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page deletion Azevedo[edit]

Hello Seraphimblade, I am possibly the main contributor to the page Mateus Soares de Azevedo that you deleted on July 15 with the comment G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. I understand your decision and I would like to rewrite the page. Could you please restore it and give me a few days to do the necessary amendments? If not, could you copy it in my sandbox [1]? Thank you, João Brum2021 (talk) 20:08, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

João Brum2021, as you have been writing promotional material, please first clarify if you are being paid or otherwise compensated to edit Wikipedia, including being asked or expected to do so as a duty of employment or internship. If so, you will need to make the required disclosures before we proceed. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seraphimblade, I am not at all "paid or otherwise compensated to edit Wikipedia", nor "being asked or expected to do so as a duty of employment or internship". Best, João. João Brum2021 (talk) 21:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing that up, though I find it rather interesting you call yourself the "main contributor" to the article when all you did was add a spam link to some "World Wisdom" site. That aside, I do not undelete advertisements, but if you would like a list of references used in the deleted article I will give you those. I'm afraid, though, that there weren't many of them at all, and they were to things that this individual wrote, rather than what reliable and independent sources wrote about him as necessary to demonstrate notability. If you were to try creating the article again, it would need to be a full biography based upon such reliable, independent source material, not just a bibliography of stuff written by them. If substantial quantities of such reference material does not exist, the individual is not an appropriate subject for an article at all. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 22:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning "possibly the main contributor" I understand you are astonished: I was thinking of the original Portuguese page to which I contributed under an IP before opening an account. Thank you for offering to provide me with the references but, as you say, they will not be very useful. On the other hand, if you would agree to provide me with the Infobox and the Bibliography, it would save me a lot of reconstruction work. First I intend to rewrite the Portuguese page, then, on this basis, the English page. When this one will be finished, and before posting it, I hope you will accept to give me your opinion. João Brum2021 (talk) 16:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I have already stated, I do not restore material from advertisements. I've already advised you regarding the issues with the English article; the page on the Portuguese project is really nothing to do with us here, as that project will have their own policies and practices. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 21:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Dmitri Cherniak deletion[edit]

Following up on your speedy deletion for the page Dmitri Cherniak.

I’ve read both the page deletion guidelines and the notability guidelines.

I am not paid nor employed by the subject though I have met them in the past, as I’ve met many artists in this space. If pages like Xcopy meet the notability guidelines, I don’t see how Cherniak does not qualify.

I made every effort to source every claim in the article to independent sources.

If work could have been done to improve the page, that’s a useful note I would have taken. As such, the speedy delete to me seems a hasty reaction to a top modern artist whose work you seem to simply not know about but has been shown in large global shows and with a corresponding sales record.

Would appreciate clarification before I attempt a resubmition or a bio of a similar artist.

• "Promotional writing"--seemed clear enough to me. Don't forget to log in. Drmies (talk) 19:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Promotional writing” is certainly clear as a rationale, but I don’t know what’s found objectionable without some sort of note. Most of the article was written as a standard list of works and sales. I included a note from ArtNet, an industry source, on Cherniak’s work and cited it - is that inclusion enough to trigger promotional concerns? It would seem like some sort of critical response should be included. And why delete the entire work rather than that single line, if that’s the case?

(Logged in - thanks) Drflet12 (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drflet12, firstly, to be perfectly clear, promotional material is removed. So no, it's not a "hasty reaction", it's how we prevent Wikipedia from being used as a free digital billboard. (And you're even talking promotionally about him here—"top modern artist" indeed.) And remember that other stuff exists is never a valid argument. That aside, the article starts out with fluff (His best-selling work ("best-selling" according to what reliable and independent source?), something that wouldn’t be out of place hanging on a wall in MoMA’s permanent collection, only invested with the unpredictable flukes and rarities that make generative art so addictively collectible. (from a source that sells art, so I'm rather doubting that this is independent anyway, as they stand to gain from pushing his stuff—but regardless, quotes like that might go in a "Reception" section if from an actual independent source, but never in the lead section.) Several other links are to "OpenSea", and are direct links to a page selling his stuff (if I have to tell you why using pages selling his stuff as "reference" links is completely inappropriate, I think we're at the "lost cause" point), and many of the rest are to very poor, unacceptable sources like Medium and tweets, making it look like an attempt at reference bombing. As another example (note this is by no means an exhaustive list of the problems, by the way), another section contains inappropriate fluff quotes like in the tradition of Andy Warhol's Marilyn, or perhaps even more so Chuck Close and a lucid look at what a pop icon looks like now and how she is interpreted—from, again, a blurb on a sales site. Sites selling his stuff are not independent, as they stand to gain from pushing his stuff, and shouldn't be used. Basically—if a substantial quantity of sources which both meet our standards of reliability and are entirely independent of him have written a substantial quantity of in-depth material about this individual, stick to neutrally summarizing what they say, skip the fluff quotes from people selling his stuff, and make sure the article doesn't take a tone of "Look how neat this guy and his stuff are!". If that type of source material doesn't exist, this individual is not an appropriate subject for an article at all. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 21:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very helpful feedback - thank you. I know your point in writing this was to slam back a bit too, but it is actually helpful - my intent in linking to things like Opensea pages was more to substantiate a given statistic, rather than lead to any sort of sale, but I can understand how it can be seen in that light. Linking to gallery pages was similar. I’ll be more judicious with sourcing and summary should I attempt a resubmission and on future articles. I appreciate your explanation. Drflet12 (talk) 22:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the speedy deletion on the accompanying photo - the photo is mine and Crunchbase apparently added their own copyright to my image. I can prove the original is part of a series I took, if there’s a means to do so. Drflet12 (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The image is on Commons, so that's a separate thing. The notice I left on your talk page over there should contain instructions for how to send in proof that you are the copyright holder to VRT. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:01, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of page Tsumyoki[edit]

Hello Seraphimblade I'd like to know more about why the page was deleted under the tag of "advertisement" also if you could restore it, I might be able to put the advert tag and get help from other contributors in having the page fixed Rejoy2003 (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rejoy2003, as you have been involved in writing promotional material, please first clarify if you are being paid or compensated to edit Wikipedia, including being asked or expected to edit as a duty of employment or internship. If so, you will need to make the required disclosures before we proceed. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm not paid or compensated, I believe I'm doing this voluntary Rejoy2003 (talk) 03:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I do not restore advertisements, so the answer to that is "no". As to why, to start with, we've got misrepresentation of a reference in the very first sentence, which was: Nathan Joseph Mendes (born 2001 or 2002) known by his stage name Tsumyoki (pronounced "sue-ma-yoki") or Yoki is an Indian rapper, lyricist, singer, producer and sound engineer from Goa, India. That was "sourced" to a Spotify link featuring his music (it is inappropriate, in and of itself, to generally ever link to that), but in addition, the reference ([2]) does not confirm a single one of those facts. If you use something as a reference, it must confirm each and every fact you claim it to. I will hope that this time was some kind of error, but falsifying or misrepresenting reference material is grounds to be blocked from editing. The next line has two references; one is to Times of India, which is a questionable source but could be okay for something like this which does not deal with a government matter, and one is to YouTube, which is almost always (including in this case) unacceptable. Next: He's the first Goan artiste to be signed by a record label and also the youngest member from Gully Gang Entertainment (don't use fluff terms like "artiste", it is "artist"), and then shortly thereafter, I find another reference falsification—the claim is His stage name; Tsumyoki means vision, productivity and a positive mindset. One "source" cited is that Spotify one, which doesn't confirm anything at all, and the next cited is this one ([3]), which says nothing whatsoever about the meaning of his stage name. Then, we have stuff like His track "Pink Blue" (2022) featuring Bharg has garnered over 620K views on YouTube, Tsumyoki has over 2.7 million channel views on his YouTube Channel (that's just "sourced" to YouTube; unless some reliable and independent source confirmed that as significant, it is meaningless fluff and should be omitted), As of July 2022, Yoki has released over 25 singles, 1 EP and 4 albums with over 100K monthly listeners on Spotify. (see above), next sentence is yet another YouTube citation for some fluff award...and it just goes on and on like that; that is a sampling of the problems, but by no means an exhaustive list of them.

I see you've already had repeated warnings on your talk page, for everything from violating copyright to writing non-notable material to previous issues with promotional content. I am about a hair away from blocking you at this point, since now we've got falsifying sources added on top of all that. I would very, very strongly recommend that, until you develop more skill at editing, you create any new article as a draft and request review from articles for creation rather than trying to create it in mainspace yourself—you are very clearly not ready to do that yet. If you create one more inappropriate article, or absolutely if you falsify or misrepresent a source again, it is very likely you will be blocked. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:54, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Uh you might wanna check ref 3 again it does mention his stage name meaning also as it does in the Spotify page Rejoy2003 (talk) 04:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, it looks like in some non-searchable text, the Spotify link does have him talking about what his name means (though, we'd still probably want to say that it's what he states it to mean, if it's just from him.) However, it does not clarify anything regarding all of his claimed occupations or the like (I suppose one could state that it's reasonably confirmed that he's a "rapper" and "singer", but nothing about him being a lyricist, producer, or sound enigneer.) Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 04:15, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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