Amanda Dennis (soccer)

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Footballer who played 1 game at the senior level before announcing her retirement. Barely scrapes through NFOOTY, completely fails GNG. BlameRuiner (talk) 08:49, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Agree with nomination. Nowhere near to satisfying WP:GNG MaskedSinger (talk) 09:34, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Clearly passes WP:NFOOTY. Seany91 (talk) 10:33, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We need to be reasonable in our inclusion criteria. With actors and actresses we require "multiple" "signifiacnt" roles in "Notable" productions. There is no reason we should allow just one game to make a sportperson notable. We should use reason in evaluating articles, and any reasonable standard says delete articles in most cases on people who made just one top level game.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:29, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete It seems like more and more as of late we have people with 1 appearance being nominated who are ostensibly notable under WP:NFOOTY per Players who have played, and managers who have managed, in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues will generally be regarded as notable, which has become an increasingly problematic criterion. It seems to make sense for someone who is still a current footballer, but for retired players, it could be a bit much to have an article for anyone who has ever played in a match between two fully professional teams as that is tens-of-thousands of people. I think that the main argument I have for deletion here is lack of chance for expansion with her retirement with no indication of coming out of retirement. If she does come out of retirement, article could always be retrieved via WP:REFUND, but without any overtures of her coming out of retirement, I have to vote delete. snood1205 15:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: AfD is not the appropriate place to be WP:LAWYERING over a policy like WP:NFOOTY or randomly making up new interpretations like current vs. retired players. Especially concerning female footballers, we've seen hundreds of AfDs where broso editors argued strongly for NFOOTY as the primary reason for deletion; now here's a case where the subject clearly and unequivocally passes NFOOTY, and suddenly the wikilawyering starts. I'm personally all for re-evaluating NFOOTY and many woso editors have been arguing for precisely that to no avail, but I'll say here what woso editors have been told many times: until there is consensus for changing it, NFOOTY should be applied as it is written. Seany91 (talk) 15:28, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like to clarify that I am not denying that the person meets notability per WP:NFOOTY; however, one who meets a WP:SNG must eventually meet WP:GNG and with her being a modern-era, retired player, it is just incredibly unlikely that despite meeting a WP:SNG she will eventually come to meet WP:GNG. I do see how my comment can be WP:LAWYERING, but my comment re retired and current players is more with regards to how WP:NFOOTY eventually would translate into WP:GNG. The difference being with a retired player, especially a recently retired player, if they do not currently meet WP:GNG it is very unlikely they will in the future. My arguments for this largely comes from other AfDs I have participated in recently where just passing WP:NFOOTY does not seem to have been enough to keep, for example: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edvin Dahlqvist or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Sørensen (footballer, born 1989). I'm more just trying to find where WP:NFOOTY is sufficient versus where WP:GNG is required. snood1205 15:43, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I appreciate the explanation and my comment was not directed towards you personally. Nonetheless, my point remains that your wondering-out-loud should be reserved for WT:NFOOTY. As for NFOOTY vs. GNG, here's my personal observation: even leaving aside that NFOOTY is already systematically biased against female footballers, many editors still make their own NFOOTY vs. GNG distinction in a biased way against female footballers. Seany91 (talk) 15:54, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I am unable to view this article but it looks like it may have SIGCOV. Can anyone confirm? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:25, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @GiantSnowman: ;)
• Delete - there is longstanding consensus that scraping by on NFOOTBALL with one or two appearances is insufficient when GNG is failed so comprehensively, as is the case here. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 16:35, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]