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:Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so ''problematic''? Do you have a proper argument about why it is ''not'' a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per [[WP:BURDEN]] adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:{{pb}}{{tqb|text=Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:{{pb}}all quotations<br>all material whose verifiability has been challenged<br>all material that is likely to be challenged<br>all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.}}{{pb}}For comparison, the film [[Loose Change]] has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
:Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so ''problematic''? Do you have a proper argument about why it is ''not'' a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per [[WP:BURDEN]] adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:{{pb}}{{tqb|text=Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:{{pb}}all quotations<br>all material whose verifiability has been challenged<br>all material that is likely to be challenged<br>all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.}}{{pb}}For comparison, the film [[Loose Change]] has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for [[Loose Change]], a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
::Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for [[Loose Change]], a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Honestly if we can't even accurately categorize the movie due to lack of reliable sources then it needs to be deleted. What do you think @[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] and @[[User:Isi96|Isi96]]. [[User:Skarz|skarz]] ([[User talk:Skarz|talk]]) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC) |
Revision as of 17:01, 13 February 2024
Documentary?
There was an edit war on this page leading up to a report at WP:AN3. After hearing from Skarz, whose point of view is to labelled it as a documentary to reduce the bias of the article and represent the fact that your quote came directly from the SPLC
at User_talk:Isi96#Hellstorm_(film), they provided the following sources to back the label up:
- Google prominently displays "Hellstorm 2015 Documentary/War"
- Wikidata
- genocidescholars.org
- plex.tv
- letterboxd.com
- IMDB
- avclub.com
And so I did an analysis on Isi96's talk page in response:
- wikidata - a sister project of wikipedia, user generated content, therefore not should not be relied upon to build a consensus.
- IMDB - See WP:IMDB. We generally do not use the site for reference or support. (bumping this up primarily because many of the sources you indicated are using IMDB as the source).
- genocidescholars.org - a single paragraph with a link to the trailer. there's no WP:SIGCOV nor critical coverage. This seems to be just a quick republishing of publicity materials... which is duplicate of what is in plex.tv below, and in IMDB above.
- plex.tv - show listing. republication of information taken from IMDB.
- leterboxd.com - relies on The Movie Database for film data, which is also a community site, therefore WP:UGC as well.
- AVClub - powered by IMDB.
At this point, I would like to reiterate my point that Skarz should try to find more reliable, independent sources to back the documentary label per WP:BURDEN. – robertsky (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Can I ask what the proper categorization of this movie is and why documentary is so problematic? Do you have a proper argument about why it is not a documentary? Should we just leave it at "Motion pictures about WWII" or "Films about WWII"? By the way per WP:BURDEN adding the documentary category does not meet the criteria as it is not mentioned here:
For comparison, the film Loose Change has the documentary category despite being a well known conspiracy film. skarz (talk) 16:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Using inline citations, provide reliable, published sources for:
all quotations
all material whose verifiability has been challenged
all material that is likely to be challenged
all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons.- Well, the documentary label has being challenged and deemed contentious by at least one other editor. As for Loose Change, a quick look indicates that most, if not all mentions of "documentary" are in quotes and/or supported by references. – robertsky (talk) 16:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly if we can't even accurately categorize the movie due to lack of reliable sources then it needs to be deleted. What do you think @Doug Weller and @Isi96. skarz (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)