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(Posted) RD: June Preston

Nominator's comments: Died on May 11th, however death was announced today. Article is well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Googleguy007 (talk) 16:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support 4meter4 (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

End of Siege of Mariupol

Nominator's comments: We posted the Moskva sinking, implying that sufficiently widely-covered events in the war deserve a blurb. Banedon (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – There was an element of inevitability about this, which wasn't the case with the Moskva. While possibly symbolic for the Russians, the final evacuation of Mariupol doesn't substantially change the balance of forces. – Sca (talk) 15:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Nope, wait. Nothing is clear yet. We only know that a chunk (probably a large one) of Ukrainian soldiers in Azovstal got evacuated, just at this moment it doesn't seem they have ceded control of the plant. Another thing is that the Ukrainian side, quoted by AP, says that some Ukrainian troops still remain inside the plant. This medieval horror of a siege might be already wrapping up, but the credits haven't appeared yet on the screen. When it ends in whatever outcome, then yes, we should all be pounding on the F button hard. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I wondered about that statement -- not a direct quote -- in the AP piece saying Ukraine was "working to pull out the fighters that remain." It seemed somewhat dodgy. Note that farther down in the story an ex-Ukraine official, Oleksandr Danylyuk, is quoted as saying (time not specified) in a BBC story that those remaining in the plant are still "able to defend it ... but I think it’s important to understand that their main mission is completed and now their lives need to be saved." I got the impression this statement may have been made before the evacuations detailed here. Situation murky. -- Sca (talk) 16:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I rest my case. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 16:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Neither AP nor BBC already feature the response of Danylyuk about the remaining soldiers. Still, we have no rush. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 16:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Looks to me like the first statement in the AP story probably is their paraphrase of the quote in the BBC story they cite. If the AP had its own quote they would have used it. War reporting these days seems to be somewhat incestuous. -- Sca (talk) 16:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait as per the very good summary by Szmenderowiecki. Not 100% clear that this has ended. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as this is already covered by the ongoing item. And we never decided that “sufficiently widely-covered events in the war deserve a blurb”. The sinking of the Moskva was posted because of the records that she was the largest Soviet/Russian warship to sink after World War II and the first Russian flagship to sink in more than a century.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• WaitReports on the actual situation on the ground still a bit dodgy as to if fighting is definitively over (reports suggest some ukrainians may still be held up inside the works), otherwise significant enough I think. 4iamking (talk) 16:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose what the hell is a "Russian victory"? Don't use Wikipedia's main page as a device for advancing pro-Russian propaganda. Disgusting. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Reporting on a russian victory if there has been a russian victory is not pro-Russian propoganda. I despise what russia is doing as much as anyone but also udnerstand that we have to remove that bias while reporting. Googleguy007 (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That's exactly what it is, like it or not. The siege of Mariupol ending would mean Mariupol is entirely under Russian control, and thus a Russian Victory. That's reporting facts, not "pro-Russian propaganda". We're talking about a battle, not the war. 4iamking (talk) 17:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  You guys are crazy. This is the "Russian special operation". Declaring "victory" is utter bollocks. Still, why not get the Russian flags out to celebrate guys! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  no one is calling it a "special operation" other than Russia themselves, if not a "victory", what word would you use to describe the outcome of the battle? you can either call it a Ukrainian Defeat or a Russian Victory, but both amount to the same thing. 4iamking (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  How is that "Russian propaganda", just because ukraine lost doesn't mean it's fake and it's "russian propaganda". I could say more, but Wikipedia wil not let me. (As usual). CR-1-AB (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait As per Szmenderowiecki Googleguy007 (talk) 16:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Kiril. Already on ongoing. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kay Mellor

Nominator's comments: Probably the best British television screenwriter. Died May 15 but just announced. Kingsif (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Quite a few "failed verification" notices to fix. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rainer Basedow

Nominator's comments: German actor and cabaret artist Grimes2 (talk) 10:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support but I don't deserve credit yet, and it's not likely that will earn it, having a different RD on my plate for today. I only fixed some basic errors, such as letting him teach where he studied. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Angus Grossart

 CPClegg (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Article at present is mostly a list of roles without any description ("CV in prose format"); insufficient depth of coverage at present. Spencer^T•C 04:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Sweden ends its Neutrality

(Posted) New President of Somalia

Article: 2022 Somali presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hassan Sheikh Mohamud is elected as President of Somalia. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, Reuters, Washington Post, AP News, France24, Bloomberg, CNN, WSJ
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Election of a head of state, president in Somalia holds pretty significant power per the list of head of states. Notable as the election had failed several times (one year delayed), with IMF and the international community threatening the stop of financial aid. Peaceful transfer of power. Reported a lot by RS. BastianMAT (talk) 08:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment there is one section in the elections article without any references at all. Other than this, everything seems fine.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 08:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Per the recent talk page discussion, this should not be described as an election as it seems to have been a complex process of indirect horse-trading in which delegates are typically bought. The results have a {{cn}} and the article contains painful howlers like "orchastrated". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The consensus there seems to be that it's not our place to dictate what an election is... the word "election" doesn't define anything about who the electorate has to be. 4iamking (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support The articles on the election and the president-elect are both in very good shape. Given that it's an ITNR item, I think it's ready to go now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Kiril Simeonovski.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 11:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article is well cited, long enough, and generally issue free. Based on my personal consensus, what matters here is not whether or not the election was free or fair. That's not what we do, we're just here to show what's in the news without acting like a news ticker. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 12:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Fakescientist8000. It's ITNR and article is in good shape. No further debate belongs to us. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per previous. The Kip (talk) 14:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting I hope someone fixes the WP:PROSELINE in "January 2022 agreement" and adds accessibility to the tables, but otherwise it's good enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Post-posting comment - I'm not convinced this nomination actually qualifies under WP:ITN/R. ITNR says either "general election" or "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government except when that change was already posted as part of a general election." This was an election by parliament not a general election. We say the PM is the one in Somalia who "constitutionally administer the executive of their respective state/government" / "the Prime Minister, who serves as the head of government". -- KTC (talk) 16:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  True. But it did get the votes. Not sure we can invalidate our own minielections for having grown from a fundamental misconception. It's up to voters how diligent they want to be on an issue before choosing, in "real" democracy. Maybe a mass ping beats an administrative pull, let the electorate reconsider (not necesssarily change) their pick in light of the truth. I'll Post-Post Oppose, personally. Somalia is (believed to be) very politically corrupt and we shouldn't appear to promote such things unless our own protocol requires it. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  People supporting above explicitly noted that it's ITNR in 4 of the 5 support comments, so clearly the support related only to the quality of the article rather than whether it should be blurb in the first place. I could have pulled it, but I didn't because even though I don't think it's ITNR, I can see it be argued that it's close enough to qualify. Would welcome feedback @Muboshgu, Kiril Simeonovski, Hamza Ali Shah, Fakescientist8000, Alsoriano97, and The Kip: -- KTC (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This was already discussed at the time and the consensus was clear: whether they are "real" elections or not, if they are elections, the leadership of a country is being changed and RS are talking about it, it is ITNR and should be included in the Main Page if the quality and consensus requirements are met. We, as editors, cannot go much further. Another issue is whether in the blurb you can and do mention the "unfair" or "undemocratic" status of an election and I, particularly, don't think it is far-fetched. But beware, the debate on whether they are "real" elections or not can lead to non-neutral opinions, to long debates without consensus and in the end only taking into account the elections that take place in Western countries (mainly). Where would we put the limits, then, of what is and what is not "real" or "fair"? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Note, I did not mark it as ITNR (someone else did)[1] but I posted it on its own merits. I explained my nomination in my comment, a head of state election, on the List of current heads of state and government it is blue (meaning signficant power) although not head of government in Somalia. For context, I found this nomination suitable as we posted the Italian presidential election, which was also a parliamentery vote with the president having even less power. In Somalia it made the election even more significant with a peaceful transfer of power, RS picking it up, and that they finally managed to complete the election after two year of delays (it even made it to the Wikipedia DYK and a lot of international pressure, besides a crisis). The article is in good shape, and of course the consesus decides the faith of this nomination. [2] @KTC: BastianMAT (talk) 19:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  KTC, I saw only the one oppose vote, with an argument that gained little to no traction on WT:ITN, and still see no pull votes. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As mentioned by Alsoriano97, this has already been discussed and the consensus was that we as editors can’t decide what is and isn’t an election. As long as it is in ITN/R and it meets general criteria (coverage in reliable sources, quality of article etc), the elections should be posted. We are only telling readers what is in the news and it isn’t our place to decide what counts as an election.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 20:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As mentioned by KTC, it's not about the election. It's that a change in an office without the executive power is not ITNR. The Prime Minister gets that free ticket. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @KTC: This election seems to end a year-long political crisis which occurred after the former president suspended prime minister's executive power, so it's very naive to believe that the prime minister administers the executive power in practice when the president can suspend it. Anyway, even if this isn't an ITNR item because "constitutionally" it's the prime minister with the executive power, this whole situation with the political crisis and all potential repercussions which this election ends is notable enough for inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note On Coverage The sources in the nom labeled Al Jazeera, Washington Post and France24 are wire copies, not independent reports. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Here you have some more Mr Coverage, happy reading! VOA, Bloomberg, CNN, NY Times, WSJ BastianMAT (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Better, thank you, Mr Happy. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: 2022 United States infant formula shortage

WP:SNOW close. No chance this gets even close to consensus to post. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 United States infant formula shortage (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3], [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Swpb (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major US event that has been affecting thousands of households for months and will continue to do so for several weeks at least —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 14:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose -- This is not significant worldwide news. Jehochman ^Talk 14:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose not a significant event, not comparable to the other worldwide events we have on ongoing (COVID-19 pandemic and 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine), which is the level of how important things need to be to be posted on ongoing. If this wasn't in the US, it wouldn't even have been suggested... Joseph2302 (talk) 14:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Joseph. Suggest snow close. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Jesus Christ, not the reaction I was expecting! How is being a US event disqualifying? Would the event be acceptable as a one-time entry rather than ongoing (even though it is ongoing)? Your own guideline for significance says "Almost all news is of greater interest to a particular place and/or group of people than to the world at large, and arguing that something should or should not be posted, solely because of where the event happened, or who might be "interested" in it because of its location, are not usually met with concurrence from the community." What gives? —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 14:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• It doesn't have enough significant coverage for the front page of this worldwide encyclopedia. End of story. If there were a shortage of the same food in any other country, nobody would nominate it here. Stop complaining at users who are applying the ITN rules correctly. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• "Global significance" is a code for "it happened in America" and is a yardstick rarely applied to other countries (such as disasters or sports). The worlds third most populous country is experiencing a significant and long running shortage of baby food, but that's not "significant". Welcome to ITN. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the regulars here don't respect the rules. #Please do not... oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive. There is no rule that this be "significant worldwide news" or "comparable to the other worldwide events". – Muboshgu (talk) 15:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Regardless of the country/countries it affects, the news coverage doesn't demonstrate it's a notable enough event for the front page. Posting this explicitly so that people can't pull the "worldwide" trick to try and push US-stuff on the front page again. It's only US articles where we get an overkill of nominatuions that mostly get rejected as not important enough, never an issue with any other country... Joseph2302 (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note the word solely. The event only relating to a single country is not the only reason this is being opposed. It's also not significant. WaltCip-(talk) 15:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as a blurb, not ongoing, and the blurb should mention the plant closure that led to the shortage. The worlds third most populous country is experiencing a deep and long running shortage of baby food certainly significant and affecting millions of people. Honestly much more hard hitting than the Buffalo Body Count story we posted which is utterly insignificant in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LaserLegs: I re-nominated as a blurb below; please vote there, and if you're feeling really nice, help improve the blurb to ITN standards! Thanks!! —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 15:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I also oppose blurb since the coverage does not demonstrate it being ITN worthy. Also, as this started months ago, any blurb would be stale. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It's literally happening and drawing news coverage right now. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I think I'm done. Good luck Muboshgu. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Me too. Going against the anti-US bias here gets tiresome and I'm spent from having to argue that a domestic terrorist incident is worthy of posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Even less so as a blurb, didn't even realize there was such a thing, but regardless it just feels like a localized version of the Toilet Paper/Yeast shortages at the beginning of Covid, or the sunflower oil ones more recently.4iamking (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may not be aware, but all humans can survive without toilet paper and yeast. That is not true of all infants and formula. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 15:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do a quick search on News.google.com for "Baby Formula" and tell me how many results you find that aren't just American tabloids or local news sites that are GDPR blocked anyway. Its not making the international news at all. 4iamking (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What on Earth are you talking about? New York Times, Wall Street Journal, ABC, NBC, CBS: name a major US media entity that isn't covering this! —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 15:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2022 United States infant formula shortage

Consensus will not form to post.—Bagumba (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2022 United States infant formula shortage (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Widespread shortages of infant formula continue in the United States following a major recall and plant shutdown. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Infant formula shortages in the United States provoke acts of desperation.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Infant formula shortages in the United States provoke action from the White House and Congress.
News source(s): [5], [6]
Credits:

• Nominated by Swpb (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Maybe a one-time entry is more acceptable, if this isn't big enough or global enough for "Ongoing"? Major US event that has been affecting thousands of households for months and will continue to do so for several weeks at least. I'd remind whoever closes this for the second time that consensus is about the soundness of arguments, not the volume. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 14:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• As above, so below. Oppose categorically. Not only is this a ridiculously localized microcosm of the supply chain crisis that all nations are facing due to COVID-19 (which is already an ongoing item), but the article (and not incidentally the blurb) is rife with POV problems. Let it go.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Am I on an alien planet? What POV? And all across the third most populous country in the world is "ridiculously localized"? I can sense I'm losing a battle here, but those arguments are bonkers. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 15:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A section header named "Republican misinformation about shortage" doesn't seem very WP:NPOV to me? Joseph2302 (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't write that, but they were all Republicans! —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 15:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose as per my comments on the other thread with the same heading name. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Re-opened - I'm going to be gracious and re-open this thread, reverting User:Fakescientist8000's closure. It's true that this didn't get a chance to run for a full few hours. But in reopening this, I will caution that it's highly unlikely the consensus will change.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support I can understand concerns this may seem stale since the shortage is based on events from Feb, but the part that is hitting hard, the 43% lack of supply, was the big news last week that brought this to a crisis level. --Masem (t) 16:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose per above discussion, but also more than anything its really not reported in any meaningful way by any non-american news media.4iamking (talk) 16:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  A few minutes of looking for international coverage: UK, UK, France, Spain, China, Mexico, Qatar/worldwide, Switzerland, Japan, Russia. I'm sure you can find a hundred others. Why are you lying? —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 19:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Daily Mail is a deprecated source, and thus unreliable. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Wow, and I guess the dozens of other international sources are equally invalid, for a reason I'm sure you can create. Don't "cheers" me as if you're acting in good faith. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 20:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  He's not "cheersing" you in particular, it's part of his signature (and yes, it often seems inappropriate in context). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There is zero requirement that ITN items have international coverage. It can help highlight importance but by no means required. --Masem (t) 17:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  But even then, I don't see how this is really much different from the sunflower shortages, shortly after the Ukraine war started or the yeast/toilet paper ones at the beginning of covid. If it were any other country I can almost guarantee nobody would have suggested it. 4iamking (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Both of those would be tied to ongoing posts, so a new blurb wouldn't be appropriate. But this formula shortage is wholly unrelated to any ongoing event. --Masem (t) 17:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  not really though, at least its all linked to how streamlined we've made our supply chains that any event can easily throw them off, but none of this is anything new and people have been talking about a "supply chain crisis" for a while now. 4iamking (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support It's certainly in the news. I'm in the UK but heard some of the buzz and wondered what was happening to generate it. Wikipedia is here to inform so what's the problem? Note that there are some interesting angles to the story. I'd not heard of shopping bots before... Andrew🐉(talk) 17:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to a situation that happened in Australia between 2008 and 2013.[7] SusunW (talk) 17:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Having read the comments above, I am flummoxed. Here in Mexico, the event is causing grave concern that it may well spread south from the US because of the economic connections in the supply chain.[8],[9],[10],[11]. As most of the English-language news available here is from abroad, I note that the Guardian has been covering the situation for months[12],[13],[14] as has Aljazeera. The latter's coverage clearly shows that the issue in the US is having effects abroad, i.e. see impact on Russia. SusunW (talk) 17:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The worlds third most populous country is experiencing a deep and long running shortage of baby food certainly significant and affecting millions of people. Honestly much more hard hitting than the Buffalo Body Count story we posted which is utterly insignificant in any way. If this had been any other country it would never have been snow-closed as "lacking international significance". --LaserLegs (talk) 17:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support A pretty rare event especially for the world's third most populous country (per LaserLegs). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The impact and international interest is very limited in a specific country in a specific way. This is not the New York Times and American users should start to think that this page is not for nominations to some non-existent type of Main Page: the USA and that not everything that affects this country has global impact. As Joseph said, if this were to affect another country (even another macro power) most likely the users above would be objecting. Wasting our time. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as we usually don’t post shortages of single products unless they trigger serious consequences such as global crises or famines. I might consider posting this in case it results in a significantly increased infant mortality; if that’s not the case, there’s no need to heed the shortage of an easily substitutable good. At the same time, most of Europe is short on natural gas, which is much more important commodity than baby milk, so a resounding no for this.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doctors indicate that formula is not easily substituted, warning against cow's milk, goat milk, sheep's milk, powdered milk and plant-based substitutes. They have also noted that mothers have to learn to lactate or re-lactate and for some that is not possible.[15],[16],[17],[18] SusunW (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Calling formula an "easily substituted good" is an astonishing level of ignorance of the topic. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 19:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From an economic point of view, substitutes don’t need to be of similar quality to attain the same goal. Margarine is a substitute for butter even though it’s made from oil. What doctors warn against is that the substitutes may not be of sufficient quality, but that doesn’t mean they fail to prevent babies from undernourishment.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What alternatives are you even talking about? The questionable YouTube homebrews? The cow's milk that is well known to be harmful to younger infants? —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 19:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Parental desperation is always sad everywhere, but pending a spike in infant mortality or the development of a new cheap wondersupplement, not shocking enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Terrible but too local (US-centric). We don't post similar shortages in other countries. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The ITN candidate guideline specifically dismisses arguments based on an event being specific to one country; and this event has international effects and is no more limited to one country that the Ukraine war is. —swpb^{T • go beyond • bad idea} 19:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What international effects? The Ukrainian war and this are two completely different things. One is an invasion which has killed countless people, devastated millions of lives, and shaped international geopolitics for the next few years. This, is some baby formula not being on the shelves. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose This is a shortage, not a famine. We can't cover shortages unless there are absolutely severe immediate consequences. Thriley (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose bloody hell, some countries on the planet don't even have formula. Get over it Amurica. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Too US-centric when so many more newsworthy critical issues are going on around the world (whether those issues have to do with supply chain crises or other events). As stated above, there is not a famine, and there are alternatives. Netherzone (talk) 22:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose I can't get my favourite brand of muesli here in Australia right now. This is precisely the kind of nomination that makes Americans look like ignorant, parochial fools to many people among the other 95% of the world's population. And most Americans aren't. Shut this down now to stop more people thinking otherwise!!!!! HiLo48 (talk) 23:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Do you think muesli (whatever the heck that is) and baby formula are the same thing? Babies without either breast milk or formula will die of malnourishment. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - this is more of an ongoing thing than an individual event, anyway. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - way minor, given that we're currently in a global food crisis. Banedon (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2022 Lebanese general elections

Article: 2022 Lebanese general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lebanese Forces, led by Samir Geagea (pictured), wins the most seats in the 2022 Lebanese general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hezbollah and allies lost its majority in the Lebanese Parliament after the 2022 Lebanese general election.
News source(s): Lorient lejour, MTV Lebanon
Credits:

• Nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Many article headlines go along the lines as this: "Lebanon Vote Brings Blow for Hezbollah Allies in Preliminary Results". This is a revolutionary achievment for the party after breaking through the 6-year ruling March 8 Alliance. Even after countless death threats, vote buying and fraud, the March 14 Alliance, lead by the Lebanese Forces, managed to gain the most seats. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

India and Korea are the champions of the 2022 Thomas & Uber Cups

Nominator's comments: Thomas cup finals was today (May 15) while the Uber cup concluded yesterday. Still I feel like mentioning them both here as they are always associated with each other. Shanze1 (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ITNR recurring item, although I’ve suggested an altblurb. The Kip (talk) 16:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Tables upon tables, no prose update. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose needs way more prose (like most sports articles nominated here, it is just table after table with no prose to explain it). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Urvashi Vaid

Nominator's comments: A few (very few) statements are still unreferenced; I fixed a bunch of these from her obits —  OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 14:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support—article looks just about ready to me, so I'd say it can add should be added in due course. Imzadi 1979 → 05:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose too many citation needed tags. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Four {cn} tags remaining. --PFHLai (talk) 03:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • These last four {cn} tags have been removed by User:Fakescientist8000 a few hours ago. --PFHLai (talk) 16:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Finland and Sweden announce intent to join NATO

(Posted) RD: Maxi Rolón

Nominator's comments: Former FC Barcelona and Argentina football prospect, from Rosario, Santa Fe just like you-know-who. His career fell into brief uneventful spells in South America, Catalan local football and - bizarrely - Iraq, before dying too soon. Page has been updated and sourced. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:790D:89FD:AB0C:A882 (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Stephen 02:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David West (baseball)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 05:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Him and Jeff Innis so quickly.... the late 80s Mets I remember... – Muboshgu (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Andrew Symonds

 Craig Andrew1 (talk) 23:19, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose article needs a lot more sourcing and general cleanup e.g. cricket and non-cricket related sections are interspersed with each other, WP:Controversy sections is currently violated too. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support There has been a massive amount of constructive editing of this article today. No Citation needed tags remain. Looking good to me. HiLo48 (talk) 04:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Article needs a lot of ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose at the moment. Pretty much all of his domestic and international career has little to no references, whereas his TV appearance in India is refbomb'd to the extreme. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Nominator's Comment Big thanks to several editors for their efforts thus far with the referencing. The Career sections have significantly improved. Craig Andrew1 (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cheers! Getting there. Only a tiny bit left to do I think, then to sort out the refbombing Lugnuts mentioned. Should be done tonight I hope, at least pending any further input people may have. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 22:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Okay, I now think we're there. Pinging User:Joseph2302, User:TDKR Chicago 101 and User:Lugnuts, if you wouldn't mind casting your eyes over the progress made and considering whether it's now in an acceptable state or not. (There may still be little bits that need further attention, but at this point I've stared at it for too long to be able to distinguish good from bad, ha.) Thanks! Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 00:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Wow! That's an excellent update and kudos for sorting out the controversy sections. Thanks! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Much improved, nice work. Andrew_Symonds#Career_highlights needs references, then willing to support once that is finished. Spencer^T•C 05:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I've now updated that section! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Following all the updates that have been done. Great work from everyone who's chipped in. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support great work on getting the updates and sourcing done. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The article is well developed right now with the collaboration of every editors. Will it possible to add tributes section like we did to Shane Warne? I initially added tributes from his fellow teammates and opponent players but was removed saying it is not necessary. Kudos to everyone for putting their efforts. Abishe (talk) 09:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I helped with one of the orange tags, so the Indian League section should be good to go. Thank you to all the other updaters for your hard work on this article! This wikibio is READY for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 13:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks! There were a couple of CN tags left, but I've addressed them now. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 14:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 15:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2022

Articles: Eurovision Song Contest 2022 (talk · history · tag) and Kalush (rap group) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukraine, represented by Kalush Orchestra (pictured) with the song "Stefania”, wins the Eurovision Song Contest in Turin, Italy. (Post)
News source(s): Telegraph, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 4iamking (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Pdhadam (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It’s Eurovision! UA 631 Points 4iamking (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It still needs some updating, winner isn't in the lead. Other results need more detail. Kingsif (talk) 23:14, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major event and article’s well-developed. The Kip (talk) 23:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Essential information updated. Ready to go.BabbaQ (talk) 23:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose the event article has no sources for Scoreboard section (and semi final scores appear to be missing). And if Kalush (rap group) is to be included as a bold link, it needs updating to mention that they won this event. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That's because the event just happened, and the scoreboard contains a big amount of data. I'm working on it now, should be done within an hour or two. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 01:12, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: Well researched article with lots of useful details.--Ipigott (talk) 08:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Looks ready now. Posting. --Tone 09:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Could an image of the band be added, e.g. File:Kalush Orchestra at the Ukraine Media Center, 2022 A.png? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Post posting support, although I really wish Tone would've waited a few more hours for a larger consensus to concur. Article looks fine, good prose too. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 13:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Post-posting support – Very, very widely covered, and has gotten 10M+ views on YouTube. – Sca (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: shouldn't the link text be Eurovision Song Contest 2022, instead of just Eurovision Song Contest, for link clarity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jochem van Hees (talk • contribs) 16:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  We don't need to treat our readers like idiots. Anyone reading an entry in the "in the news" section is going to know that we're talking about the most recent contest. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  And now Eurovisiongate? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That was already brought up before the votes were read and taken into account with the posted results, might bring some extra behind the scenes drama but it won't change any results. 4iamking (talk) 22:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Brought up by whom? In which forum? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  By the EBU, with the press release you linked. 4iamking (talk) 23:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Buffalo shooting

Nominator's comments: At least 10 people killed, making this the deadliest mass murder in the US this year to date. Possible white supremacist motives. 142.127.171.107 (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait The most likely nature of this attack, and it having a similar death toll to the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting which was previously posted, definitely makes this "In the news" worthy IMO. But obviously the article needs a lot of expansion before it can be posted. Mount Patagonia (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per my previous reasons, and the article is in good enough shape now. Mount Patagonia (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait Article is currently a stub. Need to wait before addressing it being a blurb. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 21:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait, but roughly equate to the 2021 Boulder shooting instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Just reminding, we never blurbed that one. 4iamking (talk) 21:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, I'm not waiting to vote any certain way. Just waiting to know more first, a lesson relearned from that one. Precedent isn't everything. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Going to sleep on it. If it's posted very quickly, remember, there's a presumption of innocence in BLPCRIME, even or especially for the worst apparent cases. Try to not present allegations as facts in "our" voice, maybe. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This appears to be closer to the 2019 El Paso shooting, which we did blurb, and Christchurch, as Masem mentioned below. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  In terms of manifesto awareness, sure. In location, number of dead, number of injured and percentage of police shot, no. Matter of focus. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Only noting that the nature behind this shooting (which appears to be strongly racial motivated if the truth about having a manifesto, live streaming it, etc.) makes this far more unusual than typical mass shootings in the US. --Masem (t) 22:29, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Mass shootings in the US occur with a frequency that makes them near commonplace and I rarely support blurbing them anymore. But multiple RS sources are stating unequivocally that this was a racially motivated attack. That's enough for me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Ad Orientem. This is clearly more than a "run of the mill American shooting". There was shooting in Milwaukee last night after the NBA game and we don't even have an article on it. This was a premeditated attack where a white supremacist went to a black area with the n-word written on his gun, livestreamed the attack, and he apparently put out a manifesto espousing Great Replacement Theory. This is an ITN story. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This has been on CNN for the past few hours and is already the deadliest shooting in America this year, as well as tying for the 2nd deadliest shooting in New York state's 234-year history. It's gotten a lot of publicity and NEEDS to be featured. The Wikipedia article for it has been fleshed out rather quickly, with help from me and others, of course. My case is concrete. BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose mass shootings in the US are commonplace, and any speculation on motive (nothing has been confirmed) does not justify posting this, as it's speculation and not fact. Using alleged motives to post would be a violation of BLPCRIME in my opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  We should wait and see if there's any more to this than just another member of the "well-regulated militia" with a few screws loose. If not, oppose, per Joseph2302. -- Sca (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Sources are pretty clear this is comparable in nature to the Christchurch shooting, where the guy planned this online w/ info from radical Internet boards, made a manifesto, live streamed it, etc. [21]. It is being investigated as a hate crime already. --Masem (t) 00:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The death toll is about a fifth of Christchurch, so it's not at that level of notability, nor does it have the international aspect that Christchurch has. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Per Joseph2302.... Im willing to reconsider if any major developments come to light that would warrent a blurb, but at this point it just feels like another run of the mill mass shooting in the USA4iamking (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  4iamking, I sure hope we're not so numb as to call this "run of the mill": “If there’s one thing I want you to get from these writings, it’s that White birth rates must change. Everyday the White population becomes fewer in number,” the document says. “To maintain a population the people must achieve a birth rate that reaches replacement fertility levels, in the western world that is about 2.06 births per woman.” [22] – Muboshgu (talk) 00:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Most mass shootings are motivated by some kind of "out there" thoughts, shall we say... at this point that alone doesn't really make it stand out, especially while they are still unproven. 4iamking (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There's probably a better way to say this, but racism against Black Americans isn't even that "out there". In the past century, decade or year, I'll bet far more white people committed racially motivated acts against black people than general Americans shot anyone. Am I wrong? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The beliefs aren't rational to the average citizen, thats what I'm saying with "out there". As for the other point, probably because racism is pretty wide-spread but I got no statistics and regardless it's not really a meaningful comparison to make. 4iamking (talk) 01:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It's meaningful in the context of understanding whether a common occurrence coinciding with a more common viewpoint makes the whole package more blurbworthy or more common. To me, "preventing earthquakes" or "following the voices" is "out there" in an unusual way. White supremacy is out there in the "constant public awareness" sense. Anyway, not trying to "whitewash" or "bury" anything. If spotlighting a killer for sharing racist propaganda is that important to anyone here, not just Muboshgu, go for it. Sorry to catch you in the middle of this. You were mostly "just there". InedibleHulk (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  How odd that I believe that an incident that is quite literally "in the news" with an updated article in postable shape should be featured at In The News. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, I thought you tried to explain how it wasn't "run of the mill" by citing the shooter's racist remarks, nevermind. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The motive is why this is "in the news" and not relegated to the back pages like the Milwaukee shootings. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Just opening Reuters or DR though I feel like this is a side story, even looking at the USA section right now its somewhat overshadowed by the abortion protests in Washington D.C. We probably are getting a bit numb to mass shootings in the USA, but I stick to my reasoning. 4iamking (talk) 02:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Nobody died in the Milwaukee shootings. In my opinion, if ten people had, we'd be seeing a lot more news. This would include the usual rush to prominently speculate on any motive, based on any anonymous police source. These things are formulaic, if many die. Gun control debate is tomorrow, I'll decide then, thanks for clarifying your stance. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Thsi kind of mass-shooting has not been common this year. See List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 - this is the deadliest so far this year, and the only indiscriminate mass-shooting (the 2nd most deadly, 2022 Sacramento shooting, was a gang shootout. Others are similar, or domestic incidents, etc). There were quite a lot of these mass shootings in 2021 though, per List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2021, but none seemed to be hate-motivated as this one is believed to be. Not sure if any of this makes a difference for people. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Procrastinating Reader. Swordman97 ^{talk to me} 00:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait until the rest of the world wakes up. We're not a news ticker. We can afford to let this thing run a decent amount of time to determine if there's a consensus. --WaltCip-(talk) 00:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Support This is a major event, apparently. Nythar (talk) 01:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Mass shootings in the US occur with such a frequency that they are commonplace. I'd be more likely to support the addition of List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 as an Ongoing item, given that it is updated almost every day. Chrisclear (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support putting List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 in ongoing if this particular episode fails to achieve consensus; or when it rolls off if it does achieve consensus. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 04:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Widely reported on as a hate crime, making it comparable to Oak Creek, Isla Vista, Charleston, Pittsburgh, and Atlanta, all of which were posted. Ionmars10 (talk) 03:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support While I am always reluctant to support posting American mass shooting incidents it is clear this is not a run-of-the-mill event. This is evidenced by the coverage given internationally - the shooting is currently the top story on France24, and is highly prominent on ABC News Australia. This does not tend to happen for mass shootings in the US these days. The motive of the gunman in committing this attack (as possible racially-motivated extremism/terrorism) is particularly of note. AusLondonder (talk) 03:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. While mass shootings in the United States are commonplace, those with double digit deaths (exclusive of the perpetrator) are significantly less so. That being said, the hate crime motive, which is increasingly being reported on as accurate, [23] means it rises above the pseudo-random nature of American mass shootings which despite being tragic, are not ITN material. Posting would be in line with the previous hate crimes shootings listed by Ionmars10. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - the death toll, the livestreaming, the manifesto, the reported motive, all distinguish this and makes it stand out from the other mass shootings so far this year. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 04:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per above. Front page news globally, and deadliest American mass shooting so far this year. Extra notability points for also being a hate crime. Honestly putting List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 in ongoing as suggested above is not such a bad idea. Davey2116 (talk) 05:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ongoing is for events that are continuously taking place at the time not intermittent about to happen ones. Gotitbro (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Authorities calling it a hate crime. 11 of 13 victims are black. Suspect citing the Great Replacement. Not just "any shooting".—Bagumba (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose I don't see why a mass shooting being racially motivated makes it more notable. It's not like racially motivated mass shootings are rare in the US, either. Banedon (talk) 06:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  So last month. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Failed WP:MINIMUMDEATHS.—Bagumba (talk) 06:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Exactly. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Everything in WP:ITNR is regular and not "rare". So what's your point?—Bagumba (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Common things are less notable. Agree? Banedon (talk) 06:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  And currently posted are "common" events like successions, deaths, elections, and sporting events. Again, what's your point?—Bagumba (talk) 06:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Three of those are ITNR, apples and oranges. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  OP opposes because it's not "rare". ITNRs are regular, and not rare. So quite relevant, unless the OP had said "Oppose, not ITNR".—Bagumba (talk) 07:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This is Death, neither rare nor R. It's all about those unwritten death PAGs, case by case, we post like we feel. All the terrorism charges, hateful Internet histories and variously affected survivors are nothing without a death toll and whether we collectively (yet personally) deem it blurbworthy. Banedon says nay. I say wait. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It's vote and not !vote?—Bagumba (talk) 08:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC) [reply]

  Bingo! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC) [reply]

  No, I opposed because it's not notable. Read it again. I don't see why a mass shooting being racially motivated makes it more notable. Banedon (talk) 10:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Because it's racially motivated, had a 180 page manifesto written with it and was live streamed. That doesn't happen everyday in the big cities, no? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Most of those pages are copypasta and the livestream had about 20 viewers. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Another US mass shooting. Ericoides (talk) 08:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as the attacker is most-likely an ordinary mentally-disturbed lone-wolf White male who mostly kept to himself and not in anyway linked to terrorism. Hindustani.Hulk (talk) 10:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I was under the impression we generally blurbed major domestic terrorism shootings where the motive was obvious (i.e. Pittsburgh synagogue, El Paso). Black Kite (talk) 11:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support speedy listing. I was actually looking for this article at main page and I am surprised that it is still not listed there. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 11:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Mass shootings are common in the USA. This doesnt look any more notable from any other shooting Haris920 (talk) 12:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• March's Las Tinajas massacre was a mass shooting with a death toll of double this. It was almost ignored; 99% of people have no idea that it happened. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:22, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • That was nominated but failed to be posted to do lack of article quality updates [24]. And that article is still too short to be posted if it happened today. --Masem (t) 12:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support due to the unusual racially-motivated angle. Article is good enough. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Oppose – Clear that it was racially motivated, [25] [26] [27] but since the perp apparently acted alone, its wider significance seems questionable. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Front page news in countries outside North America. Part of the ongoing 2020–2022 United States racial unrest. W1lliam halifax (talk) 14:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  only since 2020? Feel like it's been going on longer than that. 4iamking (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. This is the deadliest shooting in the US in 2022 and would've tied for deadliest in 2021 as well. Article in decent shape, shootings this deadly are rare enough to be reasonable to post. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Lone assailant, reducing its significance. Mass shootings in U.S. happen all the time. Like every past mass shooting, this will be forgotten and there will be no long-term significance. --WaltCip-(talk) 15:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Like every past mass shooting, this will be forgotten and there will be no long-term significance. I don't think this one will be forgotten quite so soon. People still talk about the white supremacist shootings in Charleston, Pittsburgh, Poway, and El Paso. Terrorism is a lot more memorable than mental illness. Mlb96 (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  In this context that distinction seems somewhat blurred to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Which buffalo was shot? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 15:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Dummy, it was Buffalo, NEW YORK, with an N. BubbaDaAmogus (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support due to the white supremacy connection, which is unusual for most U.S. mass shootings, as well as the double-digit death count. Mlb96 (talk) 16:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Racially motivated shootings broadcasted to and fueled by online hate boards are not common anywhere. This is why its getting unusual attention than the others it is being compared to. Gotitbro (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Blurb would ideally mention the manifesto or at least the shooter's beliefs, since that's a major part of what makes this ITN-worthy. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 18:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Marking as Ready. Discussion has been open for most of 24 hrs and consensus appears pretty solid (roughly 2:1). -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose this is just another mass shooting which can be added to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022. All such internal dialogue shootings are problematic, but endemic. This is no surprise, not news that will linger beyond a few more headlines. Racism in the US? This has been going on forever. And on top of that, while the US is now terrifyingly heading to a "pro-life" agenda, they're still arming everyone with a dollar to shoot anyone they like? Bizarre in extremis. Not newsworthy unless gun laws change in the US. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Others note several recent mass shootings in the online racist vein, indicating this isn't unique, just a copycat. Still others note the casualties are far lower than in other "manifesto" cases. Biden has used it to push for police refunding and "unity" again, but not gun control, so legislative impact is unlikelier than usual. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Event is in the news and the article is in good shape. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose [redacted] --LaserLegs (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That is not exactly comparable to publishing a 180 page justification for a crime to hate forums and livestreaming it therein. Gotitbro (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, but this is just standard fare in America these days. It's equivalent to posting an ITNC for a bomb killing 60 people in Iraq. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  60 people dying in Iraq or anywhere would be notable for ITN with a good-enough article. Would rather not compare though as they are rather disparate. Gotitbro (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not a good look for us to say that a crazy can work their way onto ITN by being sufficiently prolix. WaltCip-(talk) 22:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Though, that is what makes note in the news here along with the nature of the crime. Gotitbro (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  [redacted] --LaserLegs (talk) 23:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Do not make false claims of attribution of these types of things. There is no evidence that your claim is even close to the truth and it is pretty much inappropriate in this current context. --Masem (t) 23:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Deleting an opponent's argument as "pretty much inappropriate" is very fucked up in this context. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I did not redact the history, you can see what the comments were, which were 100% wrong in the context in attributing fault to a specific group for a different shooting, which is something inappropriate to bring to any discussion, much less this one, due to BLP-type concerns. I don't care what LL thinks but they should know better not to make those arguments. --Masem (t) 23:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  They weren't 100% wrong. Maybe partially, subjectively. You could have redacted the specific group, if that's your problem. In context, it is safe to say we opposed the 2021 Waukesha Christmas parade attack even though the attacker posted anti-White hate speech on social media before the rampage. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Except that there was no evidence that that specific indiciate was racially driven, or that the attacked posted hate speech, which is still a BLP violation. That's the problem. --Masem (t) 00:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  And the "evidence" in this case from yesterday is much more solid. Is that it? Hate crime is hate crime and BLPCRIME is colourblind. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Numerous law enforcement authorities, newspapers, and appropriate social media companies have confirmed what the suspect yesterday was said to have posted online and thus the reason it has been classified as a hate crime. While the suspect in the other attack may have posted online things before, it was nothing taken as recent as the suspect from Buffalo, nor after the investigation was done was taken as reasons for the attack. It appears that only far/alt-right have wanted to push that the suspect in that older attack was racially motivated, based on the sources I'm finding now from groups like ADL, etc. So yes, what is redacted is very much in BLP problematic range, compared to confirmed evidence that has been linked between what was posted recently and what happend in Buffalo directly in this case. --Masem (t) 00:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The first section in Talk:Waukesha Christmas parade attack/Archive 5 contains many sources noting things believed to be written by the black suspect openly called for violence against old white people before he (allegedly) committed violence against old white people. Does that make them far-right? You'll probably say yes, but I say no. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The screen shot of Brooks' racist anti-white social media posts came via The Daily Mail so it was swept down the old memory hole even though it was re-reported by numerous WP:RS. At the time, it wasn't known that he was targeting people based on race. Looking back, we did post the 2016 BLM terror attack in Dallas with a mostly neutral blurb so if this were going to be posted it should be a similarly neutral blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Agreed. Also, I forgot to tell Masem that Brooks' investigation isn't over, just stopped trending. We'll likely all hear both sides' reasons for the attack in the opening arguments of his October trial. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support after slashing my previous Wait !vote. This is beginning to look more like the Christchurch shooting than the average American shooting. In the news and well cited. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 21:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support With it on the news all weekend, I was surprised not to see it on the main page.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It only happened on Saturday afternoon, now the Laguna Woods church shooting just happened on Sunday afternoon; they all make instant news. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support The attack is notable for being the largest mass shooting in the US so far, and garnered headlines for being racially motivated. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • You mean, so far, for this year, right? -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Yes. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 03:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- it's the headline story on bbc.com right now (that may be because I live in the US). Unlike other mass shootings, this one was racially motivated, making it both political and racial terrorism. It also appears that the shooter was radicalized online, which means that this is not solely the action of a mentally ill individual. That passes the bar for inclusion on ITN. We've also included mass shootings from other countries that included smaller death tolls than this. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mass shootings in other countries are less common than mass shootings in the United States, which explains why we are more likely to put them on ITN. Leaning oppose per --WaltCip-. BilledMammal (talk) 00:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support - in terms of regularity and long-term wide impact, this is negligible. But it is headline news at least in English sources, I suppose. Juxlos (talk) 02:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 04:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Randy Weaver

Nominator's comments: Main participant in the siege of Ruby Ridge. 74. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Solid and decently referenced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Can we have references for Randy's military awards listed at the end of the infobox, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @PFHLai Done. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 19:30, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the new footnote, Fakescientist8000. I don't know about ABTC.NG, but I will AGF that it's RS. --PFHLai (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lil Keed

 Mooonswimmer 15:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is well cited, looks long enough, and is generally issue free. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 16:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Decent article and solidly referenced. Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comments: Sourcing in the Discography section is incomplete (e.g. for Mixtapes, only 2 out of 6 items have a footnote; for Guest appearances, seven of the final 8 entries have no footnotes.) Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walter Hirsch

Nominator's comments: First reported today (May 13); died on May 10. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Is the article long enough? Y Is it cited? Y Is it issue free? Y I'd say this wikibio is READY for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:30, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Wald

 Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is well cited, looks long enough, and is generally issue free. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Teresa Berganza

Nominator's comments: A leading mezzo soprano at her time, article was too short which is better, and little referenced which is also better. Films need a ref (but I did see one of them), recordings should be added but, I need a break. Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Is the article long enough? Y Is it cited properly? Y Is it issue free? Y This wikibio is READY for RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:32, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Fakescientist800.  Hamza Ali Shah  ^Talk 18:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Blurb: Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan

Article: Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  President of the United Arab Emirates and ruler of Abu Dhabi Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan (pictured) dies at the age of 73. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan inherits the Emirate of Abu Dhabi.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan inherits the Emirate of Abu Dhabi and becomes President of the United Arab Emirates after Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan dies at the age of 73.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, CNBC, Al Jazeera, Khaleej Times, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: UAE president. Sherenk1 (talk) 10:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm modifying it to blurb as it's a world leader who dies in office. The article is fine, but the "Presidency" section should be expanded much more. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb as the death of a current head of state with absolute power is a no-brainer.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Blurb, current head of state. The presidency section needs some work because it is composed of one-sentence paragraphs, and Wikileaks do not need a separate section. --Tone 11:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support this one is a no-brainer.--Mausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 11:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Blurb per Kiril. Grimes2 (talk) 11:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Should we not wait for the new President to be appointed, would make it ITNR on its own. Gotitbro (talk) 11:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The presidency is hereditary Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, in that case the successor should be included in the blurb and nom be changed to ITNR. Gotitbro (talk) 15:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  That'd make sense. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  From what I can tell, the rulership of the emirate is hereditary, the presidency of the UAE is technically not. -- KTC (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @KTC You are correct. But the presidency is still controlled by the House of Al Nahyan. The crown prince just needs to be approved by parliament within 30 days of the president's death. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Blurb Death of a very powerful head of state. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 11:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Blurb Major and monumental world leader. However, this would bump off the Saratoga explosion, so I have some personal bias. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 13:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb in principle as death of incumbent head of state is ITN worthy. However, article has a couple of cn tags, and also, is there any information on what he did from 2014 to 2022? I know he reduced duties, but surely he did something in that period? Joseph2302 (talk) 13:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed was the de facto ruler of the UAE during much of that period.Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 17:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb in principle, however as of now Oppose per Joseph2302. Article needs some work done on it before we can blurb it. After that, it's good to go! Cheers! Fakescientist8000 13:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Blurb Incumbent head of state dying is an automatic blurb support in my opinion. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb He's a head of state who died in office. Notable.Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 13:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A cautionary note: for these heads of state that are hereditary, I would not expect death while holding office to be as surprising as compared to death of an elected official, since the transfer of power is very much established already. Queen Elizabeth will remain Queen until her death, even though her duties may be passed to her heir (like right now as with her COVID conditions). --Masem (t) 14:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose blurb in current state. I see no clear explanation on the article to explain why he was so influential (beyond being rich) or transformative. I'm not saying that he wouldn't qualify but I have to read between the lines and understand the larger picture to say, "Oh yes, he's clearly important". There should be something of a legacy section or the like to be clear about this. --Masem (t) 13:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb - Important head of state CR-1-AB (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, A powerful president and notable. Alex-h (talk) 14:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• RD Only Old man dies of no apparent cause. Largely ceremonial, not powerful, since 2014. Rich, and bought things, but transformed little. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:25, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, when you put it in the most minimalist description, you can make anything seem lame. I'll have you know that for 55.56% of his presidency, he had full powers and was an incredibly powerful man in the Middle East. Just because he wasn't escalating wars, massacring innocent civilians, or having massively cheated out of his taxes doesn't make him "largely ceremonial", especially considered he'd ruled for 18 years. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  OK, what did he do? Before having the stroke his bio says left him ceremonial and Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan powerful, I mean. You can't just assume it's obvious. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  This is exactly my issue. I can sorta see why he's important but the article fails to clearly establish this and we should not blurb this sub-quality aspect. --Masem (t) 17:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As an aside, have you seen the minimalism in preceding descriptions? Powerful president, notable, major and monumental. I consider mine relatively chunky. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• RD only Was little more than a figurehead for the past ten years. ITN seems a little much.Pyramids09 (talk) 16:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support for RD only. Article is of sufficient quality, however nothing is gained by a blurb, except noting his age of death. Meh. --Jayron32 17:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Blurb Death of a sitting head of state is notable, but for a hereditary position it is far less so due to the much higher likelihood that it happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, Death of a very influential hereditary head of state. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support RD only A blurb adds nothing at all. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• RD only. We only post the most important deaths, and this is a WP:MILL local tyrant of which few people globally will have heard. Sandstein 18:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Tyrant? That is definitely stretching a "point". Gotitbro (talk) 20:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes yes, because a person with many countries that has set a national mourning in honor of him, 2 of which include India and Pakistan, means 'few people globally will have heard'. Prodrummer619 (talk) 21:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note Added an altblurb but can't add an altimage, so it maybe needs a new nom, and I won't do it. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support altblurb Bigger story should be new head of state, not death of former one. The Kip (talk) 19:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Or we can combine the two. -- KTC (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Added alt2. -- KTC (talk) 19:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note I have crossed out the new guy becoming President of UAE as it appears that has not happened yet. -- KTC (talk) 19:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There's a subtle difference between becoming and already being, but whatever, I deleted mine. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt2—The longtime head of state of the UAE, a very influential nation-state in world affairs. Kurtis ^(talk) 23:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• RD Only Per DarkSide830; No reason for a blurb, especially when the death was of natural causes. I dont think a blurb adds anything. 4iamking (talk) 01:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - We can RD now. Discussion of blurb can continue. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD, discussion can continue. Black Kite (talk) 08:28, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Blurb - Mohammad bin Zayed's presidency has been officially announced https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/sheikh-mohamed-bin-zayed-elected-president-of-the-uae Prodrummer619 (talk) 09:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to Blurb combined with new president on the basis of ITNR now that's confirmed. -- KTC (talk) 10:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gino Cappelletti

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Ref improvements needed.—Bagumba (talk) 08:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Working on it, slowly. Little sleep, jet lag is no fun. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Should be ready now. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, per above. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per all above Support !votes. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Suzi Gablik

Nominator's comments: First reported today (May 12); died on May 7 —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:29, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Fine. Grimes2 (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, Article is good. Alex-h (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article is fine, nothing bad but nothing amazing either. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 15:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:38, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Prime Minister in Sri Lanka

Ranil Wickremesinghe

Articles: Ranil Wickremesinghe (talk · history · tag) and Mahinda Rajapaksa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Amidst protests, Ranil Wickremesinghe (pictured) is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Sri Lanka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Amidst protests, Ranil Wickremesinghe (pictured) is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Sri Lanka after Mahinda Rajapaksa's resignation.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not ITNR as president has more powers but still very significant, PM is the head of government. Wickremesinghe is part of the opposition, and this is a clear response of solving the political crisis in Sri Lanka. Swear in has occured on the same day as the appintment and his cabinet will most likely be a unity one. BastianMAT (talk) 14:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support and combine with earlier nom/blurb of 2022 Sri Lankan protests. The Kip (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Gotabaya Rajapaksa's move is more like a political ploy to save his family members, Mahinda and Namal from the possible arrests for inciting violence rather than a genuine bona fide response to the political crisis. So change the wording "Amidst a political crisis and protests, Ranil Wickremesinghe (pictured) is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Sri Lanka." So we won't pass a judgement on GR's intentions. Chanaka L (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Fixed, cheers! @Chanakal: BastianMAT (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose All the bolding and pictures in the world won't outemphasize the fact that there's an orange-tagged article porkbarreled into this proposition which is already under review by a separate committee (and that tacked-on PM article's tag could easily turn orange). Maybe when it gets better, it can be Ongoing. But this isn't the proper subvenue to decide that. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• (The crisis article was replaced by the protests article, slightly fixing the tag colour problem but slightly worsening the double nomination problem; one of these sections should be closed, at least.) InedibleHulk (talk) 19:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  As the title suggests, this nomination is based on the new prime minister but with the context of the protests. Have expanded and fixed the article.@InedibleHulk: BastianMAT (talk) 15:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It's still templated for lack of copyediting, has tags for needed citations and is essentially nominated below. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose on quality as Ranil Wickremesinghe needs significant sourcing improvements. If fixed, then would support posting this. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Expanded and sourced the article. @Joseph2302: BastianMAT (talk) 15:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article in good shape, topic is covered by reliable news sources. Checks all boxes. --Jayron32 17:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support altblurb - the earlier nomination below about the PM's resignation should have already been posted but it was shot down until a new PM comes in, so here it is. Now we are seeing opposition for some minor issues. Hindustani.Hulk (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support altblurb per User:Jayron32 and User:Hindustani.Hulk. Also support adding the protests to Ongoing as there are lots of developments and the article is kept up to date.–Jiaminglimjm (talk) 16:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comments: The Mahinda Rajapaksa article has a few {cn} tags and a few footnote-free paragraphs. The Ranil Wickremesinghe article has an orange {criticism} tag, a {cn} tag and a few footnote-free paragraphs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @PFHLai:, should be good now, have fixed both of articles, so they are well sourced, so it is finally ready! BastianMAT (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the new footnotes, BastianMAT. I didn't look through everything (two very long wikibios!), but I can see three {cn} tags in Mahinda Rajapaksa#Presidency, and the numbers in Ranil Wickremesinghe#Electoral history need references. --PFHLai (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Done! @PFHLai: BastianMAT (talk) 06:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, BastianMAT. Looking good. --PFHLai (talk) 10:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Stephen 06:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sagittarius A*

Article: Sagittarius A* (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Event Horizon Telescope releases an image of the supermassive black hole Sagittarius A*. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The supermassive black hole Sagittarius A* in the center of the Milky Way galaxy is imaged by the Event Horizon Telescope.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Scientists at the Event Horizon Telescope discover that the Milky Way runs Ubuntu.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by 24.28.96.202 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Sag A* is the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way so it has attracted a lot of interest. This is also the second black hole ever to be imaged. 24.28.96.202 (talk) 13:22, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support on principle but article(s) need updating first. -- KTC (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• In order to do this we need to update the article and upload the photo. At the moment the photo source does not provide a clear indication of copyright status. They actively encourage people to download and save the photos (copy) [28], but the page has a standard copyright notice. We may need to contact them and get that clarified. If somebody knows what copyright permission to use, I am happy to upload the images immediately. Jehochman ^Talk 13:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The M87* permission went through VRT. I imagine someone need to contact them and ask likewise here. -- KTC (talk) 13:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I already emailed EHT. If I get a response, where do I learn about the process that I should follow (if you know)? Jehochman ^Talk 13:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Nevermind, European Southern Observatory releases it under CC-BY-4.0 [29]. -- KTC (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I support the altblurb. We should mention the Milky Way. This is the first detailed picture of the most massive object in our galaxy. Jehochman ^Talk 14:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support in principle. This is important and interesting scientific news.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral, pending advice of Sagittarian Milky Way. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Question. How does this relate to an image that was photographed a couple of years ago? Same blackhole different picture? or is this a different one? Was that the big-deal because it was the first time we had imaged a blackhole and this the second time? Is this a different technology to photograph? Any additional details? Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Different one. M87* was a big deal because it was the first time. This one (2nd time) is a big deal because this supermassive black hole is the one at the centre of our own galaxy. -- KTC (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The first one was or is several hundred thousand times bigger, though, at least by my supershaky grasp of this list of most massive black holes. As a Milky Way native, I appreciate your point. But, objectively, is our black hole better in any physical way? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Veritasium has a pretty digestible visualization of how they relate to each other size-wise. Can't really argue that ours is better, but it is ours... Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 18:27, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Amen, brother! I mean, doctor. They sure are both awfully blurry from afar, though... InedibleHulk (talk) 18:36, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for the video Dr. Duh! Support posting. I know some might say this is the second image etc. but, I think it is worth posting. Ktin (talk) 19:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose Article needs ref work. When this is addressed then I'd support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, relevant news. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose While interesting science news it has little long term importance, and given that Webb is due for first light soon, rather me sure we are ready for that ITNR event. --Masem (t) 18:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Science has extremely long term importance. Standing on the Shoulders of Giants. Polyamorph (talk) 18:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  So does art, but that doesn't mean every subsequent auction, unearthing or burning inherits that broad sweeping generalization. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:02, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  No. But that really is not the point I was making. Polyamorph (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry for misunderstanding. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Tk add this really isn't all that easily digestible as a picture to a causal reader. I know the difficulties and enhancements needed to acquire this but it still looks like a blurry UFO photo, and if that's what is being pushed for the news aspect, its not a strong rationale. --Masem (t) 19:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support, supermassive news. Article has plentiful references. Polyamorph (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Huge achievement. Schierbecker (talk) 19:07, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support the alt blurb. Rarely are we able to get a photo of fabulous breaking news, so that absolutely deserves a spot on the front page. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The ability to get the photo is the breaking news here. What it depicts (to some degree) has been going on every day for billions of years. Not saying it's not a fabulous release, mind you, it might be! InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support It is difficult to argue the first glimpse of the centre of our own galaxy is not notable. Ivan (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  If I wanted to argue, though, I'd note this event doesn't have a standalone article like notable ones do. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]