This RM was submitted a few days ago but wrongly closed. It was cited that a RM could be re-proposed citing this MR is stale. No, that may be correct with nearly all other articles but Trump, being a political exception, cannot have a RM for 6 months or risk being blocked. The closer should not ask someone to do a blockable offense, which is to re-submit a RM.

The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event of a unanimous vote were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Snow closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year New2018Year (talk) 22:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Overturn close and move to new title. Formally invalidating the RM and stipulating that the 6 month ban on re-RM is the 2nd best alternative. This is not a referendum if you like Trump or if you hate Trump and want to prevent a move. See above for reasons for move review. If you "endorse close" that means that it is ok for non-administrators to cut short debates in order to get a false conclusion and not hear out people, in my opinion, because I understand it is contentious but it's not a SNOW. New2018Year (talk) 22:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy close. Again, see my comment below: there was a 6-month moratorium imposed in February 2017, but it expired in August 2017. There is no moratorium now, and you have a couple of administrators here telling you a new request can be started. Whether or not the snow close was appropriate, the move request involved is stale. There is no chance that this move review will result in a move, since there was no support for a move in the original discussion. Please withdraw this and start a new normal move request. Or you can wait two months to open a new one if you don't believe the administrators here that your action would not result in a block. Just understand that move review isn't designed to do what you're asking for, and that reopening the stale move request wouldn't result in a move anyway. Dekimasuよ! 22:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

False The moratorium was extended 6 months after the October 2017 speedy close. I think it was manipulation to extend the moratorium. With contentious issues, you don't snow close it to end the vote in your favor. New2018Year (talk) 22:39, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Usually you wouldn't respond with "false" to something that's in favor of your position, either. No evidence of any extension of a moratorium. Dekimasuよ! 23:01, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Stale and endorse per Dekimasu. The RM was opened with a completely absurd rationale - "the moratorium has expired therefore we must have an RM". That isn't the way it works, and given that nobody, not even the nominator, apparently supported the move, a snow close seems entirely appropriate. I also see no evidence of an extension to the moratorium, so if you have good policy-based reasons why you think there is now a primary topic where one wasn't found before, then I guess you are free to start an RM for it. I'd prefer you didn't, as the moratorium was imposed precisely to avoid this kind of bickering. But you are entitled to do it.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Speeeedy close! This has already been decided (see closed MR discussion below). An admin has already ruled on this, so its point is moot. Just as you cannot open a Move review because you disagree with a Requested move decision, you cannot continue to open new Move reviews just because you disagree with the decision on a closed Move review. This requires a speedy close!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  01:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trump (talk|edit|history|logs|links|archive|watch) (RM)

The RM was Trump to Donald Trump.

The snow close is inappropriate for several reasons. The topic is contentious so a non-administrator closing it as "snow" is problematic. It was closed after only 5 votes. There have been previous RM with many strongly opposed opinions so a unanimous vote is highly improbable. If such an improbable event were to happen, there should be no SNOW closure to demonstrate that there are 20-30 unanimous votes, not railroading a closure using the SNOW excuse. There are many reasons for a RM but individual users can explain for themselves. Closing something that generated very lengthy debate as now; that's plain wrong. An administrator should have closed this complex and contentious RM, not a non-administrator. Disclaimer: I am not a Trump supporter. Believe me. New2018Year (talk) 17:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Overturn close and move to new title. Relist is the 2nd best alternative. This is not a referendum if you like Trump or if you hate Trump and want to prevent a move. See above for reasons for move review. If you "endorse close" that means that it is ok for non-administrators to cut short debates in order to get a false conclusion and not hear out people, in my opinion, because I understand it is contentious but it's not a SNOW. New2018Year (talk) 19:20, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• This is stale—five months old. There's no need to relist it. Just go ahead and open a new move request if you think one is necessary. Dekimasuよ! 20:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse. Snow close may have been called for. It's been four months since the not moved outcome; however, the RM was only open for less than two days, so any editor may open a new RM to rename the page at any time.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  16:45, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, see above. RM is prohibited before 6 months. Furthermore, if there is no Move Review, someone can say "RM is rejected as it was the last time" New2018Year (talk) 22:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There was a 6-month moratorium imposed in February 2017. It expired in August 2017. There is no moratorium now, and you have a couple of administrators here telling you a new request can be started. Please do not reopen your own closed review again. Dekimasuよ! 22:18, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Natchez (talk|edit|history|logs|links|archive|watch) (RM)

Throughout this discussion, there were a total of six users in favor of moving the page to the proposed title, and five opposed to doing so. While this is not based on vote, I don't see how the oppositions have more weight than the support. Both the statistics and the discussion seem to agree that the Mississippi city is the primary topic, but not by an overwhelming margin. While there were certainly more arguments given in opposition to this move, I don't know that that means that they have more weight. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:17, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Closer comments. First, I wasn’t contacted before the start of this review, but I would not have chosen to reopen the discussion in this case. The discussion had already been relisted, and no comments had been made in the section for about five days. Second, I do not believe that the discussion demonstrated a consensus in favor of moving the page; thus it would have been improper to close the discussion as a move. If a discussion of the individual arguments is necessary, then it is not clear from the discussion that the city is primary with respect to either criterion from WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (i.e., 1) a topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term, and 2) a topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term). On point 1, there was no consensus that Natchez, Mississippi was “much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all other topics combined” to be what was meant by Natchez, as demonstrated by the variety of interpretations of the pageview analysis, regardless of whether the pageviews for the parkway are disregarded. On point 2, though the city has a long history, Natchez people and Natchez language are also topics of significant long-term notability and educational value. Finally, the nomination seems to misinterpret the guidelines for moving pages and/or the rationale for the close. A close of "no consensus" does not indicate that "the oppositions have more weight than the support." Rather, because there was no clear consensus to move the page, the status quo was retained pending establishment of a new consensus. Dekimasuよ! 07:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment by involved editor: I'm confused as to the rationale for contesting the closure of the move request. Based on their words above, Bneu2013 seems to be interpreting the closure as a firm not moved, but it seems fairly clear that Dekimasu did not find a consensus in either direction.--Aervanath (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse obviously; people are mixed on whether it is the primary topic and so no consensus is clearly the correct close. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:12, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse. Couldn’t have been closed any other way. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse This user seems to not understand (or not agree) with any closure not in their favor. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Endorse. "No consensus" was the correct decision. This can be revisited in a few months if editors wish to continue garnering consensus to rename.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  06:01, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The page has been moved without proper discussion in Dutch and English. I was told by mover Kleuske that I have no voice in the discussion as I am Pál Hermann's grandson. Pál Hermann used the westernized version of his name "Paul" as a performing musician, but his native "Pál" on his manuscripts as a composer. IMSLP and the Colburn School scholarship use Pál, other initiatives Paul. Cruel destiny will have it that there was a namesake Paul Hermann active as a Nazi composer in Berlin in the same years Pál worked there. Could we find a consensus? PvangastelPvangastel (talk) 09:36, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural speedy close - this is an interesting case, but procedurally, there has been no requested move so there is no discussion to review, so this is not the correct forum. I'll pose a requested move on the article's talk page with some points in a few minutes. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]