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Wordle

Article: Wordle (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The viral word game, Wordle, is so popular that it is bought by the New York Times. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; Guardian; FT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Eviolite (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cerebral726 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I noticed my friends playing this and then wide coverage of the NYT purchase. The clincher was a report on The World at One just now – an interview with Jimmy Wales explaining that he plays it and comparing its success with Wikipedia. "...people are fed up with the viciousness of social media ... there's always a yearning for something simple and good..." Andrew🐉(talk) 14:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I've never even heard of this game CR-1-AB (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Partygate

Consensus is clearly against posting at this time.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Boris Johnson

Article: Partygate (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The initial findings of the Cabinet Office inquiry in to the Partygate scandal in the United Kingdom have been published by British prime minister Boris Johnson (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Sue Gray Report, detailing initial findings of a Cabinet office inquiry in to the partygate scandal in the United Kingdom has been published.
News source(s): AP, BBC News The Guardian Sky News The Telegraph, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A02:8010:69AD:0:871:2B2E:86DF:911B (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This report's contents (or, rather, the response to it) may put Boris Johnson's premiership in jeopardy. Johnson is due to update Parliament at 15:30 UTC. 2A02:8010:69AD:0:871:2B2E:86DF:911B (talk) 14:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait it's been all of 5 minutes since it was announced that the report had been released. No details of the report have yet been given. Unless there's a significant impact like it causes the PM to resign, then don't think this is ITN-worthy. Certainly too soon to be guessing the impact of this report. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait. We don't know what it says yet, and it is not the complete report as the police requested some information be held back as to not affect their investigation. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. This isn't a report, its an update and contains very little information. I would certainly dispute the altblub's use of the words "detailing" and "findings": there are none of either. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 14:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose and...what? What's next? The only news worthy for MP is Johnson's resignation and the appointment of a new British PM. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: The "report" is here. Am struggling to see one single fact that wasn't previously fully known in the public domain. And the startling "conclusion": "There is significant learning to be drawn from these events which must be addressed immediately across Government. This does not need to wait for the police investigations to be concluded." Wow, I bet Boris is busy packing his bags even as we speak. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  She is extremely limited in what I can say about those events and it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather. Wow what a political bombshell.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Apparently Boris and Co are still busy building 40 hospitals. But refreshing to get a mention of Jimmy Savile. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose ... for now. So it's been published. What's it say? Does a "serious failure of leadership" mean bye-bye Boris? – Sca (talk) 15:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• We get to hear Boris speak in 10 minutes. Don't hold your breath. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. Just had time to grab some popcorn before the entertainment began. – Sca (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose unless Johnson is forced from office over it. At the moment this is a minor political scandal and we don't usually do domestic politics. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – Oh, he's going to "get on with the job," make changes, etc. – Sca (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC) →[reply]

• Comment What the heck is this anyway? --WaltCip-(talk) 15:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose This isn't the actual, full report and it hasn't actually led to any tangible changes (i.e. Boris resigning, which would be the event which merits a blurb).--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait it's a rapidly developing story, and not as minor as some make it out to be. Would "Watergate" make it onto here? Yes. Would any major scandal involving the leader and most if not all of any country's cabinet make it? Yes. Pandemic restrictions and government handling a global issue? Certainly. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Watergate was a full on crime and coverup that resulted in the resignation of the president and the convictions and jail sentences of many of his top people, so apples and oranges aside from the -gate suffix. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait until this results in a leadership change; if it doesn't it's much ado about nothing. --Jayron32 16:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Not the full report as the criminal investigation is still ongoing. And Boris hasn't gone yet.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Watergate was more interesting. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I do not think we should be downplaying the importance and scale of corruption and severity of callousness just because that is what those accused are doing, waiting for ever more investigations. That is exactly what is happening and we should be impartial and not falling for this line of defence; "not a full report", "still police matter", "no-one resigned" are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now he's running against Putin. – Sca (talk) 16:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "not a full report", "still police matter", "no-one resigned" are irrelevant to the issue at hand. These are exactly the measures of importance that we use for ITN. The fact that a 12 page report has been published which tells people basically nothing, and the impact of which is currently low is exactly the reason why this shouldn't be posted now. If there is an important fallout/consequences from this, then and only then should this be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for now. This is a big scandal, but the report says, in effect, 'I can't report anything because the police are investigating'. If/when Johnson resigns we should post a blurb, not yet. Modest Genius ^talk 16:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now If/when the former host of Have I Got News For You resigns, then come back to it. But bring a suitcase full of booze when it happens. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - there seems to be nothing significant coming out of this at present.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Leonard Fenton

 DobermanPincherDeirdre

Support Tags all done. Ready to be posted. DobermanPincherDeirdre (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Portuguese legislative election

António Costa

Article: 2022 Portuguese legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Portuguese legislative election, the Socialist Party, led by António Costa (pictured), wins a majority of seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Socialist Party, led by António Costa (pictured), wins a majority of seats in the Portuguese legislative election.
News source(s): Euronews, France24, APNews, Reuters, Theguardian, DW
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 98% votes counted counted, its been confirmed that PS will receive the most seats, PS has celebrated the results [4], Costa has been congratulated by several leaders such as the Spanish PM [5] and most importantly RS has declared it a victory for the Socialist Party which makes it a suitable nomination. [6], [7] So far the article has looked promising and in good shape. BastianMAT (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Not change of head of gov, but still de facto ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please note, WP:ITN/R includes general election results. Joofjoof (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no such thing as de facto ITN/R, as it is itself literally a rule. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note Updated the blurbs. It looks like the constituency-level results are still being released. Joofjoof (talk) 06:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• The tables need to be updated with results and there should be a Reactions or Aftermath section, otherwise this is ITNR. --Tone 08:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality until results added and some text is added about the outcome aftermath. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready. The results tables lists every party as 0%, there's no prose on the outcome, reactions to the unexpected majority etc. Needs work before it can be posted. Modest Genius ^talk 11:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've added the reaction of every party leader to the aftermath section. Given as the Socialists have a majority, there won't be any coalition negotiations like in the German election, so that's about all unless there are any more resignations. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. That's good enough prose for me, struck above. The table still needs final percentages though. Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Nominator comment @Tone:, @Joseph2302:, @Modest Genius: I expanded the article, and someone added the full results, article should be ready now. BastianMAT (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Support alt1. Looks good to me. Modest Genius ^talk 18:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ... Alt1 – Article looks acceptable. – Sca (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting, nice work! --Tone 19:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose/pull on quality. There is actually no prose on the policies/campaigning/analysis. Only information on voting procedures and rewording voting stats Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support - I think the quality is OK. There could be a bit more on campaigning, certainly, but the basics are there and there is a prose summary of the results and reactions, which sometimes these things lack.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: S. K. Paramasivan

Nominator's comments: Indian former Member of Parliament. Article requires some work before it is ready for homepage / RD. Edits done. Article is a reasonable C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 03:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Australian Open

Article: 2022 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Rafael Nadal (pictured) wins the Men's singles and Ashleigh Barty wins the Women's singles at the Australian Open. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times (CBS Sports)
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article needs work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Not ready. There is no prose on the actual sport - just a table of winners. The article spends more time talking about Djokovic's vaccination status than it does about the tennis. The individual articles on the men's and women's singles don't have any prose either. Modest Genius ^talk 12:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality as per Modest Genius, we need some actual text on the tennis itself e.g. summary of the main competitions. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above. A prose summary is required for each of the events that took place within the tournament.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jeff Innis

 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cheslie Kryst

Nominator's comments: One of the only black women to win Miss USA Trillfendi (talk) 23:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Looks sourced and good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 00:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jo Kendall

Nominator's comments: One of the few women in that generation of British comedy, her "John and Mary" sketches with Cleese would always crack me up. There don't seem to be any mainstream obituaries yet but I expect that the BBC will wake up soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Work needed on referencing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Also missing anything on her life after 1993. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sam Lay

Nominator's comments: American drummer. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Green (baseball)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Obviously long enough with 1026 words of readable prose. Formatting looks fine. There seems to be enough footnotes across the prose. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Hesseman

Nominator's comments: American actor from WKRP in Cincinnati, Head of the Class, etc. Ryan Reeder (talk) 23:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note Ready Referencing is quite poor and will need some work before this can be posted. Not bothering with CN tags. There would be too many. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ralph Mellanby

Nominator's comments: Executive producer of Hockey Night in Canada (1966–85). Joofjoof (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Adequate article, somewhat big name. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 12:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) January 2022 North American blizzard

(Closed) Tom Brady retirement

No official announcement has yet been made; nomination can be re-opened if confirmed (or renominated if occurs in the future). Spencer^T•C 03:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tom Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ National Football League quarterback Tom Brady announces his retirement after 22 seasons. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by 331dot (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: I am aware this will be controversial. However, we have posted the retirements of top sportspeople before, Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar, when they are generally considered to be the best in the sport. I think Brady qualifies. I haven't specifed his current team(Tampa Bay Buccaneers) as most of his career was with the New England Patriots, but have no problem with doing so, or other blurb changes. 331dot (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - I'm aware this nomination thread will become a calamity due to it being a U.S.-centric item and the NFL to boot. But there are few sportsmen who can legitimately place themselves in the ranks of "greatest of all time", no matter what the sport, unlike Tom Brady.--WaltCip-(talk) 20:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose At least with Ferguson and Tendulkar, we're talking international sport and play, so there's a bar of comparison across the globe. With gridiron football, its very limited, and many will argue if Brady is the best of all time there (compared to others like Joe Montana, etc.). --

Masem (t) 20:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's no longer any real comparison between Brady and Montana or any other QB. Montana was the most important player on 4 Super Bowl-winning teams. Brady was the most important player on 7, with 3 other teams that went to the Super Bowl. Brady essentially had a second Hall of Fame career after the age of 38 when Montana retired. It could be argued that Montana faced more restrictive rules and defenses than Brady did, but Brady also accomplished his 7 titles in a league with a salary cap, free agency, and more overall parity than Montana dealt with. There really isn't any serious argument against Brady being the best ever to play the game. 65.24.244.191 (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gridiron football is played internationally. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere close to the levels of cricket or association football. --Masem (t) 20:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Masem. I can't wait to see the retirement of the best player in the history of petanque nominated. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WaltCip. It's certainly in the news, even internationally. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where is there international coverage? HiLo48 (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, while not the top story on any, it's on the front page of skysports.com, L'Equipe, and La Gazzetta dello Sport. 65.24.244.191 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• To add, this is not confirmed. Eg [14]; all the sources are reported on "inside reports". --Masem (t) 20:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strongest possible oppose No retirements of sports players in sports that are not genuinely international Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the lack of competition in the sport and therefore the lack of justification for posting a retirement, but thanks for admitting that this is a one-country sport. Your extreme parochialism is well-known Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bumbubookworm What exactly does that mean? I make great effort to set aside my personal biases and support nominations irrespective of where they are from. Who exactly am I "well known" among? I take offense at your comment. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the level of competition is so high in cricket then why is the best player a batsman 67% better than anyone else? That doesn't usually happen in the most competitive sports. Why is it that some from countries of parochial population and acreage think sub-international always means "lack of competition"? It's the most popular sport in a country of a third of a billion people and $22 trillion GDP (almost as big as the Eurozone). The country is also the size of Europe. While full UN members can of course be the population and GDP of a small town, some are. Borders are just an accident of history. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - A sports player retiring, even one as good as Brady, doesn't seem to meet the bar of global notability to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  But ITN doesn't have a global notability bar. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning oppose. Old man retires. Maybe we should add a "Recent retirements" next to the "Recent deaths" line. BD2412 T 21:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support We have occasionally done retirements and a sportsperson of Brady's stature is one of those rare cases. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose respectfully. We do not do retirements. Nor should we. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ad Orientem That is demonstratably not correct, that we "do not do retirements". We have, and do. They are rare- and should be- but if retiring after winning seven Super Bowls over a 22 year career(Brady was the last active player drafted in 2000) doesn't merit posting, what does? 331dot (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - (edit conflict) I've never only commented here once before :P, but it seems that the discussion is for Brady's retirement would be ITN, not how great he was. He is good enough to be news worthy on this point. Just my 2¢ - FlightTime (open channel) 21:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose An official decision has not been made yet, at least per this report. Support if/when official and article updated. Spencer^T•C 22:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - At this stage. Unless someone can convince me that we would EVER post the retirement of an Australian rules football player. HiLo48 (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And why in hell wouldn't we, if they were qualified enough? WaltCip-(talk) 00:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If they get in American football with 13 times the fans should get in. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not sure what you're getting at there. HiLo48 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. The opposition to the inclusion of sporting news in ITN is rather bizarre; it's definitely in the news, and I don't see why sports are any less newsworthy than other sorts of news. The event would clearly be newsworthy and the article on Brady is good. I'm opposing because Brady hasn't actually announced his retirement, per USA Today <https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/tom-brady-retiring-adam-schefter-report/> and the Associated Press <https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/1/29/22908080/tom-brady-retirement>. The frequent denials of the ESPN reporting seem to be indicative that this is premature. However, I would strongly support this when Brady actually announces his retirement (whether it be this year or next). — Mhawk10 (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• TROUTS for every supporter per Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions. We wait for official announcements and Brady's people have pushed back on this.[15][16] – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be a jerk. The sources that initially reported he was retiring was reliable. Even reliable sources can make mistakes. WaltCip-(talk) 00:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WaltCip, have you ever read Template:Trout? Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. And no, it was not reliable reporting, otherwise it would have been accurate. This ESPN piece that I'm surprised is still up says sources say and sources told ESPN. As discussed in the essay I linked, that's not corroboration. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WP:SACHINTENDULKAR --LaserLegs (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Sergio Mattarella re-elected President of Italy

Article: 2022 Italian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sergio Mattarella is elected President of Italy for a second term (Post)
News source(s): BBC Corriere della Sera
Credits:

• Nominated by Yakme (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nick.mon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Election of a head of state. Also, the re-election of an Italian president is considered to be an exceptional event in Italian politics. Yakme (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose this is a ceremonial post Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So is every European monarch Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support News of international relevance, reported on front pages of all newspapers and website.--Holapaco77 (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as election results were often posted in ITN. As Yakme pointed out, Mattarella got re-elected, with only Giorgio Napolitano achieving that feat before him, so it's quite an exceptional event. Also, this is of relevance both national and international, as Italy is a major power in Europe, but currently is in a political crisis. Therefore, the President, although in a mainly ceremonial role, has a lot of influence in serving as a mediator of unity in a politically divided country/society. - CDE34RFV (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah, interesting. Thanks for adding context. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per CDE34RFV. Re-election is rare in Italy, with the seven-year term usually being a lifetime achievement award for the most experienced judges and politicians. It is even more unusual as Mattarella was counting himself out until a few hours ago. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I'm not opposing this but it seems less significant to me because the President of Italy is not chosen by popular vote, but from a meeting of parliament and regional officials. 331dot (talk) 22:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Something similar is true of the U.S. President, because of our jury-rigged political system. (The statement "The POTUS is not chosen by popular vote" is strictly true.) Of course, POTUS is both head of state and head of government. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Point taken, although the US President is chosen by people specifically selected for that purpose and are bound by popular vote to choose a particular candidate; the US President is not chosen by Congress and state governors. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. A country electing its head of state is noteworthy enough for this. The President has real power over the Italian armed forces and is not purely ceremonial. — Mhawk10 (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• If it is "exceptional", sounds good to me. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support As much RS coverage has remarked, the President of Italy is far more than just ceremonial in practice, particularly with the current state of Italian politics. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 03:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose powerless figurehead, elected by representatives from the national assembly not a popular vote. Utterly irrelevant. The Prime Minister of Italy wields actual authority. A country electing its "head of state" is not especailly noteworthy when that title is honorific and I don't understand how that argument keeps surfacing. If WP:ITNC is not a simple !vote count, there is no reason for this to be posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting. As indicated above, in this case, the president is not purely ceremonial, and the article is extensive. --Tone 07:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Role is largely ceremonial, even if it does have a few vestigial powers. Doesn't reach reach the threshold for ITN/R, and could open the floodgates for two postings per country in other cases too, which would be excessive.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, the nomination has not been treated as ITNR, but as a regular nomination that saw sufficient support to post. --Tone 10:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose except it didn't have sufficient support by any reasonable measure, especially to post so quickly and in contradiction to established precedent. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Except that when it got posted it had 5 Supports to 2 Opposes (more than a 2 to 1 supermajority) after 11 hours 44 minutes, which seems fairly reasonable to me. But I strongly agree that it should be viewed as basically a ceremonial post. Most ceremonial heads of state are nominally heads of the armed forces and have some sort of role to play in a hung parliament, so treating this post as non-ceremonial, as arguably unnecessarily stated by the poster, may possibly risk undermining the hard-won recently established new consensus on ITNR in this area (a consensus with which I now strongly agree, even though I had little to do with it, apart perhaps from unexpectedly and arguably regrettably succeeding with an ITNR nom that should arguably have failed on quality grounds and that perhaps annoyed enough people to help bring about the ITNR change ). Of course being ceremonial need not bar it from being posted if it has enough support, but how ceremonial it is or isn't should arguably be a question solely for supporters and opponents and, at least in future, should arguably not be cited by the posting admin as a reason for posting. Tlhslobus (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Post-posting Support because I personally think we should usually (subject to quality, etc) have 2 postings for 'important' countries (provisionally defined as population of 50 million or more) that have separate heads of state and government. I am strongly opposed to the notion that we should, for instance, not post changes in the President of India or the Queen of England or the Emperor of Japan simply because some people fear that might also allow two postings for lots of small countries (including my own, Ireland). If we don't post the Italian ceremonial head of state, that risks lots of anti-British editors using that as justification for trying to block the new monarch of England/of the United Kingdom (perhaps especially if the Queen changes her mind and decides to retire rather than die in office), which might result in some undesirable editor and reader retention problems, etc. Similar editor and reader retention problems may arise if we fail to post a change in the President of India, etc... Of course if and when we do end up with too many postings this will tend to be self-fixing as long as these postings are not forced on us by ITNR (as they won't be, given our (fairly) new ITNR criteria). Tlhslobus (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• New Normal? Does this now open us up to posting Presidents and Prime Ministers of most countries? E.g. India. I am alright with that, but, we should codify it if that is the expectation. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 18:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It makes very little sense to me, and I'm not quite sure why this one was posted, given what we have and haven't posted in the past. We should at least have some sort of convention on this, rather than relying on whoever turns up and happens to WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT on the night...  — Amakuru (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The whole reason we setlled on the green shaded cell for List of current heads of state and government was to end the endless back and forth regarding ITN/R. It doesn't stop someone from nominating a powerless figurehead appointed outside the popular vote as was the case here. If you want to try to codify the practice WT:ITN is the place to do it. IMO there may be cases where these kinds of stories are noteworthy but this wasn't one of them. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @LaserLegs and Amakuru: agree with both of you. Anyways, onwards and upwards! Ktin (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In practice any codification is probably going to have to include the British monarch, and the least harmful/'least racist' way to do that seems to be to say 'countries with population over 50 million'. Or does anybody have a less unacceptable criterion (although this is probably the wrong forum for this discussion)? Tlhslobus (talk) 12:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Harold R. Steele

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Long enough (500+ words of readable prose), with enough footnotes placed in expected spots, and the formatting looks fine. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Diego Verdaguer

Nominator's comments: Mexican-Argentinian singer, multiple Latin Grammy nominee; over 20 million records sold according to BBC. Article needs a lot of attention. --2806:109F:1:16E1:CC73:D5BD:447B:57C5 (talk) 21:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – A 98-word stub plus unreferenced discography. – Sca (talk) 23:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Per Sca - FlightTime (open channel) 08:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gene Clines

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Meets minimum standards for depth of coverage; fully referened. Spencer^T•C 05:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Georg Christoph Biller

Nominator's comments: German choral conductor, Thomaskantor. Grimes2 (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I created the article for the 16th person in the position after Bach in 2010. Some refs were missing, dead or unreliable, but Grimes2 did a great job, including adding content. We recently added the article for the 18th successor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• A little short but still long enough (>400 words), formatting looks fine and there are enough footnotes across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. AGF'd all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 07:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johan Hultin

Nominator's comments: Swedish American pathologist. Discovered tissues containing traces of the 1918 influenza virus from graves in Alaskan permafrost. Thriley (talk) 07:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article looks ready to me, seems to adequately cover what he was notable for. Spencer^T•C 04:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charanjit Singh

Nominator's comments: Indian hockey captain. Article is currently a stub and needs to be expanded. Edits done. Article is a reasonable C-class biography and is good to go to the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is now 2974 characters, and referencing looks good. Joofjoof (talk) 04:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry Cryer

Nominator's comments: Comedy performer and writer whose career spanned decades and a range of comedy styles. The article needs some updating - a little thin in content, and much under-referenced. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E5F5:136:21C0:A3AB (talk) 10:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support agree with nominator that the article needs some work though, especially his later work. jonas (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Have added more sources. A comedy genius. But then don't trust me. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support purely on good faith in my more clever comedy associate here with the dryer British knowhow. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or did you mean your dire British, etc.? – Sca (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Elps ta keep ya sensa yuma, dunnit." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Janet Mead

Nominator's comments: Australian Catholic nun & pop-rock singer. 700+ words of readable prose. Could use more footnotes here and there, almost ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Bannett

Nominator's comments: Inventor of Shabbat elevator, passed away at 100 years of age. 800+ words of readable prose, with at least 2 footnotes/paragraph. It would be great if someone familiar with Shabbat and engineering to review the contents of this wikibio, as I am clueless if the appropriate vocabulary is in use. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 16:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PFHLai, I'm not an engineer, but I am Jewish and attended a synagogue with a Shabbat elevator. We're not allowed to "create a spark" on Shabbat, which is interpreted as a prohibition on using anything electronic, so the elevator is programmed in advance to go one floor at a time, one of our many loopholes we've carved out. Seems he worked on some other loopholes I didn't know about too. Jewish terminology is sensible to me. Any particular questions? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Muboshgu. I don't have any specific questions. I was concerned that there may be some religiously/culturally inappropriate materials that need to be dealt with before the link goes on ITN. I am glad that things are "sensible". Thanks, again. --PFHLai (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems to meet the criteria. The Shabbat elevator, which Bannet invented, really is a "thing" in the Jewish world, with special importance for hospitals and such.--Geewhiz (talk) 16:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jeremiah Stamler

Nominator's comments: American cardiologist. Article requires work. Not too far away. Ktin (talk) 05:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Ana

Article: Tropical Storm Ana (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Ana kills 88 people across Madagascar, Mozambique and Malawi. (Post)
News source(s): (The Guardian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Large death toll from a tropical storm. Mentioned in 2022’s timeline and Weather of 2022. Easily ITN worthy. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose on quality (support on notability tho) – Article needs at least some expansion over the two sentences in the lead and impact section at present. Met hist is also incomplete. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support due the large death toll, Oppose on quality the article need expansion as per Cyclonebiskit. HurricaneEdgar 05:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality as needs expansion. If expanded, then consider this a support- looks more than important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Thin, undersourced. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Like others, there is only one sentence about the impact. Would support this if expanded to give a more complete picture of the impact of the storm. --Jayron32 18:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Per Cyclonebiskit. Nyanardsan (talk) 20:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Heinz Werner Zimmermann

Nominator's comments: German church musician and professor, whose music was influenced by jazz, and whose key work premiered in Minneapolis. The article was begun in 2006 by Jerome Kohl, - long live his memory also. Sorry, I was on vacation, and missed a notice in the FAZ printed on 27 Jan. Hope it's not too late for him. - There's Biller open, 27 Jan, successor of JS Bach, - why? If something is missing, tell me. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• With 2500 characters (385 words) of readable prose, it's a little short, but still long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. There seems to be enough footnotes, though I have to AGF all non-English sources. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: One unsourced sentence with a CN tag. Spencer^T•C 05:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  sorry, my fault, it happened when I split the para to insert the pic. I now copied the following ref (Grove) and added another which is online without subscription. Spencer, what's missing for Biller (27 Jan)?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Sourced start article. Grimes2 (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jean-Claude Corbeil

 Bloom6132 (talk) 14:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Long enough (400+ words), formatting looks fine, and there are enough footnotes across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. AGF'd the non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks fine. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Robbins

Nominator's comments: Voice actor for Charlie Brown in the early Peanuts TV specials and the first movie. Death announced yesterday. Article is comprehensive and well referenced. –FlyingAce^✈hello 17:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Seems well sourced and it is getting a lot of media attention. Jtnav04 (talk) 19:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Well sourced. An editor has recently added a statement at the end about Robbins not having married or had children. This may need to be sourced or removed before posting to RD, but it seems good to go once that is dealt with. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Filmography and Awards lack any references. Stephen 04:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Two whole sections are tagged for lacking references. That needs to be fixed before I can support posting this to the main page. --Jayron32 18:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Milena Salvini

Nominator's comments: Winner of India's fourth highest civilian award the Padma Shri Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – A bit thin at 220 words of text. – Sca (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Entire decades of her biography are missing from the text. We have about 1 sentence of information from 1962, 1975, 1980, 1999, and 2001. That's MASSIVELY incomplete for a person notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Someone needs to expand this with solid references before it is ready for the main page. --Jayron32 18:28, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ozzie

Nominator's comments: African-born western lowland gorilla who resided at the Zoo Atlanta from 1988 until his death. TJMSmith (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – Might that be "the world's oldest living male gorilla in captivity"? – 17:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I think that is likely true. I stuck to how the sources stated it. TJMSmith (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Old gorilla di...I mean, referencing looks good. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oh sweet Jesus, you had me worried about the other one for a minute there. Anyways, Support; good referencing and nice article. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 03:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Stephen or another admin: could we change the link from Ozzie to Ozzie (gorilla)? Right now, it's an WP:EASTEREGG, and when people see Ozzie, they're much more likely to assume Ozzy Osbourne (even though the spelling is different). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• But we would never just put Ozzy on its own? Stephen 10:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Aye, Ozzy Osbourne has a surname to set him apart. This is Ozzie, the mononym. Don't treat him like a freak just because he wasn't human, I advise. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In practice, we've almost never added disambigutors to RD displays, though there's occasional rumblings about doing so for non-primary topics.—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Erwin Eisch

Nominator's comments: artist in glass from Bavaria who used the material as a means of expression, internationally known - the article was written long ago by a user who left in 2011, many offline sources, the latest refs support the content but many details need to be be believed Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I've added some ISBN and OCLC. Article ok. Grimes2 (talk) 11:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 22:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wim Jansen

Nominator's comments: Member of the great Dutch football team of the 1970s, later won the Scottish league in his one season as manager of Celtic. I've painstakingly sourced this through English, Dutch and French sources. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:2870:1B66:F076:7A1C (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support No issues.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support article looks good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Question: Is the table of Club statistics complete? Looks a bit too empty. There should be some figures on each row in the totals column, no? --PFHLai (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Verifying that it is the total is hard to do as there seems to be little in recording appearances in the KNVB Cup. This website [17] shades its cells in red where the data is incomplete, which is every season except his very last one. Even this Dutch website doesn't track KNVB Cup stats on Jansen at all [18] I don't know if this is a blow against posting the recent death. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:AC0D:AEB:53CB:48D1 (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I see that new numbers have been added to the table. --PFHLai (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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