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Hello Alakzi. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:ClueBot III/Detailed Indices/User talk:Alakzi/Archive 1, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This is not your user page. Thank you. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then use whichever criterion applies. Alakzi (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think any criterion applies. The closest I can think of is G8, but even that would only apply if you deleted your archives (which you are allowed to do since they're C&P rather than move archives). Why do you want them deleted? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:25, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

G6 applies. I've switched to a different archival bot, so the indices are no longer kept current. Alakzi (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that could apply. Out of curiosity, are they doing any harm by being there? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jackmcbarn: Well, no, I don't think so. Since they're indices of my own talk page, I thought it'd be OK if I wanted to delete them for whatever reason. Alakzi (talk) 16:38, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. Gone. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Alakzi (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Firstly I am finding it difficult to discuss this issue when every time i come back it has been archived to a page that is not allowed to be edited, and therefore i have to keep starting the topic again. Anyway, in the archived discussion, Bugumba says "it looks there are articles that are dependent on the new changes. Therefore, it would not be sufficient to only revert the template, but rather all the articles that use the new format would need to be identified and converted as well". I don't believe this is true, the articles are not dependent on the changes so reverting the template would be fine. Only the pages that you manually changed to fit the new template would need to be reverted - i think this is about a dozen? Your statement "The infobox might not look right now, but it never was right" is not correct either, there were no infoboxes that had the years and the teams mismatched that i know of before the template change was implemented. I don't think saying people are free to implement the solution you suggested (widening the columns?) is fair. You did create the problem, so i think it is only fair you fix it! If it is a small change to the template then please make it, i don't know the exact details of what the change would be. Finally, I am not going to continue discussing the problem as i'm growing tired of seeing all the pages in a mess so unless a fix is forthcoming i will attempt to revert myself. thanks ... Rcclh (talk) 20:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rcclh: It should be fixed now. Sorry about the archiving. Alakzi (talk) 20:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Glancing through a few pages that seems to have resolved the problem. Thank you. Rcclh (talk) 21:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand the reference. You might have to spell it out for me. Alakzi (talk) 22:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You follow the link "Reformation" under my lead image (which was used here first, remembered today), and explore --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You recently called me out for referring to a Wikipedia essay by it's title, which I apologize because I now realize how use of that title offended you. My original intent was to ask for a reprieve on your block, and used the shortcut name of said article to argue the merits of an unblock, namely: "If they mean what they say, they'll be fine." In the process, I did not realize that the title itself is negative, and I did not believe the essay necessarily presumed a negative outcome. I apologize for the misunderstanding, and have modified the essay as an initial step towards improving it. No comment is needed on your part. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate that, and I'm sorry if I've offended you with my own reaction. Alakzi (talk) 21:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Whenever you are finished with the current work on adding {{Greater color contrast ratio}} to {{Infobox television season}}, would it be possible to add it to {{Episode list}} as well? My template coding skills are not quite good enough to do it myself. I think the idea of adding the tracking category is wonderful and would love to see it expanded to the Episode list template as that's another common source of WP:COLOR violations. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the table header? That's manually constructed - or at least it was, until recently. I've now added {{Greater color contrast ratio}} and tracking to {{Episode table}}. Alakzi (talk) 21:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I mean for the color/text in the table header. But I see what you mean that it's manually constructed. Thanks for adding it to the {{episode table}}. Cheers! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Geology of Pluto. Legobot (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm putting my money where my mouth is and restoring your AWB access. I don't believe that you don't know what was wrong with what you did. And I genuinely have faith that you won't do it again. I hope this is true. Thank you, --ceradon (talk • contribs) 00:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Alakzi (talk) 00:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks. Nut can you delete the logo/image, there is no need for them, there is no official logo for FIS World Cup seasons. Beside that it is squeezing the calendar/schedule table now. And can you wide the infobox on 290 px, because the longer names of winners and the title doesn't fit in one line. Thanks for your hard work. Sportomanokin (talk) 11:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It looks fantastic now. Sportomanokin (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I widen it to 26em so that now FIS Nordic Combined World Cup also fits in. Sportomanokin (talk) 12:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for the heads-up. Alakzi (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A, is there a better way to highlight or silhouette text than this: [1]? Personally, I'm not really concerned about AL's signature, but I do have several other problems to resolve regarding graphics where a secondary team color is some shade of off-white (e.g., "cream") that simply disappears against Wikipedia's off-white background. I'm looking for something crisper; the silhouette text effect you suggested is fuzzy in appearance. Is there something better defined in terms of a consistent black hair-line or the like. Oh, and my question does not actually involve text, but fine graphics that include very light team colors. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If it's not text, then you can probably use border or box-shadow. Have you got an example? Alakzi (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Alakzi. I'm working through the accessibility issues of Template:Infobox gridiron football person. I had a week-long vacation that slowed me down, but I'm back to work. I've encountered some articles with coaching entries as high as 21. Would you mind adding at least a few more coaching_years#/coaching_team# parameters to help facilitate fixing the accessibility issues? I'd recommend just adding 10 more (20 --> 30). It's doubtful all of them will be used, but the extra parameters wouldn't hurt anything and will guarantee this is a lasting fix. Thanks again for all your help! ~ Rob^Talk 06:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Alakzi (talk) 08:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of a family of templates like {{AIUI}}? We can't have them for every common abbreviation; {{TfD}}, for example, is already taken. Perhaps such cases should be in the form {{Abbr/TfD}}, or {{Abbr-TfD}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like a good idea, though I'd prefer it if they were handled centrally at someplace like {{Common abbreviations (meta)}}, and we could have a redirect from {{A}}. Alakzi (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean by that; but the template names need to be short, or they won't be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that the abbreviations should all be kept in the same place, which would make expansion and maintenance easier. It'd be used like so: {{A|TfD}}. Alakzi (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; that's clearer - but why not under {{Abbr}}? I do like the use of {{A}}, and have made an edit request (it's currently unused but protected), pointing it at {{Abbr}} for now. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:36, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved {{AIUI}} to {{Abbr/AIUI}}; and created {{Abbr/TfD}}, as demonstrators; with no prejudice against moving them again. Did you anticipate the creation of {{A/AIUI}} et al, or that we would use {{A|AIUI}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note the pipe: I was suggesting to use {{A|AIUI}}. If we mean to both keep "Abbr" and avoid the creation of multiple new templates, we'd have to repurpose {{Abbr}} to auto-fill the title of select abbreviations. I'd object to that; colloquialisms and Wikipedia jargon should be kept separate from mainspace uses of {{Abbr}}. Which is to say, I'd object to using "Abbr" with slashes too. Alakzi (talk) 13:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so you'd hard-code a list of abbreviations into {{Common abbreviations (meta)}}? That would work, but the coding is beyond me. Could you make a start, please? I'll be happy to help to populate it by cut, paste & amend. I wouldn't object to a mainspace version, too, which could be {{Abbr}} with single parameter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See {{Common abbreviations (meta)}} and Module:Common abbreviations (meta)/data. Alakzi (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've added a few. I'll ask for those I created to be speedied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Futurama (season 7) is listed in the tracking category but it passes AAA on both contrastchecker.com and the Colour Contrast Analyser program. It does fail the greyscale test, but is AAA compliant. Is there a bug in the tracker coding perhaps? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @EvergreenFir: Alakzi only fixed it earlier today; it could be job-queue lag. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it very narrowly fails triple-A: 6.9987617063037. I wonder if there's anything about rounding in the specification? Alakzi (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"CCA IconColour Contrast Analyser version 2.2a" says it passes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find anything about margins of error or rounding... I think if we're within 0.01, we're fine tbh. But I'm sure we could tweak it a smidge to make it over 7. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:38, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder whether it might be possible to have something like {{Parameter names example}}, but that produces a blank template, like that seen in Template:Infobox halftime show/doc#Code? No worries if it doesn't add the <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} -->, and please say if you're too busy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

{{Parameters}} does just that; use it with {{subst:#tag:pre|{{subst:Parameters|code|base={{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}}}|style=overflow: auto;}}. Alakzi (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's going to save me a lot of tedious work. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the other options as well, and let me know if you've got any ideas for improvement. Alakzi (talk) 20:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple of feature requests, which others may find useful. As we standardise some template names, you could add an option to include definitions and pro forma text, like <!-- {{Start date|YYYY|MM|DD}} --> or, say for |native_name=, name in local language. If more than one, separate using {{tl|Plain list}}; and you could add a version which outputs TemplateData markup. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added definitions to the code output; they can be disabled with |definitions=no. Feel free to expand the list of definitions at the top of Module:Parameters. TemplateData can be generated using VE: click on "Manage TemplateData" in the edit window, then "Add ... suggested parameters". Alakzi (talk) 11:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Andy: I've now added the same functionality to dlist. Alakzi (talk) 12:29, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Alakzi, I seem you've made some coding updates to Template:Infobox college coach. Is there a plan to have a bot update the uses of the now-depreciated fields to the new fields or will this have to be done manually? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 15:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, how will the new field scheme handle individuals who played or coaches multiple sports, e.g. Hugo Bezdek? Jweiss11 (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take a look. Alakzi (talk) 17:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11: Well, I've just written a module for this purpose; please see Module:Infobox college coach/convert. If it doesn't break down spectacularly after 100 or so manual replacements, I'll do the rest (periodically) with AWB. Cheers. Alakzi (talk) 17:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also paging BU Rob13, who first reported the issue. Alakzi (talk) 17:13, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Alakzi: I'd just assume leave the old code and move on to new problems, but I suppose it's good to truly eradicate it's use not only by striking it from documentation, but by also removing the temptation for cut and pasting old examples. If you fancy more coding exercises, I can suggest some other templates near and dear to me with deprecated params.—Bagumba (talk) 17:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, though I might not be able to get to them immediately. Alakzi (talk) 18:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Dirtlawyer1 and Bagumba: Would it be possible to get a few people together to test my conversion script on a limited number of articles before site-wide deployment? What they'd need to do is replace "{{Infobox college coach" with "{{subst:#invoke:Infobox college coach/convert|main", press "Save", and report their findings back to yours truly. Alakzi (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can probably look at this over the weekend, but if either Jweiss11 or Bagumba has the time now, more power to them. Please note that Jweiss is the expert on the formatting of this particular infobox, and probably should be the final arbiter of whether the conversion script is functioning adequately. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are there existing test cases that we can look at? It might be more effective to find different coaches that have formats that haven't been verified yet. Also, does the script cover regenerating params that are not in documentation, but might have been handled in the template (or have all those been converted and/or deprecated)?—Bagumba (talk) 17:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Side-by-side test cases are not possible, given that the module needs to be substituted to work. But you could look at all of my latest edits with the following edit summary: "Split teams/years using Module:Infobox college coach/convert". Yes, the point of this exercise is to uncover the edge cases. If there's a more reliable and less time-consuming way to do that, then by all means.

The script handles all parameters in the template, with the exception of the new career parameters it's meant to convert to. Alakzi (talk) 17:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But we can have the base testcases, without the "subst" side, that can be compiled for reference? Once the testing is done, I'd suggest coverting a small set of high traffic pages (10?), land them sit live for a few days, and see if there are complaints before proceeding full scale.—Bagumba (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've set up some test cases here, which are - actually - rendered, to my surprise. Alakzi (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You'll need to document how "player_sport" and "coach_sport" works. I get it, but it'll be a challenge explaining it in template data without a full blown example for less techie editors.—Bagumba (talk) 18:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've made an attempt to explain it here. Alakzi (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those types of entries won't work with TemplateData. See this discussion. Parameter name needs to match verbatim, so can't have generic entries like "player_sport1..20". Not sure if player_sport1_team1, player_sport1_team2, ... player_sport1_teamN, player_sport2_team1, player_sport2_teamN, ... player_sportN_teamM would be any easier to use/explain?—Bagumba (talk) 19:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if the description's fairly comprehensible, I'll try to jam it in the TemplateData. Alakzi (talk) 19:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Conversion seems to choke if there are trailing spaces for <br> e.g. <br >. At least there is an error msg.—Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch - should be fixed. Alakzi (talk) 18:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've reached my QA quota for the day :-)—Bagumba (talk) 19:01, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

;-) Alakzi (talk) 19:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jweiss11, Bagumba, and Dirtlawyer1: Please see Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Abotzi. Alakzi (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I might be asking too much... but is there a way to have link colors altered automatically by a template if background color is too dark? Some of these dark colored templates have refs in the headers and the color contrast between the link and the background fails WP:COLOR (or the V*T*E and hide links on templates like {{Avatar: The Last Airbender}} fail COLOR). Just thought I'd ask, but I'm guessing it's not possible. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The colour of links should never be altered. The solution is to use a different design, like a coloured border. Alakzi (talk) 18:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Colored border around the links? Okay. I'll look into that. I think this is going to generally be a problem on any template that user dark colors or blues. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A border around the cells. How's this? Alakzi (talk) 19:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That looks great (the unclicked links are now compliant)! But my concern was actually the top gray bar and the links for collapsing, viewing, etc. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should be no problem to just brighten both the top bar and the header cells. Alakzi (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll tweak it some more. I love the border colors. Great idea. Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per #Template:Infobox college coach, you can add this to your todo list, if you desire. If not, they will continue to work as is.

Template:Infobox basketball biography has loads of deprecated params that I see looking at the code. Some cleanup could be:

1. replace weight_lbs with weight_lb
2. convert height to height_ft/height_in or height_m (probably too much hassle to deal with)
3. covert weight to weight_lb or weight_kg
4. replace highschool or "high school" with high_school
5. replace draftyear with draft_year
6. replace draftround with draft_round
7. replace draftpick with draft_pick
8. replace draftteam with draft_team
9. convert draftyearpba/draft_year_pba, draftroundpba/draft_round_pba, draftteampba/draft_team_pba with draft_year/draft_round/draft_team and set draft_league=PBA
10. replace debutyear with career_start
11. replace finalyear with career_end
12. convert former_teams/teams to yearsN/teamN
13. convert coach to cyearsN/cteamN
14. replace awards with highlights
15. replace nba/profile with nba_profile
16. parse wnba_profile to replace underscore with a dash
17. replace medaltemplates with medal_templates
18. not sure if its even used but medal_templates-expand/medaltemplates-expand should probably be converted and just coded as medal_templates_expand

Enjoy.—Bagumba (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All of the renames can be added to AWB gen fixes at WP:AWB/RTP. Alakzi (talk) 18:47, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seem to fall under their "trivial editing" caveat: You are reminded that making page edits solely for the purpose of renaming template parameters where the template display is unaffected may be considered "trivial editing", and therefore contravene the AWB rules of use. Normally you should not make page edits just to rename template parameters that don't alter the template display, unless there is an agreed need to do it—Bagumba (talk) 18:52, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bagumba: AWB operates in "skip if only gen fixes made" mode by default. The parameters will be renamed gradually as people make other, substantial changes to affected articles with AWB. Alakzi (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Either way, there has been consensus in similar infobox templates that teamN is preferable to just teams, etc, given accessibility guidelines. I see no reason why that consensus would not also apply to this template in the absence of any unique arguments against it. ~ Rob^Talk 03:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no arguments - what I meant was that AWB would take care of all of the infoboxes that don't need to have the teams and years split. As for the height and weight parameters, {{Infobox person}}, {{Infobox sportsperson}} and a few other person infoboxes now provide automatic conversion of plain-text values. Do you not want that? Alakzi (talk) 10:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

re: height, I honestly feel exisitng implementation is more user friendly and probably less error prone.—Bagumba (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you kindly add {{Infobox character}} to your to-do list for the tracking category syntax? No rush or anything, just another one that often uses colors. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:09, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Please see Category:Articles using Template:Infobox character with invalid colour combination. Alakzi (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you. Alakzi (talk) 17:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One option is to pass this edit by another template editor, and have them either keep it or revert it. Puts an end to the edit war at least.—Bagumba (talk) 02:35, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking, if a piece of code is removed with no consequences whatsoever for the template, then by definition this code is unnecessary and removing it is actually good practice. That Alakzi's edit was reverted with edit-summary "stop making idle edits" is actually an admission that the removal of the code had no effect in the rendering of the template. Otherwise Alakzi's edit would have been described as harmful. So in a bizarre way the reverting editor paid a compliment to Alakzi while restoring the redundant code. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 02:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do comments count as code :-)—Bagumba (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Perhaps it was a coded message. :) Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 03:32, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if edit warring or wasting other editors' time is worse. Either way, after a good night's sleep, I find myself struggling to care; I should've probably never counter-reverted, though I do maintain that reverting an edit the reverter can't find fault with is extremely poor form. Alakzi (talk) 09:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blues dance is one of the articles with an infobox revert/debate leading to the infoboxes arbcase. A discussion is ongoing now. I see two problems, one that the article is not precise about placement of the topic, a family of dances, in time and location, the other that {{infobox dance}} offers too limited parameters, comparing with {{infobox music genre}} which is used for Tango, - which reminds me of the hymn vs. musical composition discussion where I had the pleasure to meet you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:10, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why {{Infobox dance}} can't be expanded. Alakzi (talk) 09:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a dance person, - should I go to a project, the template talk or an editor such as FourViolas? I also have other things to do, promised myself a GA nom today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You could start a discussion on the template talk page and leave a note on WT:DANCE. Alakzi (talk) 09:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt:/Alakzi I've made a start on expanding it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:13, 31 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I suggested an infobox for this song for which I made a DYK. First encounter with {{infobox song}} and not happy. Text allows only one album, + no para for a book publication, + I would like to picture the person, no cover, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could use {{Infobox musical composition}}? Alakzi (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will think about it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Purely FYI in the event you may have missed it. Ignore this otherwise. As is their prerogative per WP:NOBAN (don't ask me why that is the shortcut name), DePiep has requested that you no longer edit on their talk page.—Bagumba (talk) 20:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen it and hence refrained from commenting. It's WP:NOBAN because it used to be that you couldn't ban people from your talk page. Alakzi (talk) 20:56, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So it should be CANBAN. Whatever.—Bagumba (talk) 21:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, thanks for notifying me. Alakzi (talk) 00:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I just noticed that your 30 July 2015 edit to Template:Infobox UK school removed the coordinates functionality (longitude, latitude, etc.) from the template. This affects many UK schools. • Gene93k (talk) 19:20, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I don't know how that happened. Terribly sorry. Alakzi (talk) 19:31, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The previous version displayed the coordinates in the title, but did not also display them in the infobox. Kanguole 21:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Is that an issue? It is common for the coordinates to be shown in the infobox. Alakzi (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It has been an issue in the past. Some of us think the repetition is clutter. Kanguole 22:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Both locations are where some readers expect to see them, - that is not clutter but service. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Interstellar probe. Legobot (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I tried, in Schauet doch und sehet, ob irgend ein Schmerz sei, BWV 46#1, to use "upright=1.4" instead of a fixed size for the second image, but then see nothing. ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You've used an asterisk instead of an equals sign. Alakzi (talk) 09:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see what you mean. The generated thumbnail is blank. That is weird. Alakzi (talk) 09:53, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked on WP:VPT. Alakzi (talk) 12:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, seen, and added the fixed, - all three you gave there look blank to me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question about tracking categories. I recently created Category:Infobox NFL player articles with small text to track the accessibility issue described here. Do I need to do anything special to populate the category beyond inserting the appropriate markup here: [2]? ~ Rob^Talk 06:04, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, that should be all. Though I'm curious as to why the category lists more articles than a page-wide search. Alakzi (talk) 08:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is odd. Does anything look weird in the way I generated the category? I copied and adapted from the code used by another editor at Template:Infobox CFL player, but that one seemed to work without error. Are redirects such as Template:Infobox NFLactive not picked up in the page-wide search, possibly? ~ Rob^Talk 09:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They are; that was the first thing I checked. :-) See Curly Lambeau, for instance. Alakzi (talk) 09:28, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Darn, I thought I had a bright idea. There's a first time for everything, but I guess this isn't one of those, heh. While I'm here, could you explain the change of plain from false to true in [3]? I'm trying to learn template stuff slowly but surely so I can help out more with template accessibility, which is quickly becoming one of my areas of interest. You've been widely cited as an expert on template stuff, but feel free to let me know if you'd rather not field the occasional question. ~ Rob^Talk 09:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Briefly, |plain= controls whether the pattern should be interpreted as a regex and is more resource-intensive; as we're performing a literal comparison, it is not necessary. In hindsight, we should probably also be checking for capitalised tags, i.e. <SMALL>...</SMALL>. I don't know if I'm an expert, but I'm always happy to help. Alakzi (talk) 09:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who did it or why they did but the changes to the infobox base coding that changed the center justification of subheaders within infobox templates has screwed up literally hundreds of infoboxes that are transcluded into thousands of articles. It's this kind of callous "I don't give a flip about the practical consequences" attitude that really angers article and content editors, and leads to distrust and resistance to a whole host of otherwise well-intended and potentially beneficial initiatives. I'd like to know what individual template editor was responsible so I may inquire of him or her directly when that individual plans to fix all of the individual templates he has materially altered -- because clearly his edits have put that burden on the maintainers of articles, who by and large have no clue how to fix the problems created. (I know you have been graciously fixing these problems piecemeal, as other editors have requested your help.) Please let me know, so I'm not just spitting in the wind. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was Edokter who made the change with Special:Diff/668317639. The relevant discussion can be found here. Alakzi (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain why the coding modification was necessary or desirable? Why was a global coding solution not possible or practical? In any event, I think it would be an excellent idea to keep a list of all templates that still need to be fixed on the linked talk page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The idea was to force IE (versions 9 and earlier), which behaves unlikely any other browser, to left-justify the labels - and the labels only. Instead, Edokter left-justified all the cells in the table indiscriminately. We'd need to figure out how to generate such a list. Personally, I fix them immediately when I find them. Alakzi (talk) 21:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help me out -- I'm trying to understand. Why was it necessary to left justify all cells/text indiscriminately? What was the IEv9 rendering error that demanded this solution? As for the suggested list, I think it should be posted on the Common.CSS talk page, and you should not be solely responsible for the individual fixes -- in the absence of some sort of detection system and/or tracking category, I suspect we're going to be finding and fixing these rendering errors for years. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:08, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly wasn't necessary. Internet Explorer (< 10) would centre the row labels, so instead of...

... you'd get ...

... in {{Infobox3cols}}, which did not apply an inline style. What was necessary was to target the row labels only. Alakzi (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There was not anything close to consensus, so why did you move it? It was clearly a contentious move since it had been done and undone already. I'm asking you to reconsider your close before I file a move review. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:40, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I won't be reconsidering it. Per WP:CON#Determining consensus, I have judged the arguments in opposition to have been nothing short of bogus. Alakzi (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move review request can be found here: Wikipedia:Move_review/Log/2015_August#Template:Televison series overview. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Alakzi (talk) 21:56, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

PS - No hard feelings over this. Just disagree with the close and thought it could use review. Nothing personal. Hope this doesn't affect our work on WP:WCAG or anything. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No hard feelings from me either. Alakzi (talk) 22:21, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@EvergreenFir: I am in total agreeance with you, and hence have restored the discussion and templates to how they were. Given the fact that it was a non-admin closure, and that "the arguments in opposition to have been nothing short of bogus" is bogus within itself. Thi has already been contested previously - add why you think the arguments are bogus to the discussion. Alex|The|Whovian 23:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've elaborated on my closure here. Alakzi (talk) 23:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Template talk:Series overview. AussieLegend (✉) 12:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please take care. Regardless of right or wrong, you will only get yourself blocked if you get involved in another edit war. It's not worth it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]