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Of course, the fact that I have not fled Wikipedia due to harassment from the likes of Orangemarlin does not prove that he is a good guy. Likewise, just because Severa left Wikipedia for a period of time does not prove that I am a bad guy. Nevertheless, Odd Nature, Killer Chihuahua, and Severa all assert at this evidence page that I should be banned from Wikipedia because Severa chose to leave Wikipedia for a period of time. Severa’s break, in and of itself, does not prove anything. Sometimes editors become frustrated when they are not able to own an article, sometimes they have a thin skin, and as KillerChihuahua has noted, sometimes editors use “claims of having been wronged to attempt to gain leverage over others." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACommunity_sanction_noticeboard&diff=159277562&oldid=159193695][[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 14:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Of course, the fact that I have not fled Wikipedia due to harassment from the likes of Orangemarlin does not prove that he is a good guy. Likewise, just because Severa left Wikipedia for a period of time does not prove that I am a bad guy. Nevertheless, Odd Nature, Killer Chihuahua, and Severa all assert at this evidence page that I should be banned from Wikipedia because Severa chose to leave Wikipedia for a period of time. Severa’s break, in and of itself, does not prove anything. Sometimes editors become frustrated when they are not able to own an article, sometimes they have a thin skin, and as KillerChihuahua has noted, sometimes editors use “claims of having been wronged to attempt to gain leverage over others." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACommunity_sanction_noticeboard&diff=159277562&oldid=159193695][[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 14:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

====Articles related to abortion and reproduction====
KillerChihuahua and Severa allege wrongdoing by me at the articles concerning [[RCOG]], [[Fetal Pain]], [[Pregnancy]], [[Stillbirth]], [[Mother]], and [[Abortion]]. Even if their allegations were correct, most of my Wikipedia edits in this reproduction-related area have been on other articles rather than those six:[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Ferrylodge&site=en.wikipedia.org]

511 Roe v. Wade
297 Fetus
143 Abortion in the United States
123 Intact dilation and extraction
117 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act
110 Gonzales v. Carhart

For example, I brought the [[Roe v. Wade]] article through a Featured Article Review,[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Roe_v._Wade/archive1] at the end of which I was praised for “brilliant work.”[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AFeatured_article_review%2FRoe_v._Wade%2Farchive1&diff=105677080&oldid=105676480] Today, Severa added an allegation to this Evidence page of wrongdoing by me on Roe v. Wade. She cites two “problematic changes made to the Roe article,” which she disagreed with.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Roe_v._Wade/archive1&oldid=102555241] Those two matters were successfully addressed during the featured article review, and I strongly object to the conversion of a minor content dispute into grounds for banishing me permanently from Wikipedia.[[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 17:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


''I will present further evidence, including evidence responding to that presented by others.[[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 15:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
''I will present further evidence, including evidence responding to that presented by others.[[User:Ferrylodge|Ferrylodge]] 15:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

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Evidence presented by User:Rocksanddirt

Ferrylodge was banned appropriately by the CSN

Following this discussion and the user's (User:Ferrylodge)attempts to manipulate it, he was banned. I feel that it would have been better for the ban to have waited another 24 or 48 hrs to happen, but consensus was for site ban, not one of the alternative proposals. --Rocksanddirt 17:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence presented by User:B

Timeline

All times GMT if I did the math right - please correct if I didn't

  • Ferrylodge (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) - edit count
  • 02:09, 29 April 2004 - Ferrylodge's first edit
  • ca December 2006 - Ferrylodge becomes a regular contributor (169 total edits prior)
  • 16:45, 20 September 2007 - MastCell blocked for a 3RR violation on Stillbirth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
  • 23:32, 20 September 2007 - KillerChihuahua proposes the ban [1]
  • 03:05, 21 September 2007 - MastCell unblocked Ferrylodge so that he could participate in the CSN discussion)
  • 18:23, 21 September 2007 - FeloniousMonk made the indefinite block

KillerChihuahua and Ferrylodge

  • KillerChihuahua (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
  • 15:11, 20 September 2007 - KillerChihuahua makes a highly incivil comment to Ferrylodge, just 8 hours before proposing the ban

FeloniousMonk

  • FeloniousMonk (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
  • FeloniousMonk was a participant in the discussion [2] and should not have made the block.

The Community sanction noticeboard met with widespread community disapproval

Odd nature (talk · contribs) is a sock puppet of FeloniousMonk (talk · contribs)

As a quick word, please forgive me for the length - there's a lot of evidence here and I'm afraid I will have to exceed my allotted time. --B 02:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing patterns

  • Odd nature (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) (ON) registered on 16:34, 18 April 2007. His first edit was 14:05, 23 April 2007, or, just after the s-protection timeout ended, though he had edited for some time prior as an IP.
  • ON only edits during the standard business day, west coast time - never on weekends and or nights. With rare exception, his edits are between 12:00-20:00 east coast time, or, 9:00 - 5:00 west coast time.
  • The earliest ON edit is 11:23 eastern (8:23 western) [3] and the latest is 21:53 eastern (18:53 western) [4]
Vacation time
  • ON did not edit from Monday July 30 until Friday August 10 (inclusive). Presumably, he was on vacation. During that stretch, on several weekdays, FM edited during the day - July 30 (only as late as 12:15/9:15 so inconclusive), August 7 (12:13 - 14:43 eastern, 9:13 - 11:43 western), and August 8 (13:25 - 13:42 eastern, 10:25 - 10:42 western). These were his only weekday edits during the business day other than one notable instance (stay tuned).
  • They both got Labor Day off too ... but then, I think that's one of the few everyone gets.
Ferrylodge banning
  • The one and only deviation to the pattern I will lay out below is the day that Ferrylodge was blocked. On that day (Fri, Sep 21):
    • FM edits 10:31, 10:49, 10:49, 10:51, 10:55, 10:56, 11:18 (7:31, 7:49, 7:49, 7:51, 7:55, 7:56, 8:18 western)
    • ON edits regarding the ban 14:03 (11:03 western)
    • FM blocks FerryLodge at 14:23 (11:23 western)
    • FM notes the ban on FL's talk page and CSN 14:24, 14:26, 14:28 (11:24, 11:26, 11:28 western)
    • ON replies at 14:38 (11:38) in support of the ban, then edits for the rest of the afternoon defending the ban on CSN and FM's talk page.
    • In other words, he drove home or to an internet cafe for lunch, blocked FL, and back to work.
    • This instance is the one and only time FeloniousMonk has edited during the business day, other than the mutual vacation, since February.
Workday Evidence
  • Times are given eastern/western.
  • Prior to on or about February 1, FM was regularly on during the business day, though this is hardly conclusive. It's only interesting in that if you're going to stop editing and create a sock puppet, 2 months is probably a safe time for checkuser data to disappear, I would think/assume.
  • There is a strong correlation between work schedules. I am listing every day that meets a boundary condition (FM leaves late, ON gets in early, OM leaves late, FM gets home early). I am not cherry picking these in any way. Aside from the day of the block and the vacation mentioned above, this is a complete list of days where there is possible overlap.
    • FM's latest workday edits in the morning (after 11:00/8:00):
      • On Thu Sep 20, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:36/8:36. ON's first was 13:13/10:13.
      • On Tue Sep 11, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:32/8:32. ON's first was 13:19/10:19
      • On Tue Sep 7, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:32/8:32. ON's first was 14:29/11:29
      • On Thu Aug 30, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:42/8:42. ON's first was 13:50/10:50
      • On Thu Aug 23, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:31/8:31. ON's first was 13:14/10:14
      • On Wed Jul 18, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:01/8:01. ON's first was 15:12/12:12
      • On Mon Jul 16, FM's last edit in the morning was 12:32/9:32. ON's first was 13:54/10:54.
      • On Thu Jul 12, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:25/8:25. ON's first was 16:49/13:49
      • On Fri Jul 6, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:26/8:26. ON's first was 15:02/12:02
      • On Mon Jul 2, FM's last edit in the morning was 11:30/8:30. ON's first was 14:21/11:21
      • On Mon May 28, FM's last edit was 12:16/9:16. ON did not edit that day.
      • On Thu Aug 30, FM's last edit in the morning was 12:12/9:12. ON's first was 13:50.
    • ON's earliest workday edits in the morning (before 12:30/9:30) are below. Note that if ON edited early in the morning, FM did not edit, or, at least, edited much earlier:
      • On Apr 27, ON edited at 12:12/9:12. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On May 25, ON edited at 11:54/8:54. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 6, ON edited at 11:41/8:41. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 18, ON edited at 11:52/8:52. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 12, ON edited at 11:33/8:33. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 13, ON edited at 11:23/8:23. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 14, ON edited at 12:30/9:30. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 27, ON edited at 12:30/9:30. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jun 29, ON edited at 12:26/9:26. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Jul 9, ON edited at 12:40/9:40. FM's last edit was at 10:35/7:35.
      • On Jul 23, ON edited at 12:28/9:28. FM's last edit was at 10:45/7:45.
      • On Jul 24, ON edited at 12:06/9:06. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Aug 16, ON edited at 12:20/9:20. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Aug 17, ON edited at 12:15/9:15. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Aug 29, ON edited at 12:29/9:29. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Sep 17, ON edited at 12:22/9:22. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Sep 18, ON edited at 12:20/9:20. FM did not edit that morning.
      • On Sep 19, ON edited at 12:31/9:31. FM did not edit that morning.
    • ON's latest workday edits in the evening ... there isn't anything you can conclude here as there isn't enough of a body of evidence to go on:
      • On Sep 25, ON's last edit was 21:03/18:03, FM did not edit until after 1:00 am/10:00 pm
      • On Aug 20, ON's last edit was at 21:02/18:02, FM's first was 12:14 am/21:14
      • On Aug 16, ON's last edit was at 21:53/18:53, FM's first was at 12:05 am/21:05
      • On Jun 5, ON's last edit 21:11, FM did not edit
      • On April 23, ON's last edit was 21:18, FM did not edit
    • FM's earliest workday edits in the evening
      • FM's earliest edit on a weekday afternoon was 20:12/17:12 on July 24. OM's last edit that afternoon was 15:00/12:00.
      • On Aug 31, FM's earliest edit is 21:46/18:46. OM's latest was 14:44/11:44.
      • On July 11, FM's earliest edit is 21:52/18:52. OM's latest is 19:33/16:33
      • On May 29, FM's earliest edit is 21:52/18:52. OM's latest is 18:12/15:12
      • On Apr 27, FM's earliest edit is 21:38/18:38. OM's latest is 20:12/17:12
  • I have carefully scanned their edits and at no point does FM edit after ON gets to work or does ON edit after FM gets home.
  • I don't think the afternoon is meaningful as far as proving anything (it doesn't disprove anything, but it doesn't prove anything). But in the morning, on about 20% or so of the total workdays since ON's account was created, FM has edited late or ON has edited early but on not one of those was there overlap.

Conversation

  • ON has posted seven times to FM's talk page six times - four either fixing editing issues or talking to someone else - [5], [6], [7], [8].
    • [9] and [10] were actually addressed to FM, both of which are amusing taken in the context of them being sock puppets. Neither got a reply from FM.

Mutual editing

  • FM did not edit from Tues morning April 17 2:23 / Mon night Apr 16 11:23 until Fri night Apr 27
  • ON created his account on April 18 and his very first edit 14:05, 23 April 2007 was to Talk:Intelligent design, which was one of FM's last pages edited.
  • His third edit was to create The Slowskys (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Months later in September, ON and FM would jointly edit war with Profg (talk · contribs) over having a {{notability}} tag in this article. Strangely, nobody but the three of them (two of them, whatever) seemed to care.
  • With his next edit, he then reverted some POV at A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism back to FM's version.
  • He edited two more articles - both them ones FM had edited. In one of them - William A. Dembski?, he said he was replacing removed articles.
  • Anyway, this continues - I bore you with it all, but you can see his entire contribution history, scroll down to the bottom of it, and his early edits are all picking up where FM left off.
The return of FM
  • Beyond the above, there are obviously plenty of times where the two edited mutually, but the above are the early (and meaningful) examples., though I would be remiss in not pointing out [16]
FNMF
  • 19:59, 10 September 2007 - Will Beback asks FeloniousMonk to look into the potential that blocked sock user FNMF has returned [17]
  • 00:20, 11 September 2007 - FeloniousMonk promises to take a look and offer his opinion tomorrow - [18]
  • 17:14, 11 September 2007 - Odd nature tags FNMF and BCST2001 as sock and puppeteer, respectively [19], [20]
  • 19:56, 11 September 2007 - This strikes Jmh123 and Will Beback as odd - they wonder whose sockpuppet Odd nature is [21], [22]
  • FeloniousMonk never does offer his opinion on the matter [23]

FM aka ON violated WP:SOCK in !votes

FM aka ON abused administrative privileges by blocking Ferrylodge

  • Per the diffs above, ON offered support as if another user both before and after the block.

FM used sockpuppetry to violate 3RR on Creation-evolution controversy

Evidence presented by User:Ferrylodge

Ferrylodge was not allowed to answer accusations at Community Sanction Noticeboard (CSN)

I (Ferrylodge) was only allowed to comment at the Community Sanction Noticeboard (CSN) during a window of several hours in the middle of the CSN discussions, and therefore I had no opportunity to answer numerous CSN allegations that resulted in my banishment from Wikipedia. This is shown by the following timeline:

17 September 2007 – Ferrylodge was in Washington Post article, [32] later cited to help justify banishment from Wikipedia.[33][34]

15:11, 20 September 2007 - Ferrylodge violated 3RR at Stillbirth article.[35]

16:45, 20 September 2007 - Mastcell blocked Ferrylodge for 3RR at Stillbirth article.[36]

17:03, 20 September 2007 - Ferrylodge asked KillerChihuahua to stop posting at Ferrylodge's talk page.[37]

22:49, 20 September 2007 – Mastcell recommended dispute resolution be pursued after 3RR block.[38]

23:32, 20 September 2007 - KillerChihuahua began CSN discussion to ban Ferrylodge.[39]

00:45, 21 September 2007 - Ferrylodge requested unblock to participate at CSN.[40]

03:05, 21 September 2007 - Mastcell made good faith attempt to unblock Ferrylodge to participate at CSN.[41]

03:52, 21 September 2007 - Ferrylodge stated that he was still unable to edit CSN.[42]

05:57, 21 September 2007 - Ferrylodge made his first statement on CSN,[43] while stating "I will be travelling on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (September 21-23) and therefore will not have internet access."

16:19, 21 September 2007 - Ferrylodge made his last statement at CSN.[44]

18:23, 21 September 2007 - FeloniousMonk banned Ferrylodge.[45]

20:48, 21 September 2007 - Mastcell apologized for lingering autoblock of Ferrylodge.[46]

22:03, 21 September 2007 - Vote on banning Ferrylodge began at CSN after he was already banned.[47]

16:02, 22 September 2007 – Voting and commenting at CSN on Ferrylodge came to an end.[48]

03:28, 6 October 2007 – CSN nominated for deletion.[49]

20:30, 8 October 2007 – Ferrylodge unblocked for purposes of appealing to ARBCOM. [50]

23:04, 9 October 2007 – Ferrylodge posts for the first time at Requests for Arbitration.[51]

03:18, 11 October 2007 – CSN abolished.[52]

Ferrylodge has apologized

I have apologized for the two 3RR violations that have earned me blocks here at Wikipedia.[53] I have suggested a 1RR limitation for awhile, due to my two 3RR blocks.[54] I have also apologized, for example, about an edit summary in January 2007 regarding “killing the chihuahua.”[55]

Banning Ferrylodge is opposed by various administrators

Administrator B has stated, “I am an admin and yes, I am willing to overturn the block - I firmly believe the ban is incorrect both on the facts of the case and on the process that was followed.”[56]

Administrator Y has stated, “Ferrylodge did do a lot of very useful mainspace editing, and that by banning a user like him we are harming the project.”[57]

FeloniousMonk shouldn't have banned Ferrylodge and explanation from him has been requested

FeloniousMonk banned me for "harassment,"[58] even though FeloniousMonk was involved in the brief discussions at the CSN,[59] and even though FeloniousMonk had previously made related false accusations against me.[60]

I stated in my arbitration request that I would like to address specific accusations of alleged harassment that are identified by FeloniousMonk as most serious, “before addressing less serious accusations.”[61] FeloniousMonk has thus far not identified such specific instances of alleged harassment.Ferrylodge 03:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Responses to evidence presented by others

Ferrylodge had reasons for asking KillerChihuahua to stop posting at Ferrylodge’s talk page

At 17:03 on 20 September 2007, I asked KillerChihuahua to stop posting at my talk page.[62] Later that day, KC filed her initial ban proposal on the Community Sanction Noticeboard (CSN), while complaining about my having asked that she stop commenting at my talk page.[63] Here at this arbitration, KC continues to criticize me for my "request to not post on his talk page."[64]

Wikipedia policy gives great latitude to an editor to remove comments from his or her talk page.[65] I also had an additional reason for taking this step: KC’s incivility. She has asserted that my words are "bullshit" and "pathetic",[66] that my words are "inane,"[67] that my behavior served no purpose "unless your purpose is to convince others that you are congenitally dense,"[68] that I am "naive and disingenuous,"[69] that I am a "spammer,"[70] et cetera. A person who unapologetically uses such language anywhere at Wikipedia has no right to post at the target's talk page.Ferrylodge 16:36, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another example of frivolous accusations against Ferrylodge: psychoanalysis

Both KillerChihuahua and Severa now present evidence to ban me indefinitely from Wikipedia because I objected to being psychoanalyzed. Pleasantville is the editor who has a habit of psychoanalyzing. During these ARBCOM proceedings, she has called me a “sociopath”,[71] and urged another completely calm editor to “turn the emotional thermostat down.”[72] Severa and KillerChihuahua are presenting evidence of an exchange last month where Pleasantville asserted that I was “extremely anxious,”[73] and I merely objected.[74] ARBCOM can take a look at that exchange with Pleasantville, to see how inaccurate some of my accusers (and the evidence they are presenting) are.Ferrylodge 01:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bobblehead's accusations of "forum shopping" are wrong

At the main Evidence Page, Bobblehead presents evidence that he incorrectly says supports the notion that I have “forum shopped” regarding Fred Thompson. Bobblehead says that I tried to change the pertinent Manual of Style (MOS) while I was falsely claiming that I was doing so in regards to “John Edwards” instead of “Fred Thompson.” Bobblehead is wrong.

If you look at the diff that Bobblehead presents as evidence,[75] you can see in the very first two comments that I was discussing Fred Thompson at the MOS, so plainly I was not concealing my concern about Thompson at the MOS. The reason I was discussing John Edwards at the MOS is because the MOS itself uses John Edwards (and not Fred Thompson) as an example.[76] The example of John Edwards had been repeatedly cited at the Fred Thompson talk page, and I specifically said at the Fred Thompson talk page that I was planning to go over to MOSBIO to discuss John Edwards.[77] Once I did go over to MOSBIO, I specifically announced at the Fred Thompson talk page that I had done so.[78] There is no way that I could have been more open and forthright.

Bobblehead also contends here at the main Evidence Page that I denied at MOSBIO that I “was there about the Fred Thompson edit war,” but actually I never denied that. On the contrary, I specifically said that I was at the MOSBIO as a result of a suggestion made at the Fred Thompson talk page.[79] I also said at MOSBIO that I wanted to focus on John Edwards rather than Fred Thompson (because Edwards rather than Thompson is mentioned in the mosbio).[80]Ferrylodge 13:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence presented by Odd Nature does not show misconduct by Ferrylodge

Odd Nature was rude and uncivil to me on October 8, when he wrote at my talk page: "Please don't waste the community's time. Oh noes [sic], not a Draft Request for Arbitration!! Another abject waste of the community's time and patience."[81] Apparently, ARBCOM's acceptance of my appeal indicates that Odd Nature was not only rude and uncivil, but also wrong about whether the request was a waste of time.

At the main Evidence Page, Odd Nature's evidence includes referring to other people who say that I have done wrong, and also includes Odd Nature's own specific allegations that I have done wrong --- I will refer now to the latter. The only specific allegations by Odd Nature, at the main Evidence page, that I have done anything wrong is apparently a long series of diffs following the statement that "FerryLodge used his replies at WP:CSN to repeat and continue his harassment of others." That long series of diffs presented by Odd Nature includes the following:[82][83][84][85][86][87]. I urge people to click on any of those diffs, to see that there is not the slightest trace there of any wrongdoing by me. In other words, Odd Nature's only specific allegations of wrongdoing amount to nothing.Ferrylodge 13:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

“I can't wait to watch you being fucked”

Sometimes, bad editors drive good editors away from the Wikipedia project, such as Orangemarlin who recently said to the administrator B, “I can't wait to watch you being fucked.”[88] B contributed to this arbitration, but has now left the project.[89] I am proud to say that Orangemarlin voted to ban me from Wikipedia,[90] after harassing me with comments like “your immature rantings (yes, they are immature) do you a big disservice.”[91]

Of course, the fact that I have not fled Wikipedia due to harassment from the likes of Orangemarlin does not prove that he is a good guy. Likewise, just because Severa left Wikipedia for a period of time does not prove that I am a bad guy. Nevertheless, Odd Nature, Killer Chihuahua, and Severa all assert at this evidence page that I should be banned from Wikipedia because Severa chose to leave Wikipedia for a period of time. Severa’s break, in and of itself, does not prove anything. Sometimes editors become frustrated when they are not able to own an article, sometimes they have a thin skin, and as KillerChihuahua has noted, sometimes editors use “claims of having been wronged to attempt to gain leverage over others." [92]Ferrylodge 14:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KillerChihuahua and Severa allege wrongdoing by me at the articles concerning RCOG, Fetal Pain, Pregnancy, Stillbirth, Mother, and Abortion. Even if their allegations were correct, most of my Wikipedia edits in this reproduction-related area have been on other articles rather than those six:[93]

511 Roe v. Wade 297 Fetus 143 Abortion in the United States 123 Intact dilation and extraction 117 Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act 110 Gonzales v. Carhart

For example, I brought the Roe v. Wade article through a Featured Article Review,[94] at the end of which I was praised for “brilliant work.”[95] Today, Severa added an allegation to this Evidence page of wrongdoing by me on Roe v. Wade. She cites two “problematic changes made to the Roe article,” which she disagreed with.[96] Those two matters were successfully addressed during the featured article review, and I strongly object to the conversion of a minor content dispute into grounds for banishing me permanently from Wikipedia.Ferrylodge 17:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will present further evidence, including evidence responding to that presented by others.Ferrylodge 15:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence presented by Odd nature

FerryLodge was not denied the ability to respond to his community ban

There was overwhelming support for a ban

  • At the time FeloniousMonk instituted the ban, the community was 14:4 in favor of a ban: [117]
  • A summary of opinions after ~35 hours of discussion showed support for a community ban ran at 15:1: [118]
  • At 48 hours when the discussion was closed total support for a community ban of FerryLodge was 22 in favor and 7 opposed: [119]

Proposed alternatives to the ban missed the problem

  • The proposed alternatives to the indefinite ban, indefinite probation with 0RR or an indefinite topic ban on political, pregnancy and abortion related articles do not address FerryLodge's pattern of harassment of KillerChihuahua that prompted her to seek a ban: [120] User:Tvos presented additional evidence of harassment by FerryLodge: [121], as did Severa who said it was to the extent that she left Wikipedia and Andrew_c stated he had avoided editing articles on which Ferrylodge was active for the same reason. That's 4 editors claiming harassment by FerryLodge. FerryLodge's long standing pattern of harassment documented at in a RFC at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Bishonen_2#Response and the response to it was endorsed by many respected editors. Topic bans are a remedy for biased editing and chronic 3RR violations, not harassment.

FeloniousMonk did not violate policy or convention by instituting the ban

FerryLodge supporter User:Ali'i was incivil, harassed FM, others

Evidence presented by User:KillerChihuahua

Ferrylodge habitually edit wars against consensus and then escalates to personal attacks when things don't go his way.

Ferrylodge engages in multiple campaigns on multiple fronts at the same time, spreading disputes across multiple articles and talk pages. He shows a pattern of chronically harassing others via character assassination and personal attacks which rely heavily upon misrepresenting his "opponents" views and statements. He sometimes repeats the precise same vicious accusations - I am speaking here of repeatedly making the same accusation against the same editor with the same diff as "evidence", not merely repeating himself. He reposts the same attack. He also continues to attack other editors well after the initial dispute.

This is no effort to discuss and resolve disputes; this is a campaign to malign and disparage those he disagrees with in an attempt to damage their reputation; hurt, harass and intimidate them into withdrawing from what he has made into a highly personal and damaging conflict. According to their own statements, this has worked with Severa,[131] who left the project, only coming back when Ferrylodge was banned; and Andrew c,[132] who avoided articles on which Ferrylodge was active. I also found myself avoiding those articles, solely because of Ferrylodge's hostility.

I have attempted to keep my evidence brief. I have therefore necessarily omitted many details as well as entire "campaigns". I trust the following will give an indication of the issues.

The RCOG incident

Ferrylodge edits against consensus

On Fetal pain article, where a number of editors disagreed with the edit on the talk page and in edit summaries:

  • 04:13, 24 May 2007 - this was adding a cite to the disputed content, as added two edits before by Stadler981 at 22:24, 23 May 2007 Dispute proceeded on talk, with Ferrylodge stating the cite supported labeling RCOG "pro-choice" and other editors disagreeing to varying degrees.
  • 22:39, 24 May 2007

On RCOG article:

Ferrylodge protested that there was no consensus that RCOG was not a "pro-choice" organization because there was no discussion on Talk:RCOG - which is accurate but misleading, as all the discussion had taken place on Talk:Fetal pain.

Ferrylodge pursues matter to my talk page, culminating in block for harassment
Ferrylodge tendentiously argues his case across multiple venues

The womb war

The edit war (15 through 20 September 2007)
  • On Pregnancy: 15:42, 15 September 2007 Ferrylodge replaces "woman" with "mother", "uterus" with "womb" and "fetus" with "baby" [135]
  • 15:47, 15 September 2007 partial revert by Ginko100 ("womb" to "uterus") [136]
  • 21:12, 15 September 2007 further reverts by Jim62sch ("baby" to "fetus") [137], [138], [139],
  • 12:12, 17 September 2007 Extensive reverts by 68.163.233.17, citing talk page ("mother" to "woman", "womb" to "uterus" and "baby" to "fetus")[140]
  • 03:31, 18 September 2007 Partial revert of "mother" by Ferrylodge [141]
  • 18:24, 19 September 2007 Reverted by Tvoz [142]
  • On Mother: 14:34, 19 September 2007[143]
    • Talk:Stillbirth#Womb and Uterus begun 14:13, 20 September 2007 by Ferrylodge. He received no support and was criticized for forum shopping by several editors (myself included.)
  • On Stillbirth, 20 September 2007: [144], [145], [146], [147].
Ferrylodge personalizes dispute, escalates to violating WP:NPA
  • when I referred to "womb" as "vulgar" in an edit summary, and to clarify I posted the definition link to the meaning of vulgar I was using (commonly used language), he removed it with the edit summary " Please do not post at my talk page, KC." - then proceeded to post on his talk page that "she said that I was trying to insert a "vulgar" word into the article. It astounds me that an admin can get away with such incivility, and I find it very difficult to respond in a constructive way to her personal attacks" - which is typical of his tactics, for I must either ignore his misrepresentation of my statement, or ignore his request to not post on his talk page - which surely he learned in his block for harassment would be harassment, as that is precisely what he was last blocked for. In short, he's using the "lessons learned" not to be a better Wikipedian, but to game the system so that he is "innocent" and I am "doing wrong." This is so blatantly misleading it constitutes lying in order to smear me. I am not the only editor he uses these tactics against.
  • On Talk:Motherhood, in a discussion begun by User:Pleasantville concerning biological motherhood:
  • Ferrylodge accuses Tvoz of wikistalking [148] Tvoz had responded to Pleasantville supporting Pleasantville's idea. She had not addressed any remarks to Ferrylodge. She protested.[149]
  • 10:48, 19 September 2007 Pleasantville requested that Ferrylodge "maintain a civil tone"[150]
  • 14:07, 19 September 2007 and again, after further edits from Ferrylodge, Pleasantville requests civility from Ferrylodge[151]
  • 14:31, 19 September 2007 Ferrylodge escalates his attacks, calling Pleasantville "condescending", accusing her of "psychoanalyzing, and pretending that my tone is not civil" [152]
  • 14:54, 19 September 2007 Pleasantville requests that Ferrylodge "relax and talk" [153]
  • 16:19, 21 September 2007 On the CSN noticeboard, Ferrylodge stated that this was his only interaction with Pleasantville, and that "What I do know about Pleasantville is that she is a very unkind editor." citing this interaction as evidence! [154]
  • 16:47, 20 September 2007 Ferrylodge was blocked for 3RR on Stillbirth
  • 17:03, 20 September 2007 Ferrylodge makes unblock request, which consisted primarily of a series of attacks against me, which included the "vulgar" accusation.[155]
  • 22:55, 20 September 2007 ElinorD corrected two of his attacks, stating "And Ferrylodge, KillerChihuahua has already pointed out that "vulgar" has more than one meaning. Nor did she imply that you were "congenitally dense". She said that your behaviour served no purpose, "unless your purpose [was] to convice others you are congenitally dense." That's quite different" [156]
  • 23:10, 20 September 2007 Ferrylodge continued his attacks on me[157]

Fetus image on Abortion

This has been discussed at least 6 times, and the consensus is that images of fetuses are not appropriate. This is now in the FAQ for the article (with links to disucssions). This question was raised again by a drive-by editor on 16 August 2007 in Talk:Abortion#Images_of_Abortion. Again, strong majority favored no images. Ferrylodge supported inclusion of images. During this dispute, Ferrylodge engaged in personal attacks and repeatedly edit warred against well-established and current consensus.

Ferrylodge edits against WP:CON
  • 04:08, 19 September 2007 Talk:Abortion: Ferrylodge states his intention to add a POV tag because his image is not supported [158]
  • 04:23, 19 September 2007 Abortion: Ferrylodge adds image of fetus to Fetal pain section of article [159]
  • 06:32, 19 September 2007 Talk:Abortion: Tvoz objects to image [160]
  • 15:58, 19 September 2007 Abortion: Image removed by Lion's Heart with edit summary "Take out POV image. POV problem solved. This was proposed on the talk page, but they just went ahead and added it anyway, w/o consensus. Allow discussion. Don't force your hand." [161]
  • 17:26, 19 September 2007 Talk:Abortion:I commented that the image was not only against consensus, but added in a completely inappropriate section (Fetal pain) [162]
  • 21:21, 19 September 2007 Talk:Abortion:Andrew c with edit summary "can't we lighten up a bit?" attempts to lighten the situation with a little gallows humor [163]
Ferrylodge escalates to violating WP:NPA
  • 15:01, 20 September 2007 Talk:Abortion: At this point, Ferrylodge attacked both Andrew c and myself, accusing us of ridiculing the notion of fetal pain. His only possible "evidence" for this is my agreement with the removal of the image, and Andrew's attempt to lighten the mood. "I think it should be clear that admins here such as Andrew c and Killerchuhuahua ridicule the notion of fetal pain, and are determined to make sure that their pro-choice POV is fully reflected in this article" [164] This is a personal attack due to our not supporting this inappropriate image against long established consensus. Ferrylodge is attempting to intimidate us into not opposing his unsupported and inappropriate addition. He underlined his position by adding a POV tag to the article.[165]
  • 15:11, 20 September 2007 I responded.[166] This is the "bullshit" edit summary. I stand by that assessment. To accuse Andrew c of POV, and to further smear him with the allegation that he has "ridiculed" fetal pain, due to one light comment on the talk page, is to misrepresent Andrew's post in the worst possible light - indeed, in such a light that I cannot in good faith believe that Ferrylodge could have so badly misinterpreted Andrew's action, and find this to be a deliberate attempt at character assassination and intimidation. It is bullshit of the worst order: deliberate and malicious personal attack on another editor. I have no explanation as to why I was included in this attack, as I had merely agreed with the removal of the image which had nothing to do with fetal pain and had no support for addition.
  • 16:47, 20 September 2007 Ferrylodge was blocked for 3RR on Stillbirth (see The womb war, above) ending this edit war as well as that one.

Evidence presented by Ali'i

This arbitration is about Ferrylodge's ban

Aloha. This request for arbitration is supposed to be about Ferrylodge's ban. If Odd nature feels like I erred in some way (as noted above), I would request he not muck up this page. If he feels that strongly about it, I would request he start the dispute resolution process with me. I would request though he stops calling me a "FerryLodge supporter". I am a supporter of Wikipedia, and no one editor.

Also, I would also remind Ferrylodge to stick to the topic as well. This isn't an arbitration against KillerChihuahua, et al., nor is it (or shouldn't be) against Ferrylodge. It should be a look into whether or not the ban was valid and in-policy.

Bans are supposed to be a last resort

Ferrylodge can be a constructive editor

Ferrylodge has been contributing since April 29, 2004. He has over 8,500 edits, including over 5,500 mainspace contributions. To list every diff where he has been constructive would require me to include thousands of diffs (well over the prescribed 100 limit for this page). And why push someone off the project entirely when it is only really the abortion/"womb"/mother/reproductive rights/etc. articles on which he has been allegedly "disruptive". A look through his mainspace edits shows productive editing (especially on topics not related to abortion). [176]

More concrete examples (where he has been invaluable dealing with U.S. politics)...

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Evidence presented by User:Severa

Ferrylodge has long met definition of "disruptive editor"

  • Ferrylodge has been engaged in ideologically-motivated editing of same range of abortion, pregnancy, and politics-related articles since December 2006, meeting "is tendentious" criterion of definition of a disruptive editor.
  • Ferrylodge continues to press issues despite opposing consensuses, meeting "Rejects community input" criterion of WP:DE, and spreads editing campaigns across several articles at once with goal of "exhausting the patience of productive rules-abiding editors on certain articles" as outlined in fourth criterion.
  • The Roe v. Wade Featured Article Review, which Ferrylodge has pointed to as an example of positive involvement on Wikipedia,[212] was initiated by me to try to constructively address problematic changes made to the Roe article by Ferrylodge himself in January (the two examples of problematic edits I highlighted at the FAR were both introduced into the article by him [213][214]). I tried bringing this to the attention of the FAR reviewer when Ferrylodge became involved in the FAR.[215]

Ferrylodge has history of incivility toward other editors

  • Ferrylodge has conducted himself in a manner consistent with the "Campaign to drive away productive contributors" criterion of WP:DE. He generally does not let matters rest, even when consensus is against him, and this has "exhaust[ed] the general community's patience" and pushed some editors to their limit (including myself, who avoided Wikipedia entirely for 2 months,[216] and Andrew c, who was driven away from Ferrylodge-frequented articles for a time in March[217]).
  • Ferrylodge has a habit of personalizing disputes, focusing, sometimes single-mindedly, on the contributor, not the content:
    • Example 1: Opened RfC against Bishonen on June 5, despite being advised against such by ALoan on May 29, who also recommended first testing the waters on A/NI.[218][219] Ferrylodge went to A/NI on May 30, where most agreed Bishonen's block was justified,[220] but Ferrylodge still proceeded with the RfC.
    • Example 2: Inserted himself into a minor dispute which arose between myself and an anonymous editor on Vaccine controversy, although the dispute did not involve him, and he'd never edited the article in question.[221]
  • KillerChihuahua said in her RfArb statement that Ferrylodge has a history of deliberately misrepresenting others and I can provide one possible example of this. At Talk:Pregnancy, he made it out as though an image had been objected to earlier at Talk:Fetus only because of the subject's marital status/gender,[222] when I'd said I found the wedding band distracting (among other issues with the image),[223] and SheffieldSteel that the "hand of a white, male, married adult" did not help him determine the fetal model's size.[224] Ferrylodge persisted with this representation[225] of our statements even after I'd attempted to set the record straight.[226]
  • Ferrylodge has a history of incivil remarks, namely, calling Swatjester "vapid",[227] stating to me "My regard for you is I'm sure as [low as] yours for me, probably a lot lower" and then "What a fine bunch you people are" to the room at large in one post,[228] telling Pleasantville to "stop condescending and psychoanalyzing"[229] after she said "Please try to adopt a more civil tone. You seem to be extremely anxious about this",[230] stating to me "Your bullying is not going to intimidate me from using common sense and neutral information at Wikipedia",[231] and, when asked what he learned from the RfC, "That you can pretty much get away with murder at Wikipedia, as long as you have a big pack of people to back you up."[232]

A ban would be a last resort

  • Ferrylodge has had 3 blocks for 3RR since December 2006.[233] This has been going on for 10 months now — plenty time to learn how to edit constructively and cooperatively.
  • Musical Linguist tried reaching out to Ferrylodge after the Bishonen RfC [234] but he declined the offer.[235] Ferrylodge is careful to note he is sorry for his "most recent 3RR block"[236] and "two 3RR violations"[237], meaning he's sorry for the InShaneee block in Dec. 2006 and the FeloniousMonk block in Sept. 2007, but not the Bishonen block from June 2007 — the one precipitated by repeated posting on KC's talk page after being asked to stop. I don't think ArbCom's decision should hinge upon Ferrylodge's contrition, but, the fact that he has yet to acknowledge the error of his conduct in this and many other instances — let alone apologize for it — is worth noting.
  • A topic ban, 0RR, or 1RR would only address half the issue. It might stop the edit-warring on certain articles but it would not guarantee that Ferrylodge would be civil to other editors in the future.
  • Concerns over Ferrylodge's conduct predate the CSN request by months and so it — or the Community Sanction Noticeboard itself — should not be the sole focus of this ArbCom case.

Evidence presented by Bishonen

The RfC/Bishonen is a useful illustration of Ferrylodge's argumentation technique

This RFAr doesn't offer any attempts at previous dispute resolution between Ferrylodge and his critics/opponents, and no request for comment on Ferrylodge has been undertaken. I suggest that the arbcom can somewhat make up for this shortfall by reading the request for comment on myself which Ferrylodge brought in June 2007, and which illustrates his manner of argumentation when in conflict. Note especially the discussions on the talkpage. Bishonen | talk 22:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Evidence presented by Bobblehead

Ferrylodge has forum shopped

This is partially mentioned in Severa's evidence for Ferrylodge meeting the definition of a "disruptive editor",[238] but I figured I would show evidence that his disruptive editing is not confined to pregnancy and stillbirth sections. During the great name dispute for Fred Thompson, in addition to the 7 reverts Severa mentions above, Ferrylodge also expanded his content dispute beyond the boundaries of the Fred Thompson to other articles and WP:MOSBIO following the edit protection of the page to the m:wrong versionTM. After Fred Thompson was edit protected, FerryLodge went to the protecting admin's talk page and asked how he can make sure that the wrong version is not saved.[239] After Mercury/Navou pointed out "wrong version",[240] Ferrylodge created an edit protected article request on the talk page.[241] When that was rejected by User:CBM,[242] Ferrylodge made an appearance on CBM's talkpage to request a reconsideration (which is fine).[243]. An hour later, Ferrylodge appeared on the talk page for Bill Clinton questioning how his name was presented there,[244] which he reverted 5 minutes later.[245] He then proceeded to WP:MOSBIO, trying to change the MOS, but claimed he was doing so in regards to "John Edwards"[246] and followed that with his first post ever on the talk page for John Edwards. [247] When Italiavivi called him on this[248], Ferrylodge denied he was there about the Fred Thompson edit war.[249]

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