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Your edits reverted my fix to remove duplicate parameters and these files will soon be placed in [[:Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls]]. I'm not watching them, nor am I watching this page, so I leave it to you to fix the issues. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 22:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Your edits reverted my fix to remove duplicate parameters and these files will soon be placed in [[:Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls]]. I'm not watching them, nor am I watching this page, so I leave it to you to fix the issues. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 22:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Gadget850}} Right, already taken care of. See [[Template talk:Non-free use rationale logo#Override fields]]. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058#top|talk]]) 22:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Gadget850}} Right, already taken care of. See [[Template talk:Non-free use rationale logo#Override fields]]. [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058#top|talk]]) 22:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Disambiguation link notifications

As these are generated by a bot, and I occasionally check or patrol the status of these, I moved them to a special archive: /Disambiguation link notifications. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:11, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As this page is basically a list of articles, I've reverted you. You might want to consider creating an article on him over. Read our guidelines on biographies first. Dougweller (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'd have to find more information on him to start a new article myself. He should be mentioned in Semiconductor device#History of semiconductor device development or History of the transistor—its on my todo list. Wbm1058 (talk) 23:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Computer hardware

Please understand the difference between the general term hardware that – when it comes to electronics and computers – may refer to any electronic circuit, such as single-purpose circuits designed to fulfill one particular job, and between computer hardware, which is hardware that is part of a computer, a general-purpose (or special- but multiple-purpose) device that can be custom-programmed to fulfill different jobs. Do not simply change all instances of hardware to computer hardware. Thanks. Nageh (talk) 22:04, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continued here. Sad to see another good editor retire. – Wbm1058 (talk) 00:56, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Continued further at Talk:Computer/Archive 5#Definitions of computer vs. computer (disambiguation), and general-purpose computer vs. special-purpose computer. – Wbm1058 (talk) 20:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Editing this article to meet Wikipedia standards and restoring it to complete Wikipedia's coverage of hardware retailers' cooperatives is on my to-do list. Help with pointing me to useful references would be appreciated. – Wbm1058 (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fecit, Pinxit

Request

Your bot removed a valid although misplaced request. You can easily improve the project by creating the requested redirect. Thank you. 66.191.153.36 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see. you can do this yourself. Just click on the red link to fecit, and enter the following text to create the redirect page: #REDIRECT [[Pinxit]] and then save the page. Cheers, Wbm1058 (talk) 19:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I just found that there is another way to do this. Go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects (WP:Redirects for creation redirects there). Either method is fine, but you might need to use the second method if you're not autoconfirmed. – Wbm1058 (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but as an IP editor I can't create anything. I'll try the other route. Problem with such pages, in case you've never looked there, is that they have huge backlogs. Articles for creation sometimes has a backlog of over a thousand submissions. Odd that I couldn't find that page, though, so thank you--I knew it had to exist. 66.191.153.36 (talk) 23:18, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fecit

Thanks--that will work. See the frustrations of an IP editor? It takes two days for a simple redirect, and the ignorance of one editor can hold up the entire process. 66.191.153.36 (talk) 23:41, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw that, so I helped you out. Maybe there should be an article on Signatures and inscriptions on art or something like that, which covers both, and any other ways that artists have signed their works over the ages. I added a ref. that covers the topic. If you stick with this, consider signing up for an account, that should ease these types of problems. Wbm1058 (talk) 23:58, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For now, I would prefer not to. Odd--the German wiki has Signatur (kunst); the best we can do is a pop-culture thing like Signature artwork. Thanks again. 66.191.153.36 (talk) 03:23, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see, de:Signatur (Kunst)... de:Fecit and de:Pinxit both redirect there. Signature (fine art) and Signature (art) are red links. You're very welcome! – Wbm1058 (talk) 03:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia "Merge" like WP:RM or WP:AFD

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Wikipedia "Merge" like WP:RM or WP:AFD -- PBS (talk) 03:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've been sleeping on this, and dreamed up some ideas which I'll post there in a while. – Wbm1058 (talk) 12:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is very good news. Village pump proposal archive fairly quickly. If it does I'll copy the discussion somewhere else. I think the best place to do so is Wikipedia talk:Proposed mergers as that seems to be roughly the equivalent of RM. If I do I'll let you know. -- PBS (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have posted some ideas of my own. -- PBS (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you were involved with automation of requested moves. Sorry, I'm still tweaking things at RM (I'm a bit of a perfectionist). Eventually I'll get to it, but merges are a big bite to chew and I don't want to spread thin and lose too much focus. Wbm1058 (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note to myself – look at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 67#WP:Requested mergeWbm1058 (talk) 21:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Are you familiar with {{Requested move old}} (originally named {{Movereq old}})? As far as I can tell, it wasn't documented anywhere, until I just added it to WP:Template messages/Moving#After (potentially) controversial move requests are closed. Although it's been around since 24 December 2010‎, when Rich Farmbrough created it (what I've seen of his work is of highest technical quality), I haven't found any talk page discussion of it anywhere. But some editors have used it—it's transcluded on some 59 talk pages (the last two are my doing). Just amazed that I haven't noticed this template until today. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How Rich announced his new template: diffWbm1058 (talk) 21:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC) ...it stayed in the instructions until this edit. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
personally I don't see the point of Richard's template. I would suggest that automating the merge procedure would be a much better bang for the buck than further perfecting the automated RM procedure, particularly as the algorithms for mulit-move requests and proposed merges are similar and proposed merges are such a mess -- some of them have been around for may years. -- PBS (talk) 00:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
His template could be used to eliminate some redundancy and in my opinion is more elegant than harej's solution for archiving closed RMs. Eventually I would like any similar solutions for merges to be implemented consistently with the RM solutions. But, yes, further teaking here need not hold up some temporary solutions for merges, since that's such a mess... Wbm1058 (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am missing knowledge of what harej's solution is, and why it is thought necessary. Surly to close a RM one just uses {{poll top}}. Why is anything else needed? -- PBS (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually you should use the more specific {{subst:RM top}}. The old and new page names are included as parameters in {{requested move/dated}}. Closing instructions call for removal of {{requested move/dated}}. It needs to be removed so the bot doesn't pick it up, as the bot looks for transclusions of that template. So, to keep a record of the old and new page names in the archived section on the talk page, harej created {{subst:Requested move}}, which creates the {{requested move/dated}} template, and redundantly writes a list of old and new pages outside of the /dated template, so the list will still be there after /dated is removed. Now, if instead of removing it, we simply change its name to {{requested move old}}—or {{requested move/old}}—voila, now we don't need to write the redundant list outside the template. The redundancy can cause issues, when an editor corrects their typo or changes their mind about what the new name should be, they need to make the change in two places. – Wbm1058 (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I also just observed that until June, 2011 User:RFC bot created an Automated list of proposed mergers at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log, which were nominated for deletion. Why did RFC bot stop creating these lists? – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No idea I'll look into it. -- PBS (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
RFC bot's last Proposed mergers list updates were on 29 August 2011. The Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log revision history shows that harej was having trouble getting the bot to "Behave, please.", and about this time he was turning over the bot to a new operator. Looks like a ball was dropped. I'll see if I can pick it up. –Wbm1058 (talk) 21:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bookmarking an old Feature request Pending Approval. – Wbm1058 (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Archived at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 98#Wikipedia "Merge" like WP:RM or WP:AFD. If I didn't keep branching off into other directions, I'd get to this sooner. So much to do. :} Wbm1058 (talk) 21:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Merge/Archive 2#Automation of merge proposals -- PBS (talk) 10:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well duh. The bot was working off of Category:Merge by month, which became a soft redirect to Category:Articles to be merged on 30 August 2011. No wonder the bot's last successful run was 29 August 2011... I patched the program with the new category name and it seems to be happy. Time to file the bot request for approval. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:51, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an example of what I mean by "they need to make the change in two places": diff. – Wbm1058 (talk) 13:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am rather busy at the moment fixing hundreds of pages that use EB1911 as a source, so I have not been following the merge discussions for the last month or so. What is the state of play at the moment? Has the system been automated yet? -- PBS (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see, {{EB1911}}, Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition – looks like a worthy project. Recently added to the public domain because it turned 100 yrs old? Merge bot is running every 24 hours, and awaiting approval. See Wikipedia:Proposed mergers#Tagged articles. Also on my plate is supporting multiple tags on a single talk page, see #Cannot get RMCD bot to trigger and Wikipedia_talk:Requested_moves/Archive 25#Add section title for adding automatically. A solution here can be leveraged to merge proposals, as I'm sure there will be some proposing merge A into B, then below that someone else will propose A into C. Wikipedia:Proposed mergers#Requests for assistance and feedback remains moribund, mostly supported by a single editor. Probably the next step is to change the current manual process there to another manual process in the form that is desired to be automated. In other words a process that is maintained manually in a similar manner to how requested moves is maintained manually when the RM or RMCD bot is down. Then I can work on automating that manual process. Should be easier to do here than at RM because the activity level is so low. Getting closer to that, hoping to get to it soon. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Warren (Porridge) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Warren (Porridge) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warren (Porridge) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of Newtonian fluid and viscous stress tensor

Hi, apparently you have restored the merge tag in Newtonian fluid assuming that it had been deleted by accident. Actually the tag was deleted because it was posted 6 months ago, and since then there have been no arguments for the merge, but two against it. Besides the article has been edited heavily in the meantime, so it is dubious whether the editor who put the tag there would still want to do it.
That said, I must complain about the tag being placed on the article (and at the *top* of the article) rather than on the talk page. Please do not quote the manual of style. (Some years ago I looked closely at how MOS pages get created, and saw that they are generally the work of half a dozen people, who declare it "consensus" without any input from the other 10,000 editors.) There is an older fundamental and eminently sensible rule saying that messages to other editors should be placed on the talk page, never on the article itself. Article-side editorial tags were apparently first invented for biographies of living people, with the excuse that they were a warning to readers as well as to editors. But then other people started inventing other tags for all sort of banal editor-to-editor messages, and apparently felt that for being enclosed in a flashy frame those messages were somehow exempt from that fundamental rule. So now we have hundreds of millions of obnoxious tags that hog the articles for years on end, thanks to a few dozen editors who enjoy creating tags and pasting them by the thousands, but never take the time to fix the articles or discuss them in the talk page. Of course, those are the same editors who write the Manual pages that "legalize" the use of such article-side tags, "by consensus"...
Sigh. Can't people see how ridiculous and yucky Wikipedia articles look with those post-its all over the place? Can't people see what will inevitably happen when editors can tag an article with a few mouse clicks, but it takes at least half an hour of work to remove a tag?
Sorry for the rant but I had to try. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 02:21, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Adding permalinks to block log entries for 3RR

Discussions are consolidated at /Adding permalinks to block log entries. – Wbm1058 (talk) 14:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Deep gratitude

A big thank you for your help to clear Category:Cross-namespace redirects into its subcats. Really can't thank you enough! Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 03:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. One final push to clear most of the rest, and then it will be time to take a break. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Break? Whassat?! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 05:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aeronautics

Hi,

There is a discussion here on whether to move the aeronautics article to Aeronautical science (over the redirect). Some background information is provided in the previous discussion on that page. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 16:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I replied at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Location of move discussions. Wbm1058 (talk) 16:53, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

White/blacklist

Hi Wbm1058 - don't worry too much about the beans - it is more that the specialists have techniques of tracking spammers back (like checkusers have techniques to see connections between accounts) that we don't always divulge (if they know what we look for, they know what to hide - I can give examples via email if you like). Outing is a bit of a case when x years ago a named account that carries the name of the owner of a domain, and now an IP that is now doing exactly the same - putting the name on the IP may be sensitive (CheckUsers will not divulge the IP an editor is working under, form of fishing). I tend to avoid to directly link the accounts, I tend to say 'this editor was here before', and you'll have to search them yourselves - you can believe they are there. Example is that someone is now spamming aaa.com, and we know that aaa.com is owned by bbb (domain-data, links in the template above) - if I say that this editor was here before, you might want to look for similar IPs (the range - though those I generally do point to directly), or for a user:bbb .. it is linking publicly available data, but ...

You took the long way to the old discussions (I agree, it is sometimes all we have) - for a long time we use the above tracking template (I would say 6-8 years already) which links nicely to some reports. Finding the back-links leads you quickly to all places where the template is. They are the 'tracked' and 'advanced' links in the Discussions-section in the template above. For mapsofworld.com it would lead you to the request where it was blacklisted, as well as some other attempts. It sometimes also nicely links up different domains of different situations which nonetheless are of the same owner. Also it shows other requests and other discussions where the tracking was added (other whitelist requests, or even outside the spam area). Do take note of other whitelist requests - funnily enough sometimes you get a whitelist request of an IP or newbie stating 'I tried to add my site here, and it was blocked, can it be whitelisted' .. 'my site?' .. so you are still trying to spam.

For specific links we tend to be more lenient (you've been very thorough with mapsofworld), though on some sites (depending on the type) we do often consider whether there are alternatives - like for examiner.com: every click on that article gives money to the writer of the article on examiner.com, if there are alternatives telling the same, then there is no need to sponsor that writer so he gets what was probably the reason why he wrote the article on examiner.com in stead of on any other website (plus, information on examiner.com is sometimes 'scraped', there are better sources). That people follow links from Wikipedia is just the reason that it pays to have your links here - people will visit your website.

If there are questions, don't hesitate to ask. We can also work on a bit of a guideline for some techniques as well, that would be good to make the learning curve a bit less steep, and to make people understand what they can provide to make the work easier (and possibly, faster). --Dirk Beetstra T C 08:57, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note: COIBot just reports from the LiWa3-feeds - some link additions follow typical 'spamming' patterns, and reports for those are saved. That does not mean that the additions are of a type that leads to blacklisting (often, they first get just reverted, or even ignored). Also, COIBot does not blacklist by itself (it does not have admin rights, it does have a function to add things to XLinkBot's revertlist, but also that is by command, not automatic), that is strictly done by 'real' editors - it is just saving the reports when either requested or when the additions of the links follows patterns (or are 'suspect' for other reasons). --Dirk Beetstra T C 17:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bot response test

If you are around, and you don't mind - could you please add the following line to User:COIBot/Poke:

(I may ask this a couple of times, until it works - I'll explain in a bit when it works). Thanks! --Dirk Beetstra T C 18:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mwagh, that was easy, it already worked (coibot does not save the example.xxx reports, but I saw it go through the whole procedure).
I added you to the access-list for that page. If you need a report for a link (a refresh, some extra data, the exact blacklisting rule, etc.) then you can add the plain domain (for 'http://www.example.org/index.htm' you use 'example.org'), wrapped in the LinkSummary-template onto that page, and COIBot should pick that up, and save that (COIBot works with a queue in which these reports do not have the highest priority, it may take some time).
Please note that the current database is recent (less than 2 weeks old, I had to restart on a new server). Older revisions of the reports may have used earlier databases (this is the third major restart ..), so that is sometimes worth checking to find older accounts.
You could now test it for real with that 'washoequiltshoppe.com' - the report (linked under Reports: .. 'COIBot' in the LinkSummary) should then be saved, and that should state which rule on which blacklist catches the link. Hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra T C 19:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I put the hatnote back the way it was. Apparently you discovered TV technology didn't redirect, and I didn't see this because it says "Redirected from Tv technology". It's a software quirk. The obvious solution is to create the redirect, but I didn't know this was needed. It was the journal I needed to link to because it was a reference. I just wanted to make clear the purpose of the hatnote.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I understand the purpose of the hatnote and see that you created the redirect. I still don't think it's necessary to say that "TV technology" redirects to there, as that should be obvious from the title and content of the article. However if you prefer that hatnote, it's OK. I just think a simple {{for}} template should be sufficient in this particular case. Wbm1058 (talk) 19:27, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A little help, please

I created this article from Spanish Wikipedia (don't worry, isn't hard), but my English isn't perfect as i wish, can you make some corrections, please?. Greetings. --Ravave (talk) 19:24, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Ravave: – Sorry, I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help much. You might try asking a member of Category:User es. – Wbm1058 (talk) 19:57, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, Thanks and greetings. --Ravave (talk) 08:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Permalinks to diffs -- coming soon to a Wikipedia near you

Our wish is being granted. This is a feature you asked for in February 2013, and User:EEng requested the same thing in December:

  • Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 108#How to edit—or request an edit—of Special:SpecialPages

The change can now be seen at https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-core/commit/ecc8114014ce16bd12b780e7ebbeaf10810b15b0#diff-2539a8201eaddcd9c316c6cd5773c850 and it was committed six days ago. The Gerrit entry was https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/63395/. Thanks to User:Arkanosis and User:Matma Rex for doing this work. Now edit summaries will be able to permanently link to an explanation for whatever was done. – EdJohnston (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: By the way, this will be announced in next week's Tech News, which are being sent to WP:VPT here (this is configurable if someone believes there's a better place, I'd have to look up how to do it). The feature itself will go live on 6 February 2014 per mw:MediaWiki 1.23/Roadmap. Matma Rex talk 20:39, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I see this is already working at mediawiki.org. For instance mw:Special:Diff/467927 gives a diff. It will be good to announce this at WP:VPT but WP:AN might also benefit from knowing about this feature. It is usable in block logs, for instance. You'll be able to cite a thread at ANI (in a block summary) without fear of the thread being archived and the link no longer working. EdJohnston (talk) 21:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice! Thanks for letting me know. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:14, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Tragically, the Permalink special page is not taking me to sections any more. See a testing page for some examples. Even the permalinks I previously created in my log of blocks are no longer going to sections. This is puzzling. Special:Version shows we are still at the 1.23wmf11 (ae1e2f5) version of Mediawiki, so the software running enwiki has not recently had a version change. EdJohnston (talk) 16:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your response on my sandbox page. It may interest you to know that wmf12 has been released here and Special:Diff/12345 is working as of today. EdJohnston (talk) 17:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sunapee trout listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Sunapee trout. Since you had some involvement with the Sunapee trout redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Dude, thank you so much. That makes me feel so much better. At first, I felt like I was being attacked by Wikipedia when Rincewind42 was reverting tons of my edits, but now I see that I shouldn't give up. Thanks for the good advice and I'll keep trying from here! And I'll look at her page.

Although for the Teletubbies thing, I think I'm just going to ask an administrator about that, because two experienced editors are both giving me two different points of view. Rincewind42 seems to be implying that Teletubbies links are not okay at all, and Bkonrad implies with his edits that it is completely fine in disambiguation pages, so how does it sound to settle this once and for all with an administrator? MadisonGrundtvig (talk) 21:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. For what it's worth, Rincewind42 is not an administrator, while Bkonrad is. I'd just let the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Hatnote play out some more to see what kind of consensus develops there. I started that discussion because I guessed that sooner or later you would run into someone who reverted that type of edit, and I was right. The guidelines on this aren't as clear as they could be, and consensus does change over time. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

You have a comment at Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Discussion. Cheers, CapnZapp (talk) 20:17, 5 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log/July 2006

Why did you tag Wikipedia:Proposed mergers/Log/July 2006 (and a few others like it) for G6? Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because I run user:Merge bot, which creates these, and I cannot delete them myself, because I am not an administrator, as user:Harej, who wrote that bot which I took over is (he deleted these files himself). I would be happy to take care of this mop-task myself if I had the privileges to do so (hint to potential nominators). Those files are outdated and stale. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that makes sense. I've restored the CSD tags and clarified the reason. Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The first WP:G6 reason given is "Deleting dated maintenance categories", that's why I just gave the reason "Deleting dated maintenance categoriespages." The bot never completely clears these, as it only writes the file when there is at least one item left. Thus, the last item(s) removed after the previous bot update must be manually cleared. Wbm1058 (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

trivial edits

Wondering why you're making trivial edits like {{IPAlink| → {{IPA link|. Isn't that considered mildly disruptive? It clutters up watch lists for no actual purpose. — kwami (talk) 22:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. I finished those edits five days ago, are they just now showing up on watchlists? Although I honestly didn't think of that side effect, they were all marked as minor edits. Ordinarily I wouldn't make that edit just for the sake of it, but as I was also wanting to make null edits to those to clear false-positive transclusions of {{error}}s, I decided to kill two birds with one stone. Probably templates like that which are transcluded on so many pages shouldn't be renamed in the first place, it's a little like renaming a file in that no readers actually see the names. But those redirects do clutter up the list of transclusions for editors attempting to track down the source of a transclusion. Anyhow, it's water under the bridge now. Wbm1058 (talk) 02:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A proposed move that uses ref tags is confusing the RMCD bot

See this issue about red error messages at the bottom of WP:RM. When I view WP:Requested moves/Current discussions and click the the 'Discuss' link for this move (search for 'Anna Pou' to find the move entry) it gives a link to the talk page but no section. Normally there is a section link. This leads me to think that the refs are confusing the RMCD bot. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two issues here. The logic for linking to sections is not as robust as it could be, and my limited experience with regular expressions (regex) has kept that a longer-term issue. One of these days I hope to find a solution. The other issue regarding the missing reflist I think I can solve. This is the first time that I've seen Template:Reflist-talk, that's nice to have an alternative for talk pages. I'll see what I can do. Wbm1058 (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
One of the proposals in the Help desk discussion was to change WP:RM to bracket the transclusion of Current discussions like so: <noinclude> {{/Current discussions}} </noinclude> . See a comment by User:Fuhghettaboutit. When I tried this in the edit buffer, it did get rid of the red error messages in the full RM listing. I didn't save my change since I don't want to break the world. What do you think? EdJohnston (talk) 03:28, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think Fuhghettaboutit did get a workable solution implemented, where the noinclude tags sandwiched the references only, on the talk page for the specific Katrina/hospital deaths incident. My head can sometimes get spinning with all the transclusions, but I think if you put noincludes on the RM page itself you would effectively block transclusion of the whole subpage – Wbm1058 (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Samuel Eto&

Hi there. After replying to your discussion I tagged the page for speedy deletion and it was in fact erased almost immediately by NawlinWiki. So in case you didn't read my answer, here's a copy:

I've compared this original request to the existing article at Samuel Eto'o. Actually the IP wants some statistical table entries to be changed, namely "La Liga 2004-2005": 37||25||6||1||0||0||7||4||0||45||29||637||24||6||1||0||0||7||4||0||45||28||6 and "Barcelona Total": !145!!108!!26!!15!!3!!0!!41!!18!!9!!201!!129!!35!145!!108!!26!!15!!3!!0!!41!!18!!9!!201!!128!!35 (bold font by me). But as there are no references for the League entries at all, I'm not going to change it. I think we can have this page speedied. De728631 (talk) 16:50, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that there would have been any harm in letting it stay up for a week. Now my time spent trying to help a new editor at User talk:218.103.122.51 was a waste. We didn't give them any chance to explain and perhaps provide a source supporting the change. I see you're an admin too, why didn't you just delete it yourself? This page was also useful in pointing out how we don't make it easy for editors to request protected edits of this sort. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't delete the page myself because I commented there and wanted to let it stay for at least a little bit in order to let you and Technical13 read my reasoning. Actually I didn't expect the page to be deleted so soon, but I generally expect the deleting administrator to check whether the content of a page merits a "keep". Apparently this was not the case here. As to your efforts with helping IP 218.103.122.51, I'm glad to see you're trying to help them but do you really need the original botched edit request for that? But if you think it would help I'm willing to temporarily restore the page and histmerge the content to Talk:Samuel Eto'o. De728631 (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When I tag anything with a "speedy", I generally expect that my "speedy" request might be processed as soon as within the next minute, and would not be surprised if it was; any possible contradictory guidelines notwithstanding. And I admit that it annoys me a bit to see a "speedy" still sitting on a page a week later. If a tag is supposed to stay up for a week, then maybe it shouldn't be called speedy. It's all relative, I know, but a week is not my idea of "speedy". I actually needed to edit that talk page and then go to special:ComparePages to figure out (my best guess) what the editor was really requesting. I think the easiest way to honor that request, if found to be appropriate, would be to simply cut-paste the entire "sandbox". If I was an admin, I might have moved that page, without leaving behind a redirect, to someplace where such a page would not be speedily deleted. As I was suggesting to T-13, maybe he could find the help page explaining what to do in such situations. I'm not aware of any guidance here, so perhaps boldly implementing a solution is appropriate. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:56, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From Wikipedia:Edit requests#Requests for templates: Instead of pasting the code on the talk page, which can affect its readability, just place a link to the /sandbox along with the request and rationale. Except that this isn't a template. But that general approach does seem to me to be the easiest way to provide "a clear and specific description of the requested change". Wbm1058 (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Despite of their name, speedy deletions are rather seldomly processed within the next minute. After all at the least the creators of such pages shall be given the opportunity to contest the deletion. So while it shouldn't take a week for them to be processed, speedy deletion requests are automatically collected in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion which is then worked on by admins every now and then. And from my experiece it generally takes a few hours until such pages are eventually "speedily" deleted.
But back to the edit request. IMO the actual change was clearly not as complex as to merit the creation a of a whole sandbox page. I think also that we don't need to restore the full page history unless the IP can provide sources for these goal statistics. And by the way, T-13 is just fine with the deletion. But if you'd like to have the page restored and moved somewhere for reference and documentation I'm going to do that. De728631 (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Right, generally deletion requests sit for a while, but Murphy's law doesn't respect "generally". What the requester wanted wasn't as obvious to Technical13 as it was to you. Wikipedia:Pending changes level 1 protection would have let the new editor submit the request in a way that could more easily be understood. I agree that creation of a sandbox is more clunky, but any sandboxes created for this purpose could be speedily deleted by an administrator after deciding whether the edit request was reasonable or not. It's only worth restoring the full page history for reference and documentation if we want to pursue more editor feedback about the general issues involved; not for any further discussion of this specific request. Given that, if you want to restore it, I would suggest making it a subpage of Wikipedia talk:Edit requests. But for now I'm just going to keep the issue in the back of my head, until I see the problem happen more often. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:59, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:NCR Corporation logo.gif

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Thanks for uploading File:NCR Corporation logo.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 14:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Stefan2: Yes, I'm the editor who removed the image that I uploaded. See talk:NCR Corporation#NCR's logo has just changed. I don't know whether it is worth the effort to save historical logos as their color-scheme changes. In some articles I see sections for historical logos. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Biometals primary topic

So apparently Mega Man ZX isn't the primary topic for Biometals (a redirect that I didn't create, BTW). That's fine, but then what is the primary topic? IOW, what should people see when they type in "Biometals"? A disambig? Jinkinson talk to me 03:29, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The way things are now, there is no primary topic, so the disambiguation is "primary". But if you want to make Biometal (biology) primary, I could support that. Wbm1058 (talk) 03:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Minnesota Fats

Weird. I tried omitting the "current1" field and it was still turning up an error. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plaza Francia (Altamira Square)

Thanks for the redirect. I didn't really know how to do it.--Zfigueroa (talk) 17:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, FreeCOM and 4DOS do have these, so your reason is incorrect. Though I am not sure if these really count (especially the latter). It was not mentioned in the article either. (I am also unsure why this article should be in Wikipedia at all.) Keφr 16:49, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the correction. I reverted my edit. As to whether Wikipedia should document DOS commands at all, I think that ship has already sailed: List of DOS commands. This is done more in the sense of a reference manual than a textbook or how-to manual, which I think is OK. Wbm1058 (talk) 17:13, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An article I started, which could probably benefit from your attention. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 13:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category deletions

Regardless of whether the page was useful, standard practice is to delete pages that were created while the creator was evading a ban.

If you feel that the page was useful enough, you're welcome to re-create it. DS (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Minor whine about RMassist

The 'Discuss' feature of RMassist is a big step forward. What can we do about embedded equal signs in the move reason? Here I did all kinds of gymnastics so I could invoke the reason as "3=Blah blah" instead of just plain "Blah blah". The original problem was that 'Discuss' was creating a discussion page with a blank move reason. Thanks for all your work! EdJohnston (talk) 02:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks EdJohnston! The problem is that the editor had trouble entering the reason in the first place, per the bug documented in {{RMassist}}, specifiying 3= is needed when an equals sign is embedded in the reason. Here is where they fixed it; they hadn't entered any reason in their first edit. But where you see {{{3}}} there needed to be a second "Please put your reason for moving here." and then the editor would have needed to cut/paste in both places. This is getting to be too complicated... I think the solution is to deprecate the unnamed parameter in favor of reason=, just as I've already done in {{Requested move}}. Wbm1058 (talk) 15:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds reasonable. But the language in {{Requested move}} still makes 'reason=' optional. Are you intending to fix that? And if someone continues to supply the reason as an unnamed parameter there should be an understandable warning message. Would there be some benefit to rewriting RMassist in Lua? While we are (possibly) making improvements I could always use a 'sig=no' feature if I'm fixing up someone else's entry. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll just handle it the same way in both templates, to avoid inconsistency, so anyone continuing to supply the unnamed parameter will be unaffected, if they don't also use an equals. Mainly just increase the visibility of reason= while downplaying mention of the unnamed alternative. I still need to spend some time learning Lua to convert it. If it had already been converted to Lua, I wouldn't have as easily been able to make the enhancement I just did. Wbm1058 (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hard to believe someone thinks our current template language is easier than Lua (though I know little about either). The current template language looks to me like random gibberish. It makes regexp look like a sensible well-structured language. EdJohnston (talk) 17:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No argument that the template language isn't extremely mind-bending... it can be that way even to me. I've just got more time invested in figuring it out. Sometime I'll spend more time looking at Lua. I also need to put more time into PHP and regex. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Huffpost article

Hi there! Thanks for sharing this. I too feel that there are valid concerns in this area. I think some editors have used the poor behaviour of purveyors of pseudoscience and religion as a justification for their own biased editing. Sadly, I don't see this situation resolving itself soon as the key to neutralising this issue is prolonged involvement of people without strong feelings on the content (who are less likely to edit such articles in the first place). SFB 19:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Without further ado, I give you ... Template:Delay subst editnotice!

After dealing with the confusion that I had with editing Template:RMassist/preload, I decided to create the above referenced template: {{Delay subst editnotice}}! In fact, I have already made it the editnotice that displays when editing Template:RMassist/preload. Feel free to change to wording of the template, or the template's documentation page. Steel1943 (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's often more than one way to get a job done. Why didn't I think of that? Though it does show the spurious error message when you view the template (not big deal)... Wbm1058 (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If that were a concern, I could fix it too, but I don't think it's worth it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I meant to say not a big deal. I agree. Wbm1058 (talk) 00:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers

Hi Wbm1058,

You asked a while ago about how many editors were using VisualEditor each month, rather than the each-day stats that are given on the dashboard. It appears that the most recent answer is that a bit under 1800 editors here at the English Wikipedia saved an edit with VisualEditor during the month of June. This represents about 5% of the people who have (ever) opted in to VisualEditor (most of whom are not currently active editors) and almost 1.5% of all registered editors who made any edit at all last month.

@Risker:, you might be interested in these numbers, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 23:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As requested by you, I converted both {{Episode list}} and {{Episode list/sublist}} to a module (Module:Episode list). No major problems arose, and the small ones that did were fixed. The only downside is that this isn't an ultimate fix. Whether they display or not, parameters are still part of the inclusion on the main list pages; however, everything is still done more efficiently. IIRC, Season 11 of the Simpsons (ignore the script error, it is completely unrelated) was ~30kB less inclusion. moluɐɯ 23:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Wbm1058 (talk) 20:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Linwood

Hi.

Regarding this topic, You asked about the Linwood name. If you email me, or I can email you, I can tell you. (I added an email but I do not know how to send them).

Thanks.

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Polygraph examiner

Sorry - I didn't mean to be redirecting articles even while you were in the process of providing links to them! 0;-D Actually it was one of your links that called my attention to that unsourced stub. As you saw, I put some sourced information about polygraph examiners into the Polygraph article before redirecting it there. Sounds like you are OK with that? --MelanieN (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, I just tagged it with template:R with possibilities. Someone could expand it into a more detailed and sourced article about the profession. I was interested in the idea that polygraph examiner "is a lay term for the forensic psychophysiologist". If that could be confirmed, it would be nice to add that link back to the polygraph article, if the profession view themselves as forensic psychophysiologists. – Wbm1058 (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I don't find that term at the APA website;[1] I wonder who uses it? --MelanieN (talk) 18:20, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm: http://itrpolygraph.com/ – but the Marine Corp lends some support to this: Marine Corps Enlisted Job Descriptions: MOS 5822 -- Forensic Psycho-physiologist (Polygraph Examiner)Wbm1058 (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page errors

Thanks for finding the Talk page errors you reported at the OTRS Noticeboard. As you guessed, most are OTRS issues; I've begun slogging through them. In many cases, this is a boring technical issues, a new agent used the image template when the text template should have been used. It isn't as simple as changing the template, one has to read the OTRS ticket and track down the text in question, so it is manual, not a task for a bot. I'm glad this was uncovered, because in at least two situations, the permission was for an image, and because the tag was on the talk page, not the image, so the images were deleted. I've recovered ten images that have been or can be restored to articles, so you deserve credit for helping with that.

If I've buttered you up enough, you mentioned that you do patrol for these types of errors, so I wanted to report that at least 4 are something other than OTRS. My plan is to make a formal list, maybe in a subpage, of items I have not handled. Some will be OTRS, and the OTRS team will figure out what to do, but some are not. Would you be willing to take a look at:

And see if they are ones you can handle?--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, a couple of those titles are familiar to me; as I said there were a few there before the OTRS issues appeared. I'll get to them eventually. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
An interesting conversation at Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard #Errors requiring attention, where I reported this issue. Wbm1058 (talk) 13:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, it wasn't always this easy to find {{error}}s to fix this way. See Template talk:Requested move #template:error for discussion of the work I did to make this possible. It's nice to see my efforts paying off! Wbm1058 (talk) 14:03, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK thanks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:57, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just fixed Talk:Misha B/Archive 2 and Talk:Total Siyapaa/Archive 1. The other two have already been addressed. Wbm1058 (talk) 14:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Sphilbrick: 80 left, Get 'em while they're hot! ;D – Wbm1058 (talk) 15:51, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks:) I'm working on a summary of what is left, so now I can skip one category, the non-OTRS issues.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:57, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I found one more:

Thanks, there's light at the end of the tunnel. --S Philbrick(Talk) 19:10, 8 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Sphilbrick: Stuck at 39 left? Wbm1058 (talk) 02:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Let's not say "stuck" but "paused". I have an external summary in progress of the remaining ones. Not surprising, the low-hanging fruit is gone, and the remaining ones are a bit more difficult. I need to finish my summary, identify a game plan for the various categories of open items, and post it. Life intervened, and frankly, it dropped off my radar. thanks for reminding me, I'll try to return to it soon.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion at Talk:Magnifier (Windows)#Requested move 23 August 2014

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Magnifier (Windows)#Requested move 23 August 2014. Thanks. Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 16:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

"BS"

The Rosetta Barnstar
for cracking the code and saving the day. ty amigo. Gregkaye 15:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pithecanthropus erectus‎

Hi, the redirect "stood" for eight years for the same reason why many other obscure incorrect redirects do: No one searched for it, so no one discovered the mistake. Pithecanthropus erectus‎ is a binomial. The species erectus is now classified as Homo erectus. Therefore the genus name Pithecanthropus becomes a synonym of Homo, and P. erectus‎ becomes a synonym of H. erectus. It cannot be a synonym of "java man", because Java man is at best a subspecies of Homo erectus, H. e. erectus. A species cannot be a synonym of a subspecies. FunkMonk (talk) 17:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Pithecanthropus erectus is a binomial." By that you mean Binomial nomenclature? The first part of the name identifies the genus to which the species belongs; the second part identifies the species within the genus. So, Pithecanthropus is the genus and erectus‎ is the species? Well, this is interesting. You have found yet another "obscure redirect" to correct? Wbm1058 (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A binomial is a name consisting of a genus and a species name. Bi refers to two, and nomial refers to name. A genus name can only be a synonym of another genus name. A binomial can only be a synonym of another binomial, etc. That's just how it works. FunkMonk (talk) 18:10, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I see that you've been participating at in an article review at Talk:Java Man/GA1. If there is a consensus there for your changes to these longstanding redirects, then I suppose it's OK by me. I'm not near being an expert in this area. Wbm1058 (talk) 18:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you should be aware that there are many taxonomic synonyms that are left redirecting to the wrong articles due to reclassification, and many other such issues that are left for years. An example from today, Lepidotus. It has been a separate article since 2009, though it is just a disused spelling of Lepidotes. I just redirected it earlier. FunkMonk (talk) 18:28, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I just ran into this when patrolling Category:Invalid redirects. Java man said that Pithecanthropus erectus‎ redirected to it. So those disambiguation hatnotes need to be moved to the new destinations of the redirects. – Wbm1058 (talk) 18:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@FunkMonk: OK, I fixed the hatnotes to be consistent with the new redirect targets. I do find it curious that the new target of Pithecanthropus (Homo) doesn't mention the word (other than in the hatnote), whereas in the former target—Java Man—"Pithecanthropus" is repeated 25 times. – Wbm1058 (talk) 20:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dab moves-Explanation of reversions

Hi Wbm1058, about your moves of the Japanese disambiguation pages: my actions were to restore the disambiguation page to the stable title at the base name, as the standard practice for reversal of controversial moves. Unfortunately, many of the cities listed on these pages were moved without discussion last month, resulting in the large number of links. Hopefully many of these can be solved via redirects. However, the disambiguation pages are the stable titles, and there is no correct place to redirect the pages without them at the base names (the cities are definitely not the correct target of base name redirects). I'm sorry that this creates a lot of links (I know, I worked on DPL for a long time), but the default is to return to the stable titles and discuss from there. Dekimasuよ! 20:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, there is ongoing discussion of the undiscussed moves at Shizuoka, Shizuoka. Because the city pages sat at the plain titles for a month before reversion, I think many of the links you mentioned can be fixed by figuring out which are attached to redirects that turned into double redirects when the cities were moved to the plain titles. I would have done more of this myself, but there were more than a dozen pages involved. I guess it goes to show why mass, undiscussed moves that delete dab pages along the way create work for everyone. Dekimasuよ! 21:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm skeptical that any of these were "stable" with hundreds of pages linking to disambiguation. I responded at Talk:Shizuoka, Shizuoka#Requested move. – Wbm1058 (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They didn't have hundreds of pages linking to them, but they were stable. I don't know if someone went through and depiped links in the last month; I haven't done that much research. But you can check the histories and the page moves (where the mover didn't delete the dab entirely). For example, Chiba and Gifu were dab pages continuously with no moves since 2004. Dekimasuよ! 00:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment, it's looking to me like one of the main problems was Template:Metropolitan cities of Japan, which did have piping removed by the editor who moved the dabs. I have fixed a few links on that template, as have others. Dekimasuよ! 00:19, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Dekimasu and Kirin13: OK, I found these at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/The Daily Disambig/Recently added. I would have assumed that your fixes should have removed them from that list. But this isn't something I regularly patrol, so I don't know the ins and outs of it. Chiba and Gifu look OK now. But there is an issue with Nagano. At lot of articles think that the Olympics were held there, and the few I checked are linking directly to that (it's not via a template). Were the Olympics held in the city or the prefecture? I wouldn't know the answer to that offhand. Oh, I see. The dab says (via indentation) they were held in Nagano, Nagano. So how come it's taken so long to fix those links to disambiguation? Wbm1058 (talk) 00:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back at a stable version of Nagano (20 April 2014—it wasn't changed until it moved on 10 September 2014), observe the hatnote. It says:

"Nagano" redirects here. For other uses, see Nagano (disambiguation).

Now that's something that I do patrol for. Shortly after the article moved on Sept. 10 – actually on Sept. 25, I "fixed" the hatnote to support that move. This was flagged by Category:Invalid redirects. So, indeed the long-term stable position for Nagano, at least between April and September, was to redirect to Nagano, Nagano. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:15, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied on Nagano at User talk:Dekimasu#Nagano x3. Dekimasuよ! 01:21, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Small Wikipedia template categories

Category:Small Wikipedia template categories, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 18:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Momoko Tsugunaga

Hi,

You mentioned the page Momoko Tsugunaga in one of your posts at Talk:Shizuoka, Shizuoka#Discussion. There are so many idols like her in Japan and I personally am too old and too square to understand everything the kids are into these days. Your point about Chiba, Japan a good one though. At first glance, I assumed that to be Chiba (city), Japan, but as you say it's hard to tell. Interestingly, her "hometown" is simply given as Chiba-ken (千葉県) on her Japanese Wikipedia page, which is a little unusual because idols typically have lots male fans who know everything (from blood type to favorite "type" (of guy)) about their favorites. I googled her (in Japanese) and found one (fan)site for female idols which lists her hometown as Kashiwa, Chiba. Not sure if you needed to know any of that so just toss this in the trash if you want.

IMO, Momoko Tsugunaga does seem to be very poorly cited so maybe a {{BLP sources}} should be added. I'm still fairly new to Wikipedia so I'm not totally clear about using templates like that. Do you think that would be acceptable in this case? Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to tell you about that, since the sources are all in Japanese. I can't really evaluate them myself. I'd speculate that if she wants to preserve any privacy she might not want her fans to know too many details. Wbm1058 (talk) 02:23, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Understand. I was simply referring to the fact that none of the sources are being used to support any of her biographical information. They are just Amazon-like pages for DVD/book releases and chart positions. I'll post on the project page and see what they say. Thanks again. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a common problem, unfortunately. See {{Not in citation given}} which is a template you can use if the sources don't confirm the facts as claimed. Wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. - Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate template parameters

Your edits reverted my fix to remove duplicate parameters and these files will soon be placed in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. I'm not watching them, nor am I watching this page, so I leave it to you to fix the issues. --  Gadget850 talk 22:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Gadget850: Right, already taken care of. See Template talk:Non-free use rationale logo#Override fields. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

bot help
Thank you, user who knows the secret to winning the Race Against The Machine, for helpful bots and for cleaning up yourself ("removing WP:OVERLINK to an everyday word"), for redirects and templates such as {{Forms of energy}}, for detailed analysis and offering to serve as arbitrator: "Don't underestimate how far I'm willing to go to read the background", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:06, 19 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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