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:{{re|Treetoes023}} Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 12:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Treetoes023}} Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 12:01, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


== Hindu-Arabic numeral ==
== Barbary slave trade ==


Due to unrelated drama I won't bore you with, I found myself looking at the history of this article, and uuh, thanks. A whole lot of POV-pushing was going on. When I have fewer tabs open I will try to remember to come back and give you a barnstar.
Please give your opinion on recent edits made by a user Jacoblus on the Talk page of [[Hindu-Arabic Numerals]] article- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system#Recent_edit_by_Jacobolus


== Edit request ==
[[User:Hu741f4|Hu741f4]] ([[User talk:Hu741f4|talk]]) 12:42, 23 February 2024 (UTC)


In my edit request for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#Dense_inert_metal_explosives_(DIME). It was specifically the last two sentences in the section, I am referring to these two "After Israeli forces fired shells near a UN school in Gaza killing around 30 people, Israel's military said the shelling was in response to mortar fire from within the school and asserted that Hamas were using civilians as cover. They stated that the dead near the school included Hamas members of a rocket launching cell. Two residents of the area confirmed that a group of militants were firing mortar shells from near the school and identified two of the victims as Hamas militants." They have nothing to do with DIME and they have no source, also nothing in them seem to include anything about DIME. They just seem to be about a different situation, and have been misplaced. [[Special:Contributions/80.217.100.31|80.217.100.31]] ([[User talk:80.217.100.31|talk]]) 17:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
==Let's talk==
You seem to have taken issue with some of the things I've said (or haven't said) on [[Talk:Hindu–Arabic numeral system]]. I'm very sorry if I've offended you in any way. My only goal there is try to help make that article better, but I feel like the interaction between you and me has taken a turn for the worse. The discussion there—at least between you and me—has become stuck. What can I do to fix that? Best regards, [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 11:25, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


:start a new edit request, and this time, be more explicit (don't say "paragraph" when you mean a sentence). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 17:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{re|Paul August}} my only goal is also to help make the article better, but I can't do that when someone is persistently casting aspersions on me (this has been the case ever since I interacted with them months ago, and we're not talking about a small remark here and there which I tend to ignore). I wouldn't have said anything if you decided to stay out of it, but for you to ignore their barrage of aspersions (with me literally begging them to stop) and to pick on the smallest thing that I said doesn't make sense to me, especially given the fact that you did the same thing on [[Talk:Arabic_numerals#Hatnote_re_Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system|Talk:Arabic_numerals]].
:How would you feel in you were in my position? [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 13:43, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::Well I'm sorry that you feel that way. Let me apologize again if I've offended you. Please tell me what I can do to fix things. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 14:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you for saying that. What's done is done, I guess. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 00:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::::You're welcome. And I'm willing to discuss, and perhaps explain any of my actions you seem to be unhappy with. I have been trying hard, on that talk page, to facilitate a constructive discussion. The only way we can do that is if we treat each other respectfully, and refrain from personalizing disputes, something we haven't been doing. I know you have issues with {{u|jacobolus}}, and I would be willing to try to mediate if you would like. In particular—provided you sincerely believe it would be helpful—I am willing to answer the question you asked me on that talk page:
:::::{{tq|They have been persistently attacking me for months and you have never ever (not even once) said a thing to them. Care to explain why? M.Bitton (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)}}
::::and share my opinions about the behavior of both of you. [[User:Paul August|Paul August]] [[User_talk:Paul August|☎]] 01:20, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::I asked the question on the talk page and insisted that it's answered there for a reason, but that didn't happen and now it's too late. To be honest, I have been trying really hard to forget about the whole thing, so the last thing I need is think about it, let alone discuss it. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 01:36, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] I don't really know what you mean by "cast aspersions". Your use of that word does not at all align with my intentions, at least as I understand the definition of the word. If you would like to call out any specific comment of mine which you feel attacked your reputation or integrity, I am happy to explain myself in detail.
::::::@[[User:Paul August|Paul August]] To give a bit of context, I tried to make some edits at [[Arabic numerals]], got into an edit war or two about what I felt were entirely uncontroversial edits, then made a proposal at the talk page which I thought was treated by M.Bitton and another editor in a substantially dismissive and disrespectful way, with lots of sarcastic exclamations, SHOUTING, and complaints I had trouble making sense of. So then I started looking at the history of the page and the talk page, where I noticed that there had been a persistent years-long pattern by the same 2–3 editors of removing from the article [[Arabic numerals]] any mention of India, any link to the obviously directly relevant sister articles [[Hindu–Arabic numeral system]] and [[History of the Hindu–Arabic numeral system]], and more generally reversion of any effort at fleshing out the article's basic context. When others repeatedly objected to these edit wars, the responses seemed to me to be generally below the standard I would expect for long-time Wikipedia editors.
::::::I felt like discussion directly on the talk page was going nowhere, so I made a post at the NPOV noticeboard, now archived at {{slink|Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard/Archive_107#Editors_standing_guard_to_prevent_Arabic_numerals_from_even_linking_to_Hindu–Arabic_numeral_system}}. Perhaps there's some better venue, or perhaps I could have phrased my complaint in a better way.
::::::M.Bitton apparently felt that this was insulting, but I have never intended any personal insult, and my comments were and are intended as a straight-forward factual description of events, and I really hope we can all get along and maintain basic civility.
::::::M.Bitton: I am sorry if anything I said was personally offensive to you. I didn't then, and still can't really figure out what your motives are. I remain mystified by your editing and discussion style, which seems extremely aggressive and often leaves me feeling disrespected. –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: (Aside: to declare my own "political" goals, such as they are: I am a white person from California who grew up part time in Southern Mexico; my godparents are indigenous Maya peasants. My wife is Chinese. I have spent my life living in cosmopolitan cities and I have friends from all over the world, with a wide variety of religious backgrounds and political ideologies. I would like to see Wikipedia articles about mathematics and the history of mathematics neutrally and fairly represent the achievements and contributions of all cultures and mathematicians, to the best of current scholarly understanding. That includes Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, China, Ancient Greece, India, Persia, Golden-age Baghdad, Byzantium, Central Asia, Muslim Spain, Japan, France, Germany, England, Russia, the United States... I am dismayed when mathematics and history become politicized and apparently turn into ideological battles. I wish I could read sources in Sumerian, medieval Arabic, Neo Latin, Ancient Greek, German, or Indian languages, etc., but since I can't at the very least I try to read original sources in translation where I can, and try to find the best scholarly sources written by expert historians, comparing multiple sources and reading reviews to understand the available evidence as best I can and make sense of their points of agreement and disagreement.) –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
:::::: With that said though, I am happy to drop the subject if it is distressing to you. I'm not trying to cause you any harm. –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 03:21, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


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:{{re|Wiiformii}} Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 23:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)


== [[Libyan genocide]] ==
Hey ! Hope you’re doing good, I wanted to ask you if it’s fine adding an Ottoman Turkish name in the infobox and lead of the Regency of Algiers article. Per WP:common, as this would make things less confusing to Arab readers and would showcase an ottoman affiliation of Algiers as an autonomous state. This would also avert Npovs from changing its Arabic name. Best. [[User:Nourerrahmane|Nourerrahmane]] ([[User talk:Nourerrahmane|talk]]) 08:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
:Of all the names that are listed in the footnote, that's the least common and the least relevant. The one that was used by the locals and is consistently used in RS is certainly "al jazair" (I don't see how anyone would challenge that), so if we need to ignore the consensus of the previous discussions and change what's in the infobox, that would be my prime choice. I wouldn't worry about the passing disruptive IPs and socks who have nothing to say about the subject. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 00:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
::Alright I thought we needed to include the word eyalet somehow…
::btw you really think it’s not necessary to point out to Numidia and massinissa as clients ? A good number of sources do so, including this (also please check the notes below)[https://books.google.dz/books?id=1eaBAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA14&dq=Massinissa+client+king&hl=fr&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidhKP9hNCEAxXMhf0HHXz0BCQQuwV6BAgKEAc] [[User:Nourerrahmane|Nourerrahmane]] ([[User talk:Nourerrahmane|talk]]) 07:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, thanks for reverting the speedy deletion notice. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate, so thank you for clarifying. Should I use the [[Template:Copyvio]] to hide the offending passages instead? [[User:Meluiel|Meluiel]] ([[User talk:Meluiel|talk]]) 20:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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:If you're sure that a specific section is copyvio, then you might as well remove it. For other scenarios, you have a range of options ([[Template:Copyright violation|tagging]], etc.). Obviously, there is also the option paraphrasing it yourself if you have access to the source, though that's entirely up to you. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 23:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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::Okay, thanks for the advice, I'll do that now. And what about copyvio content in the page history? That's still a problem, right? [[User:Meluiel|Meluiel]] ([[User talk:Meluiel|talk]]) 11:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
:::(friendly page stalker) depending on how bad or extensive it is, yes, usually. Diannaa or another admin should be glad to help with that; Wikipedia is pretty serious about copyvio. Fix the article before you contact them, though, or they will put up an notice that makes it really hard to see the problematic content and therefor very hard to fix. Usually when this has arisen -- it comes up in translations from other projects -- I have had to rewrite from scratch [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 21:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
::::Right, yeah, it's a pain. The copyright infringing content has existed since the first version of the article, which (from what I understand of the various copyright processes) means likely having to recreate the article. I've just deleted the content from the page for now. If you're interested, you can see the actual report here: [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2024 June 14]] [[User:Meluiel|Meluiel]] ([[User talk:Meluiel|talk]]) 23:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::Recreating the article is only warranted if all of it was copyvio. This isn't the case. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 11:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


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Could you cast an eye over [[Morocco in World War II]]. No rush, no current edit war. I just came across it and it struck me as somewhat oversimplified somehow. Maybe in the unsaid implication that of course Jews were always discriminated against, which I don't think is historically true is it? As far as I can tell nothing it actually says at this point is really wrong, though. I did a driveby copy-edit, mostly for lower case, and corrected the usual conflation of the Free French with De Gaulle. I might come back to it at some point but I am still trying to get [[Regency of Algiers]] out of my hair. If you don't have time for this or are not better-better informed about this than I am, which is the underlying assumption of this request, then feel free to refer the question or ignore it altogether. Thanks [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 01:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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:{{re|Elinruby}} I can't see where it says that they were always discriminated against. While it's true that they lived in designated enclosed quarters, their economical condition wasn't that much different from the Muslims. The other issue that I see is the word "Mellah" which is currently linked to the definition and not the [[Mellah]] article (I will ping {{u|R Prazeres}} since they contributed a fair bit to it). [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 14:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll have a look when I can. M.Bitton is right. If I understand correctly, they may not all have been living in mellahs either (though certainly all the major cities had one), but I'd have to check that. The situation would have certainly changed after the advent of French rule in 1912 too. I fixed the link in the meantime. [[User:R Prazeres|R Prazeres]] ([[User talk:R Prazeres|talk]]) 16:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|R Prazeres}} I probably should have looked at the article history. I did not realize R Prazeres was involved or I would have known there was some research involved. If something gets improved as a result of the query though, I guess all is well that ends well. Here is my thinking for whatever it may be worth. I glancingly touched on this when I was working on [[Collaboration with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy]] and wound up deleting any mention of it there, because it wasn't really clear that there was collaboration ''per se'' -- although this is a fraught question when it comes to leaders of countries that were under Nazi/Vichy control, I incline to the view that at least some of those people were just trying to keep the power plants working -- and that if there was, the article was already long enough to need a split and there were far better examples. Apart from that, the very little I know about Moroccan history comes from working on [[Regency of Algiers]] and given the age-old animosities there, requires a grain of salt, but I was under the impression that Jews were welcomed and even more prevalent in Morocco than Algiers. Possibly I conflated with Moriscos. In any event I think my fundamental question is whether ''mellah'' were another incarnation of the ghettos where Jews were immured in Warsaw or Amsterdam under the Nazis, or historically segregated but relatively free neighborhoods. I realize the answer may not be binary but that was my concern. As for the remark about the Free French, very little editing was required to make the sentence acceptable in my view, but bottom line, the Resistance was fairly organic and decentralized, but De Gaulle, having proclaimed himself the government in exile, made a handy figurehead after the Allied invaded. I blame Hollywood; everyone makes that mistake. PS R Prazeres, I pinged you and M.Bitton to the Mohammed page, where there is a dispute about sources; your ping failed though, because I put in a period. I mention this in case you are interested, but the person trying to use a US Army historian as a source has taken this to an Arbcom request, and a boomerang may resolve the whole thing without further intervention or comment. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 21:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

== ping ==

Thanks for the second look. I don't think it is the COMMONNAME but I only pinged you because you had already been there. Probably not a good idea to get embroiled too deeply in the article, as some serious PoV is getting pushed. Unless you want to, of course. It's just that having pinged you on that one issue I feel the need to warn you that it is ugly over there and about to go full "what is a genocide". Do with the information what you will. [[User:Elinruby|Elinruby]] ([[User talk:Elinruby|talk]]) 18:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:I replied there. It's up to the community to decide what the common name is, I have no strong opinion on the issue and no intention of getting involved in that discussion. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton#top|talk]]) 18:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, because of lack of time, i was not able to complete the article yesterday, thank you very much for taking the time to explain me how to use the Harv style and for completing (and correcting my mistakes) my edits at Medo-Babylonian conquest of the Assyrian Empire. Cheers. ---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikaviani: Thanks! Glad I could help. M.Bitton (talk) 23:47, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Jebcubed: Thank you so much for your encouragement. M.Bitton (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I see that you check recent edits for appropriateness. I clicked through to see a set of the reversions that you had made for rejected submissions, and I agreed with all of what I saw you had done. It seemed apparent to me through the decisions you made and the comments that you left that you were giving human attention to the decisions you made rather than over-relying on tools and automation. Thanks for that, and thanks especially for the notes you leave. You are doing good review. Blue Rasberry (talk) 01:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bluerasberry: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ahmet Q.: Thank you so much for your feedback. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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For answering a lot of edit requests and helping to keep the backlog at bay. For a while, I was taking care of that on my own, and it feels nice to see someone else get to it first every now and then! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Actualcpscm: thank you very much for the encouragement and for tackling those time consuming edit requests that tend to be pushed to the back of the queue. Keep up the great work! Best, M.Bitton (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Here's a barnstar for your incredible work on the Horn of Africa relief map! Really appreciate the effort you put into it :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Also, on a related note, I would love to do some more map work once I have more time in late summer. Do you have any good guides on how to get started on maps for Wikipedia? :) KluskaSlaska (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@KluskaSlaska: Thank you so much for your feedback. Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any good guides that would help you. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 14:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Barbary slave trade

Due to unrelated drama I won't bore you with, I found myself looking at the history of this article, and uuh, thanks. A whole lot of POV-pushing was going on. When I have fewer tabs open I will try to remember to come back and give you a barnstar.

Edit request

In my edit request for https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes#Dense_inert_metal_explosives_(DIME). It was specifically the last two sentences in the section, I am referring to these two "After Israeli forces fired shells near a UN school in Gaza killing around 30 people, Israel's military said the shelling was in response to mortar fire from within the school and asserted that Hamas were using civilians as cover. They stated that the dead near the school included Hamas members of a rocket launching cell. Two residents of the area confirmed that a group of militants were firing mortar shells from near the school and identified two of the victims as Hamas militants." They have nothing to do with DIME and they have no source, also nothing in them seem to include anything about DIME. They just seem to be about a different situation, and have been misplaced. 80.217.100.31 (talk) 17:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

start a new edit request, and this time, be more explicit (don't say "paragraph" when you mean a sentence). M.Bitton (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Wiiformii: Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 23:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for reverting the speedy deletion notice. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate, so thank you for clarifying. Should I use the Template:Copyvio to hide the offending passages instead? Meluiel (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're sure that a specific section is copyvio, then you might as well remove it. For other scenarios, you have a range of options (tagging, etc.). Obviously, there is also the option paraphrasing it yourself if you have access to the source, though that's entirely up to you. M.Bitton (talk) 23:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for the advice, I'll do that now. And what about copyvio content in the page history? That's still a problem, right? Meluiel (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(friendly page stalker) depending on how bad or extensive it is, yes, usually. Diannaa or another admin should be glad to help with that; Wikipedia is pretty serious about copyvio. Fix the article before you contact them, though, or they will put up an notice that makes it really hard to see the problematic content and therefor very hard to fix. Usually when this has arisen -- it comes up in translations from other projects -- I have had to rewrite from scratch Elinruby (talk) 21:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, yeah, it's a pain. The copyright infringing content has existed since the first version of the article, which (from what I understand of the various copyright processes) means likely having to recreate the article. I've just deleted the content from the page for now. If you're interested, you can see the actual report here: Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2024 June 14 Meluiel (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recreating the article is only warranted if all of it was copyvio. This isn't the case. M.Bitton (talk) 11:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a little time

Could you cast an eye over Morocco in World War II. No rush, no current edit war. I just came across it and it struck me as somewhat oversimplified somehow. Maybe in the unsaid implication that of course Jews were always discriminated against, which I don't think is historically true is it? As far as I can tell nothing it actually says at this point is really wrong, though. I did a driveby copy-edit, mostly for lower case, and corrected the usual conflation of the Free French with De Gaulle. I might come back to it at some point but I am still trying to get Regency of Algiers out of my hair. If you don't have time for this or are not better-better informed about this than I am, which is the underlying assumption of this request, then feel free to refer the question or ignore it altogether. Thanks Elinruby (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elinruby: I can't see where it says that they were always discriminated against. While it's true that they lived in designated enclosed quarters, their economical condition wasn't that much different from the Muslims. The other issue that I see is the word "Mellah" which is currently linked to the definition and not the Mellah article (I will ping R Prazeres since they contributed a fair bit to it). M.Bitton (talk) 14:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'll have a look when I can. M.Bitton is right. If I understand correctly, they may not all have been living in mellahs either (though certainly all the major cities had one), but I'd have to check that. The situation would have certainly changed after the advent of French rule in 1912 too. I fixed the link in the meantime. R Prazeres (talk) 16:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@R Prazeres: I probably should have looked at the article history. I did not realize R Prazeres was involved or I would have known there was some research involved. If something gets improved as a result of the query though, I guess all is well that ends well. Here is my thinking for whatever it may be worth. I glancingly touched on this when I was working on Collaboration with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy and wound up deleting any mention of it there, because it wasn't really clear that there was collaboration per se -- although this is a fraught question when it comes to leaders of countries that were under Nazi/Vichy control, I incline to the view that at least some of those people were just trying to keep the power plants working -- and that if there was, the article was already long enough to need a split and there were far better examples. Apart from that, the very little I know about Moroccan history comes from working on Regency of Algiers and given the age-old animosities there, requires a grain of salt, but I was under the impression that Jews were welcomed and even more prevalent in Morocco than Algiers. Possibly I conflated with Moriscos. In any event I think my fundamental question is whether mellah were another incarnation of the ghettos where Jews were immured in Warsaw or Amsterdam under the Nazis, or historically segregated but relatively free neighborhoods. I realize the answer may not be binary but that was my concern. As for the remark about the Free French, very little editing was required to make the sentence acceptable in my view, but bottom line, the Resistance was fairly organic and decentralized, but De Gaulle, having proclaimed himself the government in exile, made a handy figurehead after the Allied invaded. I blame Hollywood; everyone makes that mistake. PS R Prazeres, I pinged you and M.Bitton to the Mohammed page, where there is a dispute about sources; your ping failed though, because I put in a period. I mention this in case you are interested, but the person trying to use a US Army historian as a source has taken this to an Arbcom request, and a boomerang may resolve the whole thing without further intervention or comment. Elinruby (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the second look. I don't think it is the COMMONNAME but I only pinged you because you had already been there. Probably not a good idea to get embroiled too deeply in the article, as some serious PoV is getting pushed. Unless you want to, of course. It's just that having pinged you on that one issue I feel the need to warn you that it is ugly over there and about to go full "what is a genocide". Do with the information what you will. Elinruby (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I replied there. It's up to the community to decide what the common name is, I have no strong opinion on the issue and no intention of getting involved in that discussion. M.Bitton (talk) 18:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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