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@Pepperbeast:, first of all, please read WP:AGF. Secondly, can you explain to me why you believe removing an extraneous word from an image caption and making it consistent with the lead and the name of the linked article is vandalism? Why do you believe that the word has to be in the caption? noq (talk) 22:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I never said it was vandalism. However, there is an almost continuous trickle of anti-Ahmadiyya editing in Wikipedia, and I'm very alert to anything that looks like distancing of Ahmadiyya from Islam. There is no real reason to remove the word Muslim from the Qadian article. PepperBeast (talk) 00:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pepperbeast: You never said it was vandalism - just used a level 1 vandalism template on my talk page. The word is not used in the lead so why is it needed in the caption - the reason to remove it is consistency - you have not given a reason to keep it. The link with Islam is in the linked article - that article does not deem it necessary to use the word muslem in the article title so again, why needed in an image caption. These should be kept short and are not a place for detailed content. noq (talk) 08:58, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Noq,

I have seen you action, moving Draft:Atoms_&_Eden into draft. You asked for more reference. I am ready to accommodate, but be specific: what references you need? Atoms & Eden is a simple page, it is mainly about the existence of the book, which can be confirmed through the references/data/info I have provided - a small, but proper encyclopedia article. I will add references, but tell me what.

Laszlo.makay (talk) 07:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Laszlo.makay: For a wikipedia page to exist it must the notability guidelines for books using WP:significant coverage in WP:reliable sources that are not connected with the book. Existence on its own is not enough to justify a page. The article here just has a link to the publishers web page on it. This is not independent. noq (talk) 11:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: So the problem is the notability and independent sources. Thank you, understood. Laszlo.makay (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: I have updated the draft article with both sources and info on notability and submitted for review. Laszlo.makay (talk) 22:44, 27 June 2020 (CET)

@Laszlo.makay: I would be surprised if tht would be expected. You need to show WP:significant coverage in WP:reliable sources that are independent of the subject. At the moment, none of the references are independent. I don't see any tht talk about the book that the article is supposed to be about. noq (talk) 20:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for reviewing a recent article I put up. Can you please move it out of the draft space?

I believe it has sufficient citations and meets the guidelines.

The article title is: Andrew_Nash_Gifford

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The previous editor stated:

{{AFC submission|d|reason|Suggest you merge content from here into the Ofala festival article noted, and then do a spinout|u=Eaghadiuno|ns=118|decliner=Hasteur|declinets=20200421213949|ts=20200113205010}} <!-- Do not remove this line! -->

You did the merge but where is the spinout?

These are two separate Festival, even though they are simply in origin, you continue to generalize Ofala Festival as Ofala Onitsha. It has been almost a year trying to explain that to you and just when it seems someone got it, you delete the page.

Ofala Festival is a generic name for a similar festival all over the east of Nigeria. It is akin to you saying Beer Festival should be the name of all Beer Festival worldwide. No, these types of festivals are unique in some areas and have their own identity. OFALA ONITSHA is a special type of OFALA FESTIVAL and it is a Nationally recognized festival in Nigeria. There are other Ofala Festivals in Nnewi, Obosi, Uhuru, etc. These are not Ofala Onitsha which has its own unique flavor, logo, its king and subjects, and more.

Please do understand that Ofala Onitsha is a Separate entity and deserves its own page. Kindly restore.

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Eaghadiuno 04:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eaghadiuno: The significant part of what the previous reviewer said was "SUBMISSION DECLINED" - They suggested merging content with the existing article on the festival that as you state is held in many places. You say this is different - why? Is it completely unrelated or basically the same with minor differences? Why should it have a separate article to all the other such festivals? The only claim to uniqueness is the claim to be firstnoq (talk) 10:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: Thank you for your prompt response. Again, if you do take the time to read and compare, you will see significant differences, and what you have as Ofala Festival is actually Ofala ONITSHA festival. It is not exactly the same as in other areas as mentioned in the first paragraph Ofala_Festival. I will explain again using an example of a Jazz Festival. This does not describe New Orleans Jazz Festival or London Jazz Festival. Yes, they all play Jazz but they unique Musician, Location, flavors/style, etc. What Wikipedia is doing here is to generalize OFALA FESTIVAL as one broad Festival. No, it is not. Here are a few differences:

Ofala Onitsha:

1. Nationally Recognized By the Government

2. Celebrated exclusively in Onitsha

3. Celebrated By the kind of Onitsha: OBI NNAEMEKA ACHEBE

4. Has its own Identity, Iconograph, and more.

5. Celebrated at the Ime Obi (Unique Palace of the Obi of Onitsha) This is equivalent to Buckingham Palace for Onitsha people.

6. Celebrated every October. Other Ofala Festivals are not in October.

I hope I have explained enough to make you understand wholly and permit the spinout page as indicated by the previous editor. It has been one long year.

Eaghadiuno 14:23, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eaghadiuno: I am still not seeing anything that stands out. To address some of your points specifically, The Ofala Festival article says they oocur in early October. Saying the Onitsha festival occurs in Onitsha adds nothing. Saying someone celebrates it does nothing to convince me it needs a standalone article. "Has its own identity, iconograph etc" says nothing, recognized by the government - how and is it the only one? Reading the Ofala Festival article covers most of what you say is unique - and did before your your addition to it. There is no other location mentioned in the main article and nothing there that contradicts anything you have put in your version. noq (talk) 15:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: I listed at list 6 differences. The draft you deleted is unique to Onitsha. Your original Ofala Festival describes Onitsha style Ofala Festival. You have used it to generalize all Ofala Festivals.

Tell me, is Ofala Onitsha the same as Ofala in Nnewi, or Ofala in Obosi, etc? Completely different locations, different King, different styles of performing their Ofala. Yes, the location matters! It's the difference between Jazz Festival in London and the Jazz festival In Paris Or New Orleans. The style and flavor are different. As I mentioned, you have at least 6 differences I have listed. You absolutely want to keep fighting the obvious. Not sure why. Even the previous editor instructed a spinout. I have used the most basic examples using Jazz Festivals. Yet, you close your mind to these. Not sure what else you want. You are smart enough to spot the idea behind the request to identify Ofala Onitsha as a Unique and different TYPE of Ofala Festival. Added to it all the other differences listed, I more than think it qualifies for its own page. BTW, I have seen less on standalone pages within Wikipedia. Google Ofala Festival and you will see online, Onitsha Ofala Festival mostly. It does not represent Ofala Festivals elsewhere, period. Lastly, Only Onitsha Ofala Festival occurs in October. Others celebrate much later.

Tell me, what more do you need to make you guys approve Ofala Onitsha as its own page?

@Eaghadiuno: Show me where any of those places are mentioned in the Ofala Festival page? Onitsha is, but where else is? You are not compering like with like - how is the Onitsha festival different from the festival at [[Ofale Festival given that the only place they name in the article is Onitsha? The details in that article match your differences rather than contradict them. Where in that article does it say something that does not apply to the Onitsha festival? You are so convinced that it needs an article on its own that you are not seeing clearly that the existing article is mostly about that festival and always has been, while acknowledging that other festivals exist. I really cannot see where the style and flavour is different as nowhere else is talked about. Also, please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. noq (talk) 17:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: The very first paragraph clear states it " The Ofala Festival is an annual ceremony practiced by Igbo people, particularly the indigenes of Onitsha, Umueri, Umuoji and other neighboring communities such as Aguleri, Nnewi and Ukpo in Dunukofia Local Government Area.^[1] "

The rest of your that Ofala Festival page simply references Ofala Onitsha. So you might as well change that page to Ofala Onitsha. Umueri, Umuoji, Aguleri, Nnewi, Ukpo are not Onitsha people. They have they own king or Obi, their custom and unique way of doing their Ofala Festival. It is not the same as Onitsha Ofala. The only commonality is that it is a Yam Festival. You made my point too, nowhere else is talked about on that page, so you do them a disservice by publishing that Onitsha Ofala and its procedures are the same at these places. Google Ofala Nnewi and you will see results for Nnewi. Completely different from Onitsha. The festival is held in December or January. https://www.nnewi.info/ofala-festival

@Eaghadiuno: So rather than create another article, expand the current article to point out the differences (with references) as well as similarities. This would be more useful to an encyclopaedia than duplicating most of an article just because the opening paragraph mentions some others. noq (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: You completely miss the point and each time I point out your error in deleting the page, you immediately present a new argument. Please restore the page. It explains in details what Onitsha Ofala is all about and the peculiarities of it. Within Wikipedia, you have a page for Jazz Festivals and another for New Orleans Jazz, right? Accord us Africans the same privilege. I am not sure what your problem is in understanding simple things like this. Perhaps you wish to pass it to another Editor for review since it is clear you are hell-bent on rejection, even if it helps Wikipedia users. Do the spinout as instructed earlier and move along to other more important pages elsewhere.

@Eaghadiuno: I am trying to find ways to get the content you consider important into the encyclopaedia. You continually reject any of my compromise suggestions and blame me for that. Wikipedia is built on WP:consensus and not everyone will agree all details. The existing article is mostly about the festival you want to write about and mentions in passing others - without going into any detail. Adding another article about the same festival does not seem to be useful. If the existing article was developed to include details of all the other festivals of the same name showing similarities and differences I think it would be a useful addition to wikipedia. If that article was expanded to such a size that it got unwieldy then splitting the article into sub articles would make sense however, as it stands that is not the case. The article is substantially about the same festival so adding another article about it at this time does not make sense. noq (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Noq: You continuously refer to the Festival as the same Festival. The entire discussion has been to prove the difference between the them all. I have simplified it to the most basic, using simple examples. Yet you insist that OFALA FESTIVAL, a generic description of a Festival is the same as OFALA Onitsha. It is not the same.

Differences:

Ofala Onitsha:

1. Nationally Recognized By the Government

2. Celebrated exclusively in Onitsha

3. Celebrated led by the King of Onitsha: OBI NNAEMEKA ACHEBE

4. Has its own Identity, Iconograph, and more. which is peculiar to Onitsha

5. Celebrated at the Ime Obi (Unique Palace of the Obi of Onitsha) This is equivalent to Buckingham Palace for Onitsha people.

6. Celebrated every October. Other Ofala Festivals are not in October.

7. Interpretation of the Ofala Onitsha by Onitsha is different

8. Methods and ceremonies for the celebration are different.

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Read below and create a page or merge. Below is uniquely Ofala Onitsha, which you have attributed to other kingdoms. I give up on explaining to you. Will petition Wikipedia directly. Thank you for your time.

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Ofala Onitsha^[2] is the indigenous Ofala Festival held by indigenes of Onitsha, Nigeria. It is usually held in October and is the highpoint of the Onitsha ceremonial cycle. Although Ofala Festival is common to many Ibo tribes, Onitsha Ofala is rather unique since it is believed to be the first Ofala^[3] in the Igbo tribe^[4].

Onitsha Ofala festival revolves around the Obi of Onitsha and is an occasion for the monarch to fulfill certain obligations which include a celebration by the monarch and his subjects of the monarch’s annual emergence from seclusion, is incommunicado and undergoes spiritual cleansing for the good of the Onitsha community. Thereafter, the obi emerges from seclusion and blesses his subjects whilst praying for the community.^[5]

Onitsha Indigenes believe that the Ofala Onitsha is a reenactment of the joy which the previous monarch shared with his subjects at the discovery that Yam, a staple Onitsha food, is non-toxic, and a valuable source of food^[6]. It is equally an opportunity for the monarch, following his seclusion to review his army and obtain the assurance of loyalty from his generals who are the Redcap chiefs (Ndichie). Given that in the past days, the monarch was rarely seen in public, the Ofala provided an opportunity for his subjects to catch a glimpse of him and to pay homage to the monarch. This practice continues to this day. The Ofala experience, which is a display of royal dances, tributes, parades, and music, runs over two days. ^[7]

The first day of the Ofala Onitsha is called Iru Ofala. The Obi is the center of attention on this day and he comes out wearing his full regalia, including the popular colorful headgear, then parades the arena of his palace on three different occasions in full view of all present. He also dances to the beat of the war drums. The second day of Ofala Onitsha is called Azu Ofala involved the indigenes of Onitsha. These comprise of the various age-grade societies^[8] in their very colorful uniforms. Each society dances past the throne room, paying homage to the monarch.^[9]

The Ofala Onitsha has grown in popularity in terms of its social glamour and its intrinsic meaning for indigenes of Onitsha, attracting worldwide attention, including enjoying the benefit of partnerships with popular organizations and Institutions, which have helped greatly in highlighting and elevating Onitsha to the world.^[10]

Ofala Onitsha has been recognized as an asset to the Nigerian Tourism ecosystem that can eventually become a regional and global cultural event.^[11] The recent Onitsha Ofala Festival features an art exhibition, as well as a symposium on creativity involved with Ofala Onitsha. ^{[12] [13]}