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=== [[:Sascha Vogt]] ===
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[[WP:BLP]], referenced solely to a [[WP:PRIMARYSOURCES|primary source]] profile on the self-published website of his own political party rather than any evidence of [[WP:RS|reliable source]] coverage in real media, of a person notable only as a former chairperson of a political party's youth chapter. This is not an automatic free pass over [[WP:NPOL]] just because he exists, but would require him to pass [[WP:GNG]] on depth of media coverage. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
[[WP:BLP]], referenced solely to a [[WP:PRIMARYSOURCES|primary source]] profile on the self-published website of his own political party rather than any evidence of [[WP:RS|reliable source]] coverage in real media, of a person notable only as a former chairperson of a political party's youth chapter. This is not an automatic free pass over [[WP:NPOL]] just because he exists, but would require him to pass [[WP:GNG]] on depth of media coverage. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politicians|list of Politicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politicians|list of Politicians-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Germany|list of Germany-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Germany|list of Germany-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
*<s>'''Delete'''</s> '''Move to DRAFT''' to incubate <sup>17:29, 19 May 2019 (UTC)</sup> – fails GNG. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 05:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - fails GNG. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 05:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' The biography is a stub, but the claim that the only notability notability comes through his chairmanship of the youth chapter isn't true. He's still today a member of the board of the SPD (Parteivorstand) on the national level, which happens to be one of the ruling parties federal level in Germany.
*'''Keep''' The biography is a stub, but the claim that the only notability notability comes through his chairmanship of the youth chapter isn't true. He's still today a member of the board of the SPD (Parteivorstand) on the national level, which happens to be one of the ruling parties federal level in Germany.
:Additionally, there are plenty of news articles that talk about him. I added six links to mainstream media sources but it would be easy to add more. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style='color: #0000EE;'>'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 14:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
:Additionally, there are plenty of news articles that talk about him. I added six links to mainstream media sources but it would be easy to add more. [[User:ChristianKl|<span style='color: #0000EE;'>'''ChristianKl'''</span>]] ❪[[User talk:ChristianKl|✉]]❫ 14:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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<small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 09:12, 19 May 2019 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:Relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Sascha Vogt]]</noinclude></div><!-- Please add new comments below this line -->
*'''Delete''' this refbombed blurb of triviality. Refund when actual notability happens. [[User:Trillfendi|Trillfendi]] ([[User talk:Trillfendi|talk]]) 14:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' this refbombed blurb of triviality. Refund when actual notability happens. [[User:Trillfendi|Trillfendi]] ([[User talk:Trillfendi|talk]]) 14:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Move to draft''' - if there are other noteworthy facts about him that can be properly sourced, let's see them and then we can reconsider. [[User:Greenrd|greenrd]] ([[User talk:Greenrd|talk]]) 19:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
*'''Move to draft space''' per suggestiong by [[User:Atsme]] Subject may be notable but the article is a stub and I cannot be bothered to work on it. The references should be formatted properly and the article developed. <small><span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;">[[User:Lubbad85|<span style="color:white;background:red;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Lubbad85 '''</span>]]</span></small>([[User talk:Lubbad85|<b style="color:#060">☎</b>]]) 16:54, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

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WP:BLP, referenced solely to a primary source profile on the self-published website of his own political party rather than any evidence of reliable source coverage in real media, of a person notable only as a former chairperson of a political party's youth chapter. This is not an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL just because he exists, but would require him to pass WP:GNG on depth of media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 04:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - fails GNG. Atsme Talk 📧 05:15, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The biography is a stub, but the claim that the only notability notability comes through his chairmanship of the youth chapter isn't true. He's still today a member of the board of the SPD (Parteivorstand) on the national level, which happens to be one of the ruling parties federal level in Germany.
Additionally, there are plenty of news articles that talk about him. I added six links to mainstream media sources but it would be easy to add more. ChristianKl❫ 14:17, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You have to use references to support content, not just factoids in the infobox, before they actually constitute support for notability. Bearcat (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bearcat: What existing Wikipedia policy rules that what's in the infobox isn't content?
The policy says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". The election of a new JUSO chairperson is an event that receives "significant coverage in reliable sources". The sources I linked indicate so. ChristianKl❫ 09:46, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A single statement that the person exists, paired with an infobox but no substantive body text, is not a proper Wikipedia article. Articles need to be substantive to have any encyclopedic value. Bearcat (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bearcat - perhaps a move to DRAFT would work? That will give the article creator time to actually make it a WP article with proper sourcing. Atsme Talk 📧 16:57, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:12, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this refbombed blurb of triviality. Refund when actual notability happens. Trillfendi (talk) 14:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to draft - if there are other noteworthy facts about him that can be properly sourced, let's see them and then we can reconsider. greenrd (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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