Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Interstellarity
[edit]There is clear consensus among uninvolved administrators to lift the page restriction at Watergate scandal. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:21, 27 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Interstellarity[edit]I am requesting that the sanction be lifted since there hasn't been any recent edits that would be sanctioned. The most recent edits seem to be simple vandalism and deletion of content that can be handled with normal Wikipedia policy and not under WP:AP2. Statement by JzG[edit]Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Interstellarity[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)[edit]Result of the appeal by Interstellarity[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by FormalDude
[edit]The imposed restrictions at Ron DeSantis 2024 presidential campaign are reverted, though the page remains under the WP:CT/AP contentious topic. BD2412 is reminded that pages under a contentious topic do not automatically fall under restrictions such as "1RR" or "consensus required", which can be imposed by uninvolved administrators when it's deemed needed to prevent disruption. Isabelle Belato 🏳🌈 14:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC) |
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To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by FormalDude[edit]WP:CTOP states that page restrictions may be imposed by a single uninvolved administrator, and BD2412 had made 51 edits to Ron DeSantis 2024 presidential campaign and at least eight edits to its talk page prior to implementing the page restrictions, as such they appear actively involved with the article. Furthermore their implementation of these restrictions came after getting into a dispute with an editor, which gives the perception that it was reactionary. See this thread for that conflict, as well as where I asked them to reconsider their original decision.
Additionally, the page does not have the level of edit warring or instability that would be expected for 1RR and BRD to apply. BD2412 stated that "
Statement by BD2412[edit]I think it's rather unrealistic to act as though the article for a leading American presidential campaign is going to fall outside of the general issues recognized by Arbcom as plaguing post-1992 American political issues even at much lower levels. The issue is not vandalism, per se, but the inherent fact that editors will be motivated to shape the narrative one way or the other, and will boldly make (and restore) contentious changes. The proposal made earlier on the talk page to semi-protect the article, while premature, is worth considering as well. If the template should be removed because I am an involved editor (and, in fact, the creator of the article, as I am with many campaign topics, which insures their consistent presentation across the encyclopedia), then it should immediately be readded by the removing administrator under their own steam in advance of the escalation of slow-motion edit wars that experience teaches will come to this article. BD2412 T 22:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by ElijahPepe[edit]As the foremost editor of said article, BD2412 is involved in this article and was involved in two discussions on the talk page, including one to rewrite the lede. This article has faced sparse, if any, acts of vandalism. In the last three days, I could only find two acts of vandalism, with the second act occurring after 1RR was enacted on this article. While I appreciate his contributions, the decision to 1RR was made swiftly and without casus belli. Standard procedures to reach a conclusion with the lede were followed and there was no sign of disruption. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by FormalDude[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)[edit]Result of the appeal by FormalDude[edit]
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Ruach Chayim
[edit]Indeffed under NOTHERE. Courcelles (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Ruach Chayim[edit]
Discussion concerning Ruach Chayim[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Ruach Chayim[edit]Greeting. Per the talk page, it is voted to state "Kosovo, officially the Republic of Kosovo, is a country in Southeast Europe with partial diplomatic recognition." You changed it without any previous discussion. I just reverted it. What did You expect to happen? Other "issues" (like Tayna) are already resolved, except the Serbian districts but I will work on them tomorrow on the talk page. Ruach Chayim (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Vanjagenije[edit]I just want to point out that both of Ruach Chayim's recent edits on Kosovo that are cited here ([5][6]) represent effort to restore to the text agreed upon on the talk page. In a rfc (see Talk:Kosovo#RFC), a consensus was reached that the lead section should be "Kosovo, officially the Republic of Kosovo, is a country in Southeast Europe with partial diplomatic recognition." In both of those edits, Ruach Chayim restored the "partial diplomatic recognition" part that was removed by other editors contrary to the consensus. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by Ktrimi991[edit]Vanjagenije, you could have also pointed out that RC has breached the 1RR on Kosovo. Editors are not allowed to make more than 1 revert there in 24 hours. Pinging admins familiar with the editor, maybe they have sth to say. @Daniel Case: @Drmies: @Ponyo:. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by AlexBachmann[edit](In response to Ruach Chayim) That's speculative, I think Ktrimi knows better if he does care about the content or not. AlexBachmann (talk) 23:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Additional commment by Fut.Perf.[edit]Update: It is disappointing to see that Ruach Chayim's double bright-line violation of the article-specific sanction ("you are required to discuss any content reversions on the article talk page") not only has remained unsanctioned so far, but was followed up by 3 instances of the same bright-line violation by 3 different editors on both sides of the issue [10][11][12], including one by admin Vanjagenije, who previously commented here just above. I had opened a talk page discussion two days ago, and so far not a single editor has bothered to engage. Maybe admins should revoke that article sanction, if nobody is willing to enforce it any longer. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by 192.76.8.86[edit]I raised concerns about this editor's contributions in this topic area about a month ago in an AN thread they started [13], but that discussion was rapidly shut down before anyone really had a chance to look at the evidence I had provided [14]. I'll quote the relevant section of my comment here:
I find myself in agreement with the comment made by Drmies. 192.76.8.86 (talk) 17:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Ruach Chayim[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Toa Nidhiki05
[edit]Appeal declined. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Toa Nidhiki05[edit]Since the topic ban six months ago, I've had time to reflect on my actions and find them to be unacceptable and embarrassing. I allowed myself to behave poorly in a topic area that doesn't need poor behavior. Ultimately, while I do feel I wasn't the only one at fault in these disputes, the only one responsible for my actions was myself, and the enforcement action was a result of that behavior. While I can't take back what I did then - edit warring and acting in poor faith towards others - I can commit to not behaving in such a way in the future. I do feel like I have made valuable contributions in this area and can do so in the future. I would be more than open to alternatives that allow me to engage productively in this area, including things like a 1RR restriction. Toa Nidhiki05 17:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
In response to the claims from Black Kite, the claim I've been inactive is pretty silly. I do a substantial amount of work in draft userspace, and got The Beautiful Letdown up to GA. That being said, some users seem to think a lack of editing is good, and others think it's bad, so it would be nice to have some clarity as to what exactly is expected. It's abundantly clear now how this is going, so dragging this out probably won't be helpful to anyone. Toa Nidhiki05 02:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC) Drmies, what would you specifically like me to address that I haven't? I'm not exactly clear on this. Toa Nidhiki05 23:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Guerillero[edit]Statement by Generalrelative[edit]Toa, I'm happy to see this request. I think that you have a lot of drive to improve the encyclopedia, and it would be great if you could bring that back to the AP2 topic area. In furtherance of that goal, would you be willing to comment specifically on whether you see anything wrong with your behavior in this talk page discussion, and if so what you would do differently next time? Generalrelative (talk) 18:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Black Kite[edit]I think enough time has passed without any interaction with TN05 for me to be uninvolved here, but I will move this to here for the sake of argument. My statement at the original discussion is here. My viewpoint has not changed. In addition, I note that in the six months of the ban, TN05 has made 146 mainspace edits. Prior to the block, 146 mainspace edits were made in just over a month (29 September 2022 to 5 November 2022). They also have made a lot of negative edits on the BLPs of Democratic politicians, especially non-white females such as Ilhan Omar, Karine Jean-Pierre and Stacey Abrams (and white females such as Rebekah Jones) - please note that I'm not accusing them of sexism or racism, because they're quite happy to add positive comments to non-white female Republican BLPs such as Mayra Flores. So it's simply a political thing, but for some reason those BLPs are easy targets - they don't appear to have done the same to white male BLPs of either political stripe. Also so many of their edits are reverts [27] it just looks like they would be best staying away from AP2 for the time being. Black Kite (talk) 19:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by starship.paint[edit]It's OK to have a POV. It's OK to insert negative material on BLP pages as long as it is reliably sourced and follows WP:NPOV. But, I am reminded of the second link raised by Generalrelative above, and it is not OK to have your POV override reliable sources. In that incident, the presiding judge said that in Stacey Abrams lawsuit, there were wins and losses for both sides, and reliable souces highlighted this statement from the judge in their reporting. TN05 dismissed this as the judge being
Statement by (Springee)[edit]I understand the concern El_C and others have raised regarding a limited number of edits and waiting things out. As an alternative to simply saying no, would a limited allowance/probationary period be an option here? Something where TN could show they get it by being given a short rope? I don't think we should assume that nothing has changed in TN's thinking after being told to sit out for 6 months. What about something like a 1RR AP2 limit? If the issue was talk page conduct then perhaps a reply limit or a strict rule against commenting on other editors. This new limitation could be appealed in 6 months. Thus TN would have a chance to show they have changed while the community wouldn't have to deal with a whole new ARE if things are an issue again. Springee (talk) 11:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by Dennis Brown[edit]No comment on the merits at this time, but in reply to Springee, the topic ban IS a probationary period. It is in leau of being indef blocked, which is a stronger (but highly effection) sanction to prevent disruption. They have rope, and to use it without hanging themselves only requires they edit often enough, for an extended period of time, and in a way that benefits enwp, and is clearly within policy and doesn't cause disruption. At first glance, they don't appear to have passed that bar yet. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 02:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC) Statement by FormalDude[edit]Largely agree with Black Kite and am unsatisfied with their answers to Drimes. They've failed to address the clear POV-pushing that was demonstrated in the report that lead to this block, instead denying it and apologizing only for their incivility. What that tells me is that we'll just see civil POV-pushing going forward. ––FormalDude (talk) 04:59, 1 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Toa Nidhiki05[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by (uninvolved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)[edit]Result of the appeal by Toa Nidhiki05[edit]
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Homme
[edit]Indeffed as regular admin action, now CU-blocked for socking. Report further socking to AIV or SPI. Courcelles (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Homme[edit]
Discussion concerning Homme[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Homme[edit]What kind of statement is expected from me? Do I get it right that somebody wants to punish me for calling men men and women women? You guys really enjoy being ridiculous and cancelling everybody who dares to speak out, do not you? Homme (talk) 13:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by 192.76.8.87[edit]@ScottishFinnishRadish and Courcelles: They're now socking as HommeRenaissant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). 192.76.8.87 (talk) 11:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Homme[edit]
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Amaaretz
[edit]Amaaretz was not properly notified prior to making the edits which breached the 50/300 rule, but has been so notified now, and has not engaged in further violations since. Amaaretz is cautioned that their edits were in violation of that rule, and now that notification has been made, further edits which violate the 50/300 rule or otherwise cause disruption can be cause for sanction. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC) |
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I told him at his talkpage about the 500/30 rule:[37] despite this he continued to violate it:[38] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
Seraphimblade, I notified him at his talkpage before his last edit. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:57, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by DarrellWinkler
[edit]Appeal declined. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:56, 24 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Statement by DarrellWinkler[edit]Requesting a rollback of protection of several articles related to the topic, when so much additional information on the topic has been published, is in no way disruptive or i violation of the editing sanctions of this topic. I would like my ban lifted. DarrellWinkler (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Courcelles[edit]
Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by DarrellWinkler[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Jéské Couriano[edit]This person strikes me as someone who's trying to needlessly and aggressively play devil's-advocate in several American-politics-related contentious topics (they have warnings for AP2, BLP, and now the topic-ban for COVID). I agree with Courcelles that this is likely best solved with an indefinite block; usually when we see people speedrunning the All CTOPs% category they've got too much of an ideological investment to collaborate or are intentionally trying to pick fights, and in either case the general remedy has been to indef them under WP:DE or WP:NOTHERE. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v Source assessment notes 17:25, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by (uninvolved editor 2)[edit]Result of the appeal by DarrellWinkler[edit]
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My very best wishes
[edit]My very best wishes is blocked for two weeks for violating their topic ban under World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. Additionally, under the contentious topic procedures for Eastern Europe, they are topic-banned from the areas of World War II in Eastern Europe and the history of Jews in Eastern Europe, and have been warned that further disruption may result in a full Eastern Europe TBAN without further warning. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 22:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC) | |||
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning My very best wishes[edit]
20 May: My very best wishes was topic-banned from WWII in Poland following a previous arbitration decision.
Alerted about discretionary sanctions or contentious topics in the area of conflict, on the 20 August 2022
This request isn't merely an attempt to formally escalate arguably marginal topic ban violations. I was involved in the recent Totalitarian architecture AfD and observed how many of the findings from the arbitration case apply to the broader area of MVBW's editing. Most of the Totalitarian architecture article, 64% by text, is written by MVBW. It was brought to a second AfD due to synthesis concerns. Half of the AfD participants proposed some sort of WP:TNT option, considering the article to contain synthesis. The statement that "totalitarian architecture" is an architectural style, as well as the thrust of the entire article advocating this viewpoint lacked consensus. Following the AfD discussion, User:Paragon Deku rewritten the article on 24 May to rectify concerns expressed by the AfD participants. Failing to achieve consensus (for "Style of architecture in totalitarian states" - see AfD, for "officially approved... international style" - see AfD and Talk:Totalitarian_architecture#Recent_changes_(WP:OR)), MVBW resorted to edit warring to restore their original claims from 14 July 2021 on 9 June 2023 and again, after being reverted by SnowFire, on 11-13 June 2023 This led to Paragon Deku expressing a feeling of burnout on 14 June 2023 after an evident failure of dispute resolution processes. There were also multiple instances of edit warring to keep the preferred POV in the article prior to the MVBW's topic ban, for example:
I'm bringing up the broader pattern of the MVBW's editing for review as the MVBW's topic ban, in addition to apparently being disregarded by repeated attempts to test its boundaries, failed to improve the editing and talk page behaviour of MVBW in the wider EE topic area, and urging administrators to consider an appropriate enforcement action taking the "Impact on the Eastern Europe topic area (II)" remedy into account.
Special:Diff/1161414284 Discussion concerning My very best wishes[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by My very best wishes[edit]
Statement by Marcelus[edit]As the MVBW edition was about the changes I made to the article and the ongoing discussion between us, I feel obliged to add some context. I have a full understanding of why MVBW made this change in the belief that he was not breaking their ban. In the discussion the topic of "Poland and World War II" was almost completely absent, my edits and discussion were about the whole history of the greeting and its use primarily in the pre-war period. Mainly its use by Ukrainian nationalist organizations. Of course, probably MVBW should have been a bit more careful, but by engaging in an article at first glance completely unrelated to the topic of "Poland and World War II" they understandably lowered their guard more than they would have if they had edited something closer to that topic.Marcelus (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by Adoring nanny[edit]A rule like "stay away from topic X" seems like a difficult one to follow. I should know as I once screwed that up myself[47], though I also noticed my mistake more quickly than MVBW appears to have done. Avoiding articles about topic X is step one. But, as happened both in my case and the case of MVBW, there is the additional problem of avoiding it when topic X comes up in an article about something else. One establishes a mental filter, which is a step in the right direction. But having such a filter engaged at all times is more difficult. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:40, 27 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by Shibbolethink[edit]I'd like to say something here, as someone uninvolved in the area who has interacted with MVBW elsewhere (always civil disagreement, but usually disagreement). I understand where admins below are coming from saying the TBAN should be broadened, but I think it would be excessive and punitive in effect. I think a block of 1 month is more than enough. The holocaust in Poland area was a huge pile of flaming trash, and Wikipedia dropped the ball on many LTAs who received either no sanctions or too lenient ones. I followed the Arb case from the side lines and I completely agree with the recommendation to be very firm with future sanctions, to increase normal durations, etc. Wikipedia had a big issue here, and AC needed to make a strong statement on what our standards are. That impulse is absolutely justified, and usually well-served, but I think may be running a bit too far here. I think User:Barkeep49 below made a good point that I want to underline: TBANning from the entirety of EE would be punitive, rather than preventative. Consider MVBW in total. Their edits in this area are most likely due to having eastern European heritage and some subject-matter knowledge. I understand the problems with their edits in the Holocaust subsection. But I have seen no evidence of such problems elsewhere. I see no evidence of malice or intent in this TBAN violation. Many of their edits in the area overall are of high quality. My impression is that if such a broadened "all EE" TBAN were to be enacted, it would substantially curb MVBW's ability to enjoy and contribute positively to the project, without preventing much, if any, disruption. That, to me, is the very definition of punishment for the sake of it, rather than to prevent problems. I think the message from a 1 month block is perfectly clear: be more careful of your TBAN, MVBW. This is an early stage warning. It gets worse from here.— Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 16:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC) Statement by (editor)[edit]Result concerning My very best wishes[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Lima Bean Farmer
[edit]There is consensus against outright overturning the TBAN imposed by Dreamy Jazz. However, with Dreamy Jazz' consent, the TBAN's scope is modified to post-1992, not post-1932, mirroring the January 2021 amendment to WP:AMPOL. Lima Bean Farmer is encouraged to edit more actively before any subsequent appeal, and reminded that, if they are unsure whether a particular edit or article would be a violation, they can always ask the sanctioning admin or at AN. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 19:08, 5 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by Lima Bean Farmer[edit]I was banned from editing US politics post-1932 for using a sock puppet. This was over two years ago and I deeply regret doing so. The other account was suspended and since then I have not used any other accounts to edit. The only account I’ve used to edit was this one, and I have very carefully edited to not break the topic ban. I feel like I would be a useful editor to help with certain articles that fit my expertise within post-1932 politics, as this is something I have studied extensively. In addition, I have reviewed numerous articles on Wikipedia guidelines regarding contentious and political articles. I feel my editing would be valuable, as it previously was on many other pages. Please lift this ban. Any questions or comments I will be happy to answer, please ping me. Thank you Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 19:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Dreamy Jazz[edit]I have not kept up with this user to know fully whether I would support or oppose this appeal. One concern I have is that there has not been that many edits made since 2020. Based on a quick estimate this user has made less than 500 edits since the topic ban was made indefinite in 2020. This may not be enough edits to prove constructive editing in other topics. However, these edits do seem to have been constructive based on a quick inspection and some of which are made to non-US political articles. I would note that this was made before the conversion to the contentious topics system, so it still is subject to the appeal rules that apply to sanctions less than a year old. If my input is requested, please do ping me so that I see this as I won't be actively watching this. Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 23:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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Prathamers
[edit]User:Prathamers has been indefinitely blocked as a sock. No further action here seems necessary. EdJohnston (talk) 03:47, 8 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Prathamers[edit]
There is a dispute at the talkpage that involves the addition of Eastern European and Iraqi foods that Jewish migrants brought to Palestine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Levantine_cuisine#Addition_of_Eastern_European_and_Iraqi_dishes New user shows up and starts reverting, he continues to revert after I notified him about the 500/30 rule:
Discussion concerning Prathamers[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Prathamers[edit]Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Prathamers[edit]
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ජපස
[edit]Filer Adoring nanny has been blocked by Courcelles as a unilateral AE action. ජපස is informally reminded that the correct response to disruptive editing is to report a user to administrators, not to argue with the user, especially in a designated contentious topic area. Sockpuppetry concerns can be raised at WP:SPI. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 23:59, 11 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning ජපස[edit]
I understand and accept that many see me as a controversial user. I further accept that this will sometimes lead to a personal attack. In such cases, my habit is to go to the user's talk page. Usually, a mutually satisfactory resolution can be found. I don't like the fact that I am filing this complaint based, essentially, on a single interaction. What drove me to it was the continuing and unrelenting hostility. My experience is that users tend to become more reasonable when I raise an issue on their talk page. Here the opposite occurred. Even if, as the user repeatedly stated, I ought to be banned, some sort of reasonable discussion of the matter ought to be possible, leading to a resolution that works for both parties. In this case, by banning me from their talk page, the user shut down such discussion. Due both to my own status and to the brevity of the interaction that led up to this complaint, I request that any sanction the admins impose be limited in scope and/or duration. I would greatly prefer to be resolving this one-on-one with the user. However, that is no longer possible.
Discussion concerning ජපස[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by ජපස[edit]This user does not belong on Wikipedia. See WP:NOTHERE. Furthermore, behavioral evidence points to this user being a sock of blocked users outlined here: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Iran_nuclear_weapons_2/Archive which had two different personalities conflated, but one group of them was this account. The behavioral evidence may be sensitive, so you can e-mail me if you are interested. But here is a (partial) list of the socks:
I don't usually have time for this sort of nonsense. I am not amused. If we need to do this here, go ahead. I have not filed a WP:SPI for this bad actor because I think the behavior evidence associated with their account alone should have been enough to get them kicked off. Kick them off. jps (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2023 (UTC) @Courcelles: I have received your reminder and am very happy to take it on board. If you need to, for whatever reason, feel free to make some sort of formal logged note (I don't know how this stuff is supposed to work anymore, I am happy to say). I hope you understand that I try not to involve myself with WP:AE or other drahmaboards at all if I can help it. They are all risky places, and this has been made all the more clear from various peanut gallery comments and the implied swipes against my character showing up here. I am a little sad that SFR, who I thought I got along with well enough, seems to be holding a grudge against me -- it feels like it might be because of my criticisms of his position in the ArbCom case he is referencing. I could also just be overly sensitive, but that's what these spaces tend to cause, unfortunately. Long and the short of it is I don't like this side of Wikipedia and really would rather not bring any user here if I can help it. Obviously, there are instances where it absolutely must be done, but it is hard to know when that is. Obviously, this particular conflict came to a head, but I have to admit surprise that it did! jps (talk) 17:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Tryptofish (jps)[edit]I'll start by saying that I don't know anything about the sockpuppetry claims. But this complaint is without merit. To a significant extent, it grows out of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Adoring nanny/Essays/Lab Leak Likely (2nd nomination). Jps is being blunt, but is correct in calling out fringe POV-pushing. (As far as I'm concerned, the difference between "willfully ignorant" and either "willful" or "ignorant" alone does not create an AE-level NPA problem.) This does not rise to the level of needing AE action. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Headbomb[edit]All I have to add here is that jps is dropping threats of AE pseudoscience enforcement (also [51]) more than Trump complains about the deep state whenever they can't get their way in edit wars. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by uninvolved Viriditas[edit]This incident is a textbook example of Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing. ජපස (jps) has become impatient and aggressive in the face of fringe POV, which is unfortunate, but understandable. ජපස (jps) has made a remarkable and measurable effort in improving Wikipedia by pointing out issues with fringe POV. In the heat of discussion, human emotions and personalities will often clash, leading to the current status of the report. In any case, the behavioral response from ජපස (jps) to perceived civil POV pushing from Adoring nanny doesn’t rise to the level of sanctions, IMO. As for a boomerang, I will leave that discussion to others. Viriditas (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by PaleoNeonate[edit]My comment is not about jps, but to mention that Adoring Nanny's editing history shows a sustained campaign wasting the community's time for POV pushing in the COVID area. It's not surprising that the community ultimately reacts to that, it was a question of time. —PaleoNeonate – 00:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by PackMecEng[edit]
Statement by ScottishFinnishRadish[edit]Wikipedia editors are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other editors; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited.ජපස/jps has some history with issues like this, so maybe a "hey, please don't do that" is in order.Dealing with fringe topics where fringey people push buttons, sealion, and generally edit poorly can certainly lead to stress and lashing out, but that is no different than any other CTOP. Such behavior generally isn't overlooked in those topics just because someone else was editing poorly. One of the things that leads over-taxed editors having to patrol and defend a topic area is that poor editing on either side, and especially when it is on both sides, leads to a toxic shit-show that uninvolved editors don't care to wade into. If one finds themself unable to edit about a topic without making personal attacks, they should step back and take a breather, not contribute to a bad editing environment. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Springee[edit]In looking at jps's comments I think they are walking the CIVIL line. It's one thing to suggest someone has other than good faith motives on a user talk page but doing so on other pages poisons the well. It does nothing to make your arguments logically stronger but it does tend to promote further incivility. jps's concerns may be valid but, per wp:FOC they shouldn't be discussing them on the deletion page in question. I don't support any formal warning but I would say they need to change their approach. As for any sanctions against AN, what evidence has been presented? jps has suggested sock editing. If true then AN should be blocked as a sock. Claims of civil POV pushing need to be handled carefully as one person's POV pushing may be another's reasonable evidence. More importantly, it's OK to suggest/argue for content so long as it's done civilly and doesn't involved edit warring. AN may wrongly argue for some addition but so long as they accept when consensus is against them they shouldn't be sanctioned. Certainly they shouldn't be sanctioned here as the complaint has merit and the claims of socking are basically presented without evidence. Springee (talk) 15:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by KoA[edit]I'll endorse the indef. As someone seeing the interactions as someone uninvolved in that area, I was seeing AD's behavior earlier as really obvious WP:SEALIONING in the interaction with jps with jps being fairly measured in response. It was pretty clear some sort of topic ban from the subject was needed, but I do think Courcelles had a valid point that the POV pushing was apt to just shift around if it was only a topic ban. It was a clearcut WP:NOTHERE case, so I'm kind of surprised AD hadn't been brought here earlier. Coming here for a boomerang just put it well over the top. KoA (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by starship.paint[edit]Agree with Springee, where is the strong evidence needed for a straight indef, User:Courcelles could you cite the evidence that you have seen? starship.paint (exalt) 23:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Horse Eye's Back[edit]Whether or not the user remains indeffed the sock puppetry allegations need to be exhaustively examined, if true (and they do appear to be at least plausible) then the indeff isn't the end of the problem. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Novem Linguae[edit]I agree with the blocking admin that Adoring nanny has been engaging in sealioning. It has not been fun to have Talk:COVID-19 lab leak theory on my watchlist for the last two years. Perhaps this block will help make the COVID-19 origins topic area more pleasant to edit in. There have been sockpuppet allegations made against Adoring nanny (stating that they are connected to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iran nuclear weapons 2), but as far as I can tell no one has filed paperwork at WP:SPI yet. I'd recommend that this be done. If this person has been a sock all along, that'd be good to know and may affect things such as unblock requests. And if not, then it will prevent a rumor from going around. ජපස, would you be willing to file an SPI? You can go to Adoring nanny's userpage, then go to Twinkle -> ARV -> Sockpuppet to file the paperwork fairly easily. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Result concerning ජපස[edit]
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Theheezy
[edit]Indeffed by Courcelles as a regular admin action. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:07, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Theheezy[edit]
I hold these diffs to be self-evident; that they are personalizations, extreme WP:ADVOCACY, and general disruption. jps (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Above, it seems like admins were requesting that we bring more of these instances to them. This one is pretty egregious. Personalization, conspiracy theory promotion, and a general pattern of petty harassment seem to be the M.O. of this user. Amazing that we have so many WP:NOTHERE examples floating around, but here we are. jps (talk) 20:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Theheezy[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Theheezy[edit]
I think WP:INDEF WP:NOTHERE ban is appropriate for my behavior. Theheezy (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Tryptofish (Theheezy)[edit]I just commented about this in an AE thread above: [58], and didn't see this AE thread until after I had posted it. But yes, I think that there is quite a bit of WP:NOTHERE going on. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by JPxG[edit]@Theheezy: The arbitration committee does not, itself, process arbitration enforcement requests. The process is convoluted and poorly explained, which is not any specific people's fault, but here is how it works: "Arbitration" requests are handled by the Committee, and "Arbitration Enforcement" requests are handled by "uninvolved administrators" (as nebulously defined at WP:INVOLVED). jp×g 23:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Theheezy[edit]
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Raj208
[edit]Indeffed by Courcelles as a regular admin action. Johnuniq (talk) 08:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Raj208[edit]
The editing history is not very long and shows a clear pattern.
I propose a WP:NOTHERE block or an AP2 topic ban that may allow them to try editing in other areas. Clearly a user on a mission to right great wrongs since the beginning. Thanks.
Discussion concerning Raj208[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Raj208[edit]Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Raj208[edit]
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Justito
[edit]Indeffed by Bishonen as a regular admin action. Johnuniq (talk) 08:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Justito[edit]
So many, but let's just choose WP:ARBPSEUDO for one.
Etc., etc., etc. I challenge to find recent diffs from this user that are not active WP:PROFRINGE WP:POVPUSH WP:AGENDA edits. What is going on?
Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given. Knock and the door shall be opened. WP:NOTHERE. Same story as before. I'm sorry, all. This is what we deal with all the time.
Discussion concerning Justito[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Justito[edit]How long do I have to respond? This has been confusing trying to figure out what exactly this is and how to respond. Frankly Seems like a huge overreaction and/or attempt to discourage, bother or block people with valid edits you don’t like for personal/political reasons. Going to bed and cant deal with this for a couple of days probably. Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning Justito[edit]
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WikiEditor1234567123
[edit]This request is closed without action at this time. The parties are encouraged to use resources like the reliable sources noticeboard for evaluation of disputed references. WikiEditor1234567123 is warned that, while legends and folklore may in some cases be appropriate for Wikipedia articles or mention in articles about other subjects, it is not acceptable to present them as though they are factual or historical, and any future instances of this may lead to sanction. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning WikiEditor1234567123[edit]
This user is well aware that many of the random folktales he uses are outdated, in a similar now deleted article of his he admitted (although only after admins were involved) his mistakes and promised to use more reasonable sources here. Yet he again tried to do the same thing on a different article recently. Again i contacted an admin in their talk page and this user "dropped it". The admin recommended that i could do the WP:AE even if he dropped his case if he has a history of inserting unreliable folktales then promising to do better but then doing it again. I think i demonstrated with the previously now three deleted articles that he has a history of this. I can explain with more detail on why his folkloric sources are outdated and why they shouldn't be relied upon while ignoring important context but since this report shouldn't exceed 500 words i tried to be more short. The deleted articles and recent article talk page has more details. @Seraphimblade Regarding the 4 month old deleted articles, they were only brought up as this user keeps doing the same as he did there (even though he admitted his mistake only after admins became involved). Wikieditor pushes nationalistic POV by using outdated folktales (note: only the ones that benefit him while he ignores the less complimentary folktales which are in the very same sources he uses.) to claim other people's historical figures or to glorify his nation. Surely this is against Wikipedia's policies and counts as WP:NATIONALIST? Not only does he overly rely on outdated folktales but he also like my 4th diff showed removes Chechen translations without explanations and replaces them with Ingush. The previously deleted articles were only included to demonstrate that he has a history of doing what he did 4-5 days ago in the Aldaman-Gheza article. As for if there should be a discussion on his sources i don't know, this report was more about him cherrypicking and pushing nationalistic POV by using outdated folktales, for example one of his sources like this shows that he cherrypicks outdated folktales when it comes to glorifying his own nation while ignoring parts that speak of folktales about Ingush slave clans, Ingush Semitic ancestry etc. As if this isn't enough his recent edit is a continuation of his series of edits on the Orstkhoy article where he includes Chechen-Orstkhoy/Karabulak conflicts [[67]] (Orstkhoy/Karabulaks is both a Chechen and Ingush tribe) while whitewashing Ingush history by either not including or removing Ingush-Orstkhoy/Karabulak conflicts such as [[68]]. If this isn't Nationalistic editing and pushing a POV then i don't know what it is, it is clearly not building an encyclopedia.
Discussion concerning WikiEditor1234567123[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WikiEditor1234567123[edit]Goddard2000 is, in order to find something against me, bringing up 6 months+ old deleted articles of mine, one of which (Battle of the Assa River) I personally told him should be deleted as I understood my mistake. Back then, I was a very inexperienced user that made a lot of grave mistakes, since then I have added information mostly based on reliable sources and not folktales. Further more, this is a very exaggeration that I do nationalist editing because I once added Category:Ingush people in Aldaman Gheza in haste and should have first discussed with him instead. Although I didn't even add the sentences about Ingush ethnicity in the article, because I first wanted to reach consensus with Goddard2000 as can be seen in the talk page. Later, I dropped the ethnicity debate of Aldaman Gheza, not because an admin interfered as Goddard2000 stated, but because I understood that even in that article (which itself is full of folkloric facts masked as historical, such as the battles of Kabardians with Chechens or the participation of Aldaman Gheza in the Battle of Khachara (1667)), ethnicity shouldn't be based of folklore, and lastly, seeing a source mention him as Cheberloy aristocrat. I replaced Chechen translation with Ingush translation in Kazbek, because I thought that Chechen translation wasn't notable enough to be there. Later I told you I could add it back in talk page of an admin if you wanted. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by (username)[edit]Result concerning WikiEditor1234567123[edit]
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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by InedibleHulk
[edit]The one year block and site ban of InedibleHulk is lifted. InedibleHulk is topic banned from: Gender-related disputes or controversies and associated people and post-1992 politics of the United States. InedibleHulk is further warned that his conduct is very close to exhausting the patience of the community, and that any topic ban violation or other disruption is likely to lead to reinstatement of an indefinite block with the strong possibility that no one may be willing to lift it again. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:22, 13 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action. To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).
Statement by InedibleHulk[edit]It was wrong of me to refer to the Covenant School shooter as a female. I was too trusting of the external sources and not nearly considerate enough of what this might suggest to many transgender editors and readers. I'm not the sort of person who uses a deadname just to be a dick, and wouldn't use one for any reason to refer to a living person. Now, I won't use one to refer to a dead person either, regardless of what the sources say. I don't want any part of this wider culture war or that one article. I also now appreciate how seriously annoying it can be to other editors to be told the same thing (even worded differently) repeatedly, and will stop that, in all discussions. There've been issues with funny, "funny" and confusingly unfunny edit summaries, too; no more in tragic topics. Finally, American politicians, gender controversy and the Florida Panthers are off my menu. With this in mind, I ask for a clear consensus to unban me after three months (on July 13).
Statement by HJ Mitchell[edit]Statement by (involved editor 1)[edit]Statement by (involved editor 2)[edit]Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by InedibleHulk[edit]Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by DrewieStewie[edit]I have editing and discussion history, both procedural and side-banter, with InedibleHulk. I also wasn't involved in the discussion leading to this Arbitration Enforcement sanction. Knowing IH, while I didn't condone the behavior resulting in these sanctions, I also thought one year as imposed by HJ Mitchell was excessive, a view shared with several other editors. It was wrong to refer to the shooter by a deadname repeatedly after several warnings, but a year for incivility for an otherwise net-positive long-term editor was a bit much. IH has acknowledged the wrong of his behavior in his request (and frankly never went to the abhorrent extremes RoxyTheDog did at ANI), and these three months should very well be considered time served. It would be a shame and net-loss to discourage his prolific article-space contributions. I'd support lifting a site ban, lifting the block, and imposing no topic bans on him. I am truly convinced IH will avoid on his own volition the behavior leading to this sanction, and I have full trust and confidence in him as an editor. He's clearly learned his lesson. Incident aside, he's helped lighten tensions elsewhere on talk space before with his witty humor, and Wikipedia needs more of that tension eased. DrewieStewie (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Adoring nanny[edit]One thing I hope all editors, but especially IH, take away from this is that if one disagrees with a policy, violating it is not the answer. I don't agree with WP:DEADNAME. But it's a policy, so I make every effort to follow it. That's the way one needs to handle something like that. Adoring nanny (talk) 02:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Locke Cole[edit]I have a few thoughts:
Ultimately I think this block was made in error and should be removed with all haste so that InedibleHulk can return to editing and contributing to articles. —Locke Cole • t • c 15:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by Thebiguglyalien[edit]Speaking as an uninvolved editor who happened to watch this while it was unfolding but chose not to comment at the time. I do believe that some level of disruption took place and that sanctions were (and still are) appropriate. But a one year block was probably beyond the minimum necessary sanctioning to prevent disruption, and even then I believe InedibleHulk has demonstrated his understanding of the issue and his intention to fix it. I would support an unblock with these conditions:
This is contingent on the fact that there was genuine confusion about this particular GENSEX subject in both the sources and the article's talk page, and I do not believe that InedibleHulk was intentionally deadnaming or trying to push a transphobic POV. The topic ban is purely because he was unable to respect consensus in this area. If he were to attempt to push a transphobic POV, then I would not support any unblock, now or in the future. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC) Statement by Valereee[edit]I blocked IH for a BLP vio a few years ago so I'm going to consider myself involved. I think an unblock with tbans is worth trying. I hate these gigantic tbans, though, and I'd rather see a narrow definition. AP2 is hard to avoid, but American politician bios is not. Gensex is a little easier, but I'd really hate to see IH blocked for a year because someone is stalking them around, finds they fixed a typo at Dwyane Wade, and hauls them back in for a tban vio. Valereee (talk) 15:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Statement by starship.paint[edit]I concur with Valereee, instead of the AP2 ban, I suggest a ban from American politician biographies, plus I propose a ban from edits regarding American politicians. Also, similar to Valereee said, there should not be a block to editing non-GENSEX content on articles only tangentially related to GENSEX (this doesn’t apply to people who are LGBT). starship.paint (exalt) 23:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC) Result of the appeal by InedibleHulk[edit]
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