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Hello to all fellow Wikipedians. Be assured I'll be as courteous as possible & hope to provide worthy answers to your questions (about wiki edits), I'm looking forward to meeting you. GoodDay 22:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC).[reply]

You may be wondering why my archives only start at August 2007. The reason: I didn't archive my pages before that date, I merely deleted them (as I didn't know how to archive). Therefore, if anyone wishes to see material before August 2007? check out this talk-page's 'history'.

I've a secondary userpage called User:GoodDay/My stuff, which is where 'my stuff' has been transfered from my Userpage.

My Mentors

Danbarnesdavies & Steven Zhang. These gentlemen, will help me tweak my behaviour/conduct on Wikipedia; particularly in the areas of British & Irish politics.

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Haven't heard from you for a while (though perhaps that means there haven't been any dramas?) How are things going? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 22:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quite well. I've dabbled into a couple of British/Irish things, but only briefly & certaintly non-disruptively. For the most part, I've been ghnoming away. Mind you, I became frustrated over recent developments at WP:HOCKEY - thus giving myself a reminder of why I resigned my membership from that WikiProject. GoodDay (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GoodDay, someone is changing the numbering of the Lieutenant Governors of Nova Scotia. As it was you, I believe, that added the numbers to each article, I thought you might want to be made aware of these pretty sweeping changes. Best, --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 15:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are his changes accurately following NS sources? GoodDay (talk) 15:31, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GoodDay. Here we are again. You must have been aware that your removing the fact that Welsh is spoken in Wales from the infobox would be controversial. Please give enough time for a concensus to develop on the talk page before making a change. Also, your bold move was reverted (enjoyed the edit summary, btw), which should have resulted in discussion on the talk page rather than reverting to your version. I note you had made no previous edits to Welsh language. Please advise the circumstances that caused you to arrive at that article. If you intend to improve it then you are welcome. However, given your history you will forgive me if I have my doubts. You were supposed to be being mentored. What went wrong. Daicaregos (talk) 08:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've already contacted my mentors about my showing up at that article & the likelihood that you were going to raise opposition to my proposed changes. Anyways, having just faced what appears to be hostility here & at that article's talkpage, it's obvious that 'the wall' still controls those articles & that British & United Kingdom are treated as taboo terms. GoodDay (talk) 15:19, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't see why those edits were troublesome and were always going to be controversial, I don't think you can be trusted to control yourself. Blaming the problem on other editors, and hostility, shows an unwillingness to accept when you're wrong. Being invited to present a logical argument based on facts and policies, and then copping out with excuses of hostility points to little or no argument to back up your edits. We've been here too many times in the past and I don't see why the community needs to tolerate this behaviour. Perhaps a formal topic ban is the only way to prevent this disruption. I'm interested to hear what your mentors have to say on this. --HighKing (talk) 17:57, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm already under a virtual 'topic ban' concerning those articles; have been for years. When was the last time, a proposal of mine got adopted on those articles-in-question? I can't recall. I accept the exitance of 'the Wall' & therefore I'm not pursuing my proposal at the Welsh language article's infobox - even though United Kingdom is shown in the Scottish, Irish & English langues articles infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 18:02, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did not make this block because of the username, it is not a username block. This is a disruption block block because nearly every edit this user made was confrontational. When combined with the fact that over 90% of his contributions were to noticeboards, user talk pages, his userpage, and other non-article pages this suggests intentional disruption. Prodego ^talk 21:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very well. GoodDay (talk) 21:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(For the benefit of others reading along) Other than that he likely chose the username to cause controversy, I agree with you that it would be an acceptable name. Prodego ^talk 21:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 21:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I find it a little misleading that you are changing from text to numerals on the pretext of "numerals, when above 'tenth'" - this is clearly not the case in MOSNUM:

• "numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or in words if they are expressed in one or two words"

More importantly GA and FA article review/candidates are often told to put numbers in the same expression, here your edits were not following that simple guideline, as mentioned also in MOSNUM:

• "Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: we may write either 5 cats and 32 dogs or five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs"

Your edit:

• "is the fifth serial of the fourteenth season" -> "is the fifth serial of the 14th season"

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 12:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I learned from the F&W Encylopedia that 1st to 10th, should be changed to first to tenth. GoodDay (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Would you like to voice your opinion about this topic? I see you are an experienced editor, so if you want to, please contribute to the discussion. 174.7.90.110 (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm.. Saw that. I think I remember seeing somewhere that youtube videos can't be provided as references and I can't find anything else supporting my statement. I'll probably just leave it.. not something I wanna get in an editing conflict over.. I appreciate you letting me know though! Cheers. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 22:41, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey GoodDay. It's me again. I just wanted to let you know that a discussion has been started at WP:CANADA and if you want to (please don't feel as if I am forcing you to) read my response and give your opinion, please do. I hope you read my whole response; I know it's long, but I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, 174.7.90.110 (talk) 06:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed you are supposedly "fixing" a lot of hyphens into n-dashes. However, all of the ones I have looked at already were n-dashes. It is totally unnecessary and time-consuming for you to continue changing those. I think it would actually add more to the system to have the longer n-dash markup text in there than just the symbol. Please note that just because it shows a simple dash in the edit screen doesn't mean it is just a hyphen on the displayed article. The hyphen is much smaller compared to the n-dash and you should be able to easily recognize the difference. If you truly were meaning to make them longer, they should have been changed to m-dashes, not n-dashes. However, that said, m-dashes really weren't needed there anyway. See WP:DASH for some info. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 02:21, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll just change the 'short hyphens' to &ndash. GoodDay (talk) 02:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Despite what JS says, it is better to have the actual dash than the &ndash. In fact, many of us go around changing the html code to an actual character as a matter of course. The actual advice is to first be sure that hyphens you are changing to dashes should be dashes; then second, using "Show preview", be sure what you are changing to dashes aren't already dashes. -Rrius (talk) 22:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I wasn't clearer, but that is exactly what I meant. Originally GoodDay was changing the actual en-dash character into html code. I was saying that that wasn't necessary, that it is better to use the actual symbol, not the html code. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 22:47, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a sec - I may need a visual example. GoodDay (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and date ranges should not be spaced unless one of the elements has a space, so it is "1992–1994" and "Jan–Feb 2001", but "January 3 – March 10" and "2002 – July 2003". -Rrius (talk) 22:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to remember. GoodDay (talk) 22:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I do dashes as I go along. I suggest you, like me, learn to type the dash symbols. In Windows they are: Alt+0150 – n-dash (common); Alt+0151 — m-dash (rare). After a few years of doing it, it's become second nature to me... :) ✝DBD 23:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's confusing. GoodDay (talk) 23:38, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I usually just copy a known en dash or em dash over, instead of having to figure out how to type it. You will see when editing below that I have used the actual symbol, not the &ndash or &mdash codes.

• hyphen: - (just made by typing the hyphen button on the keyboard)
• en dash: – (copied from a known en dash character)
• em dash: — (copied from a known em dash character)

Note: putting in a hyphen and an en dash really looks the same in the edit field. But they will appear different sizes in the actual page. The em-dash looks slightly longer in both the edit field and the actual page. Like Rrius states above, use the "Show preview" button to check to make sure you put in the right character. You could always copy these into Word or something. Or you could simply leave this page up and copy the needed character from here. Thank you. -- JoannaSerah (talk) 00:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I might leave the dashs alone, as it's a tad of a hassle ;) GoodDay (talk) 01:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• - Wikichecker - User:GoodDay - this one is the best one around imo at the moment - there is a PIE , hmmm. - also, congratulations and well done, ninety five percent of your last five hundred edits have been to articles. Youreallycan 21:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks. I'm reformed for sure. GoodDay (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LOL - when your fully reformed you can help me reform - best regards to you GoodDay - Youreallycan 21:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Giggle giggle, thanks ;) GoodDay (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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• - X!'s Edit counter (with pie) now taken on by TParis - summary for User:GoodDay

note - if you create this page (with any content at all) you will get additional details shown such as top ten articles edited and suchlike.

Enjoy - Youreallycan 21:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yummy, my 6+ year old pie. Thank you, sir. GoodDay (talk) 21:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, GoodDay, and thanks for your recent edits on disambiguation pages. I just wanted to let you know you can save some time, each line only has one blue link on a disambiguation page, and that would be the link to the article if there is one. WP:DDD is a great, concise explanation of the guidelines, which are quite different to articles. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 09:04, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. GoodDay (talk) 15:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just reverted your Shea Salinas change where you linked to the country. WP:OVERLINK states "Avoid linking the names of major geographic features and locations, languages, religions, and common professions." We don't even need to link to association football, but I wouldn't take it that far. Just explaining why I reverted. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted most of your country changes back to 2012-02-10T05:56:49. Do you mind taking care of the rest? Thanks. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wowsers, I didn't think gnoming was gonna be this difficult. Anways, I won't be reverting my edits, but I won't reverse the reverts of any them either. GoodDay (talk) 23:19, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So you go against an established guideline without knowing about it and then you won't fix your additions against policy afterwards. Why not just not edit then? It will save those of us who actually care about Wikipedia a lot of time. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It anybody comes across a bio article that they feel is overlinked, they may undo mine or anybody elses links, to correct that percieved problem. I rarely go back & revert myself, choosing instead to look forward. GoodDay (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

read as: I'll make edits to fix something that I think is broken, but I won't actually fix what I've broken. What a child. Just stop editing if you're going to do it without taking any responsibility for what you're breaking. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, I won't making anymore links. GoodDay (talk) 23:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. Just stop editing until you know what you're doing. If you're going to make wholesale changes like this, find out if you're doing the right thing beforehand if you're not willing to clean the fecal matter that you introduce. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please take your concerns to my mentors. GoodDay (talk) 23:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have your mentors contact me. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I contacted them and pointed them here. Please stop editing until you've been mentored. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just concentrate on spelling corrections, until they arrive. GoodDay (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Oh, you have read Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English, yes? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I know a misspelled word, when I see one. GoodDay (talk) 00:07, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could I get some diffs here, so I can get an understanding of what's going on? Cheers. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 00:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could look at his edit history and search for the word "country" and look at those but since I'm here:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ann_Barzel&diff=prev&oldid=476200345
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shea_Salinas&diff=prev&oldid=476192804
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haddock_Corporation&diff=prev&oldid=476189355
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hoadley&diff=prev&oldid=476185606
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Piero_Cappuccilli&diff=prev&oldid=476184234
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lat%C3%A9co%C3%A8re_14&diff=prev&oldid=476184089
• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heroine_(song)&diff=prev&oldid=476183577

and the issue is WP:OVERLINK. That's what he did, but the problem is that he refused to undo the more than 100 changes he made to the policy after he was asked to undo the mess he made. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And all the edits over linking (GoodDay those indeed are over linking) use the "link to country" edit summary? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 00:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've stopped linking to countries & constituent countries. GoodDay (talk) 00:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Not sure what you're asking, but all of his overlinking include the word "country". Some use "constituent country". However, the issue is not what his edit summary stated, it was his refusal to correct his "fixes".

He may not know not to change between English variants as per his response here. He may know a "misspelled" word, but would he correct a "misspelt" word to become a "misspelled" word in violation of MOS:ENGVAR? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show me where they changed a word between US and British English? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 00:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He may not know not to change between English variants as per his response. I'm not is monitor so I'm not going to watch for ENGVAR issues, I just want you to be aware of this. Now back to his refusal to correct the intentional WP:OVERLINK violations. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:54, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"intentional WP:OVERLINK violations"? GoodDay (talk) 01:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c) I would appreciate if you could show me where he changed spelling from one variant to another, so I can indeed see the problem for myself, and explain it to him. The over link issues I have noted they were indeed over linking, but I don't think they were intentional. GoodDay, if a user comes to you with what they feel is an issue, and you do not feel you were doing the wrong thing, please ask either me or DBD so we can point you in the right direction. Walter was indeed correct here. You should also try and resolve issues yourself where possible. We are here to guide you, but at the same time we are not your babysitters. In short, discuss concerns that users raise with you, when in doubt ask us. Cheers. Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 01:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Steven Zhang, I think you addressed the correct issue in part.

The ENGVAR issue that I raised was based on a statement, not a specific action, so I don't know if he has made any edits against ENGVAR. I won't be patrolling his edits as that's parochial and unnecessary at best and wikihounding in the worst case.

The OVERLINK issue was also not the problem either. It was an honest mistake.

The problem, the one where he asked me to "take [my] concerns to [his] mentors", is that GoodDay refused to revert his OVERLINK changes after he was informed that they were against guidelines. I call them intentional because GoodDay intentionally refused to fix a problem that GoodDay created. That's intent and malicious. If GoodDay had written something like, "I didn't know it was a problem at that time. Now that I know, I'll go fix the ones you haven't" it would have been fine. However GoodDay wrote, "I rarely go back & revert myself, choosing instead to look forward." --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know all the rules (despite having been on the project for over 6 yrs), it's darn near impossible to memorize all of them. Anyways, I'll continue to avoid linking bios to countries & constituent countries. We must be careful not to over-program a bloke. GoodDay (talk) 03:45, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking you to memorize rules, I'm asking you to take responsibility for your actions. If you make a change and someone tells you it's wrong, you offer to go and undo them. When someone tells you that you should undo them you don't say, "I rarely go back & revert myself, choosing instead to look forward." I honestly don't think you understand what sort of an person not reverting your mistakes makes you out to be. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They're neither vandalism or desruptive, so I'm not going to go through them. I can though, go through bio articles that already had links 'country' & 'constituent country' & deletes those. GoodDay (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, they're unconstructive and I would argue that they are actually disruptive. You violated a guideline. You didn't do it knowingly, but you did violate it. As I was fixing your disruptive editing, I saw a handful of articles that were watched where your edits were reverted shortly after you made them. You disrupted those pages for those editors not me. And as for logic, I don't think anyone has a problem with editors who unknowingly making edits against policy, but when they're informed, and refuse to fix the edits against guidelines, they're not being constructive. You made more than 100, and you outright refused to undo them. That simply makes you an unconstructive editor. See template:uw-vandalism1. Wow! Editing in a way that is not constructive is vandalism. And since you can't even spell "disruptive" I suggest that you stay away from fixing the spelling on Wikipedia too. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:20, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GoodDay, if you make edits that are against a policy or guideline, you indeed are obligated to fix your mistake. If you have not yet done so, then please do. Walter, you said there were over 100 edits made that overlinked but I could only see a few edits. Mind pointing them out? Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 05:31, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, but I don't think all of them are overlinked situations. GoodDay (talk) 05:39, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Holy smokers, which ones am I suppose to revert? I check through & Gorlitz's has reverted everyone I've checked. GoodDay (talk) 05:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See User talk:GoodDay/Overlinks. 161. There were a few others that may have been hidden along with other edits made around the same time, so I rounded down to 100. I have reverted every last one that other editors didn't get to first. I said so several times. Just goes to show you that I wasted my time writing too. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

May I have a list of the articles you 'haven't' reverted? GoodDay (talk) 06:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think WG is overreacting. Leaving the overlinks in place is not a huge stain on the project, and asking GD to make reverting them a priority is a bit rude, and getting angry when he refuses is worse. It would be different if we were talking about a huge error or something at just a few pages, but getting upset that GD won't do something that could more easily be fixed by using AWB or asking the person who uses the script that eliminates overlinks to take care of it. -Rrius (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Rrius. I've tried, but couldn't find the articles-in-question that WG's concerned about. He's basically reverted many of my edits. GoodDay (talk) 06:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm overreacting? I didn't ask him to make it a priority, I just asked him to do it. When he didn't, I took care of it. And I didn't get angry or upset I simply stated unequivocally that it was wrong to shirk his responsibilities. So now that I've dealt with your hyperbole I'll add that there are no scripts, to my knowledge, that deal with overlinking.

As for the list of articles that have not been reverted (remember I didn't do all of them) I don't have one nor will I make one, but I believe I looked at all of the possibilities.

And no, I didn't revert all of your edits, I reverted the overlinks that were not already done. The rest of your edits I left untouched. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:43, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which ones though, assuming you've reverted all the edits that created over-links? GoodDay (talk) 06:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperbole? You said, "What a child. Just stop editing if you're going to do it without taking any responsibility for what you're breaking." And you have managed to turn this into quite a long conversation just because GD wouldn't do something that wasn't important for anyone to do. You reject "angry" and "upset" as "hyperbole", but you clearly care a great deal and in a way tinged with negative feelings. If that isn't upset, then insert your own adjective. As for scripts, if that's correct then I wonder what those edit summaries with WP:OVERLINK and the word "script" in them are all about. -Rrius (talk) 06:55, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay I've written it several times but so just so you can stop wondering: you do not have any reverts to do. Some other editors reverted some of the overlinks, and I reverted the remaining. I did not revert all of your overlinks though, there are other editors who find following Wikipedia guidelines important and they did it before I got there. Some were done shortly after you applied the edits.

FWIW, the reason I had been linking bio articles to 'countries' & 'constituent countries', was because it was already done on many other bio articles. I just went by those. GoodDay (talk) 07:05, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I understand. And as I have written, that's not the problem. I do know that you won't be overlinking any further which is comforting. Thanks for the clarification. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Rrius Yes, hyperbole. If someone being called a child is angry, you should see what I see on Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance‎. Maybe I've become desensitized. Sorry if you thought that I was lashing out. I wasn't. I was being firm. And as for your nonsense about not being important, sorry you don't think Wikipedia guidelines are important. Perhaps you should find something important to do. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if this discussion is still a productive one. Might I suggest that GoodDay takes note to respond to concerns in a timely manner, and correct his mistakes if they are raised to him, and leave it at that? I think GoodDay has gotten "the point". Steven Zhang ^{Join the DR army!} 07:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed provided WG looks up the word "hyperbole" in the dictionary (hint: regardless of whether he rejects the word "angry", it wasn't meant as exaggeration) and learns not to get nasty with people when they don't want to go back and correct minor, yes minor, violations of guidelines (he wasn't adding OR or NPOV material after all), then we can leave it there. -Rrius (talk) 07:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Could you indicate exactly where Wikipedia:MOSBD says that dates of births should be removed if the date of death is unknown? I can't see this. In the meantime could you please revert your change and discuss on the Robert Burns talk page, as you have already been requested. Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MOSBD says to use (b.YEAR) for people still living & those 2 women-in-question aren't living. Also, one of my mentors already suggested it would likely be better to delete if we had no clues about the death date or estimate death date. GoodDay (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GoodDay - I saw it getting a little heated here - and I have asked user Mais oui to rather contact your mentors with his problem. diff - Youreallycan 17:47, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is not his mentors' behaviour I have a problem with. It is GoodDay's.--Mais oui! (talk) 17:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No Mais, you're the problem. You're deliberately antagonizing & baiting me into a fight, with the hope of getting me topic-banned or indef blocked. GoodDay (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]