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My name is "Shipwreck" - I made several edits and you keep undoing them. I am the ADMIN of the FN Forum. We linked our forum as a reference to several of the FN weapon summaries. We have been on there numerous times, but keep getting removed. We are a forum sponsored by FN themselves, and FN participates on our forum.

Stop removing my edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistershipwreck (talk • contribs) 02:55, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had no otherw ay to respond - so I put this here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistershipwreck (talk • contribs) 02:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No linking to discussion forums. Simple. Koalorka (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have staff at FN who participate at our forum and are an officially sponsored forum. They also do announcements on our site and do official Q&A sessions. When people look for info on the FS2000, PS90, Five Seven, etc - our site is a good resource. I believe it is a worthwhile link. --Mistershipwreck (talk) 03:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, but policy dictates no linking to forums. Koalorka (talk) 03:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you reference that rule for me. Where can I find the do's and do-nots? I'm not trying to cause problems - I'm an admin myself, and dislike problems created for me. I'm just trying to understand all the rules here. Thank you.--Mistershipwreck (talk) 03:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know exactly where it is located, but it's in effect and all hotlinks to discussion forums were purged. Koalorka (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to butt in, but Koalorka is referring to Wikipedia:External links, specifically WP:ELNO.--LWF (talk) 16:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Always welcome LWF. Koalorka (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what kind of a pleasure you get in daily reverting "Eurasia" to "Asia" in the Turkey article. Israel is an "Asian" country, but Russia and Turkey are not simply "Asian" because most of their landmass is in the hypothetical continent of Asia (Eurasia is the "factual" continent). They both have territories in Europe, including their largest cities. 151.38.182.17 02:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey is an Asian country. Calling Turkey Eurasian is analogous to saying Spain is an Eurafrican country because of its TINY enclaves on the North African coast. Turkey is socially, culturally and ethnically very distant from Europe, we have nothing in common. Koalorka 15:12, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One thing is sure, we have nothing in common with YOU and your alikes.

Yes, you want it or not Spain is an Eurafrican country, but it has not got any serious economic or cultural center on Africa, as opposed to Turkey, who does on Europe.

Have nice dreams! --Eae1983 (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you chose an image of a Sako TRG with optional folding stock as info box illustration. Be advised the optional folding stock is rarely seen on TRG rifles, when compared to standard stocks. The rather stiff additional cost of kitting out a Sako TRG with the folding stock might be a reason for the rarity of thus kitted out TRG rifles. I feel a picture of a TRG with a standard stock and amongst military users popular Sako 3-ring scope mounting gives a more representative image of a typically kitted out TRG rifle system. Something that does not belong into the Wikipedia article on the TRG (it occurs rarely and not during normal use), is the fact that some users managed to brake their current model standard butt stock in the pistol grip area during rough handling/drop accidents.--Francis Flinch (talk) 12:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I selected the image mainly because it was a clean profile shot on a white background. I'm trying to set this up as an aesthetic standard. Koalorka (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can get a clean profile image to your liking of an 8.6 TKIV 2000 (the TRG-42 as used by Finland with a FDF custom ordered Zeiss scope on top) from the FDF website. This image was originally used in the info box, but removed from Wikipedia for copyright reasons. Wikicommons states such governmental work is now free of copyright in Finland (it is referred to as Finnish copyright legislation of 2005) and can be tagged accordingly. I will upload that image to Wikicommons and change the images in the TRG article accordingly.--Francis Flinch (talk) 13:53, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That would be great! The FDF site contains some pretty good (albeit small) images of several unique firearms. Let me know when you have done this for the TRG and I will re-use your license template/infobox information for any remaining images that we may use. Koalorka (talk) 14:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The license template/infobox information I just happend to find.--Francis Flinch (talk) 14:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, that should prove useful. Koalorka (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been informed that the images shown on the FDF website do not qualify for PD FinGov. A Finnish Wikipedian who tagged them for deletion provided arguments for that (Finnish law interprets the scope governmental works very strict). The Wikicommons PD FinGov tag has been changed to reduce the amount of good faith errors. I changed the few challenged pictures I uploaded to the attribution-license tag and for good measure copied the copyright notice from the FDF website to the letter. There might be people who will try to challenge that approach. Projecting non Finnish law on actual Finnish law will probably be the method employed, but the Finnish Wikipedian I corresponded with, and seems to know a lot more regarding Finnish law and how it is applied in practice in that jurisdiction than I, wrote the FDF has never expressed any objections with the usage of correctly attributed images.--Francis Flinch (talk) 17:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see you used the "Undo" feature to revert an entry to FN Minimi with no explanation as to why. Checking the history and talk page of that article I see a clear trend regarding your dominance of that page and would like to remind you that no one owns an article and that discussion and consensus are needed. Please consider this your first warning on this issue. Happy editing. — Ocatecir^T 02:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I did give an explanation. The edit destroys the layout of the page. Koalorka (talk) 14:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply -- as for the HK images under fair-use, we have to justify why we need them. If there are already free images available then we can't really use them. I still recommend sending WikiCommons an email for permission to use the FN images; you have more than enough evidence to use them. I don't think I would have any more luck than you would as long as you send an email. Thanks, Hayden120 (talk) 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Your removal of Turkic peoples from this article was unexplained. If you have supporting arguments/sources, please supply them on the talk page of the article. Please do not characterize my reversion of your unjustified blanking as vandalism; please do not say I am adding material, when you are removing material that has been accepted by consensus for months since User:Dbachmann's creation of this page. It is a meaningless use of the phrase. Some WP editors might even describe your removal of Turkic peoples as vandalism, since your edit summary was unhelpful ("This is not a demography article but european ethnic groups"). Please be more careful in future. Blanking of this sort can often hide some kind of agenda if not properly explained in discussion. Since you are not using the discussion page and have started edit warring (by removing data agreed by consensus without justification), you are making it hard to assume good faith. (This user box doesn't help either. [1]) Mathsci (talk) 04:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've analyzed the discussion page and most contributors seem to agree uniformly that Turkic people are not indigenous to Europe, so I do not know what consensus you are referring to. And since this is an article about native Europeans, it is only logical if alien groups who's recent ancestry can be traced to the steppes of Central Asia and Anatolia are removed. Koalorka (talk) 04:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please be aware that edit wars are a completely ineffective way of enforcing a change to an article. Better is to work out what the consensus is, on the talkpage. Also, I must insist that all accusations of "vandalism" cease. Wikipedia has clear definitions of what vandalism is and isn't (see WP:VANDAL). The term is reserved for blatant situations, such as blanking a page or inserting profanity. Other types of disagreement are classed as "content disputes", so should not be referred to as vandalism, as it is uncivil. --Elonka 04:53, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I consider injecting incorrect and false content into articles vandalism, since it is intended to mislead the reader and compromise the credibility of this encyclopedia. My experience also tells me that edit warring is rather unpractical, but if someone is driven by an agenda, I can be just as stubborn. Care to respond why you want to force a foreign Asian group of people under the European banner? What is your motivation? Koalorka (talk) 04:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no opinion on whether the Turkic people should or shouldn't be included on the page, but the accusations and edit-warring must stop. My own motivation is simply to decrease disruption. --Elonka 05:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You removed the group title and first line of the twelve lines in the article on Turkic peoples. For reasons best known to yourself, you left 10 other European ethnic groups that fall under the heading Turkic peoples. As a result of your edit, these groups appeared under a different and unrelated heading, rendering the article unreadable, misleading and inconsistent. Your edit was ill-considered and unjustified, since by your "reasoning" the other 10 groups should also have been removed. Please keep your private anti-Turkish sentiments, expressed quite unambiguously in the self-made user box on your user page, off other articles on this encyclopedia, where they have no place. Mathsci (talk) 06:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your very disturbing use of the phrase "foreign asian group" seems to show no understanding of the physiogeographic concept of transcontinental country or of the fact that part of Turkey lies in the continent of Europe. There seems to be no ambiguity about that on WP. Please deal with these issues privately elsewhere. Mathsci (talk) 06:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule. Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. Elonka 04:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

Your recent edit summary seems to contradict your edit: [2]. Could you take a look again? Thanks. --Rifleman 82 (talk) 14:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, you guys even got me confused. It is definitely an open bolt. Koalorka (talk) 14:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your apparent frustration, but it's generally not effective to just counter a personal attack with another attack or incivility. It is a good idea to address concerns directly on someone's talkpage, but this comment[3] would have been stronger if you could have avoided such words as "pathetic", and "sleazy". The last sentence could probably be strengthened or removed as well. --Elonka 15:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will remove it, you are correct, thanks for the reasonable arbitration. Koalorka (talk) 15:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for understanding.  :) Also, just a request, but your talkpage is currently over 150K, and some browsers start having difficulty with anything over 32K. Would you be willing to consider archiving some of the older threads? Or if you want, I could set up an archiving bot which would automatically take care of things for you? --Elonka 15:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It did grow rather large. If you could do that for me, I would certainly appreciate it. Koalorka (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done.  :) It'll start up within 24 hours or so, and automatically archive any threads which have had no activity for 30 days. Feel free to tweak it to a different delay, or let me know if you'd like any changes. :) --Elonka 16:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought I'd shoot you a "heads up" that you are being personally attacked by a user you're familiar with on a third party's talk page here: [4]. I saw your name taken in vain. Looks like your typical Ad hominem but I didn't know if you were aware of this particular one. Thanks. --'''I am Asamuel''' (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

<Personal attack redacted>. Thanks for the heads up, luckily, irrational poeple self-destruct sooner or later. Koalorka (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Koalorka, incivility is not helping your case.  :/ Save that language for off-wiki, eh? Right now you're a hair's breadth away from going on ArbCom restrictions, and if at all possible, I'd rather avoid that. Thanks, --Elonka 20:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your concern but you have no right to muzzle people for presenting an alternative view. Koalorka (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I love alternative views.  :) What I dislike, is when people present such views in an uncivil manner, or without sources to back them up. But as long as you have good sources, and stay polite, you have pretty much free rein.  :) --Elonka 21:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then source I shall. Koalorka (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The comment "another butthurt Marxist foaming at the mouth when confronted with a world view that contradicts their own" goes beyond the bounds of acceptability. I am sure you will understand that it comes across as a "hateful and highly prejudiced" remark. You will be reported on WP:AN/I for the 180 non-weapon related edits you have made on WP, detailed on User:Mathsci/subpage, which gives overwhelming evidence that you have a long track record of attacking editors, countering your obsessive extreme anti-Turkish POV-pushing, with unacceptable incivility and racial attacks. Mathsci (talk) 07:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It appears my observations are valid. Your perception of the world is so skewed, I can't even begin to help you. Koalorka (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Although the image was licensed under {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}, the source website stated "Any coping of the information from this site, without author's consent and reference thereto, is prohibited. All Rights Reserved Copyright ©1999-2008". Without any proof of the author's consent to a free license release, it was impossible to verify copyright status and the image fell under a speedy deletion criteria. If you have permission from Izhmash to release this photograph under a free license, please forward it to permissions-en@wikimedia.org or follow the instructions at commons:OTRS. An OTRS volunteer will be able to officially verify the free license release and the image will be undeleted. Thanks, ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 21:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was an email exchange linked to the permission on the image page. Was that omitted? Koalorka (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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