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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:40, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

David Rossi[edit]

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The article has a lot of WP:CRUFT with no proof of notability. Sources are either episodes (primary) or secondary sources that are interviews or more about the actor, and a quick Google search does not give any sources that prove individual notability, and per WP:N, it is not worth a standalone article. If the character is not notable, I suggest a redirect and/or merge to List of Criminal Minds characters#David Rossi. Spinixster (chat!) 14:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Television. Spinixster (chat!) 14:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge with List of Criminal Minds characters#David Rossi. While there seems to be some coverage in sources [1], [2], [3], the extent to which this is non-routine and significant is questionable. He is a recurring character, but most other recurring characters for this show don't have their own article and so I don't see a reason why he should either. Willbb234 16:49, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - article for a major character in a major TV show is expected and accepted on WP. There are numerous third party sources discussing the character (in fact, there are pages of Google News results, not all diamonds, but there is a lot, and there are many in RS). There is a lot of plot discussion in the article, but that is an inditement on the quality of the article, not whether it should be deleted. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 18:55, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you provide some examples please. Willbb234 19:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just because something has a lot of sources does not mean that it is inherently notable. This would technically count as WP:SOURCESEARCH. Spinixster (chat!) 08:52, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here are 10 different sources. I'm not saying this is going to be a featured article, but this should be more than sufficient to pass GNG.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 15:53, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but this seems like nothing more than trivial coverage for fans of the show; we need to look for something which provides some kind of examination of the character and demonstrates that he is something other than just another recurring character on the show. Some critical analysis would do the trick. Willbb234 23:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not aware of any guideline which tells us to disregard sources which are aimed at fans of a show. But you’re entitled to your view. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 00:00, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewing the sources...
  • First source is both a plot summary and an interview.
  • Second source is an interview.
  • Third source is quoted from an interview.
  • Fourth source is quoted from an interview.
  • Fifth source is a plot summary.
  • Sixth source is a sneak peek of the show.
  • Seventh source is an interview about the character's comeback.
  • Eighth source is an interview about the character's departure.
  • Ninth source is a teaser about the character's romance. CinemaBlend is listed as unreliable in WP:VG/S either way so it shouldn't be used.
  • Tenth source is a plot summary for the final episode.
Overall, you will need non-trivial sources that talk extensively about the character. Interviews (which are primary) and plot summaries aren't going to cut it. Sources that prove the character's significance outside of the show will. Spinixster (chat!) 09:50, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't 'need' anything. And if you want to hold TV character pages to this high of a standard, I advise you to get started, because there are hundreds of pages you missed. Not to mention movie, book, and comic characters. I know "other stuff exists" but let's be real. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 12:40, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"This high of a standard" is wrong; Wikipedia has always had "high" standards for pages. This rule even applies to non-fictional elements, in fact, it's already listed in WP:GNG. It's just that only a few people check these pages and actively check if they are notable, and if I nominate the "hundreds of pages I missed" at the same time, AfD would be overwhelmed. Spinixster (chat!) 15:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Simons, Roxy (2022-11-24). "What happened to Rossi's wife? Joe Mantegna on 'Criminal Minds: Evolution'". Newsweek. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  2. ^ Longeretta, Emily (2022-11-24). "'Criminal Minds: Evolution' Cast on David Rossi's Shocking Loss and Garcia's Romantic Future With Alvez". Variety. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  3. ^ Shomer, Jason (2023-03-11). "Criminal Minds: Evolution's Showrunner Never Seriously Considered Killing Rossi". Looper. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  4. ^ Dumaraog, Ana (2022-11-25). "Criminal Minds: Evolution Premiere's Rossi Reveal Explained By Showrunner". ScreenRant. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  5. ^ McCormack, Olivia (2022-11-25). "'Criminal Minds' is back. Where are the characters now?". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  6. ^ "Rossi Gets His Groove Back in This Exclusive Criminal Minds: Evolution Sneak Peek". TVGuide.com. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  7. ^ Schaefer |, Stephen (2022-11-20). "Joe Mantegna reboots role for 'Criminal Minds: Evolution'". Boston Herald. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  8. ^ "Criminal Minds ' Joe Mantegna Films Final Episode After 12 Years: 'I'll Miss Playing David Rossi'". Yahoo Entertainment. 2019-05-14. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  9. ^ published, Britt Lawrence (2018-09-25). "Criminal Minds Is Giving Rossi Some Romance In Season 14". CINEMABLEND. Retrieved 2023-09-28.
  10. ^ Ramos, Dino-Ray (2020-02-20). "'Criminal Minds' Series Finale: The BAU Gang Hunts Down Its Final Psychopath Before Giving A Tearful Goodbye". Deadline. Retrieved 2023-09-28.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 01:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect due to no reception/analysis sections. Ping me if they are added and I'll reconsider, but for now I am AGFing criticism of the sources above. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the sources El cid, el campeador provided. The article needs work – mainly addition of reception, casting and development (real life info) – but this can be done without the article being deleted. If it is not kept, it should be merged into the character list. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 23:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I have already said what I said about the sources above. They do not talk extensively about the character. Spinixster (chat!) 02:44, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, divided between those advocating Keep and those arguing for a Merge/Redirect. A source analysis would be helpful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per those above. There is sufficient coverage of this character to support a separate article. BD2412 T 01:23, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/David_Rossi

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