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Congratulations from WP:STiki!

The Gold STiki Barnstar of Merit
Congratulations, M.Bitton! You're receiving this barnstar of merit because you recently crossed the 25,000 classification threshold using STiki.

We thank you both for your contributions to Wikipedia at-large and your use of the tool.

We hope you continue your ascent up the leaderboard and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! West.andrew.g (talk) 14:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Hi, because of lack of time, i was not able to complete the article yesterday, thank you very much for taking the time to explain me how to use the Harv style and for completing (and correcting my mistakes) my edits at Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire. Cheers. ---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikaviani: Thanks! Glad I could help. M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
It’s always great to see more people fighting vandalism. Have a star! Jeb3Talk at me hereWhat I've Done 23:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jebcubed: Thank you so much for your encouragement. M.Bitton (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of coffee for you!

I see that you check recent edits for appropriateness. I clicked through to see a set of the reversions that you had made for rejected submissions, and I agreed with all of what I saw you had done. It seemed apparent to me through the decisions you made and the comments that you left that you were giving human attention to the decisions you made rather than over-relying on tools and automation. Thanks for that, and thanks especially for the notes you leave. You are doing good review. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bluerasberry: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
For your excellent job with creating the administrative maps of Albania! Ahmet Q. (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ahmet Q.: Thank you so much for your feedback. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For answering a lot of edit requests and helping to keep the backlog at bay. For a while, I was taking care of that on my own, and it feels nice to see someone else get to it first every now and then! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Actualcpscm: thank you very much for the encouragement and for tackling those time consuming edit requests that tend to be pushed to the back of the queue. Keep up the great work! Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for your incredible work on the Horn of Africa relief map :)

The Original Barnstar
Here's a barnstar for your incredible work on the Horn of Africa relief map! Really appreciate the effort you put into it :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Also, on a related note, I would love to do some more map work once I have more time in late summer. Do you have any good guides on how to get started on maps for Wikipedia? :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KluskaSlaska: Thank you so much for your feedback. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any good guides that would help you. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed in myself for not giving this to you sooner! You have been a great help creating maps for many articles, don't stop doing what you do! – Treetoes023 (talk) 22:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Treetoes023: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 12:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hindu-Arabic numeral

Please give your opinion on recent edits made by a user Jacoblus on the Talk page of Hindu-Arabic Numerals article- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system#Recent_edit_by_Jacobolus

Hu741f4 (talk) 12:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's talk

You seem to have taken issue with some of the things I've said (or haven't said) on Talk:Hindu–Arabic numeral system. I'm very sorry if I've offended you in any way. My only goal there is try to help make that article better, but I feel like the interaction between you and me has taken a turn for the worse. The discussion there—at least between you and me—has become stuck. What can I do to fix that? Best regards, Paul August 11:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Paul August: my only goal is also to help make the article better, but I can't do that when someone is persistently casting aspersions on me (this has been the case ever since I interacted with them months ago, and we're not talking about a small remark here and there which I tend to ignore). I wouldn't have said anything if you decided to stay out of it, but for you to ignore their barrage of aspersions (with me literally begging them to stop) and to pick on the smallest thing that I said doesn't make sense to me, especially given the fact that you did the same thing on Talk:Arabic_numerals.
How would you feel in you were in my position? M.Bitton (talk) 13:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm sorry that you feel that way. Let me apologize again if I've offended you. Please tell me what I can do to fix things. Paul August 14:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for saying that. What's done is done, I guess. M.Bitton (talk) 00:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. And I'm willing to discuss, and perhaps explain any of my actions you seem to be unhappy with. I have been trying hard, on that talk page, to facilitate a constructive discussion. The only way we can do that is if we treat each other respectfully, and refrain from personalizing disputes, something we haven't been doing. I know you have issues with jacobolus, and I would be willing to try to mediate if you would like. In particular—provided you sincerely believe it would be helpful—I am willing to answer the question you asked me on that talk page:
They have been persistently attacking me for months and you have never ever (not even once) said a thing to them. Care to explain why? M.Bitton (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
and share my opinions about the behavior of both of you. Paul August 01:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I asked the question on the talk page and insisted that it's answered there for a reason, but that didn't happen and now it's too late. To be honest, I have been trying really hard to forget about the whole thing, so the last thing I need is think about it, let alone discuss it. M.Bitton (talk) 01:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@M.Bitton I don't really know what you mean by "cast aspersions". Your use of that word does not at all align with my intentions, at least as I understand the definition of the word. If you would like to call out any specific comment of mine which you feel attacked your reputation or integrity, I am happy to explain myself in detail.
@Paul August To give a bit of context, I tried to make some edits at Arabic numerals, got into an edit war or two about what I felt were entirely uncontroversial edits, then made a proposal at the talk page which I thought was treated by M.Bitton and another editor in a substantially dismissive and disrespectful way, with lots of sarcastic exclamations, SHOUTING, and complaints I had trouble making sense of. So then I started looking at the history of the page and the talk page, where I noticed that there had been a persistent years-long pattern by the same 2–3 editors of removing from the article Arabic numerals any mention of India, any link to the obviously directly relevant sister articles Hindu–Arabic numeral system and History of the Hindu–Arabic numeral system, and more generally reversion of any effort at fleshing out the article's basic context. When others repeatedly objected to these edit wars, the responses seemed to me to be generally below the standard I would expect for long-time Wikipedia editors.
I felt like discussion directly on the talk page was going nowhere, so I made a post at the NPOV noticeboard, now archived at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard/Archive 107 § Editors standing guard to prevent Arabic numerals from even linking to Hindu–Arabic numeral system. Perhaps there's some better venue, or perhaps I could have phrased my complaint in a better way.
M.Bitton apparently felt that this was insulting, but I have never intended any personal insult, and my comments were and are intended as a straight-forward factual description of events, and I really hope we can all get along and maintain basic civility.
M.Bitton: I am sorry if anything I said was personally offensive to you. I didn't then, and still can't really figure out what your motives are. I remain mystified by your editing and discussion style, which seems extremely aggressive and often leaves me feeling disrespected. –jacobolus (t) 03:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Aside: to declare my own "political" goals, such as they are: I am a white person from California who grew up part time in Southern Mexico; my godparents are indigenous Maya peasants. My wife is Chinese. I have spent my life living in cosmopolitan cities and I have friends from all over the world, with a wide variety of religious backgrounds and political ideologies. I would like to see Wikipedia articles about mathematics and the history of mathematics neutrally and fairly represent the achievements and contributions of all cultures and mathematicians, to the best of current scholarly understanding. That includes Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, China, Ancient Greece, India, Persia, Golden-age Baghdad, Byzantium, Central Asia, Muslim Spain, Japan, France, Germany, England, Russia, the United States... I am dismayed when mathematics and history become politicized and apparently turn into ideological battles. I wish I could read sources in Sumerian, medieval Arabic, Neo Latin, Ancient Greek, German, or Indian languages, etc., but since I can't at the very least I try to read original sources in translation where I can, and try to find the best scholarly sources written by expert historians, comparing multiple sources and reading reviews to understand the available evidence as best I can and make sense of their points of agreement and disagreement.) –jacobolus (t) 03:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With that said though, I am happy to drop the subject if it is distressing to you. I'm not trying to cause you any harm. –jacobolus (t) 03:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification

Hey ! Hope you’re doing good, I wanted to ask you if it’s fine adding an Ottoman Turkish name in the infobox and lead of the Regency of Algiers article. Per WP:common, as this would make things less confusing to Arab readers and would showcase an ottoman affiliation of Algiers as an autonomous state. This would also avert Npovs from changing its Arabic name. Best. Nourerrahmane (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of all the names that are listed in the footnote, that's the least common and the least relevant. The one that was used by the locals and is consistently used in RS is certainly "al jazair" (I don't see how anyone would challenge that), so if we need to ignore the consensus of the previous discussions and change what's in the infobox, that would be my prime choice. I wouldn't worry about the passing disruptive IPs and socks who have nothing to say about the subject. M.Bitton (talk) 00:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright I thought we needed to include the word eyalet somehow…
btw you really think it’s not necessary to point out to Numidia and massinissa as clients ? A good number of sources do so, including this (also please check the notes below)[1] Nourerrahmane (talk) 07:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Dchicha has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 4 § Dchicha until a consensus is reached. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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