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#:::Your prerogative, but are you saying that you are, in effect, voting against a candidate because of the comments of one of her supporters? -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 04:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
#:::Your prerogative, but are you saying that you are, in effect, voting against a candidate because of the comments of one of her supporters? -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 04:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
#::::I am not confident in the candidate's objectivity with regards to article inclusion based on her participation concerning the episode and character debate. I am always open-minded to fair and polite discussion about differences of opinion and again if being an admin is "not a big deal" than being opposed for adminship is hardly anything people should ever get upset over. Were someone to ever hope to persuade me to change my mind or to convince me that the candidate will be fair, I am always open to friendly discussion, but the snide remark I linked to above are not what accomplishes such a decision, especially when I am incredibly unlikely to ever make as an initial oppose vote a commentary on someone's support vote. Imagine if I went through challenging all of the support votes! If editors want to support or oppose a candidate, the votes of others in those discussions should not concern them. So, no, I am still not convinced of the candidate's reasoning in certain discussions regarding article inclusion, although I encourage her to continue to fight vandalism and hopefully help build articles. Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 04:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
#::::I am not confident in the candidate's objectivity with regards to article inclusion based on her participation concerning the episode and character debate. I am always open-minded to fair and polite discussion about differences of opinion and again if being an admin is "not a big deal" than being opposed for adminship is hardly anything people should ever get upset over. Were someone to ever hope to persuade me to change my mind or to convince me that the candidate will be fair, I am always open to friendly discussion, but the snide remark I linked to above are not what accomplishes such a decision, especially when I am incredibly unlikely to ever make as an initial oppose vote a commentary on someone's support vote. Imagine if I went through challenging all of the support votes! If editors want to support or oppose a candidate, the votes of others in those discussions should not concern them. So, no, I am still not convinced of the candidate's reasoning in certain discussions regarding article inclusion, although I encourage her to continue to fight vandalism and hopefully help build articles. Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 04:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
#:::Fair enough; thank you for taking the time and having the patience to explain your reasoning, and thanks for taking part in the process! -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 04:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


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Seraphim Whipp

Voice your opinion (talk page) (33/1/0); Scheduled to end 21:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Seraphim Whipp (talk · contribs) - I am honored to be able to nominate User:Seraphim Whipp for adminship. Seraphim has been a wikipedia editor since the end of January 2007, and in her 13 months with wikipedia has amassed over 7500 edits spanning almost every area of wikipedia. Seraphim is a committed vandal fighter; my first interactions with her related to performing range blocks to cover recidivist banned trolls. Be it through WP:AIV, admin talk pages, or otherwise, she has proven to be a strong resource protecting the project, and will be greatly helped in this endeavor with the admin tools. Seraphim has contributed to the project in many other ways as well. She has submitted a number of images, and understands our free and fair use image policies—another area in which she can help the project. She has contributed at various AfD's, demonstrating an understanding of that process as well. Lastly, but certainly not leastly, she is admirably civil, actually, downright friendly, a pleasure to work with, and an example of how editors should behave. I think she would make a wonderful admin, one who would defend the project in a manner that is polite, respectful, but firm, and I am honored to submit her name for adminship. -- Avi (talk) 16:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by Rudget - I am sincerely pleased to present Seraphim Whipp up for your approval for the administrative tools. I have now crossed paths with her on many occasions and I am consistently impressed with Whipp's (which is being used as an alternative for convenience) demeanour, knowledge, diligence, clue and overall grace - on par with ArielGold or Nancy. She has improved the average edits per month recently and has become more involved and enthusiastic about the project as a whole, with a sincere regard for what the community stands for. Her overall character is encouraging and as for the reports made to AIV - it has now got to the point where we can be overly confident about the process that she has processed them through, applying the correct level of warning, user is active now etc. I am mostly in agreement with Avraham here, because to be honest, he puts it best. I have recognised her importance as an important mainspace contributor and a vandal-fighter, with the term taking on a new definition here. I too, am honoured to submit my 12th candidate for consideration and am in eager anticipation for the outcome of this RFA. Regards, Rudget. 20:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by Sceptre - I was going to nominate her myself in a few weeks. I can't really say anything bad about the candidate - she's commited to vandalwhacking, she's got experience in articles, has an extensive knowledge of our policies and guidelines, and overall, I am utterly convinced that she will do the right thing™ if she gets the tools, like she does now, and with a massive air of civility that is normally mutually exclusive with cluebatting users. Will (talk) 21:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you all. I accept. Seraphim♥ Whipp 17:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?
A: As an editor in good standing, I follow the process set out at Wikipedia:Deletion process#Non-administrators closing discussions and so take part in some admin work already, such as closing AfD's and MfD's; having the technical ability to delete a page will be extremely useful. I also intend to put the tools to good use at WP:AIV, although I might be a bit slow at it at first :).
After watching the activity at WP:RFPP and WP:AN/I, I feel confident that I could put admin tools to good use in those places. I also deal with images so I hope to be a useful resource over there. There are also areas like WP:AN/3RR and other areas in CAT:AB that I'd work on after gaining a bit more experience by watching other admins.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: In terms of content, I would say that some of the renovations to album articles are among my best contributions, such as Walk It Off, which I initially speedied for lack of context. The article I consider the best of my contributions is the article, Made in the Dark, which I expanded fivefold for DYK and am currently in the process of getting to GA status. I've also mediated a few disputes and I think those contributions are very worthwhile because I'm contributing towards a peaceful and harmonious environment. I think mediation also allows me to learn lessons from other people's disputes.
Finally, reverting vandalism, welcoming users and helping to mentor new editors are also among the contributions I've made that I value.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: I've been in few conflicts in my time here. In my first months here I was blocked for 3RR. It's a year on from that dispute and whilst I deeply regret that incident and the way I behaved, I think it was the most valuable lesson in civility. I believe that gaining knowledge from a conflict and then putting it behind you is vital. Also if it's viable, make amends with the person you were in a dispute with. Generally speaking, if I find a situation stressful, I just try to stay calm and logical. I won't click “save page” unless I'm sure that that what I've said is civil. In the future, I would maintain this response.

Optional Questions from - Milk's Favorite Cookie

4. When should you apply a cool-down block?
5. What is the difference between a ban and a block?
6. Would you add yourself to WP:AOR? Why or why not?

'Question from Maxim(talk)'

7. Any relation to User:Seraphimblade? I thought it was you (renamed) and I was throughly surprised to see you at RfA? A coincidence perhaps (just wanting to clarify, and frankly a few laughs never hurt (except the ribs, if you laugh too hard :D ))
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General comments


Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Seraphim Whipp before commenting.

Discussion

Support
  1. Support as nominator. -- Avi (talk) 16:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per co-nom. Rudget. 20:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Co-nom support Will (talk) 21:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  4. She looks great to me. Acalamari 21:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Excellent contributor and will use the tools well. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support yep. —αἰτίας discussion 21:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support - Absolutely. Meets my criteria of balance and versatility almost perfectly. Wisdom89 (T / C) 21:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support - Consistent contributions to articles, vandal fighting, ANI, etc. Looks trustworthy, too. κaτaʟavenoTC 21:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support good editor; I thought she was already an admin.   jj137 (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support. Mrprada911 (talk) 21:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support good contribs...good luck! --Camaeron (talk) 21:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Support: I've seen good things from this user. I don't see any reason for concern, and I think she'll do good work with the tools. Keep up the good work. MastCell Talk 21:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Support Looked at some contributions and can't see any problems. Davewild (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support. bibliomaniac15 I see no changes 21:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Per Q2 - excellent article work. dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 22:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support. After reviewing Seraphim.'s contributions, I'm confident that she is an ideal candidate for adminship, and that the project as a whole will benefit from her being mopped. To that end, I am happy to offer my support—best of luck! AGK (contact) 22:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support - trustworthy editor. Addhoc (talk) 22:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Support meets my standards. Talk page has a calm, patient, helpful response to pressure. Trust the nominators. Dlohcierekim 22:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Strong support very worthy candidate who has been ready for this role for quite some time. ~ Riana 23:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  20. Support Well, my metasense ain't tingling. RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Support - she deserves it :) ...--Cometstyles 23:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Aye. Excellent candidate. Black Kite 23:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support - looking forward to you having the tools and continuing your good work. Gwernol 00:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Support Though I am slightly concerned about the block for 3RR, this user has no other concerns and deserves the mop. Xenon54 00:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support. No problem. Good luck. Malinaccier (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support Nice experience, with almost 3500 edits to the mainspace, and 100% edit summary usage. I don't see why not? - Milk's Favorite Cookie 00:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support - very deserving of the tools. Will use the tools well. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Support definitely. — Zerida 01:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  29. I am enthused to support Seraphim Whipp. She is an excellent editor. The oppose rationale does not concern me in the least. seresin | wasn't he just...? 02:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support - Easy call here. As far as the block mentioned below goes, I looked back at what happened and found that it actually bolstered my reasons for supporting. Essentially, Seraphim called out an administrator for a personal attack, took it to their talk page, and was blocked per 3RR for re-adding her comment multiple times after the admin removed it. She contested the block on her talk page, but eventually accepted the reasoning and was back to work almost immediately after it expired. In other words, she displayed characteristics vital to a successful admin--a willingness to engage in difficult conflicts as well as an ability to recognize and learn from one's mistakes--nearly a year before trying to get the tools herself. That's as clear a sign of her quality as an editor now and her potential ability as an admin as I could ask for. --jonny-mt 02:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Support Friendly and civil, nothing to suggest they will abuse or misuse the tools. Guest9999 (talk) 03:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Excellent mediaton skills in my only interaction with her (requested WP:THIRD over on Need for Speed 11. hbdragon88 (talk) 03:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support Excellent editing, shows evidence of working well during disputes and thinking before acting - all things I love to see in an admin candidate. Shell babelfish 04:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose per weak arguments made in arbitration case: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], i.e. too exclusionary. Seems like a prolific vandalism fighter though. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 23:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Her arguments are weak because they're backed by consensus and policy? Forgive me, but an oppose based on divergent views on such a subject seems inappropriate. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    They are weak because they are overly exclusionary and involve items that are not backed by consensus (if they were, there would not be the ArbCom case, Request for Comment, and other divisive discussions). I cannot support someone to have deletion tools who seems overly exclusive on a contentious matter. The block for revert warring is also cause for concern. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Hmm. The block was more than 10 months ago. Dlohcierekim 01:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    If it was a block that the blocking admin later unblocked, then I think it would be invalidated. Most admins that I have encountered have never been blocked before. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (ec) Since when were WP:V and WP:NOT not policy? All of her arguments are derived from the aforementioned pair, and simply dismissing them as a weak argument does nothing other than to show an inclusionist bias on your part. The fact that we have RfCs and recent ArbCom cases does not change the fact that both policies are currently backed by consensus and as such, enforceable. Saying that she will stand by current consensus on the matter only confirms your bias on the matter. In any case, her edits do not indicate that she will not be circumspect with her usage of the tools, and thus use them to back up her own viewpoints on the matter. As for the block, it was nearly a year ago, and her subsequent action demonstrates it can be safely disregarded. Despite this, I feel further discussion here will lead to a train of thought that will ultimately become not relevant to this RfA, and I will halt here. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    It is the interpretation of policies that does not sit well with me. As being an admin is "no big deal", then opposing someone who wants to be an admin, because I am not confident in her interpretation of the policies is also "no big deal." The fact that we have RfCs and ArbCom cases demonstrates that there is widespread difference of opinions and lack of consensus regading the interpretation of these policies. If she will be fair and not close AfDs based on her personal opinion or if say she does not plan to focus on AfDs at all, but instead will work on vandal fighting, then I do not oppose her in that regard and would be willing to overlook the block. But it is of the utmost importance to me that no editors feel discouraged from contributing to Wikipedia due to having their good faith articles deleted or that editors are prevented from building articles, because a handful of other editors do not like those articles. The opinions expressed in the ArbCom and RfC seem to fall on the side of a minority opinion that has been exclusive to other editors' contributions and that is where my concern lies. We need to make sure that we err on the side of being inclusive of our contributors and their work. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I generally don't hold blocks against a candidate forever. 6 months is long enough to see if the lesson took. Candidate says that it was a valuable lesson. I can't oppose over it. Maybe they'll think twice before blocking someone-- be less likely to misuse the button. Dlohcierekim 02:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I am willing to forgive one block, but I am somewhat turned off by sarcastic support that prevent me from feeling comfortable to allowing for a weak oppose or neutral vote. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Your prerogative, but are you saying that you are, in effect, voting against a candidate because of the comments of one of her supporters? -- Avi (talk) 04:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not confident in the candidate's objectivity with regards to article inclusion based on her participation concerning the episode and character debate. I am always open-minded to fair and polite discussion about differences of opinion and again if being an admin is "not a big deal" than being opposed for adminship is hardly anything people should ever get upset over. Were someone to ever hope to persuade me to change my mind or to convince me that the candidate will be fair, I am always open to friendly discussion, but the snide remark I linked to above are not what accomplishes such a decision, especially when I am incredibly unlikely to ever make as an initial oppose vote a commentary on someone's support vote. Imagine if I went through challenging all of the support votes! If editors want to support or oppose a candidate, the votes of others in those discussions should not concern them. So, no, I am still not convinced of the candidate's reasoning in certain discussions regarding article inclusion, although I encourage her to continue to fight vandalism and hopefully help build articles. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough; thank you for taking the time and having the patience to explain your reasoning, and thanks for taking part in the process! -- Avi (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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