April 6

On the "Manama" page, the positions in the first caption aren't in clockwise from top order. JackkBrown (talk) 00:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given that you were the last person to edit the caption, [1] what is stopping you from fixing it? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AndyTheGrump: I just corrected the caption. JackkBrown (talk) 00:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In the "External links" section at the bottom of the article, this site - Emmanuel Alumni Website - is a "dead" link. Please remove it - thanks 144.130.154.129 (talk) 07:27, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. It had been tagged as a permanent dead link for about four years. Cullen328 (talk) 07:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have two Wikimedia account usernames ("Dr. Chinchu C." and "Chinchu c") both linked to the same Email Id. One was created to login to the English version of Wikipedia and the other for the Malayalam one during the early days, I believe. Recently I was logged out of both and was unable to login to either one. I requested for temporary password and received two of them. However I am not able to login using either of these passwords.

How can I merge the two (if possible) and recover my account? 116.68.99.218 (talk) 09:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe it is possible to merge accounts. If you have used the password reset system, the one it sends you should work. If you are unable to log in to your accounts, you will need to create a new account and identify it as a successor account on its user page("I am User5678, I was previously User1234 but lost access"). 331dot (talk) 09:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Temporary passwords should work. Try again. Make sure to use them for the right account. Be careful with capitalization in both username and password. Log in here at https://en.wikipedia.org. Some websites look like Wikimedia sites but aren't. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the replies.

I was able to login to the Wikimedia Commons account (at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) using one of the two temporary passwords that I received. However the Wikipedia account is still not accessible with the same Username and password combination.

Is it necessary to have separate accounts in Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia? 116.68.99.218 (talk) 16:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi All,

I was able to use the unified login feature and can now access the Wikipedia account using the Wikimedia Commons account credentials.

Thanks. Dr. Chinchu C. (talk) 16:44, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I am trying to help get up a Wikipedia page for J. McLaughlin. After several rounds of review, we kept getting rejected due to invalid resources. Before going through the process again, I wanted to confirm if these would be considered valid sources

https://www.myneworleans.com/shop-talk-kevin-mclaughlin/

https://fredericmagazine.com/2021/05/j-mclaughlin-house-tour-new-york/

https://www.bhg.com/decorating/decorating-style/traditional/stylish-new-york-rowhouse/

https://www.evergladesfoundation.org/post/everglades-capsule-collection-by-j-mclaughlin

https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-renovates-its-flagship-1203406811/

https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/gallery/j-mclaughlin-keeps-the-small-town-character-amid-national-growth-1202580127/

https://wwd.com/business-news/business-features/j-mclaughin-execs-talk-strategy-and-growth-11127541/

https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-in-praise-of-preppy-730384-1904723/

https://wwd.com/feature/j-mclaughlin-1202993044/

https://wwd.com/business-news/retail/j-mclaughlins-evolving-retail-program-1203121822/

https://wwd.com/eye/parties/gallery/j-mclaughlin-packs-crowd-to-support-save-the-children-1202646138/

https://issuu.com/questmag/docs/qt0917_issuu/125 (article on 40 years after NYC Upper east side shoot)

https://serendipitysocial.com/j-mclaughlins-new-greenwich-store/

Any insight or guidance is greatly appreciated. Thank you! 2600:4040:9CE3:CC00:90A3:64D0:9B3A:BF2E (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These sources don't look blue chip; see WP:RS. It's also worrying to refer to "my client", because this demonstrates a conflict of interest.

Try this tool instead: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:06, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a critical distinction between a generic reliable resource and a reliable source that supports notability. I would guess that some of the sources you list are reliable, but most are not because they are based only on PR from the subject. Much more critically, It does not look like any of these sources support a claim of notability. Please re-read WP:NCORP and pay careful attention to the table that gives examples. -Arch dude (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are a paid editor: see WP:PAID. That's OK as long as you make the required declaration. It is much easier for us unpaid help desk volunteers to help you if you create a login and use it so we can more easily interact with you and so you can make your paid declaration on your user page instead of eaqch time you make an edit or ask a question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch dude (talk • contribs) 17:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A while ago, using the Quote box template, I successfully put the following sentence and quote box of an important letter in Kirksey v. Kirksey § Background of the article Kirksey v. Kirksey:
After learning of his brother and nephew's deaths, the defendant wrote the following letter to his sister-in-law Antillico:

However, the block quote is now appearing in Kirksey v. Kirksey § decision, even though the wikitext shows the block quote in the Background section. The wikitext for Kirksey v. Kirksey § decision does not even contain the block quote. I cannot figure out how to fix this error. The wikitext seems to be in proper order, leaving me flummoxed. Joesom333 (talk) 16:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Joesom333, if you look at {{Quote box}}, you'll see it recommends using other formats in articles (such as {{Blockquote}}, which I've changed the article to use). The first template seems to more or less turn the quote into an image, so it ends up displaced by other image-adjacent elements in the article, like the infobox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! Joesom333 (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There has been a lengthy discussion at Talk:Free Democratic Party (Germany)#RfC: Infobox with an Rfc that has been removed by Legobot after it expired. However, there doesn't seem to be a general consensus or agreement on how to proceed with the issue this is over. Where do we go from here? Is there some sort of outside process or mediation that can help draw a consensus or conclusion to the issue? Or is there another way forward? Helper201 (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a meaningful difference between Casper the Friendly Ghost in film and Casper the Friendly Ghost filmography? I ask as a genuine question, not a rhetorical one. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rotideypoc41352: The filmography one is a list. It doesn't use prose, it just lists every example of Casper in film (even minor ones) and gives some context. "In film" is (or at least it should be) an encyclopedic breakdown of how Casper has been portrayed in film and how critics have analyzed it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Anyone else reading and @Thebiguglyalien: upon closer look, the filmography page is about the 1945 to 1959 theatrical shorts by Paramount. The in film page mentions them but focuses on the feature-length films from 1995 onward (to 2006, specifically). My new question is: does this split make sense? If so, I can try renaming the pages to more clearly reflect scope. If not, then I should just merge the pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:53, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's definitely not ideal. I considered mentioning a merge in my reply, but I'm even more inclined to say merge them if this is the case. Alternatively, the article/list dynamic could be kept by expanding both to include all of Casper's history. Either would work, though I don't know if one would be better than the other. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although my article will reference several different books and websites, I will be referencing one particular book a lot more than the others. Question: Do I have to fill in the RefTool "cite" box / template every time (with the book's author, title, year, publisher, ISBN #, etc) for each reference to that book, or can I get that info to fill in "by itself" so that all I have to is add the page number? (In my draft article, I've already created a correctly-formatted citation / reference to it.) Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 18:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SRF has some options how to achieve this. I like the {{sfn}} template. —Kusma (talk) 18:13, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Was Kisevalter Nash?. Take a look at WP:NAMEDREFS, which describes another option. Cullen328 (talk) 18:16, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Info boxes in articles about persons can display the current age of a person when the respective "birth date and age" syntax is entered. While in most cases the age is displayed correctly, in some articles there seems to be some sort of delay. I noticed this in Jamil Siebert, born April 2, 2002 but as of today still shown as 20 yers old. Is there any way to fix this or does one just have to wait until this is updated by the system? Proofreader (talk) 18:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, now it says 21 years, but I swear it was 20 years just a few moments ago. If anyone fixed it that quickly: Thank you. --Proofreader (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's displaying correctly for me now. It could be that it needed to be purged. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's an issue with the cache. It just requires someone to purge the cache by adding "?action=purge" at the end of the URL. I've done this, and it now displays as 21. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 18:36, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Translation helpers,

I am translating my En article on Lee Youn Chin to Chinese. Most of the translation has been correctly translated by Wiki language auto tool. I only had to correct and edit the names of people and institutional centers.

Wiki translation and Google translation tool has been very accurate in translating the content as is in the article. I tried submitting the draft to release it, but received the warning msg that more than 95% not edited or something like that. I have confirmed and verified the correct Chinese names and edited it. I was bound to write and add a few more lines in the paragraphs to bring the 95% down to an acceptable mark. I didn't know I had to add or re-write what was already translated as very good!

Please advise me that I have to add/edit or elaborate more info to the Chinese article to make it less machine translated? That would then be accepted by the Translation Editor to quality to publish?

Earlier in my English article, a lot were cut down to a short concise content by a helper editor. Now I find, I have to add back and elaborate longer to make the Chinese translation not identical to the English or human edited acceptable level?

I await your expertise and help.

Thank you! Setwikirec0 (talk) 18:52, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Setwikirec0, are you trying to publish on English Wikipedia or Chinese Wikipedia? Are you using the WP:Content translation tool (which is restricted to extended confirmed users, which you are not yet)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your reply. Setwikirec0 (talk) 23:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I read you correctly, you are translating an article from Engish to Chinese. If so, then all questions about your submission to Chinese Wikipedia must be asked there. It is unlikely that anybody here can help you: even if an editor here speaks Chinese, they would also need to be familiar with the policies and procedures of Chinese Wikipedia, which may be very different from English Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you ColinFine for pointing out the above. Setwikirec0 (talk) 23:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I now have two types of reference formats in my draft article (Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley). How do I delete the bottom two, or change them so they're like the top one? Also, in my final product will my references be listed alphabetically automatically, or will I have to do that manually? Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 21:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: Hi there! When I look at Draft:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley, I only see one reference. Before submitting the draft for review, please be sure to add multiple independent reliable published sources and footnotes. WP:NBIO and WP:EASYREFBEGIN should be helpful for you. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: I've had a quick look at both the current and previous version and saw that you've deleted the two inline citations. The principle you need to consider is that a reader must be able to verify statements you are making. Wiki's way of doing that is in-line references. These references can either be full in-line citations such as <ref>{{cite web |title=Tennent Harrington "Pete" Bagley |url=https://www.geni.com/people/Tennent-Harrington-Bagley-Dr-pol-sci/6000000009755374565 |website=Geni |access-date=6 April 2023}}</ref> or else you can separate the reference and citation elements. In-line citations are listed in the order in which they are encountered, which may change as an article is edited. To avoid this you can use named references (<ref name=geni />) and list the substantive citations in order below. There is still a problem though, if you are referencing multiple pages you can end up with the citation repeated just for the page reference, which is silly. I have seen instances where the same citation was repeated 20 times just for differing pages. This can be avoided in two ways: {{rp}} and {{sfn}}. In the former the citation is given once, then named references are used followed by a {{rp}} template to give the page number: <ref name=geni />{{rp|23}}. The latter method sets up the citations in a bulleted list and used the {{sfn}} template to link to them (using surname and date) and gives the page number; see Frindsbury for an example. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for replying. I have five book-reference sources listed now. I expect I'll have to manually (or by using a drop-down "cite template"?) place thingies like [1], [8], [15], etc, in the pertinent parts of the text that will link to Short Foot Notes near the bottom of the page, and that each Short Foot Note (with a particular page number for the cite) will, in turn, refer to one of the five (so far) longish-form "references".

Am I kinda on the right track? Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

. . . . . . .

Please take another quick look at it and tell me what I should do next if, for example, I want there to be a [1] or a [4] (or something like that) embedded in the text immediately after the phrase "aircraft carrier" in the "Early and Personal Life" section, and when that [1] or [4] (or whatever) is clicked on, the reader will see the citation "Bagley 2007, p. 30", and when they click on that it will take them to that book in the "Bibliography" section -- in this case: Tennent H. Bagley, 2007, "Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games", Yale University Press.

At some point I obviously type "Bagley 2007" or "Bagley 2007, p. 30". Do I do that now in the Citations section? Do I use a template?

Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 04:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing from the timing of your last post that you may be on the west coast of the USA or Canada, I'm in the UK and have just woken up after sleeping through your last posts. Shortly I'll have a look and see if I can shake it into order for you. You'll then be able to follow the example and continue. If you don't like the way I set it up, just revert my edits. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Right, two things: (1) an excellent bibliography, beautifully laid out for ease of editing. Well done. (2) I looked back over the history and found the link to Bagley (2007) pp 30-31 and have inserted a {{sfn}} link for you. I've added a {{refend}} to match the {{refbegin}}. I've move the {{reflist}} to under "References" and got rid of the "Citations" heading. I suggest that any further discussion on this specific draft article is moved to Draft talk:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley rather than continuing here, to save boring non-involved editors! ;-) Grr, I split some beer on my keyboard last night, and now have "sticky keys", apologies for any odd typing.Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Starting today my watch list is acting screwy. Normally it has dots next to edits I haven't looked at.....but that is there regardless if I have looked at the edit or not.....and also normally a option is there saying something like "Mark all changes as seen". But that isn't there anymore. Anyone know what is going on? Thanks.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ignore my post above. I think my question has been answered in another forum.Rja13ww33 (talk) 01:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 7

The correct name of publication is wrong I think for ref. number 13 - please repair if able - thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 02:35, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What's currently number 13 is described as "The Standard". Click on the link, and you arrive at a web page of "The Standard". What seems to be the problem? -- Hoary (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed GoingBatty (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to follow these instructions which I found on the Internet, but when I click on the "'Cite button" I'm not seeing the "'Automatic' tab" that's mentioned in step 4. Suggestions?

1. Go to the article you are editing in Wikipedia: 2. Click in the article where you want to add your citation. 3. Select the "Cite" button. 4. Click on the "Automatic" tab. 5. Paste the URL into the box. 6. Click "Generate" 7. Double check that everything looks correct. 8. Click "Insert" That's it. You've added a citation. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 05:22, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: You may need to have the new wikitext mode enabled at Preferences → Beta features → New wikitext mode if you haven't already. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: Those instructions could apply to both "New wikitext mode" and VisualEditor. You are probably using the normal source editor now. There you can click "Cite", "Templates", choose a template like "cite web", paste in the "URL" field and click the magnifying glass. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I switched over to it just now, and in my draft article I've placed a blinking cursor right where I want it in the text, but now there's no "Cite" button for me to click on as the instructions I posted above suggest doing. I'm trying to insert my main Reference source's (paginated) URL where I've placed the blinking cursor. Do I click on the "Inset" drop box, instead? This is the (paginated) URL I want to use for my first citation link. (I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology.) It's to a book that was published by Yale University Press, the "hard copy" of which I already have listed in my draft article's Bibliography. Thanks for your help. https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames/page/n41/mode/2up?view=theater Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: "Cite" is two icons to the left of "Insert" for me in New wikitext mode. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a button that reads " Cite", in between and . It's one of the wider ones. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wanted to see how i can get an article published on wikepedia about my company Provacation (talk) 06:57, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Provacation. If you intend to write about your company, then you are considered a paid editor and must immediately make the Paid contributions disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable. Then read about Conflict of interest editing, and Notability (organizations and companies) and Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ref numbers 9 and 12 are the same source (a history book) - can an editor please do that skill where you put etc 2 refs together - I cannot. Thanks 175.38.42.62 (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In either one of the two references (by convention, the first one, though this doesn't matter), replace <ref> with <ref name="quill">. (Notice that this doesn't contain a slash.) Replace all other references (in their entirety) with <ref name="quill" /> (Notice that this does contain a slash.) There you go. -- Hoary (talk) 07:19, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I tried - and thank you for your advice. - but I have failed. I will leave it as. it is...175.38.42.62 (talk) 08:45, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. (Or if you'd prefer the "mobile view", then done.) If anything is hard to understand, please ask. However, this change was for little more than appearance's sake. By contrast: (1) How does it help readers if the title is linked to a record of the book -- and not a PDF or other representation of the book itself -- in a library to which most won't have access? (Suggestion: Remove the link. If people want to see where it is in this or that national library, they can do so via the link for the ISBN.) (2) It's a book, one that WorldCat describes as going on for 104 pages. Why expect readers to search among these for the specific information? (Suggestion: Supplement the reference with use of Template:Rp.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:31, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have retitled this message thread. Four message threads shared the same title, and the fourth merely duplicated this, the third. In future, please don't recycle the same title within any page: it easily leads to confusion. In an attempt to reduce the risk of confusion, I've added a number to the title of all but the first. -- Hoary (talk) 09:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has added two misquotes of academic authors to Highland clearances. This sits alongside misrepresentation of other sources. There is dialogue on this at Talk:Highland Clearances#Edits not supported by cited sources.

I suspect that the two historians who are misquoted would object to having these words put into their mouths. There seems to be no guidance in Wikipedia (that I can find) on how urgently the misquotes and/or misrepresentations should be removed. I note that WP:BLP guidance of rapid correction to content to which a living person might object, and there seems to be some comparison to this situation.

What is an appropriate timescale for removing the misquotes? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 07:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the discussion, and see no reason why they shouldn't be removed immediately. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ThoughtIdRetired The policy here is at WP:BURDEN, which suggests that disputed material should be removed immediately and that editors who wish to restore it need to justify doing so: the cited source must clearly support the material as presented in the article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, the other editor has deleted the problem paragraph that they had added. Hopefully I have given some useful pointers on (a) how Wikipedia works and (b) use of appropriate sources for the subject of the article - of which the other editor seems aware but apparently has not read. As ever, hard to know if such advice is helpful... ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted copying using various music programs including VLC but I have not been able to do the transfer as the only visible iphone folder in VLC is DCIM. I would like to tansfer the files either by connecting the devices with the iphone cable or wifi on the same wifi network. Lockieolou (talk) 07:45, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockieolou The top of this page says "The Wikipedia help desk is a place where you can ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia."

You could try asking at the Computing reference desk. Bazza (talk) 08:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am attempting to transfer (copy) mucic albums from Ubuntu Mate laptop computer to ipohone 6 + ==

I have attempted copying using various music programs including VLC but I have not been able to do the transfer as the only visible iphone folder in VLC is DCIM.

I would like to tansfer the files either by connecting the devices with the iphone cable or wifi on the same wifi network. Lockieolou (talk) 08:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockieolou: This help desk can only assist you with questions related to using or editing Wikipedia. For general computing questions, try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:15, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi i was trying to look at a wikipedia article in multiple languages to see differences, and now im getting emails from these wikis. How do i leave these wikis as I dont understand. The wikis are arabic wikipedia and italian wikipedia Translinuxcat (talk) 12:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Translinuxcat: Your account is automatically created at a wiki if you visit it while logged in. You will probably only get one mail from each wiki to notify you that you got a welcome message on your user talk page. Just ignore it. Accounts cannot be removed at a wiki. I suggested at meta:Welcoming policy to disallow welcome posts to users with no edits but it hasn't received much attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Translinuxcat if these are notifications, you could go to the it/ar equivalent of Preferences and then Notifications and then Email options and select Do not send me any email notifications. TSventon (talk) 12:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The interface will be in the local language by default. At Special:GlobalPreferences you can select English as interface language at all wikis. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do I submit an article for deletion, i want to delete the Adopt Me and Gamefam Studios pages 107.119.65.124 (talk) 13:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would first suggest that you review WP:DELETE, as well as WP:BEFORE, before pursuing deletion. Please see WP:AFDHOWTO for instructions, though users lacking an account will need help to complete the process(which the instructions describe). 331dot (talk) 13:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've been learning a lot of physics lately from Wikipedia, and many pages contain very helpful animations. Many appear as to have been computer generated, for example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Torque_animation.gif and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cat_fall_150x300_6fps.gif I think it would be very useful for my learning experience to read the computer code for such animations, however I have been unable to find it.

Is there a way to find the code that generated these files and others like them? Would I need to contact their creators to ask? What would be the proper and polite way to go about it? Many thanks! :) Gabi Teodoru (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabiteodoru: the general answer is "no", unless the uploader added comments on the file's page. You may be able to contact the uploader of the file. One fairly rare type of animation, animated SVG, carries the code embedded in the file. I suggest you take a look at Blender (software) and get help from its very active community. -Arch dude (talk) 14:42, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arch dude Thanks! Gabi Teodoru (talk) 16:24, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gabiteodoru, if I now wanted to get into creating animated graphics, I would get a copy of SVG Essentials by J. David Eisenberg, published by O'Reilly. You can find copies on Ebay for less than £4, including delivery. Maproom (talk) 06:25, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

how do you edit a wiki page Elainegardner (talk) 15:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elainegardner By editing this page, you successfully edited a page. Articles(what we call the content of the encyclopedia) are edited in a similar way. I am going to post some introductory information on your user talk page(User talk:Elainegardner). 331dot (talk) 15:41, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add the ISBN number to a book that's listed in my draft article's Bibliography section. Can I do that manually, or do I have to use a template? The ISBN number I'm talking about has no dashes and it's 13 digits long. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk • contribs) 18:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: Hi there! In your Draft:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley, you use the {{citation}} template for each book in the "Bibliography" section. You can add the |isbn= parameter to the template to add the ISBN number. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Was Kisevalter Nash? Note that it doesn't matter to the Wiki software whether the ISBN has any spaces or dashes within it, provided it has 10 or 13 digits. Since you are drafting the article you might as well stick to one style, either with or without the conventional dashes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:29, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can I use a paywalled New York Times obituary as a reference? I have a subscription to the NYT, so I can read it by logging into my account, but I'm guessing many people surfing Wikipedia won't be able to do that because they don't have a subscription. Is there any way around that? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk • contribs) 19:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A paywall is not a barrier to using a source, see WP:PAYWALL. Sources do not need to be free or easy to access. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FYI

 – Created section header. GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello: Thanks for the excellent Wikipedia project. As a cyberjournalism professor I would like to learn how to create pop-up texts as they occur in your contents through a linked word or phrase. Is that a propietary technology by Wikepedia or is it open source? Thank you. My email is [redacted] if you need to reply direct to my query. Rafael Matos Cccrafael (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cccrafael: Hi there! Are you referring to the {{Tooltip}} template? If not, could you please give us an example of a Wikipedia article where you see a "pop-up text"? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to the page previews? If so take a look at these links:

• https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Page_Previews
• https://diff.wikimedia.org/?s=page+previews

Random person no 362478479 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cccrafael: Wikipedia use the MediaWiki wiki software, which is open source. -Arch dude (talk) 21:56, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A third feature is Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups. Always be specific when you ask questions, e.g. saying which text you see on which link. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The names of monuments that are neither English nor American, in my opinion, should be written in the original language; for example, "Church of Santa Croce", corresponds, in the Italian language, to "Chiesa di Santa Croce"; being a monument, in this case, Italian, would it not be better to write it in Italian? JackkBrown (talk) 23:21, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, this is English language Wikipedia and usually follows what reliable English language sources do, see WP:UE and more detail at WP:ENG. For example, "Church of Santa Croce" is a redirect to Santa Croce, Florence. TSventon (talk) 23:38, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, please don't delete or change your talk page comments after someone has replied to them, see the guidance at WP:REDACT. I think the policy of following the usage English language sources makes sense, as Wikipedia aims to summarise what reliable sources say about a subject. The guidance also deals with situations where there are multiple possible foreign language titles. Italian Wikipedia will have articles about Italian monuments with Italian titles. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JackkBrown In addition to the other good advice, please note that the English language has names (in English) for things in other countries. We talk about the Eiffel Tower, the Sistine Chapel, the Great Wall of China, etc. In an article about the Great Wall of China, if its name were written in (some dialect of) Chinese each time it was mentioned, the article would be confusing to those of us who couldn't read what was being talked about. David10244 (talk) 17:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

However, correct me if I'm wrong, but if there're few if any uses of an English name for an entity, we go with the native name, eg for the obscure village "Glückliche Stadt", we keep that name rather than translating it to "Happytown" on our own dime, if there's no common English name because English texts have no reason to talk about this obscure and, frankly, dismal collection of decrepit hovels. We should put the English translation in the lede IMO, and sometimes we do. For good or ill, that's the common practice. Herostratus (talk) 21:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 8

In a recent discussion on the Talk:Donald Trump page, an editor said this: editors are not required to cite sources in talk page discussions. Do you actually need to cite sources in talk page discussions? I was under the impression that you should (or at least, a good argument should) cite sources in talk page discussions when you argue for something that isn't WP:SKYISBLUE or explicitly stated in the article text. For example, if I state that the reason that X belongs in the text because X is part of a broader Y or because X is directly tied to Y, yet Y does not exist anywhere in the article, surely an outside RS needs to be brought in to qualify that statement? And even if X is directly tied to Y, and an outside source is brought in, an argument that argues that X is tied to Y must find a way to work Y into the article, since Y is the reason why X is notable/non-fringe/non-trivial? Thanks in advance, Cessaune [talk] 00:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You are not required to cite sources in a talk page discussion. But if you can cite a source in support of your view, and your opponents can't or don't, you are likely to win the argument. Maproom (talk) 06:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The exception being talk pages of articles about living persons, if the material is possibly negative or controversial, you must have a good source. You can't just say "Should we mention that Smith is a convicted embezzler?" or even "Should we mention that Smith is a convicted embezzler, as the Akron Daily News says?", it has to be like "Should we mention that Smith is a convicted embezzler, as the Akron Daily News says, here: [link]". And the source has to be reliable/notable enough to use in the article. And even then you should be as circumspect as possible. "Should we use this source [here] and include the allegation made there?" would be much preferable. WP:BLP applies to all pages in the Wikipedia. Herostratus (talk) 22:13, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix and restore the new Gold Medalists and the Next Olympic Champions is:the United States of America in Women's Volleyball Tokyo 2020 Olympics. Brazil wins the Silver. And Bronze goes for Serbia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volleyball_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_tournament Please report it about the user 2804:2FA4:90C6:7600:4DFA:7F88:F4A7:533D for the user has done. I undo the damages. 100.2.149.243 (talk) 05:06, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, IP editor for restoring the page correctly. It can be difficult to spot that type of vandalism but the person who did it was from Brazil and was presumably annoyed by the real result. That set of edits yesterday seems to be their only contribution so far. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry if this question doesn't quite fit the criteria of this page but I am new to this site and really like writing and editing but can't really find anything interesting to write about, how do people even find good articles to edit? I've been thinking of translating pages from English to Bulgarian but I don't know how that works. Could anyone tell me how to find fresh, interesting articles to write and edit on? (I don't want you to send me articles, I want a way of finding articles) Thanks. RadoGaming7 (talk) 08:48, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RadoGaming7 The Community Portal is a good place to find things to do. If you are interested in translation, please read more about it at this page. You may find using the new user tutorial helpful. 331dot (talk) 08:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Will check them out. :) RadoGaming7 (talk) 08:58, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by your Username, RadoGaming7, you might be interested in some of these Projects: the live ones are marked in green. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:12, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@RadoGaming7, you also might try finding an article in your area of interest and scroll down to look at what categories it's in. Click on a category that sounds interesting and see which articles are in it. You can visit those articles to see if they need improvement. Valereee (talk) 12:23, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't thought of that. Thanks RadoGaming7 (talk) 12:57, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, RadoGaming7. For information about how to translate English language Wikipedia articles into another language, please read WP:TRANSLATEUS. The attribution part is important. Cullen328 (talk) 16:10, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For months I have been working mainly on MOS:CAPTIONS; since every page I open presents problems with this rule, and since, faced with almost 7 million pages, it's impossible to correct all the captions by myself, would there be any other person very knowledgeable about this rule who would like to contribute to this work? JackkBrown (talk) 14:41, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's great to hear that you've been working on improving the captions on Wikipedia pages and following the MOS:CAPTIONS guideline. This is an important task that can greatly enhance the quality and accessibility of Wikipedia articles.

As for finding other people knowledgeable about this rule to help with your work, you might consider reaching out to WikiProjects or task forces related to the subject matter of the articles you're working on. These groups often have members with specialized knowledge and experience in particular areas, and they may be able to provide guidance or assistance with captioning.

You could also try posting a request for help on relevant WikiProject talk pages or the MOS talk page, where other editors and volunteers can see your request and potentially offer their assistance.

Overall, collaboration and community engagement are essential to improving Wikipedia and ensuring that articles are accurate, informative, and accessible. Thank you for your efforts in working to improve captions on Wikipedia, and best of luck with your continued work! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 03:22, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! The discography & videography in the Peter Alsop article appears to have been edited by Alsop himself in 2021. The information is very likely accurate, but is it still worth adding a conflict of interest box to the article? And if so, how would I do that? I haven't done it yet 😭 Wizard Derk (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wizard Derk: Hi there! The information added by User:Peter Alsop doesn't seem significant enough to add a {{COI}} template. Instead, I suggest adding {{more citations needed section}} to the "Career" section, as the discography and videography are completely unsourced. Or, you could find sources for these. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply! I will do; I appreciate your help! Wizard Derk (talk) 18:27, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would like to use the import/export feature to add a wikipedia template to another site, but I'm not clear under what license this type of wikipedia "software" is being offered. Can someone enlighten me? 2601:1C0:6800:31C0:80E5:842C:F91C:D9A (talk) 18:25, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AIisajid3064320498 37.111.149.32 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I hierd someone to create a page for me on the site and we didn't go along till the end so he left the work unfinished now I need to delete thae page that he did to create a correct one from the beginning and have the ability to edit it whenever I need so how can we do this ? 156.222.217.147 (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. It would help if you would tell us the name of the article: I can only give you a general answer.

If you hired somebody to "create a page for you", you have probably been scammed: maybe not, but probably.

They should have declared their status as a paid editor, researched to find reliable independent sources about you, and written an article based on what those sources say, not on what you say or want to say. If they have done all that, then it is likely that you cannot get it the article deleted, because if they have done that, it probably meets Wikipedia's criteria.

If they failed to declare their status, they should be blocked for breaking Wikipedia's terms of use, but the article will not necessarily be deleted. However, if they did not find and cite adequate sources to establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then the article probably will be deleted. If such sources do not exist, then no article about you will be accepted, whoever writes it. ColinFine (talk) 19:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I gather that you hired someone to write an article (the preferred term, not page) because you wanted to write about yourself or your business; it is inadvisable for you to contribute about yourself or your conflict of interest. We can delete the article or draft if you tell us what it is. 331dot (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 9

Is it correct to insert the dashes detached from the words, or attached? I have sometimes seen them attached, even on very important American pages, and have always left them attached when I found them that way, believing it to be correct. Examples (they are made up): "United States of America–in 2009–"; and "United States of America – whose Constitution was completed in September 1787 –". JackkBrown (talk) 00:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:DASH

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the width of the dash. An em dash is unspaced, an en dash has a space on each side. See WP:DASH for the details. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@StarryGrandma: I'm referring to the wide dashes (this: –, not this: -). Example: "with the aid of Bishop Zeferino González y Díaz Tuñón founded the Institute of Adorers of the Blessed Sacrament and Daughters of Mary Immaculate – this would be the origin of the order that she and her sister would establish not long after. JackkBrown (talk) 01:21, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those are em dashes. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 01:32, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend Trappist's succinct recommendation. It's not clear what Random's "those" refers back to. Anyway, "-" is not a dash at all (it's a hyphen); "–" is an en dash, and "—" is an em dash. (And there are also other graphemes that are realized as simple horizontal lines.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:47, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to wide dashes. But looking at what @JackkBrown called "wide dashes", I think that they are actually en dashes as opposed to hyphens and not em dashes as opposed to en dashes. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 01:55, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ITALICS help please: In the Roger Lupton section of this page - ref number 16 - please put the "Dictionary of National..." in italics - I failed when trying. It's true that all books should be in italics isn't it? Thanks in advance 175.38.42.62 (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is in italics. Since you used a template Wikipedia took care of the formatting. Or am I missing something? Random person no 362478479 (talk) 01:26, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kotobank is broken.....0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 03:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is it broken? Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I often edit from my Android Samsung mobile phone, as well as from my PC. I find that on my phone I cannot edit various talk pages other than article talk or user talk. This has been the case for some months; I raised it as a problem, I think in a zoom chat, and was asked for screenshots. Today I have at last discovered how to get a screnshot on this phone. So ...

I want to edit Draft talk:Honest History (magazine). If I use the "reply" link, I get a red box above my input saying "invalid response from server". If I click "read as wiki page" and do an ordinary edit (not VE), I get a red box saying "Error, something unexpected happened upon loading the preview. Please close and try again."

What is happening here? Can I fix it? Or are mobile editors considered to be an underclass who don't need access to backstage areas like Draft Talk? PamD 05:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]