I just love a virgin talk page four years in a row.

My best to you. Roxy the dog. wooF 03:19, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can call it a tradition. Happy New Year to you too, and to all my lovely Talk Page watchers. Let's hope 2022 turns out better than 2021! Alexbrn (talk) 04:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Alexbrn, could you please advise me If the changes citing peer-reviewed scientific journals can be kept? Thank you for your help. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nirmatrelvir&type=revision&diff=1063501789&oldid=1063500319 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exaltedyeti (talk • contribs) 12:14, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Please see the welcome message on your page and WP:MEDRS (or WP:MEDFAQ for a quick start). In general, the English Wikipedia requires much more than just that a paper is peer-reviewed for it to be considered suitable as a source for biomedical content. Alexbrn (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for linking this resource. With this in mind, I will attempt another, smaller edit of the page, using review article content only!Exaltedyeti (talk) 12:28, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Alexbrn,

(1) Thank you for letting me know about the 'Sea of Blue'issue. I will make sure I correct the links.

(2) Could you please point to the unreliable sources that are making you redirect the page? I would like to fix the errors and provide proper sources for the article.

Thanks! R-Cal-L (talk) 06:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there! Just picking one at random, PMID:30829033 is primary research on rats. In general, primary research is not suitable for use on Wikipedia for biomedical content — see the links I have posted on your talk page for guidance. If you can find better sources (e.g. review articles, textbooks and statements from major medical bodies) then material on the the very niche topic you are writing about ("Psilocybin Microdosing Safety‎") should be added to the Psychedelic microdosing article and, if that gets too big, split out eventually. Because of WP:NOPAGE it is not a good idea to fragment a topic into many tiny fragment articles (which this would be, given the likely tiny amount of viable sourcing). Alexbrn (talk) 06:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions.

@WP:MEDRS: I have to say that initially I was surprised to find that Wikipedia doesn’t support providing primary sources but the more I read on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(medicine), the more it makes sense. I will work on getting secondary sources for the data. However, since the page doesn’t exist because of the redirect, how can I make changes to improve it? Should I start another draft from one of the older versions from the history of it?

@WP:NOPAGE, I understand what you are saying. I have reviewed the redirect page. I could create a psilocybin microdosing safety subsection on it. The page I am trying to create is much more detailed. My goal is to provide a more specific safety-related page to the psychedelics community especially because of the anticipated review of psilocybin microdosing safety information by various legislative bodies across the world in the coming year. I imagine I could add this information to the psychedelics safety subsection but I feel that it would take away from the general psychedelics-based focus of that page. Please advise.

Thank you and Happy New Year! R-Cal-L (talk) 08:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better to expand the article as is, and if it gets to big then a WP:SPLIT might be warranted. In general articles tend to cover all aspects of a drug in one place, even for major ones like, say, Clozapine.

I see you have created/edited Psilocybin Microdosing and Psilocybin Microdosing Safety — I don't think having these as standalone articles is a good idea. Any sources for biomedical assertions in these articles which were not WP:MEDRS would almost certainly be considered unreliable. Alexbrn (talk) 08:51, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. I will add the psilocybin microdosing safety content as subsections to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_microdosing after I take care of the WP:MEDRS issues with it. Quick question: I had two tables in the content. One with serotonin receptors binding affinity values and the second with dosage information of some compounds. I had cited the non-review papers for those experimentally determined values. Is it ok to do that? If not, what other way can experimental data be presented? My goal is to provide some experimental proof to the readers since lately it has been more difficult to convince readers about scientific facts.

Thank you for all your help with this. Best, R-Cal-L (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find MEDRS sources, your plan sounds good. I'd say the tbular detail detail you propose is not appropriate: Wikipedia is meant to be a summary for general readers, and in any case we are in no position to judge whether content in primary sources is correct (the kind of "accepted knowledge" Wikipedia is meant to be summarizing). P.S. in Talk page interactions, please use the conventions of WP:INDENT to keep conversations threaded. Alexbrn (talk) 06:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'm Levivich. I noticed that you made a comment on the page WP:COIN that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. When I correctly identify and report a COI, and you repeatedly call what I'm doing a "witch hunt", you are personally attacking me, and attempting through bullying tactics to get me to stop reporting COI editing. This is unacceptable; please stop defending COI via these intimidation tactics. Levivich 14:17, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be silly, it's not you personally that's the problem and I've been quite clear about seems questionable behaviour. COI-tainted editing is bad, but misguided zeal is as much a problem as we have seen in the past. Alexbrn (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter who it's directed at, you shouldn't be saying it about anyone. I'm the one who started the COIN, I'm the one who is pursuing this. What I'm doing is not a witch hunt, so stop calling it that. You are trying to create a chilling effect -- to discourage people from pursuing this -- and that's not ok. You, personally, need to get on the right side of this issue or you're going to be a party to the inevitable arbcom case that's coming. They do in fact have a COI and they did in fact lie about it in the COIN thread ("I have never edited about myself" = flat lie, quickly disproven with diffs). This won't go away, and later, everyone's conduct will be examined. When the question is asked, "why couldn't the community handle this?," I will answer, "because Alex kept making personal attacks against whomever raised the issue." So stop creating the diffs that support that answer; stop accusing people who are concerned about an actual COI of being on a witch hunt. Levivich 14:46, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree it's a personal attack and if I see witch-hunting behaviour I will call it out. Alexbrn (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You'd better double check the definition of "witch hunt". I don't think that phrase means what you think it means. "Witch hunt" doesn't mean "ganging up on someone" or "false accusation". A "witch hunt" is the pursuit of people for holding unorthodox or unpopular views. Enforcing our COI policies isn't even analogous to pursuing people for their views. Nobody is even talking about these editors' views. By accusing the COIN I started of being a witch hunt, you're saying I filed it because I want to silence their views, meaning I am anti-skeptic or pro-woo. That's why it's a personal attack. Levivich 14:58, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Witch hunting is exactly hitting the nail on the head. It does mean false accusation. Good grief. -Roxy the dog. wooF 15:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]