. Gotta say I appricate Tongan history so good job on getting this to GA.
Though might I suggest changing the hook to ALT2: ... that Tupou VI was crowned by an Australian minister, in order to respect the tradition of native Tongans touching the King's head? TheBritinator (talk) 22:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. AGF on Dutch-language hook fact which is throughout the article. Image is CC-licensed and suitable for the Main Page. No textual issues that I see. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
Reviewed:
Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section).
The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection.
The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Created by Kravk (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
^Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12. The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
^Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections(PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN 9781925261271. The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
^Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN1790-3041. Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134. Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118. The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
Source: Horn-van Nispen, Marie-Louise ten (2004). "Hendrik Wortman". Tijdschrift voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis. 13 (2). Vereniging voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis: 60–68.
ALT1: ... that Hendrik Wortman promoted the use of peat as a construction material? Source: Horn-van Nispen, Marie-Louise ten (2004). "Hendrik Wortman". Tijdschrift voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis. 13 (2). Vereniging voor Waterstaatsgeschiedenis: 61.
Article is long enough and moved from userspace within the window. QPQ is done. ALT0 checks out, and I think is a much better hook than ALT1, though that one checks too. File:Hendrik Wortman (1859-1939).jpg doesn't look to be PD in the United States, as it's a 1929 publication; we can't use it under fair use as File:Portret van Ir, SFA022800407.jpg (I've tidied up the licensing on that one) is a reasonable substitute. Easy enough fix -- just move that second portrait up and get rid of the first (you might put an External Media link to it, since it'll almost certainly be PD next year, and can then be brought in). No copyvio, BLP or other concerns with the text -- we should be good to go once the images are sorted. UndercoverClassicistT·C10:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: 8 of the 16 citations were checked for verification and close paraphrasing; no issues arose. I prefer ALT2 because the focus is on the subject of the article. ALT1 may mention a record being set, but the PGA Tour is more prestigious than the New Jersey Amateur Championship, so I still prefer ALT2. Yue🌙17:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tokamak de Fontenay aux Roses
TFR shortly after construction was completed
... that shortly after it was completed, the Tokamak de Fontenay-aux-Roses burned a hole through itself in the first example of a "disruption"? Source: Electrons and/or Arnoux for the event details and Asia Times for the terminology
The article was expanded 5x starting on July 16, so it's eligible. Copyvio detector is offline, but the article looks good, and few spot-checks didn't show copyvio. The hook is interesting, though the source for the "hole" part is in French, and is poorly scanned, but Asiatimes tells about both hole and disruption. The photo is good, but I can't see where it's stated that the photo is under CC-BY-SA-2.5; will assume good faith on this. Qpq done. Nice article, good to go! Artem.G (talk) 16:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bryan Revilla
... that politician Bryan Revilla's car caught on fire in the middle of Manila's EDSA highway?
Long enough (barely), new enough, cited. I have added the word "Manila" to the hook because most readers will have no idea what the EDSA is. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Babydog(pictured), who is a "little rascal who looks like a brown watermelon that loves everybody" and loves chicken nuggets from Wendy's, is a fixture in West Virginia politics?
Given that the article was nominated late due to an AFD discussion, this will probably need to have an IAR exemption request at WT:DYK to run. For what it's worth I'd support an IAR just this once since I find the hook interesting and cute, but rules are rules. For next time, my suggestion would be that if you have an article that's been AFD'd, you should nominate it ASAP instead of waiting for the AFD to end, just to make sure it meets the 7-day requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: A bit late but looks like there was support for allowing it in this case. Article looks good. I like the hooks ALT1/ALT2. Should be good to go. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Just checked again, just in case, and all sections other than the plot (which, as pointed, does not need references) are well referenced. Cambalachero (talk) 13:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
not a full review, but I'm concerned that the article does not clearly separate what is known to be true and what is filled in by the family's story. It seems that actually verifiable information here is minimal. Also, I have WP:NEVENT concerns here. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All statements are attributed and the article fulfills the notability guideline of having received significant coverage in a diversity of RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Makeandtoss as I have never edited the article, can I go ahead and review this nomination? I'm involved in the ARBPIA area but I don't think that's a concern here, right? VR(Please ping on reply)14:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This looks good. The article is new enough (written on 17 July), long enough (3,786b of prose), has no copyright violations (Turnitin and Earwig report 0% likelihood) and seems well-sourced. The hook is quirky and I feel is interesting. Is there a reference for the assertion? Coonin 2018 p. 18 states that he "was probably not closely related to the famous Bardi family". simongraham (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Simongraham: We know Donatello's immediate family was not the Bardi bankers (Coonin p.17 establishes this I believe), and then Coonin p.18 says that it's not likely they were extended family, either, but distant - I suppose given the focus in that part of the article is on how intertwined the Bardi branches were or weren't, that's why I only cited p.18. But, yeah, we could add p.17 to the reference. Kingsif (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Simongraham: I don't think the hook needs it; the source establishes his immediate family was not the famous bankers, which I would feel comfortable to say confirms that "he wasn't [one]". The sentence in the article about how distant that relation is, might warrant it, though other sources speak more firmly (e.g. [17]). Kingsif (talk) 11:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides that, EASTEREGG is when you expect one thing and it goes to another - like saying "Jack and his friend" and having "friend" link to "Jane" (Jack's friend) instead of an article about the concept of friends. Both links here say "a Bardi" and take you to an article on the subject of Bardis - you may not know where the links are going because you don't know what "a Bardi" is, but the expectation then is surely that the link will lead to an explanation for you, which they do. It's not eggy, and to be any more (needlessly) specific would significantly reduce if not nullify the effectiveness of the hook. Kingsif (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article, being a Good Level article, is long enough and properly uses in-line citations. It was passed today, so is new enough for requirements. The hook is interesting and is nominally referenced, but I run across a problem with it and your second reference used. According to The O'Hara Concern, the interaction with Hemingway ended with "Hemingway took the bet and said, "Not only that, but I'm going to break it over my own head". So he didn't break the blackthorn staff over O'Hara's head, but his own. Perhaps you misunderstood the line just after where it said O'Hara was "painfully pounded", but that was referring to Hemingway pounding him on the back when he walked over. SilverserenC22:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Silver seren:: I believe The O'Hara Concern is the only source that tells the story that way. Every other source states that Hemingway broke the cane over O'Hara's head. I've moved that into a footnote. Thank you for bringing that up. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:42, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative hook with added detail that adds more color to the story: ... that Ernest Hemingway broke a blackthorn cane over John O'Hara's head in Costello's, a New York City Irish bar, and that Costello's owner displayed the broken cane over the bar? The wording could probably use some workshopping. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: - Not done Overall: I want to suggest linking "an entertainment agency" and "its only artist" to their respective articles, but not sure if that would be overlinking. Just a thought—otherwise all looks good. I prefer ALT0, just waiting for QPQ now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did consider linking those terms, but ultimately decided not to because of the aforementioned reason. QPQ now done. Thanks for the review, Bsoyka! ~ TailsWx20:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Nearly there. Only need a source in Gene's article for the statement After attending KU, Camarena moved to Wichita, Kansas, where he has lived since, except for his two years spent at Harvard.BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Gene Camarena is in the International Pizza Hut Franchise Holders Association Hall of Fame? "Board of Directors". Pizza Hut Foundation. Retrieved 2024-06-13.
... that Robert Turner(pictured) remained in post for around 30 years after being described as "the oldest soldier in the Royal Artillery"?
Source: "Master Gunner Robert Turner, Windsor, Berkshire, 1880 (c) Photograph, 1880 (c). ... At the date of this photograph he was said to have been the oldest soldier serving in the Royal Artillery." from: "Master Gunner Robert Turner, Fort Belvedere, Windsor Park, 1880 (c)". National Army Museum, London. Retrieved 19 July 2024. and "on monday last week there passed away at Fort Belvedere, Windsor Park, the oldest soldier wearing the uniform of the British Army" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
ALT1: ... that Robert Turner(pictured) was visited at Fort Belvedere by Queen Victoria and Edward VII? Source: "he was appoitne din charge there as a servant ofQueen Victoria. Her Majest often called at the Fort in her summer drives ... and she always made kindly enquiries of the old and faithful soldier. After ascending the thone the late King also several time visited the spot and graciously entered into conversation with its custodian regarding his health" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
ALT2: ... that when the cannons used for royal salutes at Fort Belvedere wore out elderly gunner Robert Turner(pictured) continued to mock fire them every noon on royal birthdays? Source: "the guns which were of an old type and mostly captured from enemies became dangerous from exposure and disuse. The practice was then discontinue much to the regret of the younger generation of this district who, cnsidered it an unfailing source of attraction to go up to Fort Belvedere at noon on the queen's and other royal birthdays to witness the unusual spectacle of mimic warfare. Then the veteran soldiers ... passed from piece to piece in the performance of his duty" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
(comment) Article is long enough and moved to mainspace recently enough. Earwig says "violation unlikely". Interesting hook that is well-cited and mentioned in the article body, although maybe mentioning that the post was fictitious could highlight the unusual aspect better? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if I'm allowed to edit the hook post-approval, but I just added the word "fictitious" per Chaotic Enby's suggestion. I hope that's OK. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Justiniano Borgoño
Justiniano Borgoño
... that after being held as a prisoner of war for three months, Justiniano Borgoño's(pictured) release was brokered by an enemy general?
The page had 649 B of readable prose prior to expansion, and currently has 8755, so it has been successfully expanded over 5 times. WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely". QPQ is done. Hooks are interesting. However, there is a problem with this nomination. The first hook is cited to a Google Doc that I cannot access. I don't know what the document is or if it's even reliable. With a better source this should be good to go. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
[19] I'm not sure why it didn't work the link didn't work the first time; it's not working for me either. This link is just the only available online upload, it is a real book with ISBN 9789972625503 (just so you know it's not just a random google file) Kimikel (talk) 22:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Kastner, Ruth E. (April 28, 2022). The Transactional Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics: A Relativistic Treatment. Cambridge University Press. p. 76. ISBN 978-1-108-90849-8.
Overall: I've italicized (pictured) in each hook per WP:DYKMOS. All looks good to me—an interesting read! Assuming good faith on ALT0, but I've verified all other hook sources. I prefer ALT1 and ALT2, but I'll leave all options open for the promoter. Nice article, and nice hooks! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 15:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "At the age of just 15 years old, Turkey’s Begüm Pusat is one of the youngest athletes competing at the 2019 Women’s U25 World Championship" [20]
Overall: Nominated on creation day, 3277 B as of now. Earwig reaches 21.3%, but this is due to quotes. Lifespan should be added per MOS:FIRSTBIO (same for a separation between a lede and the broader bio), but think of these as optional suggestions. ミラP@Miraclepine03:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ is done. Page is long enough. Earwig returns a 0.0% chance of copyvios. Hook is quirky and interesting, and is verified in the source. I have no objections, this hook seems good to go! Di (they-them) (talk) 00:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: The article is in excellent shape and have no concerns about in terms of length and newness. The three hooks are all sourced but I prefer ALT0, mainly since ALT2 relies on an unreliable source for the hook information (Know Your Meme), and ALT0 seems to be most interesting between it and ALT1. No QPQ needed as the creator/nominator has less than 5 DYK nominations in the past. The picture I also approve since it's in the public domain, clear, and used in the article. I have no other concerns about the article or the hook. Good work on "Blinking Sam", the three of y'all! :P ~ TailsWx19:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: languages ("Domina diverses llengües a més del català i el castellà. Parla italià, francès, anglès i portuguès. [He is fluent in several languages in addition to Catalan and Spanish. He speaks Italian, French, English and Portuguese.]) - bishop/co-prince (head of state)
Comment: True that he becomes head of state because of his position as a bishop, but I don't think that's too common that it wouldn't be interesting. Open to other ways of wording the hook, though.
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 220 past nominations.
Nominated a few hours after the 7 day deadline, should be fine.
The article is definitely long enough, the sources appear to be very high quality, and no copyvio detected.
I do have concerns about the hook's source. First, I didn't see where it supported the claim. But more importantly, the source is 12 years old and can't be expected to give an accurate picture of the situation today. You're either going to need a new source or a different hook.
Oops, I accidentally copy-and-pasted the URL for the wrong source.
Source: [22]Although Zambia has among the most liberal abortion laws in sub-Saharan Africa, as many as 70% of the country’s abortions are considered “unsafe,” according to a 2016 study in Social Science & Medicine, an academic journal published in the Netherlands.
This source is from 2022 and supports my claim. Although I'm now thinking it'd be better to phrase the hook as "unsafe" rather than "illegal" since that's what it says in the article.— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)15:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that source should be fine. And unsafe is probably more accurate, because it also seems to include legal but "substandard" facilities. Do you have any thoughts about alternate wording for the hook? I'm not sure if "unsafe providers" is the best way to describe it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cited: - The source doesn't actually use the word "unlawful" anywhere—is there another reference that supports that wording? Otherwise, I think removing the quotes in the hook would resolve this.
Interesting:
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Comment: Moved to main space on July 21. There is also a pic of Walter Kirchhoff in military uniform in the article that could be used if preferred. I have provided it here as well.
Walter Kirchhoff during World War I
Created by 4meter4 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 88 past nominations.
... that by using Timur as the subject of the fourth poem (Timurnama) of his Khamsa (quintet), its author Hatefi implied that the Turco-Mongol conqueror was a second Alexander the Great? Source: "Hatifi wrote a Khamsa (‘Quintet’) in emulation of the Khamsas of Nizami Ganjavi and Amir Khusrau Dihlavi, but replaced the earlier poets’ romances of Alexander/Iskandar with an epic about Timur, thus implicitly identifying Timur as another Alexander." (Melville, p. 1124)
Overall: Looks good to me! Interesting quote for an interesting piece of literature by an author and era that I'm personally unfamiliar with. That being said, do you have a source for "(it) is often viewed as the most important work by Hatefi"? This doesn't seem to be sourced to me. That's the only thing that stood out to me and I can change this to a green tick when this is addressed. Cheers! BaduFerreira (talk) 05:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BaduFerreira: Thank you for this valuable review! I certainly forgot to add a sentence and a reference for this claim in the body of the article; I much appreciate you catching this. I have added the respective sentence and a reference to an open access source. I hope this addresses your concern. Thanks again! WatkynBassett (talk) 06:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thank you for that. Added citation provides a source for the previously unsourced claim. I've gone ahead and updated my review to a green checkmark. BaduFerreira (talk) 15:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ka Esi Le Onye Isi Oche
... that "Ka Esi Le Onye Isi Oche", a 1983 song by Mike Ejeagha, gained a resurgence in popularity in 2024 due to a social media sensation 41 years after its release?
ALT2: ... that Alfred Biliotti's(pictured) duties as a British diplomatic official included archaeological investigations and investigating war crimes?
This seems like an interesting article, I'd be happy to take on the DYK review. It's quite a long article so it will take me a bit longer than usual, but I hope to be able to get back with a full review tomorrow. Best, Yakikaki (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, here is the review: the article is substantially more than a 5x expansion, done recently enough. QPQ has been done and the image is properly licensed. The article is within policy. The hooks are fine, supported by inline citations, though the original hook might possibly be a bit misleading since the source merely says that Biliotti negotiated the safe conduct of the besieged, not the surrender, but I guess that is implied. But in any case I would prefer ALT2, which is both the most "hooky" and also a good summary of important parts of Biliotti's career. In any case the article is good to go for DYK. It is a high quality, fascinating read, I'm happy to be able to promote content like this to a main page appearance. If you haven't thought of it already, I would highly recommend you nominate it for GA status. Yakikaki (talk) 18:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review and your kind words. On the first hook, it says that Biliotti negotiated the end of the siege -- that is correct, as you can hardly besiege a town with nobody in it. UndercoverClassicistT·C20:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page is new enough (created on July 21) and long enough. QPQ has been done. Article is presentable. Both hooks have a good source. I prefer the first hook. Good to go in my book. StewdioMACK (talk) 05:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Substantial detailed interesting bio, on plenty of good sources, offline souces accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The hook works for me. In the article, I wonder if his brother needs a title, - we are talking young age not what he'd achieve later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the review. You are right, and I have defrocked Father John. He became a Jesuit priest and was never Father John, and he was almost certainly renamed Father Xavier in the tradition of Jesuits (but can't prove that yet). Storye book (talk) 08:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Motokare Retry
... that the spin-off episode of the live-action adaptation of Motokare Retry was written to portray "conversations between men" and "male friendship"?
Article is new and long enough, QPQ is met, the hook citation seems to check out based on machine translation, and the hook itself is strong without any issues, and as a hook for a fictional work possesses basis in the real world creative process. In lack of the ability to check the sources in detail, everything seems to check out and there's no obvious issues. The article is presentable; info on reception is lacking on reception but that's common for manga articles. I'll quibble that the audio drama voices and movie comic information would ideally find a more concrete source than a tweet, but they're basic enough facts that I don't think that's a major issue. Passing this, happy to see some shoujo at DYK. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 07:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Age and length are fine. No copvio/plagiarism concerns (Earwig = 26% but it's a quote). The hook is entertaining, and reliably sourced. I think it's good to go. KJP1 (talk) 05:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Metropolitan Club (New York City)
The Metropolitan Club
... that New York City's Metropolitan Club once had a busybodies' club? Source: Porzelt, Paul (1982). The Metropolitan Club of New York. Rizzoli. p. 152.
ALT1: ... that when New York City's Metropolitan Club was established, there was another Metropolitan Club two city blocks away? Source: Porzelt, Paul (1982). The Metropolitan Club of New York. Rizzoli. pp. 22-23.
ALT2: ... that one prospective member of New York City's Metropolitan Club was rejected due to silver coins? Source: "Why Wolcott Was Blackballed: the Metropolitan Club of New York Objected to His Friendliness to Silver". The Washington Post. May 8, 1894. p. 5.
ALT3: ... that New York City's Metropolitan Club, once known as the "Millionaires' Club", almost sold its clubhouse due to financial troubles? Source: Dow, Jim (December 14, 2018). "Inside New York's most exclusive private clubs". Financial Times; "Metropolitan Club Members Stave Off Sale: 150 of 750 Agree to Save $2,000,000 5th Avenue Home With Own Funds". New York Herald Tribune. March 18, 1945. p. 22.
ALT4: ... that New York City's Metropolitan Club was once called "a splendid palace, fit for kings of industry"? Source: Sherman, Beth (March 22, 1990). "Walking White's New York". Newsday.
The article is eligible, and looks to be in good shape. I like ALT1; it checks out in the source and is cited in-article. I think the word "city" in "city blocks" is unnecessary, but that's up to taste. QPQ checks out. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Nominated seven days after mainspace move and length 1572 B. One source runs 21.3% at Earwig, but that's a quote. BeanieFan11, you may wanna update the article since the Games are over, but take this as optional for DYK purposes. Otherwise, the article looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine04:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is honestly not very interesting (it was not unusual at all for European artists to study elsewhere in Europe at the time, or even now). Suggesting a preliminary alternate below instead:
ALT1 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera or a violin sonata?
The article has several interesting facts about him, which can probably be used for hooks too. I'll come back in a bit to propose additional suggestions. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3 ... that a symphony by 18th-century composer Maxim Berezovsky was only performed publicly for the first time in 2003? (this is not currently directly stated in the article, I'm only proposing this wording for brainstorming purposes)
ALT4 ... that according to conductor Kirill Karabits, both Russians and Ukrainians have equal claims to the legacy of composer Maxim Berezovsky?
ALT5 ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, much of Maxim Berezovsky's life is unknown for certain?
ALT5a ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, little is known for certain about Maxim Berezovsky?
ALT6 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music? (currently only mentioned, uncited, in the lede and thus would require a source)
I'm not going to review the article, but I've read it and I've noticed that the tone of the article, particularly in the Works section, may be too laudatory in Wikipedia's voice, and that might need to be resolved. Asking from help from either 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 in copyediting the article and perhaps fixing the article concerns, as well as further suggestions on hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the hook suggestions. Do you realise that the article (which is not by me) just passed a GA review? ... was written by an editor who brought composers to FA status, for example Artemy Vedel? I nominated because the author would not do DYK (which I can understand). I was dead tired when I nominated, so grabbed the first idea that hit me as unusual to not miss the deadline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like ALT1 best of the suggestions, but think it should be "and" between symphony and violin sonata, because it's thought for both.
ALT1a ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera and a violin sonata?
Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for inviting me to suggest an ALT for this DYK nom. However, since I'm neither the one who improved the article to GA nor the nominator, I think it would be poor form for me to step on the toes of other editors. If this nomination continues to be at an impasse, though, please let me know and I'll do what I can. What I will mention is that the bit of copy-editing I did revealed some issues that ought to be resolved, especially in a GA article. A few parts raise concerns about WP:SYNTH, for example. An early instance occurs at the the conclusion of the first paragraph in the "Biography" section. Putting aside for the moment that the phrase "victim of the regime" is loaded terminology that should be avoided per MOS:LABEL, WP:IMPARTIAL, and WP:EPSTYLE, I discovered upon reading the cited source (which doesn't include the page number; it's 25) that it doesn't confirm the statement in the article. (Full disclosure: I'm proficient in Russian, but know zero Ukrainian. Even so, the languages are similar enough that I can generally grasp the meaning of Ukrainian; the difference to my eyes and ears being comparable to that between Spanish and Portuguese.) According to Shumilina, surviving evidence "disproves the idea that Berezovsky's lack of work and financial difficulties caused his suicide". She reaffirms this in the final paragraph of page 27: "An untimely death (not the result of suicide!) interrupted his creative work" ("Передчасна смерть (не внаслідок самогубства!) перервала його творчість"). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24 and Jaguarnik: Both of you have made edits to the article: are there no further remaining issues? Courtesy ping as well to the second GA reviewer Shushugah if there are also other issues. Given that the article probably needs more copyediting regarding the language used (i.e. to meet WP:IMPARTIAL), also asking Launchballer if they're okay with helping out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've looked at the article again and fixed anything that I thought needed fixing. I don't think there's anything left to do other than possibly copyedit; I did my best to copyedit as the GA reviewer but I recognize that I missed some parts.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5:: I'm bringing up the following because you asked, but let me state once more that I won't be contributing heavily to this article, aside from minor touch-ups. Among other things, there is a bit of a slant to the article. The "Sacred music" sub-section, for example, potentially misleads the reader into thinking that Berezovsky was chiefly or even solely a phenomenon of Ukrainian culture. His influence on Russian music, which for a time must've also been considerable, is never discussed. (It's worth noting that in Berezovsky's time, Russian and Ukrainian cultures were more blurrier and mutually porous concepts than today.) Some aspects are left unexplained as well. Because losses of manuscripts and tangible evidence of his life are recurring themes in this article, it would seem to imply that at some point Berezovsky's legacy experienced a decline into obscurity; a 1947 article by Vera Vasina-Grossman [ru] in Sovyetskaya Muzyka confirms this to be the case. (This is important, because the magazine was not only the preeminent musical academic journal in the RSFSR, but in all of the USSR, including the Ukrainian SSR.) After that, Berezovsky's name is mentioned a few more times in the magazine. In the 1960s, his life and work came to be recognized outside of musicological circles thanks to a book about the composer Josef Mysliveček by Marietta Shaginyan. She mentioned Berezovsky therein, lamenting the fact that his music was widely unknown at the time. This seems to have been the catalyst for a modest revival. By the 1980s, articles and studies on his music increase significantly; there were some first recordings and performances as well. None of this reception history is mentioned in this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24: Thanks for the direction to Vasina-Grossman's article; I've found it and I will add it as a source into the article. I'll also look to see if I can't find something more recent analyzing his contributions to Russian music.Jaguarnik (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, if I found the correct article (Забытая повесть о русском музыканте, Forgotten Tale of a Russian Musician, Vera Vasina-Grossman, 1947]) then this article is almost useless for analyzing Berezovsky's legacy in Russia, because the great majority of it is devoted to analyzing a fictional tale of his life. Still, I'll try to find something about his contributions to Russian music. Either way, I don't think adding his influence in Russian music is necessary for the DYK hooks, but it is something that future editors can work on.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CurryTime7-24: Given the apparent incompleteness of the article and other issues that were raised, would a GAR be needed, or that shouldn't be necessary and any remaining issues should be surmountable? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I don't think these issues call the GA itself into question. I think the reviewer did a great job and they also helped to further polish up this article. It was a bit of a mess last year; the work done to get it to this point has been commendable. @Jaguarnik: That is the article, yes, but my point was that it acknowledged Berezovsky's decline into obscurity, which is not mentioned by this article. Rumors and all, it may have been the first serious article on Berezovsky in decades, if not longer; it seems to have served as a starting point for the revival of interest in his music. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see now, my apologies if I was rude. The article was helpful in that it led me to find another article in Sovetskaya Muzyka that also wrote about Berezovsky, along with an article from 2013; I added those into the article.Jaguarnik (talk) 07:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing most of the neutrality issues were fixed before I got here, however there is one phrase beginning "He is considered" within the Sacred music section that needs attribution.--Launchballer13:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: - Not done Overall: ALT0 is, as noted, not interesting. Given the current brouhaha around "first" hooks, I think it best to eschew ALT1/ALT1a (the latter is also ungrammatical) because the provided citation is not ultra-reliable. The term "Golden Three" is not used in the article, so ALT5/ALT5a/ALT6 are out. I am not comfortable with ALT4, especially in the current political context, because I would like to see that statement come from a historian, not a conductor. That leaves ALT2 and ALT3, both of which are approved. However, a QPQ has not been provided after nearly two weeks, so that needs to be urgently addressed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In response to the above, the "Golden Three" fact was previously in the article but has since been deleted; I'm not sure when and why. When I proposed ALT3, the article wording did not directly reflect or support it, so if ALT3 is to be used, that needs to be clarified in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: I mean, the article does not explicitly state that the symphony was never performed before 2003, only implied. The article wording seems ambiguous to me: it says that the symphony was written in the 18th century but makes no explicit mention if it was performed back then or not. So at best, the accuracy of ALT3 based on the current wording is ambiguous. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Golden three" wasn't deleted, rather rephrased since I couldn't find anything actually calling the trio "Golden Three"; they were consistently called "the three great Ukrainian composers of the 18th century"; hooks can be rephrased to reflect this. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Airship, repeating: please excuse my ignorance. I had heard the name of one of the three, and didn't know he studied in Italy, thank you for the education! Our general readers will of course be better informed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: It wasn't the wording per-se that was ambiguous. Rather, it's ambiguous if it had ever been performed before 2003, as in if it had been performed during Berezovsky's lifetime, or if it was a case of the symphony was written but never performed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: @TCMemoire and SL93: Nice work. Optionally, I would include an inflation figure in the article, since $1 in 1983 is worth about $3.21 today (which is still a very good bargain though). However, that inflation figure isn't required for this nomination to be approved. Epicgenius (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Epicgenius: Thanks for the suggestion. I was today years old when I learned we have inflation templates, so I've added one per your suggestion. Thanks for the extremely quick turnaround and to @SL93: for seeing the value of this hook when I didn't give it a thought! –TCMemoire20:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Yakikaki, review follows: article created 24 July and is of good length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources (mostly older Swedish language books); I checked against the only English language source (Benson 1926) and found no issue with overly close paraphrasing (though it is a PD source anyway), AGF on the others and noting that the Earwig search tool is down; hook fact is interesting, stated in article and checks out to sources; a QPQ is underway. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 06:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that in the 19th century, after becoming a major religious leader of the Upper Skagit, a man named sƛ̕abəbtikəd united the tribes and established himself as their sole leader?
Source: 1. "One who attended the treaty council but did not sign it was the prophet-cultist Slaybebtkud, who came from east of the Cascade Mountains to join the Skagits. After the treaty, he exerted great authority by uniting about ten extended and autonomous village bands of the upper Skagit River and its tributaries" (Ruby et al. 2010, p.361).
2. "sƛ̕abəbtikəd became a famous innovator, introducing a new religion and a system of formal, centralized government among the Upper Skagit. As a self-selected missionary, he had a big wooden house at saxipəp...Under his leadership, this house became a "church" during the summer months...The concentation of authority in the hands of a single individual was basic in this cult" (Collins 1974, p.34).
Reviewed:
Comment: Alternatively, his name has been rendered as Slaybebtikud or Stababutkin in English, if that is easier to read (or to save on characters).
5x expanded by PersusjCP (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
New enough (expanded July 25), long enough (2900 B). Looks very well-cited, except for one paragraph from before your expansion. PersusjCP, the paragraph starting with "The Tribe owns several businesses..." should either have a source or be removed. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)16:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: appeared on the Main page as RD, but still eligible. I'm open to hooks, but this tries to inform that sang title roles (rare for a baritone!), had a repertoire from Monteverdi to contemporary, portrayed mythical figures and kings, had a close connection not only to the Polish most important stage but also to the Spanish second most important stage. - Had no article, imagine!
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2112 past nominations.
Thank you for ALT1 and 2, Storye book, but please next round, don't place above my signature. I think "musician" is way too general, - could even be a pop guitarist, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, sorry, I've moved them downstairs. Of course "musician" is rubbish, but it's for the philistines, who will otherwise delete stuff. OK, here they are corrected, in case this nom gets a reviewer who is cool with opera.
I am assuming it is not a COI to review a submission that reviews mine, it is pure random - this was just the only current unreviewed hook with adjective Polish, which is what I search for in the first place. Anyway, date, size, refs, hook, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG. I have no preference with regards to ALTs, they are all mildly interseting at the same level (IMHO). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here13:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schlag den Henssler
... that the short-lived German game show Schlag den Henssler became internationally popular after a clip of a soft pretzel being cut perfectly in half circulated on social media?
I would say that this article meets the DYK criteria. New enough, long enough, QPQ done, no copyright issues, cited in article. I also should say that commas should be used instead of full stops, so instead of €500.000, it should be €500,000. They do that in Germany and much of Europe, but not so much for English. JuniperChill (talk) 22:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JuniperChill: No in English we use commas for all large numbers and never full stops too, I thought for some reason that's what was done in Europe and didn't double check lol 😅 Thank you again! Johnson52402:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that 19th-century Polish writer Józef Ignacy Kraszewski(pictured) authored several hundred works, including over 200 novels, making him one of the most prolific writers in the world? Source: see https://books.google.com/books?id=R-MkT9vavwIC&q=The+History+of+Polish+Literature (p. 256, book available through Internet Archive as well) "the most prolific of Polish novelists left a work encompassing some seven hundren volumes - which must be reckoned among the highest outputs ever on the world scale" or https://books.google.com/books?id=9Tbed6iMNLEC&dq=%22J%C3%B3zef+Ignacy+Kraszewski%22+biography&pg=PA17 (page 17) "In the hands of [JIK], the historical novel assumed the proportions of a mass industry. In a liftetime of unpararelled productivity, Kraszewski wrote over five hundred works..." For the count of "over 200 novels", see sources cited in the first sentence and paragraph of section "Reception", where figure 223 is cited (I think we don't need a precise figure for the lead/hook)
Interesting quality biography, on fine sources, offline and foreign sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I approve the hook but am not happy with saying only something about quantity. I am open to something less repetitive (200 novels seem impressive enough) which might include "historic" novels, or a title, or that he also illustrated, or that he wrote series in collaboration, or some biographical aspect. Your choice. In the article, I'd appreciate less sandwiching of text between images. His first name is used The image of him is licensed (and if taken we could drop 19th-century as given by how it looks) but it is rather pale. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that during the Panic of 1907, the presidents of New York City's banks and trust companies were locked in the Pierpont Morgan Library? Source: Roth, Leland (1983). McKim, Mead & White, Architects. Harper & Row. p. 410.
ALT1: ... that during some years, J. P. Morgan spent half his income on the Pierpont Morgan Library's collection? Source: Irwin, Will (April 10, 1927). "Morgan Island: On the Crest of Murray Hill Stands the One Perfect Great Thing on Manhattan Island-- The Morgan Library-- Whose Marble Walls Inclose Treasure More Valuable Than the Vault Contents of Most New York Banks". New York Herald Tribune. p. SM14.
ALT2: ... that until 1991, the Morgan Library & Museum was so small that parts of its permanent collection had to be hidden every time it hosted a temporary exhibit? Source: Forgey, Benjamin (October 13, 1991). "At Home With J.P. Morgan; Expansion Allows More Art to Go on Public View". The Washington Post. p. G01
ALT3: ... that until 1991, the Morgan Library & Museum's entire exhibition space consisted of two rooms and a corridor? Source: Lipson, Karin (October 1, 1991). "Expanded Facility Debuts Today a Bigger and Better Morgan Library". Newsday. p. 55.
Substantial exquisite article about an exquisite place, on 360 (!) sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. A GA on its way to FA, I assume. Of the present hooks, I prefer ALT1, but none is impossible. I'd just quote "I want a gem." ;) - The image is licensed and shows a gem, - please let's have it, and the hook doesn't matter. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great expansion! Article is long enough to run. Earwig gives no copyright other than the names of events themselves so that's good. I like ALT0, which is confirmed by the source. ALT1 might be seen as too "negative" for a BLP by some, so I'd rather have ALT0 promoted. QPQ not needed. Styyx (talk) 08:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Zhong Jingwen
... that Zhong Jingwen co-founded China's first folklore society in 1927, and then another in 1983?
Source: Liu, Xiaochan (2022). "A Centennial Overview of Folklore Studies at Sun Yat-sen University". Western Folklore. 81 (2/3): 163–176. https://www.jstor.org/stable/27152280. p. 164.
Zhang, Juwen (2018). "Folklore in China: Past, Present, and Challenges". Humanities. 7 (2). doi:10.3390/h7020035. ISSN 2076-0787. https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/7/2/35
QPQ is done, article is new enough and long enough, earwig returns a 0.0% chance of copying, and the hook is interesting. I don't have access to JSTOR right now so I will assume good faith on the sources. Seems good to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 02:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough (July 27), long enough (2700 B), well-sourced, neutral. Hooks are verified in source and are interesting as they show how important the pub was. Approving both hooks. Also proposing an alt hook:
Comment: This is my first DYK nom so please inform me if I did anything wrong. Though I significantly expanded the article I didn't move it to mainspace, I attributed Remsense as the author as they created/moved the page.
Moved to mainspace by Remsense (talk) and Zinderboff (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Regarding the timing: I think this article is new enough as it was moved into the main space on 27 July and sent to DYK on 30 July. Thanks Zinderboff for notifying us about the situation. Article is long enough. It takes an international array of sources and uses a neutral tone. It is presentable. The hook is cited–considering the relevance of the reporting media, it seems that ALT1 (South China Morning Post) and ALT2 (The Guardian) are better sources than Business Insider for reporting this incident. Hooks are admissable. QPQ not needed. and please accept my appreciations for writing on this matter. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great question, @Zinderboff. Basically, some mods will curate sets of DYKs for several days in the future. On the day when your DYK reaches the front page, a bot will notify you. If you're impatient as I am, you can browse T:DYK/Q, where you will get spoilers of the DYKs in the next few days. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 02:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - Both ALTs seems promotional and may need reworking for grammar.
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Wow! "Ai Uta" is such a classic hit, so it's nice seeing an article for it. Article was nominated for DYK within the first 7 days of creation. It has over 1,500 words in prose. Citations are properly sourced. Earig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 2.9%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations, so a QPQ is not needed at this time. Some suggestions outside of DYK nomination is to follow MOS:JAPAN#Titles of media, as I see some stylized capitalization (such as Greeeen's name). The ALT looks like it can be worked into something interesting, but the way it's currently worded feels a bit promotional. How about:
ALT0a: ... that, in a 2007 survey done by Oricon, Japanese girls found the song "Ai Uta" by the band Greeeen to be a perfect love song for the autumn?"
@Lullabying: Oh I reply to your message on my talk page. I thought as it was easy there but, Yes! I address the issue above, and change the Greeeeen's name to match MOS and use your suggested hook as I think they are better the mine. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Good to go. It's OK if you reply on your talk page, but in the future please make sure to reply to the nomination instead, as the message on the talk page was meant as a notification! lullabying (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "'This is like Lazarus coming back from the dead,' USA Boxing head coach Billy Walsh said with a laugh." [25]
ALT1: ... that Jajaira Gonzalez, 2024 U.S. Olympian in women's lightweight boxing, decided to pick up the sport again after seeing her ex-teammates' posts on social media? Source: 'Jajaira Gonzalez was scrolling through social media at her job in a Virginia kickboxing gym about three years ago when she spotted some of her former USA Boxing teammates traveling the world, competing for medals and generally living their best lives. The Instagram post hit Gonzalez like a stiff jab, snapping her out of a quarter-life slumber. “They were in the water in Spain, and I was suddenly like, ‘I should be there,’” she said.' [26]
Reviewed:
Comment: Second DYK nom I've done, still new, so I apologize for any mistakes.
5x expanded by SunTunnels (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: I googled how common fires caused by lightning strikes are and according to this source, they are responsible for 10% of global forest fires which makes it a bit less interesting. Sahaib (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Blair Colony was once one of the highest concentrations of African Americans in South Dakota? Source: Hascall, Randy (June 1, 2003). "The Last Descendant". Argus Leader. Rural Pierre. p. 4A. Retrieved July 29, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
... that "daughter" of the Seychelles Nicole Chang-Leng commanded an all-woman crew?
Source: Joubert-Lawen, Rita (2022-11-04). Bonnelame, Betymie (ed.). "Seychelles' first female international flight captain passes away". Seychelles News Agency. Retrieved 2024-06-24."The country will remember her as a true daughter of our soil. May her family be given courage as they go through this difficult period. May her soul rest in peace," said Ramkalawan...Chang-Leng became the first woman to command an all-female flight crew as commander on a Seychelles-Mauritius flight on August 23, 2007
ALT2: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by its president, commanded an all-woman crew?
Reviewed: [[]]
Comment: I provided in-text attribution for the "daughter of our soil" part within the article; I'm not sure if I need to provide it within the hook as well. I provided two alternative hooks just in case, but Seychellois presidents describing Chang-Leng as important is hardly controversial.
Moved to mainspace by GreenLipstickLesbian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, but "commanded an all-woman crew" makes limited sense without context, and I'd be inclined to truncate the hook at "Seychelles", e.g. ALT3: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng has been described as "daughter" of the Seychelles?.--Launchballer21:03, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Looks good. Nice work. I think Launchballer's suggestion is best given his mentioned concern, though if you prefer that the hook mention the all-woman crew, let me know. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. DYK hook fact checks out (and yes, I can read Portuguese... Thanks, Spanish!). Side comment to BaduFerreira: I think intangible rather than immaterial cultural heritage would be a better translation and in line with the term in English. We have Intangible cultural heritage as an article, but it does not line up one-to-one with ptwiki because they split the concept and UNESCO's list into separate pages (thus the separate Wikidata items). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Sammi, Thank you for the review! I understand where you're coming from with this comment, but it seems to me that a Patrimônio Cultural Imaterial [pt] in Brazil is distinct from the UNESCO Intangible cultural heritage so linking to that article would be a little disingenuous. I'm hoping to find enough sources to get an article started for this concept to reduce future confusion between them, but I do appreciate your feedback. For that reason, I prefer to keep it as immaterial for the time being. Thank you again! BaduFerreira (talk) 05:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point exactly. But I recall editors telling me we could not have hooks that are like this at DYK, because they were downbeat. The same reason we don't see hooks of interesting murders.2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that in our guidelines — take a look at WP:DYKINT. I've personally written about a murder and it was added to DYK. Perhaps you're thinking of our rule that hooks must use a neutral point of view? In this case, the hook may seem "downbeat" but it's very neutral, stating simple facts. On the other hand, "... that a terrible drone attack terrorized Tel Aviv?" would be unacceptable for its lack of neutrality. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No -- I'm not thinking about NPOV. Perhaps one of the wise sages at DYK knows what I am referring to. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
QPQ: - Not done Overall: Earwig gives " Violation Unlikely, 15.3%". No major problems that I can see. Mhhossein has not yet completed QPQ. VR(Please ping on reply)01:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Vice regent: usually there should be a green tick mark by using {{subst:DYKyes}}, showing the final approval. You did not notice my previous ping due to improper ping by me, sorry. --Mhhosseintalk13:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Article was nominated within 7 days of creation. Unfortunately, it currently sits at 1,354 characters in prose and seems to be a stub, with all information crammed into the lead, so therefore it is too short to qualify for DYK. Earwig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 1%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations so a QPQ is not required at this time. Should this pass, for a different variation of ALT1, I suggest, ALT2: "... that Three Girls Revitalizing Asia is credited with assigning a girl group member a representative role seen in modern Japanese idol culture?" lullabying (talk) 05:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I will change this to maybe. The article still seems like a stub. Is it possible it can be formatted so it can properly have a lead and a body? lullabying (talk) 20:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good! Just to make it more consistent with a lot of idol group articles, I think it would be nice if "Koa sannin musume" was renamed "Career" and the members list was moved below it. Also, Saiko Okuyama's name needs to be in Western order per MOS:JAPAN as she was born after the Meiji Restoration. lullabying (talk) 01:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the opera Christopher Columbus was written by its Jewish composer in 1939 while he was sailing across the Atlantic Ocean to flee persecution from Nazi Germany?
Source: Crawford, Dorothy Lamb (2009). A Windfall of Musicians: Hitler's Émigrés and Exiles in Southern California. Yale University Press. p. 19. ISBN 9780300155488.
Comment: Special occasion holding area request: It would be cool to have this run on either October 8, 2024 (the 85th anniversary of the opera premiere) or on Columbus Day on October 14, 2024.
Created by 4meter4 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 90 past nominations.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: @4meter4: I would support the special occasion request, but per WP:DYKSO those generally can't be made more than 6 weeks out without an exception at WT:DYK. Otherwise, all looks good to me (AGF on the book source). Bsoyka (t • c • g) 17:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Page is new enough, long enough, and QPQ is done. WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely". However, post-2016 CBR is considered an unreliable source per WP:VALNET, and ALT1 uses a primary source. Might I suggest a new hook with better sourcing? Di (they-them) (talk) 12:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Goethe used his unrequited love to Maximiliane Brentano(both pictured) as inspiration for his novel The Sorrows of Young Werther? Source: [27]: "verliebte sich Goethe sofort in ihre Tochter", "In den „Leiden des jungen Werthers“ verschmolz er Maximiliane mit einer anderen frühen Geliebten zur dunkeläugigen, kinderlieben und charakterschönen „Lotte“."
Comment: Other hook ideas welcome. As mother of Clemens Brentano and Bettina von Arnim, Maximiliane is "the mother of German Romanticism" but I don't want a hook focussing only on her children.
Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 55 past nominations.
Page is long enough, was moved to mainspace recently enough, and QPQ is done. WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely". Hook is interesting. I cannot read German, so I will assume good faith on the source. Overall, seems good to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 12:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69; Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT1: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of Jewish challah bread, which may have traveled with Jews expelled from Spain and influenced Ashkenazi cuisine? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
ALT2: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of mofletta, a pancake dish still enjoyed by SephardicMoroccan Jews during Mimouna, a post-Passover celebration? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69
Reviewed:
5x expanded by PeleYoetz (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
I think the word medieval in "medieval Andalusian" is not redundant at all. The term Andalusians also refers to the modern inhabitants of the Spanish autnomous community of Andalusia, distinct from the usage of the term to refer to medieval Al-Andalus in alt1 and alt2. And regarding Medieval Spain, I'm changing it to Islamic Spain to avoid confusion. PeleYoetz (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough (expanded July 30), long enough (6700 B), fully sourced. I was able to access the source and verify the statement, "the oldest of all the known versions of moufleta"; assuming good faith on the source about challah. Hooks interesting, image appetizing. Approving ALT0 and ALT1 to go with the image. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs)18:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: LI, Gang-feng; YAN, Hong-bo; KANG, Ming; WANG, Huan; HE, Zhi-jun; ZHOU, Qiang-ying; ZHANG, Hua-min (19 February 2017). "豆腐柴叶豆腐的加工工艺优化" [Optimization of Processing Technology of Premna microphylla Turcz Leaf Tofu]. 食品研究与开发 (in Chinese). 38 (14): 68–74. doi:10.3969/j.issn.1005-6521.2017.14.015. ISSN1005-6521. Archived from the original on 6 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
ALT1: ... that a Premna microphylla plant (pictured) was an autonomous bonsai for an art installation?
ALT2: ... that the leaves of Premna microphylla(pictured) are used to make a green jelly called Guanyin tofu? Source: LI, Mei-qing; WANG, Yuan-li; DONG, Ming; HE, Jin-ling (2011). "豆腐柴的研究与应用综述" [Summarization of research and application of Premna microphylla Turcz]. Science and Technology of Food Industry (in Chinese) (3): 462–464. doi:10.13386/j.issn1002-0306.2011.03.029. ISSN1002-0306. Archived from the original on 3 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
Starting review. On initial glance I feel the names section needs clean up. Inclusion of non-English vernacular names is a touchy subject with proponents both ways, so I won't outright say the section should be trimmed down. However, each name should not be an individual paragraph, as that's very close to shouting, especially with the bolding. Combining the single sentences into a paragraph will clean up the section and make it more legible.--Kevmin § 00:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article expansion new enough and long enough. Article is well sourced and citations are neutrally presented where verifiable, some chinese and Japanese sources not accessible for me. All hooks are cited and sourced, with Alt2 taken agf. I would have suggested alt2 as the most unique but I cannot access the source. Alt1 is my recommendation, and it could be very interesting if the connection to Etherium blockchaining was added.--Kevmin § 18:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Ten citations were cross-checked for issues—none arose. A machine translator was used for sources in Serbian. Prose was checked for issues; I was alarmed by the lack of "the" before party abbreviations, but it seems that this was intended. The parties' articles, most of which have Good Article status, consistently exclude "the", as if the abbreviations are acronyms. Good to go, overall. Yue🌙00:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough, just long enough. QPQ done. I cannot see where the Caspian is mentioned in the first source. Some of the text seems somewhat closely paraphrased, eg. "In October 2020, he feared for his life and had no choice but to leave" into "In October 2020, Mahdavi was forced to leave Iran out of fear for his life". "felt lucky to arrive in Italy" seems a bit of editorialising. Potential copyedits may reduce this below the DYK limit, however the sources do cover a bit more information about the scholarship, that it pays for training and participation, and that the scholarship did not guarantee participation, so that could be added to slightly lengthen the Olympics section. The plans to move to Moldova to continue wrestling could also be added during copyediting. Good work overall on tracking down the sources though, I wasn't able to find anything else significant in a quick look.On the hooks, ALT1 is a bit boring (and one of the sources does say it was common in the community, not just with his father, so that might also be included). ALT0 is an interesting premise, but probably needs to be rephrased slightly. "...as a refugee boarded a plane in Turkey without knowing the destination..." or similar. Probably also worth mentioning he is an olympian in the hook if there is space? CMD (talk) 03:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: Hey—I really appreciate the in-depth feedback!
Fixed the sourcing issue; the Caspian Sea specifically is mentioned here.
I've attempted to fix the close paraphrasing as you mentioned. (I decided to directly quote, "Luckily for me, it was Italy," to keep that info in there.)
I added a bit more about Mahdavi's future plans and the refugee scholarships (including using a new Olympics.com article on Mahdavi).
I intentionally left ALT0 vague to draw people in, but I understand if you think I made it too vague. Suggesting the following alt hooks:
ALT0a: ... that as a refugee Iman Mahdavi boarded a plane in Turkey, when he didn't know it would fly to Italy?
ALT0b: ... that as a refugee Iman Mahdavi boarded a plane in Turkey, when he didn't know its destination?
Also suggesting the following alt with new info I found on that Olympics.com article (legitimately feel free to tell me it's not particularly interesting—I'm not sure):
Thanks, that's the lucky quote fixed and that paraphrasing. I am less familiar with standard around foreign language paraphrasing, but I would reword the walking on foot sentence as well to be sure. Thanks for explaining ALT0, will leave that for the promoter to decide then. However, for ALT0a and ALT0b, he wasn't an olympic athelete at the time right? ALT2 looks nice as well. CMD (talk) 04:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: Sure! More rewording done. And I suppose you're right that he wasn't an Olympic athlete at the time, so I've removed that word from ALT0a and ALT0b above. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 05:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: 日本の北朝鮮ファンクラブ、「先軍女子」がダンス披露 [Japanese North Korea fan club 'Military First Girls' performs dances]. Reuters (in Japanese). 6 November 2017.
ALT1: ... that fans of the Military-First Girls, a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs, are known as tongmu, meaning 'comrade'? Source: Mao, Yi (4 November 2017). 日本正妹哈北韓 先軍女孩爆紅 [Pretty Japanese girls, North Korea: Military-First Girls become famous]. Liberty Times (in Chinese (Taiwan)).
This is a neat fact, I'll jump on this. Article is new and long enough, and QPQ is met. Reuters is a reliable source and the primary proposed hook is obviously uncontroversial. The first hook is definitely the most direct and interesting, though personally I'd word it in a more attention-grabbing way such as "...that there is a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs?", stating it less as a fact and more as an anecdote. Not a dealbreaker if you prefer it as is though, the hook is perfectly acceptable. My main concern is with the article itself. While it's mostly presentable, seems copyright free, and has adequate sourcing, I'm concerned about the accuracy of its framing of the topic. It calls them a girl group and states they do musical performances of Korean pop. However, most sources (both utilized and other general google results) appear to call them a fan club, and I can only find any reference to them doing dance, not singing. The Reuters sources cited for them performing music has a lot of photos where they appear to be dancing without any apparent microphones, and again calls them a fan club who are dancing. This also seems more consistent with their undefined scope of membership. If they are not in fact a musical act, this is a major flaw in the article and the hook, which directly touches on them as a pop act. Do you have any sources that confirm they do any singing and are considered to be a girl group? LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 05:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LittleLazyLass: The Liberty Times article describes them as a "girl group" (女子團體), but it literally means "girl group" and does not refer to a singing act, specifically. I've also come to realise that my understanding of the term "girl group" differs from the definition given on Wikipedia and in most English-language dictionaries. If a girl group was defined by their performances of or to music as I had understood it, then all the sources given would imply this descriptor. However, since that is not the definition of a girl group, I will adjust the article and propose new hooks tomorrow to remedy the issues you have highlighted. Thank you for your help thus far. Yue🌙07:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much improved! I wouldn't say I see anything wrong with the hook or the article at this point, but I do think the new hook should still include reference to the fact they're Japanese as this is a significant contributor to the fact of them liking North Korean culture being striking. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LittleLazyLass: Thanks again for doing this review. Here's an adjusted hook:
... that in the Gambia, there is a belief that people can summon evil spirits to cause abortions?
Source: [28]In the Gambia the fear that malevolent people will activate evil spirits in order to cause abortion prevents acknowledgement of early pregnancies.
The article is new enough (July 28), long enough (7,946 characters and 1,252 words, per WP:DYKCHECK), and well-sourced. Hook is interesting. QPQ done. Hook reference is a professional medical journal, but paywalled, so accepted in good faith. Jackdude101talkcont01:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Classic Sammi Brie hook with classic Sammi Brie quality. Good work. QPQ done, no copyvios popping up, and hooks look good (though I would like consistent linking of "The Game" in the lead and body). AGF on the source, which looks like a solid RS. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Both hooks and the article look good to me! I edited the linked text in ALT0 slightly. Good work here! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that a researcher called the community on short-lived collaborative writing website One Million Monkeys Typing "astonishingly harmonious"?
Source: Klaiber 2014: "Netiquette styles vary considerably from platform to platform: while the social aesthetics of OMM prove astonishingly harmonious, Protagonize, for instance, seems to allow for more direct critique of creative work."
Article is newly promoted to GA status and long enough. The article is written neutrally, well-sourced, presentable, and BLP-compliant. Earwig detects no plagiarism. The hooks are both cited and interesting, with ALT1 feeling hookier. QPQ has been done. Well done. gobonobo+c01:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that .the orchestra for the opera Oedipus by Wolfgang Rihm(pictured) has no string players except two solo violins playing after the title character blinds himself? Source: Schreiber
ALT2: ... that Wolfgang Rihm(pictured) said about the music of his 1987 opera Oedipus: "Sound is a weapon here – or a scalpel?"? Source: [30]
Overall: I think hook 2 is more interesting here, correct me if I'm wrong, but a live opera seems normal to me, and hook 1 seems a bit too complicated for normal readers. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗11:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fantasy (Las Vegas show)
... that Fantasy is the topless production in Las Vegas with the longest duration at a single venue?
Cited: - y x - the phrase "is" in the hook is not supported by the ref, as the ref is nearly 8 years old
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: The hook problem is also a problem within the text of the article. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C90F:5F27:BE03:9B87 (talk) 18:16, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The 8 November 2016 source says: "Fantasy: Luxor. In its 17th year, Fantasy is the longest-running topless show in Vegas to remain in one location." This 6 March 2023 article says, "Currently the longest-running female revue production on the Las Vegas Strip, the show has been rolling through performances at the Luxor for more than 23 years". This 1 July 2024 article verifies that Fantasy is still performed at the Luxor. Cunard (talk) 21:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - the second ref, added to the first, does it for me.2603:7000:2101:AA00:C90F:5F27:BE03:9B87 (talk) 22:54, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: While earwig indicates 31.0% similarity, a review of the similar language indicates it is largely names and the like. Proposing editor may wish to consider proposing the photo for consideration. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:34AF:AC34:37AD:2505 (talk) 10:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new enough, and each hook is interesting. Reliably sourced. Please rephrase the main hook: ‘not showering’ rather than ‘stopping showering’ would suffice. Cheers, Will Thorpe (talk) 07:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll add further that the second hook is rather long and conveys the same as the first. Definitely better to amend the first hook and go with that, or the last hook. Will Thorpe (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Journal de Montréal (Évelyne Ferron, 19 May 2024) : « D’ailleurs, une de ses photographies les plus célèbres a été prise dans le grand studio montréalais William Notman & Son. Ces photographies sont d’autant plus importantes puisqu’elles sont parmi les dernières prises du grand chef sioux. » (French) = "In fact, one of the most famous photographs [of Sitting Bull] was taken in the great Montreal studio William Notman & Son. These photographs are especially important because they are some of the last ever taken of the great Sioux leader." (English)
Overall: Picture kind of blurry but accepted for historical reasons. The source is accepted in good faith because the source is French. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗11:22, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that around the age of four, Jacob von Eggers(pictured) was deported to Arkhangelsk in Russia together with the entire German-speaking population of Tartu? Source: In Hohrath, 1999 (in German): "Als im Frühjar 1708 die deutschsprachige Bürgerschaft Dorpats deportiert wurde, gelangte der Dreijåhrige mit seiner Mutter nach Archangelsk". Note that other sources claim he was four, or around four, so I've written "around four".
Article is new, and long enough. No copyvio issues in English language. The hook is interesting, and cited in a reliable source. The author has recently completed a QPQ review. Nice job! Chaiten1 (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drukqs
Aphex Twin performing in 2008
... that Aphex Twin(pictured) never intended to release Drukqs and only did so because he accidentally left an MP3 player on a plane?
... that despite the risk of being arrested in France, Sophie Kropotkin and her husband returned to the country, as they thought detention in a French prison would be preferable to living in England?
Overall: As a Brit, I think the first suggestion is more "hooky" than the ALTs. Should the cite in article be moved to the end of the relevant sentence, according to DYK rules? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Article is new enough, well sourced, hook is interesting and QPQ is completed. I don't see anything that would hold this back from DYK, so I approve. TheBritinator (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I didn't know what the song was, I would have no clue. My best guess (haha) would be an article about a publicity stunt or charity program by the artists. DYK hooks shouldn't require special knowledge (WP:DYKINT) — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 03:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Dutton, Telford Paul; Zolho, Roberto (1990). Conservation Master Plan for the Sustained Development of the Bazaruto Archipelago (PDF) (Report). WWF. p. 3
ALT1: ... that some sand dunes on Bazaruto Island reach a height of 90 m (300 ft)? Source: Cooper, J. Andrew G.; Pilkey, Orrin H. (2002). "The Barrier Islands of Southern Mozambique". Journal of Coastal Research. 36:. doi:10.2112/1551-5036-36.sp1.164. p. 171
ALT2: ... that thousands of refugees fled to Bazaruto Island during the Mozambican Civil War? Source: Pilkey, Orrin H.; Fraser, Mary Edna (2003). A Celebration of the World's Barrier Islands p. 176
... that in 1949 the UK's National Hospital Service Reserve(recruiting poster pictured) began recruiting volunteers to form a reserve of medically-trained personnel in case of war?
ALT1: ... that the British National Hospital Service Reserve(recruiting poster pictured) trained volunteers to carry out first aid in the aftermath of a nuclear or chemical attack? Source: "NHSR members attended training sessions and exercises with scenarios and casualty simulations, practising their first aid skills for a potential war which might involve nuclear or chemical weapons." from: "National Hospital Service Reserve helmet". British Red Cross collection online. Retrieved 26 July 2024.
Overall: a) There is a "newness" problem, but perhaps you can explain it. b) I prefer Alt 1. c) as to the image, note that: "You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use." 2603:7000:2101:AA00:5DFC:4931:AA8F:8FB5 (talk) 22:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP, thanks for the review. Sorry, this got mistakenly listed as "created" on 6 August. It should actually be "moved to mainspace" on that date. It was previously worked on in my userspace and was moved to mainspace on 6 August in this edit. This scenario is covered at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines#Newness "For DYK purposes, an article is considered new if, within the last seven days the article has been ... moved from userspace or draftspace into mainspace". As to the image the license, origin and changes is available on the image page, this is reachable by clicking on it which has always been considered "reasonable" on Wikipedia. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your thoughtful and calm explanation. This sounds good to me - I'll just ask the promoter to double check me on it (since I'm not expert in this area), but I'll approve it. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F1DD:10BF:ED62:6A15 (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slim Pickins
... that due to a lack of good men, Sabrina Carpenter settles for someone who does not know the difference between "their", "there", and "they are" in her song "Slim Pickins"?
How does the source verify either of the hooks? The "lack of good men" part checks out, but the "their"/"there" etc. part is just referencing the lyrics. This is drawing a conclusion that the article doesn't state. Songs are often works of fiction, so I'm not comfortable with making these statements without a proper source. What's in the hook comes off as somewhere between synthesis and original research. I honestly have no idea what ALT1 means and its certainly not referenced in the article. The article only has the line "moanin' and bitchin'" and doesn't infer that Carpenter serves it in the kitchen: the lyrics do.
I dislike the links. It's unclear to most readers except a few pop-culture stans that "a lack of good men" and "moanin' and bitchin'" will link to a Carpenter song. (MOS:EASTEREGG)
Furthermore, I have doubts about the reliability of Capital. More than anything, it seems like a radio station, not a publication. The article comes off as somewhat sensationalist and low-quality. I can't find much on the author's credibility. Can you make a case for this source?
PerfectSoundWhatever I have seen a lot of SZA songs, like this one for example, run with the article linked to the lyrics' text. The author of the Capital article did music journalism for MTV UK ([34], [35], [36], [37]) which is generally considered a high quality source. In any case, the hooks just pertain to lyrics which can be heard in videos shared in more reliable sources like NME and The Line of Best Fit. Here's
Overall: @Bsoyka: Good work on the article! I prefer ALT0 over the rest of the hooks. I do have the board game, so hopefully I don't have a COI :p ~ TailsWx02:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that the Bergdorf Goodman Building's architecture was intended to evoke the design of the Cornelius Vanderbilt II House, which it replaced? Source: "Real Estate in City and Suburbs: $5,000,000 Vanderbilt Corner Lease Bergdorf & Goodman Co. Rents Building Planned for Fifth Ave. and 58th St. Part of Chateau Site". New York Herald Tribune. March 12, 1927. p. 24.
ALT3: ... that Bergdorf Goodman originally did not want its store to become a New York City landmark because of concerns over tenants and mortgages? Source: Dash, Earl A. (March 25, 1971). "Broadway-Hale Buys Bergdorf's: Goodman Talked To Marcus,Liked Deal N-M Got: The Same Family". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 122, no. 58. pp. 1, 11.
Source: Stadt Zürich, Amt für Städtebau (June 2014), "Liebfrauen", Katholische Kirchen der Stadt Zürich. Bestandesverzeichnis Denkmalpflege der Stadt Zürich [Catholic Churches in the City of Zurich: Inventory of Monument Preservation in the City of Zurich] (PDF) (in German), pp. 72–74. To quote: "Der Landkauf an der Weinbergstrasse 1891 ist indirekt verknüpft mit der Frage nach dem Standort des neuen Landesmuseums. Für einen Entscheid zugunsten von Zürich müssen die katholischen Stände gewonnen werden: das Angebot ist, den Kauf des gewünschten Grundstücks zu ermöglichen."
Substantial interesting article on a church on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I approve the hook but confess that I think the deal and the museum are not of core interest to this building. How about the Italianate style to distinguish from the other denominations? - In the hook, I suggest to say Zürich (piped, now that the article was moved), because it matches the German name of the church, and there's no confusion possible. In the article, please check for repetitions of the word "church", - not needed twice in one sentence. I suggest to mention the dedication instead of what is named a literal translation of the name (which it isn't). - I added the formality of "pictured" to the hook. The image is licensed, and with the current hook the only idea of what the place is like ;) - I shortened the caption: no need for a description of what we see anyway. The simple decoration first, due to funding problems, might also be a hook possibility. Think about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Gerda! I changed Zurich to Zürich and removed repetition of the word "church". I wrote the original hook because I found this political maneuver very funny. Based on your suggestions I offer the following alternative hook:
ALT1: ... that the Catholic Liebfrauenkirche, Zürich(pictured) was designed with Italian influences and dedicated to Mary, Mother of God to distinguish itself from other denominations?
Pescatore, Flurina; Winzeler, Marius (1997). Die katholische Pfarrkirche Liebfrauen in Zürich [The Catholic Parish Church of Liebfrauen in Zurich]. Schweizerische Kunstführer (Swiss Art Guide) (in German). Bern: Gesellschaft für schweizerische Kunstgeschichte (Society for Swiss Art History). p. 12. ISBN 3-85782-612-6.
Thank you, and I see that I was not clear. The dedication thingy was for the article, not the hook. I would not translate Liebfrauenkirche, but speak about the dedication in the introduction. Is it simply the name? Then it could be Mary, mother of Jesus. Or is there a German phrase such as Muttergottes in the dedication? - Please try an ALT with just the style to distinguish, - DYK wants things simple ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps: I agree that the deal fact is funny, but without context, I think less so. The way it's phrases you'd get clicks for cantons, a museum and the reformed church rather than your topic (and all these are not funny). Word order is much better in the ALT. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again, Gerda. Here you go:
ALT1b: ... that the Catholic Liebfrauenkirche, Zürich, (pictured) was designed with Italian influences to distinguish itself from other denominations?
As for the dedication (in the article), I translated this article from de-wiki, and I don't have access to the original sources. The dedication / patron saint was briefly mentioned in the "Origins" section ("The choice ... was made in consultation with the priests and the Bishop of Chur"). I have modified the lede as much as the information in the body paragraph permits. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. My wording would be
ALT1c: ... that the Catholic Liebfrauenkirche in Zürich (pictured) was designed with Italian influences to distinguish it from churches of other denominations?
... that a 1917 agreement between France and Russia to support each others' post-war territorial ambitions was rendered void within days due to the February Revolution?
Source: "one of the last acts of the Tsarist government was to agree with the French (11 March 1917) that, in return for recognising their claims to Alsace-Lorraine and the right to fix the eastern frontier, Russia received the right to determine her own western limits, that is, to include as much of Poland as she could reconquer, Fortunately this bargain did not survive the revolution of March 1917" from: Reddaway, W. F.; Penson, J. H.; Halecki, O.; Dyboski, R. (15 September 2016). The Cambridge History of Poland. Cambridge University Press. p. 485. ISBN 978-1-316-62003-8.
Overall: I'm not sure I can support ALT1 because this seems like it could be a POV interpretation. The designation of territories as "Poland", "Russia", etc. was a key controversy in boundary disputes. I think the original hook is best. (t · c) buidhe00:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Henry Charles Swan
... that Henry Charles Swan, a law graduate at Oxford, spent more than 25 years living on a yacht in a stream in New Zealand?
... that the uniform of the Hong Kong contingent of the Submarine Mining Service was designed by future British Army Lieutenant-General George Macdonogh(pictured)?
Source: "George Macdonough, who designed the uniform for the unit in 1891, recalled that he based his design on 'that then worn by the Chinese Army" from: Kwong, Chi Man (2022). Hong Kongers in the British Armed Forces, 1860-1997. Oxford University Press. p. 40. ISBN 978-0-19-284574-0.
ALT1: ... that in 1896 the Hong Kong Telegraph described the local detachment of the Submarine Mining Service as the only company of the British Army to wear a silk uniform? Source: "The Hong Kong Telegraph commented in 1896, 'Hongkongites have just reason to be proud of possessing the only company in the British Army clothed in silk, which distinction is enjoyed by the local Chinese Company of Sappers, their "full dress" being composed of that material ... . By emphasising the use of silk in the uniform of the Hong Kong submarine miners, the writer intentionally or unintentionally strengthened the hierarchy of races with the white men on top" from the same page as ALT0
Overall: 1. I prefer ALT1. 2. DAB Chatham, and inline Portsmouth and Plymouth. 3. Not clear what a mortar boat is, but we have no wp article on it. 4. "in later life" is ambiguous in the image caption - later than what? 5. I think it's fine that the newspaper was likely incorrect, as this is a hook and accurate as to what was written by the paper. 6. I'm partial to the Oxford comma, but not everyone is, so I've not touched that, though I have made some copyedits. 7. I gatjer that the hook is likely supported by the ref following the sentence with the quote in the article, but perhaps it is good form to place the ref at the end of that particular sentence as well, given that it is the hook sentence. 8. I can't do a copyvio check, as the sources are not freely publicly available, so - promoter tell me if the rule is otherwise, - I assume i have to accept that there is no copyvio on good faith. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:D997:A770:F85:5F4D (talk) 04:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review and improvements to the article. I've made an edit to the article that I hope addresses all your comments, but let me know if any issues. I have linked gunboat for mortar boat, they would likely have been of the Arrow, Gleaner or Dapper class vessels but not sure which - Dumelow (talk) 07:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article was made on the 8th, so is new enough. At almost 1700 characters, it is long enough. The article properly uses in-line citations and the copyvio detector finds no issues from the sources used. The hook is interesting and properly cited in-line in the article. No QPQ is required. Looks good to go! SilverserenC22:07, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Rash, David A. (2014). "Donald MacKay". In Ochsner, Jeffery Karl (ed.). Shaping Seattle Architecture: A Historical Guide to the Architects (2nd ed.). University of Washington Press. pp. 40–45.
Hi Generalissima, review follows; article created 9 August and exceeds minimum length; article is well written; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources for the subject matter; I didn't pick up any issues with close paraphrasing from the two online sources, AGF on the other two; hook fact is interesting and mentioned in the article, AGF on offline source; QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Looks good – the only thing is I believe there needs to be a citation directly after the sentences assignment editor Matt Zaleski later told The Blade, "That's when my reaction was, 'My God, I've got a front-row seat to a train wreck.'" and During this time, the news department operated out of a leased double-wide trailer parked next to the studio building, which continued for three years (from 1977 to 1980). as they're the hooks. Otherwise fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that children's museum La Nube(pictured) caught on fire during its construction? Source: Golden, Lianna (2023-03-14). "Safety concerns surrounding cloud shape of La Nube children's museum arise after fire". KDBC. El Paso, Texas. Retrieved 2024-08-08. Safety concerns surrounding the structure of the La Nube children's museum in downtown El Paso are surfacing after the building caught on fire Monday.
Overall: The article was moved to mainspace on August 10, 2024. It has a prose size of 3343 characters. Each paragraph in the body of the article has at least one reference. WP:EARWIG did not find any copyvios. QPQ was done. The hook is cited, interesting, and not too long. I'm not sure that the term "curator" is correct in this context. Does one of the sources use it? Or should it be "supplier"? I suggest adding a short description. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Curator seemed like the closest term to explain what the Royal warrant had her doing. She was in charge of going through and deciding the lighting fixtures and accompaniments for all the lighting in Buckingham Palace (and for any of the Royal's homes that requested it). Supplier would imply she just handed over pieces from her shop, but her involvement seemed to be more than that. How about this, I made some changes to what terms were in the hook, going with the term actually used directly by the reference. Is that better, Phlsph7? SilverserenC15:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. I was considering whether "was made" should be replaced with "became" but I don't think it makes much of a difference so I'll leave it to your judgement. Approved.
Overall: All looks good! Was very interesting reading about Bryson and I think the hook will grab people as well. DYK is often wary about publishing hooks about "firsts" but the cited source seems to be pretty clear about this. Grnrchst (talk) 11:39, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "A pier in Morecambe was damaged, and a train in Cumbria was blown over." from: "1903 Ulysses Storm among windiest ever in British Isles". BBC News. 24 April 2023. Retrieved 9 August 2024. The other source in the article details that the pier was broken in two places, which I think is enough for the qualifier "badly"
ALT1: ... that the 1903 Storm Ulysses(damage pictured) was so named because its effects were described in James Joyce's novel of the same name? Source: "Storm Ulysses is so called because it inspired a passage in James Joyce's famous novel Ulysses." from same source as above
I think the image is by T. H. Stephenson, who is probably dead for over 70 years. (Compare the signature here). So it might be PD in the UK?
New enough, long enough, not copyvio (Earwig just finds direct quotes which are OK). Sourced nicely and neutral, no other policy issues. Hooks are sourced and interesting. I personally prefer ALT0 because we don't seem to have information on who called it "Ulysses". The image is just about OK at the size, certainly PD in the US and probably PD in the UK. QPQ has been done. —Kusma (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I got carried away. I was copyediting the article myself and then realized that I was getting too involved to be objective. I'd like another reviewer. BorgQueen (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks mainly good. I also verified the source and added an explicit mention of black magic into the article body per that source. I don't like that the coven mention is confined only to the lead, where it is unreferenced, and I don't see that word used in the source. I might recommend removing it, or I'm open to hearing a counterargument. Ed[talk][OMT]02:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything checks out! Skyshiftertalk 04:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 an end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer 10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
I've given the History section a trim mostly for concision, but this should be good to go.--Launchballer 12:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Needs a copyedit for poor grammar. The "Observances" section is not supported by the source, which states what happened in 2019, not what must happen every year. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
Nice work on a neglected topic! BorgQueen (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Substantial interesting GA of a Swedish-Dutch person writing in French, on fine sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I like the original hook best because it includes the image of his work, which is licensed and gives an idea of both the period and his main topic. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
I want to suggest linking "an entertainment agency" and "its only artist" to their respective articles, but not sure if that would be overlinking. Just a thought—otherwise all looks good. I prefer ALT0, just waiting for QPQ now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
consensus on the talkpage is that this article is not notable and it has been PRODed. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 03:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Reviewing... Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Once we fix that minor quote/sourcing issue, all looks good to me! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 14:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Article was nominated within 7 days of creation. Unfortunately, it currently sits at 1,354 characters in prose and seems to be a stub, with all information crammed into the lead, so therefore it is too short to qualify for DYK. Earwig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 1%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations so a QPQ is not required at this time. Should this pass, for a different variation of ALT1, I suggest, ALT2: "... that Three Girls Revitalizing Asia is credited with assigning a girl group member a representative role seen in modern Japanese idol culture?" lullabying (talk) 05:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
