Daniela Georgieva

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I'm nominating this article for deletion in my capacity as an OTRS volunteer on behalf of the article subject (re: OTRS Ticket#: 2012012510010846)

Dear Wikipedia Foundation,

My name is Daniela Georgieva I am writing to you because I want to request that my Wikipedia page please be deleted because it is badly informed and is causing me and my family to suffer emotional distress. Also I would not like for my personal information (date of birth and place) to be available to anyone. So I would like to ask you to please delete my page. Here is the link to my page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Georgieva

Thank you for your time. Best Regards,

Daniela Georgieva

Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Neutral I am tempted to suggest honouring the request, out of politeness and out of the fact we don't like causing distress. At the very least, I have redacted the specific biographical details, per policy. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 17:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To respond to the points below, it doesn't matter if it's on the IAAF or whatever, it's just beneficial to be nice sometimes - and remember, it being on the IAAF weakens the case for keeping it here in other respects. - Jarry1250 ^{[Deliberation needed]} 19:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Its a very strange thing to want to deny date of birth when the IAAF and many other sports websites list it anyway. Would the IAAF censor her birthdate too? She appears to meet WP:ATHLETE. We cannot bow down on a whim to people who want to deny people the right to knowledge. Anything "badly informed" can be fixed. We should not delete articles like this. It comes down to pure embarrassment in front of her pupils that she was banned for doping and obviously wants to get on with her life and put it behind her which is fair enough but I think it would be wrong for wikipedia to hide it. If Marion Jones contacted wikipedia asking the same thing should we delete her article too? How about Jennifer Capriati? Should the German and French wiki articles also be deleted?

In all fairness though there isn't an abundance of sources about her, but the bronze medal at the 1995 IAAF, being a national record holder and being an Olympic competitor I think make her notable and it would be wrong to delete an article on a Bronze medal contributor. I sympathise that she wants to hide her past, but the information is present on the Internet anyway. At the very worst we could remove the mention of the doping and keep the info on her career intact but that would be censorship?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:43, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep absent a more specific, reasonable request identifying inappropriate content. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep Not hugely notable per WP:GNG. There are also signs of WP:ADAM as the biographical detail is rather thin. As for the date/place of birth issue, there is a source here which seems OK. Possibly there is a dislike of the failed drug test in 1996 being mentioned, but if anything is outright wrong in the article, it should be mentioned clearly as a reason for deletion. Attempts were made to blank the page in January 2012 [1], leading to suggestions of a conflict of interest.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Dr. Blofeld.--В и к и T 19:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
•  Question: Can someone explain why our policy on biographies of living people does not apply here? In particular the section which states "If the subject complains about the inclusion of the date of birth, or the person is borderline notable, err on the side of caution and simply list the year"? Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because its a silly request when you are just one click away from finding her birthdate on the IAAF or sports reference website..♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is standard practice for athletics websites to give a person's full DOB, so there is no great intrusion of privacy here. It is rather like Jim Hawkins (radio presenter) telling his radio listeners and Twitter followers when his birthday is, then complaining when Wikipedia mentions it.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:21, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That policy doesn't say "if the subject complains about the inclusion of the date of birth, and the person's birthdate doesn't appear on other websites". You're reading a limitation into the policy that's not there. It just says if they complain, period. Ken Arromdee (talk) 19:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is borderline-notable and there's been a request from the subject. Policy allows removal in such cases, and human decency requires removing it. Ken Arromdee (talk) 19:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment This AFD is a rerun of Jim Hawkins (radio presenter). Factually correct statements that have appeared in reliable sources are not a major cause of concern, although there are notability issues.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The subject of the article easily passes WP:NSPORTS as she "has competed in the Olympics or senior IAAF World Championships"; the page should be kept despite her request for deletion as there are no notability concerns. Our guidelines allow for the exact date of birth to be removed if the subject requests it, whether or not it's easily available elsewhere is irrelevant; we should leave out the full date and protect the page. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 19:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]