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:Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so ''problematic''? Do you have a proper argument about why it is ''not'' a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per [[WP:BURDEN]] adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:{{pb}}{{tqb|text=Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:{{pb}}all quotations<br>all material whose verifiability has been challenged<br>all material that is likely to be challenged<br>all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.}}{{pb}}For comparison, the film [[Loose Change]] has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so ''problematic''? Do you have a proper argument about why it is ''not'' a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per [[WP:BURDEN]] adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:{{pb}}{{tqb|text=Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:{{pb}}all quotations<br>all material whose verifiability has been challenged<br>all material that is likely to be challenged<br>all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.}}{{pb}}For comparison, the film [[Loose Change]] has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for [[Loose Change]], a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
::Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for [[Loose Change]], a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
:Honestly if we can't even accurately categorize the movie due to lack of reliable sources then it needs to be deleted. What do you think @[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] and @[[User:Isi96|Isi96]]. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Documentary?

There was an edit war on this page leading up to a report at WP:AN3. After hearing from Skarz, whose point of view is to labelled it as a documentary to reduce the bias of the article and represent the fact that your quote came directly from the SPLC at User_talk:Isi96#Hellstorm_(film), they provided the following sources to back the label up:

And so I did an analysis on Isi96's talk page in response:

wikidata - a sister project of wikipedia, user generated content, therefore not should not be relied upon to build a consensus.
IMDB - See WP:IMDB. We generally do not use the site for reference or support. (bumping this up primarily because many of the sources you indicated are using IMDB as the source).
genocidescholars.org - a single paragraph with a link to the trailer. there's no WP:SIGCOV nor critical coverage. This seems to be just a quick republishing of publicity materials... which is duplicate of what is in plex.tv below, and in IMDB above.
plex.tv - show listing. republication of information taken from IMDB.
leterboxd.com - relies on The Movie Database for film data, which is also a community site, therefore WP:UGC as well.
AVClub - powered by IMDB.

At this point, I would like to reiterate my point that Skarz should try to find more reliable, independent sources to back the documentary label per WP:BURDEN. – robertsky (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so problematic? Do you have a proper argument about why it is not a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per WP:BURDEN adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:

Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:

all quotations
all material whose verifiability has been challenged
all material that is likely to be challenged
all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.

For comparison, the film Loose Change has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. skarz (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for Loose Change, a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. – robertsky (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly if we can't even accurately categorize the movie due to lack of reliable sources then it needs to be deleted. What do you think @Doug Weller and @Isi96. skarz (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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