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The article Ecclesia Athletic Association you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ecclesia Athletic Association for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The idiocy -- The idiocy (talk) 01:41, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats, bk! Killiondude (talk) 16:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Killiondude, thanks! I appreciate your copyediting when that article first went live. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Barkeep49, Good day. One of my trainees - see here has just graduated from NPPSCHOOL. They have autopatroll right but I dont think they have applied for NPP reviewer right yet. The editor has done a truly impressive work and I highly recommend that they be granted NPP reviewer right if they editor has decided to apply it. Hope you are well and stay safe. Best. Cassiopeia^(talk) 12:33, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CASSIOPEIA, excellent! Less Unless would you like me to do a 3 month grant of NPR? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CASSIOPEIA thank you for your recommendation! Barkeep49 - Sorry for the delay, I was away for a week. I will gladly accept your offer as I wanted to apply for the rights after the exam completion. Best, Less Unless (talk) 08:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49 I have left an official request here. Best, Less Unless (talk) 14:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Less Unless, and I've granted it. Thanks for your interest in NPP. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I noticed your name on the NPP school page (I've been studying a bit to maybe eventually apply to NPP or the school) and today started looking into identifying copyright violations. I've been looking at Earwig's Copyvio Detector and running it on some pages and came up with this result on one page > [1]. I wasn't sure what to think due to inexperience and since this is a featured and popular article I wanted to ask someone with experience what they thought before whacking a possible hornet's nest. I know you are busy and thank you for any time and feedback you can provide.   // Timothy :: talk  08:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TimothyBlue, hi there. You're right to be skeptical. If you click through to the museum's page you will see that they took the content from us not the other way around. They do credit Wikipedia so it's broadly in compliance with our license. Reverse copyright is a real thing to pay attention to. Much less common, but a thought I had because it's a museum, is that someone releases the copyright to us. This will normally be referenced on the talk page. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 12:32, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your guidance. There is a good deal of information and nuance to absorb, I hope you won't mind me dropping by and asking the occasional question. Hope this finds you well.   // Timothy :: talk  17:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for extended-confirming the redirect to prevent throwaway accounts from sneaking an article in past review. However, maybe I should explain why I came to WP:ANI. I wasn't primarily asking about COI. I was complaining that the removal of the record of the review was a form of deliberate gaming of the system. I didn't ask about that because the response would have almost certainly been an apology with a statement that they didn't know that they shouldn't do that, and the template says right there not to remove it. I wasn't primarily complaining about COI, but about two forms of disruption, the stripping of the record, and the effort to confuse with variant romanizations. Just explaining. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert McClenon, thanks for that extra clarification and explanation. You did note that at the time but I clearly didn't put enough emphasis on that when reading it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Help here here, I can’t move it back, it is a technical move,it is a 6 year old article, it should not be moved to draft? Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 18:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Megan, I have done the r2 deletion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:56, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, Shit, it was a wrong call, I actually thought the article was written in 2014 from the tags. Seems like the author made a cut and paste move from here here. Sorry for the disturbance caused. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 19:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Megan, I'm not quite following. The page you linked to is in draftspace and was a page move made by Fisha Malik. Draft:HM College of Science and Technology had been in mainspace. After the move a cross-space redirect was left behind which is eligible for speedy deletion under r2. I'm not sure where the copy and paste move stuff comes into play. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, this confused me.The maintenance tags added to the confusion ( being that they are dated November 2014). That’s where I got the copy and paste, maybe the article was deleted and the author copied it and recreated, though not sure. Hope you understand now. Earlier I thought Malik was moving a 6 year old article to draft space ( which is not appropriate) and I wanted to move back and advice him to tag for Afd, though it was impossible since the title in mainspace wasn’t deleted yet,so it technically impossible for me (that’s why I contacted you to make the move for me), but the matter is solved now, seems like it was just a copy and paste move from a deleted article I think. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 20:13, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This is to inform you that I have opened a dispute resolution concerning the Kamala Harris Talk page "Attendance" item. You have made comments to Wikipedia editors about this issue. I believe that the "2019" section of the article should reflect the well-documented fact that Senator Harris missed 62 percent of Senate votes in 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris Jab73 (talk) 08:00, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jab73, thanks for using a dispute resolution mechanism. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Barkeep49,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Paradoxsociety 08:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Barkeep49 - in addition to my above invitation (congrats on 15 years!) - I just noticed on your user page your eventual goal of getting Wrigley Field to GA status. I'm not sure when you plan to work on this but as a former Chicagoan I'd love to help out. Let me know if there's anything specific I can do here. Cheers! Paradoxsociety 08:49, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paradoxsociety, I have not really been here 15 years. The most generous reading is that I've been here 7 years and I think the more accurate reading is that I've been here 3.25 years if we just count months where I had 10 or more edits. As for Wrigley Field, I'll keep that in mind. Unlike most GAs I work on where there are a few good sources and it's just about using them wisely, for Wrigley Field there are just so many good sources - including whole books - that the sheer scope of it is what keeps me from diving in. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, that's fair. I felt odd joining the group myself and have even less of a consistent activity record, but in any case, membership in the society doesn't really count for much anyway. Regarding Wrigley that's definitely true. I may try to take a first pass soon but I have never intentionally participated in GA development so I'll have to read up on the "right" way to do it first. Cheers, Paradoxsociety 16:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paradoxsociety, that's great. I haven't looked at it for a while but I'm sure you'll be able to help it. Feel free to ping me or leave a message here after you've done some work and I'll be happy to give it a read and some thoughts. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:15, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for replying to my message to TimothyBlue regarding links that appear automatically in a box in the upper right corner of deletion discussions. Although the essay "Help, my article was nominated for deletion" may not be pro-Keep, despite the title, it is an essay nevertheless, an opinion piece, and we shouldn't link to an opinion essay automatically whenever a deletion discussion takes place. That's regardless of whether one is pro Keep or Pro Delete, which itself is a foolish way of looking at articles, as though one were choosing a football team. Of all places, deletion discussions should be free of opinions, feelings, and desires. The sensible approach is to understand that some articles need to be deleted, some deserve to be kept, and that the criteria for determining is the rules of Wikipedia, not whether the subject is important, and certainly not whether the "creator" of articles has done a lot of work and has strong feelings about the subject. The very thing we are supposed to do here in creating a reference book about facts is to distance ourselves from our strong feelings, opinions, and biases and try hard to practice impartial judgment. If you look at my User Page, you will see I am one of v. few people without a long list titled "My work" or "My articles". That's because I'm following the criteria I just wrote about. Nothing here is mine. Being "the creator" of an article isn't worthy of a trophy room. All articles on Wikipedia are collaborations. Or at least they are supposed to be. If any one person is writing most or all of any article, I would tell that person to stop. The more work one does on a single article, the more a feeling of ownership creeps in. But there is no private property on Wikipedia. However much it grates against our nature or impulses or desires, the property here is collectivity. Wikipedia is collective effort. To say "mine" in any context here is to contradict the purposes and methods of the entire project. Do you know who put this link into deletion discussions or who I could talk to about this subject?
Vmavanti (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Hi Vmavanti, just to reflect your thoughts, when you ask "Do you know who put this link into deletion discussions or who I could talk to about this subject?", because no one owns anything really there is no person to talk to about an essay/guideline/policy or how its used/interpreted, but rather the community. Perhaps the best place to discuss your concerns is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion. This isn't intended short circuit anything Barkeep would add here, but just my suggestion. Best wishes.   // Timothy :: talk  14:29, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vmavanti, you could go to WT:AFD. You could also go to Template:AFD Help which is where the data for that box lives. You could see its history and could have a discussion on the talk page - just like no one owns an article, there is not a person you could talk to. As for the broader point about people, like myself, who list their accomplishments I don't think having pride in creation is incompatible with collaborative editing. I could talk a lot more about that, but that's really not why you're here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both for your serious answers. The content of the essay is secondary. Primary is my conviction, which I believe to be consistent with the rules, is that we shouldn't have a link to an essay at every AfD. Essays are opinions, and you know what they say about opinions. Links to documentation and policy are OK, but not essays. Many times I have seen people treat essays as though they were policy, esp in AfDs, and this only makes it worse.
Vmavanti (talk) 00:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Many times I have seen people treat essays as though they were policy, esp in AfDs, and this only makes it worse." I think this is a very valid point and one I'd agree with. I've seen this used to contradict WP:N or WP:SNG when the WP:!VOTE is Keep, which I think speaks to your point about Keep bias. Sometimes this does impact closes and editors feel the need to spend time rebutting an essay and defending a guideline, both of which bother me. Even worse, I've seen this used to pile on votes from like-minded voters which reinforces the mistaken belief that responses are a vote and not an WP:!VOTE. Perhaps approach this question on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion as something like "How should essays properly be used with guidelines to evaluation notability in AfD discussions?" This way the primary point you wish discussed is the focus instead of a particular essay. The placement of the link can be discussed afterward. Thanks for clarifying. Best wishes.   // Timothy :: talk  02:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Did anything ever come out of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive322#Mid-September RfA Flight?

Ping JzG, Joel B. Lewis, Hobit, Tryptofish, Lee Vilenski, Nosebagbear, Levivich --Guy Macon (talk) 21:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, we'll see. I have one other firm commitment. I have one nominator I've heard thirdhand is going to do it but they haven't reached out to me (if they don't soon I'll reach out to them). There are a couple nibbles of people who are maybes. So we'll see. I'm still hopeful but we'll find out in the next couple weeks whether or not this comes together. Part of the nice thing about this is that "failure" here has little negative consequence. Do you have thoughts? Leads? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If enough others are going to run at the same time I would like to be submitted for RfA as part of the "RfA Flight", preferably nominated by Guy. ("Are you nuts? Why would anyone want to go through that again?"). If there are any "too soon" squawks, a case can be made for renomination due to my cardiac arrest not allowing me to answer questions the last time. Best case (for me) would be if multiple editors decided to come to my defense this time. Best case (for everyone else involved in the mid-September RfA Flight) would be me being such an inviting target that the detractors wouldn't have time to put the other candidates through hell.

Might I suggest that we change it to "All Hallows' Eve RfA Flight" and shoot for 1 minute after midnight (UTC), October 31? I don't think Mid-September gives us enough time.

I you can get this organized, it will be interesting to see how the dynamic changes when multiple candidates all file at the same time. --Guy Macon (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon the timing might be wrong. I had hoped that two months out was enough time to plan - or not. I will also admit that some of it was selfish - it was at the tail end of the time that my candidate established of when they were aiming for. I'm not sure that waiting two weeks will give us substantially more time to participate (I'm a fan of the phrase "deadlines spur action") but would definitely be open from the people you've pinged (or others) that I'm wrong. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, LOL! I think we really need to push right back to the "no big deal" days and away from "Requests for Sainthood". It is clear to me that both you and Levivich should be admins - you both have a decent case for need fo the tools (both watching areas where tweaking protection is common, for example), and much as we don't do badge collecting, the mop adds weight to the opinion of serious and clueful users like yourselves.

I recognise that this may be Quixotic. But at its simplest level it's really not. The question should be: do I trust this person? We disagree on many things, but I absolutely do trust you. I trust your judgment, I trust you not to fuck up, and I trust you to add a perspective that is in somewhat short supply among admins. Guy (help! - typo?) 09:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So listen, one and all is welcome to join the RfA flight. And the thing I believe, above all, about RfA is that no one truly knows anything about serious candidates. That said after sleeping on this, I have to say I find the plan not quixotic, which conveys a certain romantic heroic nature, but rather simply ill conceived.

In order to show that RfA is no big deal, ultimately the person running it needs to be successful. Running a second RfA ~6 months after the first in 2020 (rather than 2006) does not seem like it's going to set Guy up for success; even absent cardiac arrest I don't think that RfA 1 was going to be successful. What sunk RfA 1 was not a lack of this or need for more experience in that. It was concern over temperament and I am quite confident that there will be fresh diffs to show that those concerns haven't gone away. I also wonder if some of what support there was will melt away because the candidacy will seem more POINTY than noble.

There are a whole slew of things where an RfA candidate who is willing to say F It and act against their own interests while standing up for larger points could be of service to the community. But in order for that example to hold water ultimately it needs to be "Look X didn't do Y and they still passed.

As I said one and all are welcome to join the flight. I'd be happy to have Guy. I just don't think that this is the right strategy to actually "add a perspective that is in somewhat short supply among admins." Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minor correction: Mid September is more than 6 months after 5 March 2020. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hence my use of ~ as "approximately" :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:33, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I look at the recently submitted draft Draft:Chingari (app) and it's very short. I looked at the copy-vios report and it was very high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan0512 (talk • contribs) 20:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Evan0512, indeed. It's because the text appears to be largely identical to text from here. The fact that the article is short doesn't change that it was copied. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm approaching you to ask whether you'd be able to give me some training on New Page Patrolling. I enjoyed the process of going through the CVUA training under Girth Summit, and I learned a huge amount about how things worked here, so I'm now thinking about branching our and finding additional ways to support the project. I also have served as a NPR for 3 months from 27 October 2019 to 27 January 2020. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 07:49, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ZI Jony, Girth is a fantastic trainer. Unfortunately I don't have time at the moment to take on a new student. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 11:27, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barkeep49, Could you please consider me in next slot? I'll wait for your time. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ZI Jony, so a couple questions on that front. First, why me as opposed to some other trainer? Second, training is a very time intensive process for me. I notice you have never used rollback nor Huggle - the two most common outcomes of passing CVUA. What can you do to assuage me that my investment of time in you will be time well spent? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please consider this a friendly note: Pretending for the moment that this was something I neither knew or cared about, I would have either relisted for a new afd on the basis this was irretrievably poised by discussion of extraneous issues, or closed no consensus. Arguments about whether he met WP:PROF are relevant. Arguments that WP:PROF does not apply are arguments contrary to policy and should have been discarded. (The same could probably be said about arguments about motive, including mine. I do consider this is part of the pervasive prejudice at WP against non-standard views, but I do not know how to effectively combat it. It is probably inevitable in our ways of doing things that our content reflect our general prejudices.) DGG ( talk ) 00:59, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]