County Dublin[edit]

Your thesis that County Dublin is a "former" county is a misrepresentation of the facts. The page is about County Dublin in general, not specifically about the administrative unit that existed prior to 1994. I refer you to the page on County Cork, which is also about the county in general, and not specifically the County Council administrative unit. The county council administrative unit is given a sub heading within the article. Furthermore the County Cork page references Cork City, which as you may know is not part of the administrative county at all. There is, therefore, a discrepancy between how these two pages are being treated. I suggest you find some more nuanced language than "County Dublin is a former county". Perhaps "... is a former administrative county" would suffice in this case. For further clarity I refer you to [1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.239.203 (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is along and tedious history with this page and all other Irish County pages. In short, the current state of the page reflects the best consensus that could be arrived at. If you feel that you've something new and compelling to bring to the party, bring it to the talk page. Until then, stop edit warring. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:39, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

St Jude's[edit]

Hi, regarding St Judes; I searched EPPI and Google books; it looks like St Jude's was created out of St James' some time between 1861 and 1867. The OSI mapviewer's 25-inch maps are mostly from later than the 6-inch maps (1880-1910) and the 25-inch gives "St Jude's" (though I had to zoom in to the maximum to bring it up, which means you can't see all the letters at once). jnestorius^(talk) 21:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work. Thanks for your labours. So must all 6 townlands of St Jude's be attributed to Castleknock or only some of them? Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Final warning of indefinite block[edit]

PLEASE STOP.
Yesterday I posted this warning at AN/I that I would block anyone making further edits to change, rename or otherwise affect categorisation of GAA-related articles. You made several further edits after that time and were it not for the fact that you have not edited for some hours, I would now be blocking you. However please understand that if you make any further edits of this sort, I will block you indefinitely even if you are not actively editing (ie even if I only become aware of your edits some hours later). Note that indefinite does not mean permanent, and I or any other admin would happily unblock on an assurance from you that you will not make any further edits of that sort until a consensus is reached. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 10:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You will note the time of my peace offer above ("If Brocach and Finnegas will agree to self-impossed ban on all GAA related articles for a period of 2 months, then I will too."). I posted that immediately after reading the ANI thread. You will also note that all the GAA edits that I made were prior to the offer and prior to reading the ANI notice. So there was no intentional breech of the warning. You should also note that the peace offer was thrown back in my face. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:39, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but your peace offer did not neutralise my warning not to edit further. You made further edits after I had expressly warned you and others not to do so. Please don't continue or I will block you, as I will anyone else who does the same. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 13:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All I was saying was that at the time of the edits I was not aware of the warning. It did not appear on my talk page at the time of the edits. Frankly, I'm grateful for the respite that it will bring to the 3 of us. But I am not hopeful that either of the other 2 will get over their ICANTHEARYOU problem anytime soon. Thanks. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:47, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's the reason I didn't block you - my warning was a general one made at AN/I and I accept that you hadn't seen it. If you and everyone else can now simply cease fire until the terms of an armistice are agreed, nobody need be blocked or banned and we can all get back to writing the encyclopaedia. Good luck! Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 15:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category: Southern Levant[edit]

Hey Laurel Lodged,

I'm currently working with you and Oncenawhile on the Southern Levant Category. I see you had originally described that category, and recently changed your description to be more in line with oncenawhile's proposal. To my eyes, the new description is very vaguely worded, while the original was concrete. What was the reason for changing it? "The history, geography, archaeology, and people associated with the southern region of the Levant", which is what was originally written was clear and to the point, and I think worked really well. To go into more detail, it's important that this category, which describes an important historical region in scholarly research, be well-defined and maintained. Thanks! Drsmoo (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Drsmoo: It seemed to be the one that had the least controversy, although was not as thorough. Let's give it a trial for a while. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

TD categories[edit]

Hi, its a good idea to refine the TD categories by party and you have been doing. I have taken the liberty of using TDs in the name, e.g. Category:Progressive Democrats TDs instead of Teachtaí Dála. I think this is more succinct, easier to spell, easier to pronounce and follows the current convention for MPs, e.g. parent is Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom by political party and all the sub cats have MPs in the title, e.g. Category:Conservative Party (UK) MPs. Snappy (talk) 19:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Athletics in Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown[edit]

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Category:Religious leaders in New Zealand[edit]

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Current monarchies[edit]

There was no consensus to delete Category:Current monarchies in the last deletion discussion.

Please put a link to a superseding discussion on the category's talk page so everyone knows why you emptied the category, or, if no such discussion has taken place, please:

• Consider adding sub-categories to the category, but only if those sub-categories are true sub-categories, and
• Restore any articles that rightfully belong in Category:Current monarchies and which are not in a sub-category back to that category.

This link from archive.org may be of some help.

If you believe the category is not needed, please nominate it for discussion, but please do the cleanup/restoration work first. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have not deleted it. I will consider adding true sub-categories to the category if I find any. I will restore any articles that rightfully belong in it. None of the articles that I moved fits this description; all are now diffused to their proper lowest categorical home. I already nominated it and so will not be doing so again. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is now empty after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_13#Monarchies. Moreover, I have nominated Category:Former constitutional monarchies for conversion to a list. – Fayenatic London 20:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Districts of Northern Ireland, 2015-present[edit]

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Anglican and Lutheran saints[edit]

I was going to isolate pre-Reformation Anglican and Lutheran saints just in order to have a more structured discussion about them. This is not as straightforward as ancient and early medieval saints with respect to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches. Nearly all ancient and early medieval saints are recognized by the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches so removing the denominational categories did not do any harm. But here, not all high and late medieval saints are recognized by any of the Anglican or Lutheran churches, which poses a categorization problem for articles. For example, with Anselm of Canterbury we might remove all denominational saints categories, including the Roman Catholic one, and just leave it to Christian saint. But other very similar saints who are not recognized by the Anglican and Lutheran churches, could be kept as Roman Catholic. That seems inconsistent. So I'm not saying we should keep the both Anglican and Lutheran pre-Reformation categories by all means, but at least we should think a bit about how the alternative may look like. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have an example of a high or late medieval saint not recognized by any of the Anglican or Lutheran churches? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:37, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Follow-up: see this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you revert my edits?[edit]

You have reverted two edits I made today on the pages Ormond (surname) and Osraige, but offered no explanation as to why. These edits specifically: [2] [3]. Why have you done this? If you don't respond promptly, I'll just redo the edits. --Hibernian (talk) 18:22, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:S-par/ie/oi[edit]

Hi Laurel Lodged

At TfD March 3, you nominated {{S-par/ie/oi}} for deletion.

I reckoned that if the succession boxes were used as designed, then the real problems which you identified would be avoided. So I tested it on a series of biogs of TDs, and posted an explanation at the TfD discussion, complete with links to the examples I created.

This seems so far to have persuaded most other participants in the discussion, but it would be helpful to have some input from the nominator. If you have a few minutes, would you be kind enough to respond at TfD with your thoughts?

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:48, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Grand Duchy of Lithuania[edit]

Hi, I'm listifying Category:Former constitutional monarchies, and have finished except for Grand Duchy of Lithuania which you added into that category last year: [4]. The article doesn't seem to mention the constitutional aspect of its monarchy; do you have a citation for it? – Fayenatic London 20:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you find one, please add it to the list in Constitutional_monarchy#Former_constitutional_monarchies. Meanwhile, I'll delete the category. – Fayenatic London 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Greco-Roman to Classical antiquity[edit]

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Roman Catholic dioceses in Africa[edit]

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RFC at Southern Levant[edit]

As you were involved in the DRN, I thought I'd let you know about the current RFC on the Southern Levant talk page here Drsmoo (talk) 09:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Categories[edit]

Please see the parent category at Category:Politicians convicted of crimes. The scope has been there for many years, it is not one made up just Ireland related articles.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 19:26, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DHC within right reverted the IP Laurel so the reimposition of those categories should be discussed at talk, otherwise the article should stay to the version prior to the IPs contested edit not DHC's. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:39, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Double Dutch[edit]

I have suggested change for Category:Sportspeople by province in the Netherlands and Category:People by province in the Netherlands. As an expert on such categories, could you take a look at the discussions? gidonb (talk) 04:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Southern Levant for deletion[edit]

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Church of Ireland, Wales categories[edit]

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Butler dates[edit]

Hey there. I am trying to increase the consistency of the display of birth and death dates in biographical articles. My edits are simple housekeeping edits that do not involve adding new information to the article. The birth and death dates are already present in the article in some way. I've gone through hundreds of articles recently, and it is always possible I made a error. Could you link the article(s) in question? Omegastar (talk) 17:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - my bad. I didn't notice that the extra dates were elsewhere in the articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge[edit]

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Comment on Luxembourg[edit]

Hi; I see the Luxembourg discussion is closed. Regarding your comment, which I didn't get a chance to read until it was closed: the reason I think it's a valid criticism is because people can search for the words "Luxembourg" + "city" without an intent of searching for the City of Luxembourg/Luxembourg City. It's the same reason we get a bunch of hits for "England" + "city" even though there is no city referred to commonly as "England City". Anyway, moot now I guess. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:56, 29 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Roman Forts[edit]

Under the new organization, isn't Roman forts still entirely unnecessary? If we have it down to types, shouldn't it be removed? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. But it is only now redundant. A lot of work (by me) was necessary to make it redundant. @Iazyges: You can submit "upmerge to Roman fortification in Foo" proposals if you like. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Grandfather" categories[edit]

Will you kindly explain why you say that the categories

Artillery]]

Naval armour]]

and

Ironclad warships]]

are grandfather categories in the context of the Fortress of Humaitá article, and hence deleted by you? Grandfathers of precisely which grandchildren categories already listed in the article?

Likewise, please explain why in the article Passage of Humaitá you deleted the categories

Geopolitics]]

International relations theory]]

Political geography]]

Artillery]]

Naval armour]]?

Why do you say these are grandfather categories? Of what grandchildren? Ttocserp 13:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

They are "grandfather" categories because they are at the top of a structured tree. One never places articles at the top of the tree as it would soon become unreadable and unnavigable. Articles are always diffused to the lowest leaf of a tree. Clicking the lowest category allows you to work upwards until you eventually get to the highest point of the tree. This usually has few articles and consists mostly of son / grandson and great-grandson categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:16, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your exposition of the principle. What I am still asking you for, however, is why you say the principle applies in these particular cases. Thus

A. In the Passage of Humaitá article:-

1. What justifies the insertion of the non-existent (and illiterate) category "Fortifications in Parguay"?

2. What justifies the deletion of the category "Geopolitics" -- i.e. what more specific category (if any) did you replace it with in this article?

3. What justifies the deletion of the category "International relations theory" -- i.e. what more specific category did you replace it with in this article?

4. ... and so on for all the other deleted categories I asked you about above?

B. The same for the Fortress of Humaitá article. Ttocserp 15:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Please do not delete any categories from the page Fortress of Humaitá again without discussing it on the Talk page for that article. Ttocserp 12:28, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear Laurel Lodge. I believe you are not being responsive to real concerns I have, possibly because I didn't explain them well enough. I'll try further.

(a) Do you and I agree it's desirable to avoid grandfather categories whenever that's possible? I believe we do. Therefore, it is always desirable to delete a grandfather category provided it is replaced by its appropriate subcategories . Agreed?

(b) That must mean, replaced by all of its appropriate subcategories – not just one of them. A "branch" may bear two or more "leaves" that are in fact relevant. Now, in a given WP Article, a grandfather category may embrace more than one subcategory: one subcategory may be appropriate to one part of the Article's subject-matter; another subcategory to a different part. It's therefore important, when deleting the grandfather category, to replace it with both (or if there are more than two, all of them). Do we agree that principle too?

(c) A third principle is that it may happen, albeit rarely, that a grandfather category is the only existing category available that classifies a subject-matter. In other words, there are no existing subcategories into which the relevant subject-matter can fit. In those cases, we must refrain from deleting the grandfather category, or the pathway into the Article from that category will be lost altogether. Do we agree that too?

Now let's see how this applies to some of your recent deletions, taking the article Fortress of Humaitá as a concrete example.

The fortress of Humaitá was not just a physical military installation: its importance in history goes well beyond that. For example, as you can see by reading the Article, it would never have been built in the first place unless there had been ongoing territorial disputes between Paraguay and its neighbours. The fortress was built because of those disputes, and also the building of the fortress exacerbated those disputes (the Brazilians had problems sailing to their province of Mato Grosso). That is why I included the Category: Territorial disputes of Paraguay. Please can you explain why you deleted this?

You deleted Category:Ironclad warships. The Paraguayan war was the first modern war, after the American Civil war, in which iron-armoured warships were actually used; and in the history of developments in naval vessels, the Paraguayan war experience is illuminating yet largely forgotten. Also the ironclad warships made this kind of land fortress almost obsolete. The purpose of WP categories must be to facilitate the pursuit of knowledge by its appropriate classification. How is a student of 19th century ironclad warship history, who does not know already about the Paraguayan war and the relevance of the Paraguayan experience thereto, supposed to find the article Fortress of Humaitá, if the category is deleted?

To students of Geopolitics, Humaitá could be an interesting subject. Here we have the most lethal war in South America (and in proportionate terms, possibly the most lethal war, anywhere), of which Humaitá was an instrumental cause, and possibly the most instrumental cause (because, paradoxically, this defensive system made López feel practically invulnerable, and gamble on being the aggressor). Also, the building of the fortress made Brazil feel threatened, because it feared its ships would prevented from sailing to its own Mato Gross province. Rich material for a student of geopolitics, no? But how is a student of geopolitics supposed to get from there to Humaitá, of which he very possibly never has heard? If you say it was ok to delete the category, what subcategories did you think of substituting to enable him to make that discovery journey?

What I've just said applies to Category:International relations theory.

Now let's look at some of your deletions in the article Passage of Humaitá.

The categories Geopolitics, International relations theory, Political geography, Paraguayan war (!), Nationalism studies, Artillery, and Ironclad warships have been deleted, merely on the ground that they're too abstract, with no attempt, so far as I can see, to identify and substitute more concrete subcategories within those classifications, thus losing the informational content. Please explain this.

In general, to me it seems unwise to delete categories unless one is reasonably familiar with the topics covered by the article, which implies having actually read it with some care. Are you confident that you did so?

Please do not delete categories from either of these two articles until we have reached a principled consensus on this. It is better, pending resolution, to retain (possibly) too abstract categories, than to lose the informational content altogether. Excessively abstract categories can always be refined later.Ttocserp 16:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

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world values survey studies on catholicism[edit]

dear user laurel lodged

the reported results in the catholicism article which you deleted are watertight. get an spss xxiii program, the free wvs file and you will get the same results based on tens of thousands of interviews. i reverted your undo command. user john de norronaJohn de Norrona (talk) 14:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You copied and pasted directly from the PDF and so I have deleted your contribution as a WP:COPYVIO. Don't do it again. Write your own material. Elizium23 (talk) 14:15, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople from Ireland has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:Republic of Ireland association footballers who are not citizens of the Republic of Ireland has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:Chalcedonianism has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Court titles[edit]

Hello. I noticed you moved a number of articles which had the words "High Court" in them to separate pages with "High Court (X)", with X being the country in which the court sits. You did this with the High Court of Australia and the High Court of New Zealand. This should not have been done, because the actual name of those courts was as original named in the articles. See, e.g. the talk page for the High Court of New Zealand, where I have explained why that was inappropriate for that Court. There are also comments on the High Court of Australia talk page. I have not checked other courts, but I suspect the same error may have been replicated with them as well. Please be careful in future with other institutions - and I suggest foreshadowing it on the relevant talk page first. Thanks. -Sagaciouseight (talk) 06:26, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Sagaciouseight that the New Zealand High Court article move should have been discussed on the talk page first. I suggested to them that a requested move discussion be held to decide whether the page should be moved back. However, if you accept Sagaciouseight's evidence on the talk page, let me know and I'll move it back myself without further bureaucracy.-gadfium 19:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that there needs to be a wider discussion about individual countries appropriating what is, essentially, a very generic name. But for the moment, I'm content for this to be rolled back. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. In my opinion, I don't think it is "appropriating" a generic term when a name happens to contain that term within a longer and specific title. Taken to its logical conclusion that would seem to lead to absurd and impractical results. For example, does that mean every "Government of X country" is appropriating the term "Government"? Additionally, I don't really see practically how there could be any confusion about it. For example, I don't see how someone visiting a page titled "High Court of New Zealand" could confuse it with a "High Court" of another country. Sagaciouseight (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also apologies for the method of my original attempt at reversion; I did not know how to reverse a move so my rollback was botched. Sagaciouseight (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Laurel, I was the one who moved the High Court of Australia article back. Like Sagaciouseight I don't really understand your argument, which you have stated in a number of places, about countries "appropriating a generic term;" that in fact is the opposite of what is the case with Australia and NZ - countries that give their court a title which includes their own (non-generic) country name. But more to the point, wikipedia isn't the place for a "wider discussion" about what countries should or shouldn't do! Wikipedia articles should be based on the what actual names are as reported in the sources, whether that's what we editors think they should be or not. I'm still concerned that you moved a number of other articles without discussion (e.g. High Courts of Bhutan, Singapore) and if your reasoning is the same, they should be moved back. Cheers, Melcous (talk) 15:13, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bishops from Ireland has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 February 8#Category:Sports organizations of Austria[edit]

Please note that I have closed this discussion as "rename as nominated". If you think that these categories (not just the Austrian one) should be named "in" their respective countries, not "of" them, feel free to create a new nomination for all of them. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th century in the Kingdom of Great Britain has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Moved[edit]

I moved Civil parishes of Clanwilliam, County Tipperary to Category:Civil parishes of Clanwilliam, County Tipperary as it seemed to be mis-placed. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:28, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

greyhound racing[edit]

All 28 events listed in Category:Greyhound racing competitions in the Republic of Ireland should state Greyhound racing competions in Ireland. The Northern Irish competitions are listed within the 28 events so just amending the category will solve the problem. I can change each event individually if you wish. I don't know how to amend the category and I don't think I am allowed to because they were all switched back when I previously changed them individually. (I think I did not follow the procedure for deleting a category). Anyway many thanks for your help and if you have any questions re- Uk & Irish racing please ask. Racingmanager (talk) 10:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caribbean part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:1708 establishments in the Kingdom of Great Britain has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:1700s establishments in the Kingdom of Great Britain has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Catholicism (term)[edit]

Hello Laurel Lodged,

I wanted to make you aware of discussions concerning the page move discussion you recently participated in at Catholicism (term):

• Catholicism (term)#Merge proposal with Catholic (term)
• Catholicism (term)#Article name concerns (August-September 2017)

Thanks! –Zfish118^⋉talk 07:15, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Great Britain disruptive editing[edit]

If you continue to disrupt wikipedia with nonsense edits such as [5] you will be blocked from editing and face further sanctions. Tim! (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Roman walls[edit]

Hi, Laurel Lodged. Three categories you created—Category:Roman limes by province, Category:Roman walls in Britannia, Category:Roman walls by province—as well as three other similar categories (Category:Roman walls in the United Kingdom, Category:Roman Limes in the United Kingdom, Category:Roman walls in Scotland) were recently emptied and blanked by another user, and it may have been done out of process. Could you take a look? ℯxplicit 01:34, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category:18th century in the Kingdom of Great Britain has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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Rfc notice[edit]

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Your disruptive editing on Socialist Party (Ireland)[edit]

Please end your disruptive editing warring on this page by constantly reverting. You are providing no evidence for why this long standing content should be removed and do not have consensus. You were kindly asked to take the matter to talk, of which you ignored. Where there is dispute it should be taken to talk, not constantly reverted, leading to an edit war, this is extremely disruptive and unhelpful behavior. Helper201 (talk) 16:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

County Dublin doesn't exist???[edit]

You reverted my edits on Castleknock because County Dublin doesn't exist. While it may not continue to exist as a county council, it still exists as a traditional county, and Castleknock is in the traditional county of Dublin. Fingal is not a county and it is merely a county council and I don't see a good reason to revert my edits TMN81 (talk) 18:55, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not true. Please read the article on County Dublin. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:21, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Women in Red World Contest[edit]

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1RR vio[edit]

This - [6] and this [7] are a 1RR violation. I urge you to self-revert.Icewhiz (talk) 11:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Categories:Monasteries suppressed under the Icelandic Reformation listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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February 2018[edit]

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Moldova and Moldavia[edit]

Hi. I happened to notice your comment here, and I felt I needed to clarify something, in the hope of spreading awareness. I don't object to either your vote or the vote result in general, and I do agree that such categories are redundant. I do however notice that your particular comment is based on a commonplace confusion between Moldova and Moldavia -- it's understandable, they have the same name in Romanian, and Moldova is also called Moldavia in various sources; in fact, Moldova takes its name from Moldavia -- sort of like the "Macedonia" issue, only Romanians don't really object to the name being taken. As clarified by the disambiguation page or this map, Moldova is a mere part of the old Moldavia. Moldavia was a principality, a distinct polity up to ca. 1860, when it merged with Wallachia to become Romania. By that point, it had been stripped of a region called Bessarabia, which was included in the Russian Empire. Present-day Moldova is the part of Bessarabia that was created by the Soviets as a distinct republic -- that is to say, it is smaller than a subregion of old Moldavia, and not in fact its legal successor. So when you argue that it is an anachronism to speak of "Moldavian" in the 19th century or whatnot, you have it backwards: there was in fact a Moldavian state at the time (not really an independent polity, as indeed it was mostly subject to other states throughout its existence; but it had a flag, a government, an army, a fleet, and even a constitution, including forms of representation); there was, however, no Moldovan state (as whatever is now Moldova was either the backwoods of Moldavia or, from 1812, an unnamed part of Russian Bessarabia). If you and others keep entertaining that confusion, as many do, we risk messing up category trees and losing precious information. Dahn (talk) 17:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Britain[edit]

I notice you moved this article to United Kingdom in the Roman era. I have moved it back, as "Roman Britain" is the usual name of the period, and the common name therefore. If you still think it should be moved you should open a move request to seek the input of other editors.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 15:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please don’t revert the redirect[edit]

I'm trying to execute a proper move from Hadrut Region to Hadrut Province but the latter article has to be deleted first as does the redirect in order to move Hadrut Region and it's TP to Hadrut Province. The redirect and existing article prevents that from happening - the first attempt at moving was executed incorrectly. Let an administrator do what has to be done, please. ^{Atsme📞📧} 14:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Early categories in Austria[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Austria[edit]

You might want to nominate Category:2nd millennium in the Austrian Empire as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Emptying categories out of process[edit]

Please use the CFD process. I noticed that you have emptied Category:1892 establishments in Austria and presumably others today, without discussion. As you are an experienced editor you are fully aware that emptying categories out-of-process is not a light matter, and could result in sanctions being taken against you.

You made a few nominations of multiple categories earlier this year, the last of which (including the category linked above, which you have just emptied) failed to achieve consensus, and this lack of consensus was explicitly because you had chosen not to comply with previous advice to make a comprehensive nomination for what remained.

If you want help with tagging a large number of categories, Marcocapelle may be willing, or you could make a request at WP:AWB/Tasks.

Please desist from emptying categories without discussion. As for the ones that you have emptied, either repopulate them for discussion, or at least have the diligence to redirect them like the ones that were merged following consensus at earlier CFDs. – Fayenatic London 21:28, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Greece[edit]

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 July 16#Ancient Greece should answer your question. Thank you for the reminder. Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Albert Cashier[edit]

You have previously participated in discussions about the use of gendered pronouns in the biography of Albert Cashier. An Rfc about this topic is taking place at Talk:Albert Cashier, and your comments are welcome. Mathglot (talk) 18:35, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CFD notice[edit]

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Category:Turkey in the Roman era has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Church of Ireland Edits[edit]

Thanks for the edits!

(1) Do you have a reference for this quote conform to the established church whilst at the same time continuing to worship...in the traditional, pre-Reformation manner;

(2) I've only taken this up to 1660, so I'll complete it to end of 18th century as per the heading (the trigger was updating the Charles Leslie article);

Robinvp11 (talk) 09:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WT:IE[edit]

Be so good as to strike though every one of your unfounded allegations against me at WT:IE#Moycullen, viz. "The question has been rendered moot by the actions of @Scolaire", "Apparently, they interpret an invitation to comment, such as this, to mean delete 57% of the sourced content", "No need for that now after the actions of Scolaire", "I see that you and Bastun have failed to condemn his behaviour.". I did not delete 57% of content; I deleted 20 words. Five days after The Banner deleted large amounts of content. The conflict, such as it is, is between you and the Banner. Scolaire (talk) 20:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cut-paste move of Barony of Fassadinin[edit]

Hey, it looks like you tried to reverse the redirect of Barony of Fassadinin and Fassadinin by performing a cut-and-paste move, which is undesirable because it splits the page's edit history. I've filed a request to have the history merged, but in the future please use the method described at WP:SWAP to switch page locations. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that @Rosguill:. Thanks for the help. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Independent Catholics moved to draftspace[edit]

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Category:Former subdivisions of the Republic of Italy has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:Roman fortifications in Roman Egypt has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Congress Poland[edit]

Please stop.

You know well that the discussion at Category_talk:1900s_establishments_in_Congress_Poland#Chronology_categories_for_Congress_Poland has not reached a conclusion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:06, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Last warning, User:Laurel Lodged.

Stop now, or be blocked. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:09, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Populated places in Posen (Prussian province) has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Category:Religion in the British Empire has been nominated for discussion[edit]

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Albert Cashier[edit]

Hi Laurel Lodged, just to advise that, having inserted the material thrice, the next time would put you into WP:3RR territory. You've been here years, etc., so no template  :) but best to be mindful at this juncture. Cheers! ——SerialNumber54129 13:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's a lot worse than just an edit war warning that you're risking. After many years here, you must surely understand the most basic core principles of Wikipedia are Verifiability through citations to reliable sources. And yet, although you surely know this, and though the importance of sources has repeatedly been pointed out to you in the discussion at Talk:Albert Cashier#Fraud, you have still continued to belabor your original ideas about what must, or must not be fraud, based on your own notions of what constitutes fraud without a source to back you up. Your activity in that discussion is starting to be disruptive. Either find a bunch of reliable sources now to back up your assertion of "fraud", or just drop it. Mathglot (talk) 11:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Establishments in Posen (Prussian province)[edit]

• Category:Establishments in Posen (Prussian province) has been nominated for speedy renaming to Category:Establishments in the Province of Posen. Please see WP:CFDS. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Congress Poland chronology categories[edit]

Thank you for reminding me about the inconsistent Congress Poland chronology categories. I have revised my original CFD close, and moved these back to Poland. See Category talk:1900s establishments in Poland.

My templates Template:Poland 1900s estab by year and Template:Poland C20 estab by decade are no longer needed. Nor is your Template:Congress Poland C20 estab by decade; may I delete it? – Fayenatic London 20:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have deleted the two templates that I had created. Do you still oppose deletion of Template:Congress Poland C20 estab by decade? – Fayenatic London 21:08, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I took your silence as a "no", and deleted the page. – Fayenatic London 07:54, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Although you commented about doing something constructive about this on my user page, and in many CFDs, I haven't seen your proposal yet.

User:Beeblebrox/The perfect policy proposal is a recent essay that you might find helpful in preparing your proposal. – Fayenatic London 07:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Decades in Congress Poland[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Events in Congress Poland[edit]

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Empty Categories[edit]

Hello, Laurel Lodged,

I saw your objection that empty category Category:Events in Congress Poland shouldn't be deleted. But as you know, in WP:C1, policy states that empty categories that are not in use or used as redirects, aren't tracking categories and aren't part of a deletion discussion are deleted unless they are occasionally empty and marked with the {{emptycat}} tag. None of these criteria applied to Category:Events in Congress Poland and apparently no editors could find an article to be part of this category. There are no prohibitions against its recreation if there comes a use for this category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cfd[edit]

In your edit to this cfd you've inadvertently removed a closing > so your edit doesn't appear. If I fixed it the 4 tildes would change to me rather than you. Oculi (talk) 20:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:List of Independent Catholics[edit]

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Nomination of List of people born after a failed abortion attempt for deletion[edit]

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Thomas Butler of Garryricken[edit]

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thank you very much for your recent corrections on the article "Thomas Butler of Garryricken". I am a newby in Wikipedia and on an endless learning curve about how to write in Wikipedia. My knowledge of the MOS is still very fragmentary. My problem is aggravated by the fact that my English is second or even third language after German and French. So thanks for your corrections. When I list siblings and children in biographical articles and write list entries like "John (1650-1701), who would become president", I mean to use a "future in the past" tense, not a conditional. As biographies of dead people are written in past tense, I thought I should use future-in-the-past for events more recent than the time that I am looking at. So when I talk about the person's birth and his siblings and I talk about the later life of these siblings, I use future-in-the-past; and similarly when I talk about the children. Perhaps you feel that this is not how an English person would do it? — Another problem is the name of the article. The person who is the subject of the article "Thomas Butler of Garryricken" is called "Thomas Butler of Kilcash" in all the references that I know of, but perhaps I have not found those who do. I do not know how to rename an article and I am not the right person for such a drastic change, which if really needed should certainly be done by a more experience Wikipedian such as you. — The last problem I have is how to call the person who is the subject of the article. You replaced "He" by "Butler". To use the family name is probably the general rule. However, in this case about all the persons named in the article are members of the Butler family. Could one use the first name, which is more distinctive in such a case? With many thanks for your help. Johannes Schade.

Dear Laurel Lodged. Sorry I forgot to sign my post. I have been thinking about my use of the future-in-the-past that you criticised. I now think you are right and that future-in-the-past feels stilted and cumbersome in the lists of siblings and children of biographical articles. I will go through the concerned articles and correct them. Thank you very much for your intervention. Johannes Schade (talk) 07:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Borras->Borris: brilliant edit! I could not possibly have done this as I lack your Irish background! Thank you very much! Besides, do you understand how our John Butler de-jure 15th comes to marry an English girl?

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John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormonde[edit]

Dear Laurel Lodged. I think your latest bout of corrections has substantially improved the article "John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormond". Your English flows much better than mine. I am still busy going through your corrections to learn the lessons you teach me. My main issue at the moment is that I do not understand your edit to the end of the lead, which now reads "it was discovered that the titles had merely been dormant and they were restored to his son". The pronoun "he" seems well to refer to the 15th Earl. However, I thought he died childless. Could this be an error? Besides I find that the "discovery" of the titles being dormant is quite astonishing and may have been the reward given to the 17th Earl for his conversion to the Church of Ireland, but this is just a guess of mine. Johannes Schade (talk) 07:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My bad @Johannes Schade:. I'll fix it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thanks for fixing and for the many improvements you made to the article since that time. Your changes are usually for the better but there is one I wonder about: why do we need to repeat the family name (i.e. Butler) in the list of the 15th Earl's siblings? I will not revert your edit without your agreement, but there are similar lists of siblings and children in about 50 biographical articles that I should change to include the family name for consistency with this one. I am hesitant to do that work without understanding the reasons. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 07:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Laurel Lodged. Your efforts have been rewarded: the article John Butler, 15th Earl of Ormonde has been promoted to C-Class by JoeHebda (perhaps you have already seen). Congratulations! Johannes Schade (talk) 13:53, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Removing content without consensus[edit]

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Actually looking at the talk page and there is clear consensus against your removal of content. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Butler, 16th Earl of Ormonde[edit]

Dear Laurel Lodged. I just saw (a bit late) your correction from the 22 September on the article Walter Butler, 16th Earl of Ormonde where you changed the descriptions of the events in the Timeline (formerly "By date") table to past tense. I thought about this and realised that you are right and I should change. I will therefore go through the Timeline tables of all the articles concerned (about 40) and change them to past tense. I am a bit less convinced about Born -> Birth, especially since you changed Dies -> Died and not -> Death, but there might be a good reason that I do not see. My English teachers always told me that the verb forms should be preferred over the nouns, but perhaps not in that context. This is important because it appears very often. With thanks. Johannes Schade (talk) 10:41, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @Johannes Schade:. I think that you are more correct using "born". Good work on the other Butler articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:21, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I will thus use "Born".Johannes Schade (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MOSDAB[edit]

Hi! RFe this revert: in my edit summary I was referring to MOS:DABREDIR. If you click on that link you'll find yourself in a section of the manual of style for dab pages, which explains the use of redirects in entries.

Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a non-notable entity that would only ever be treated within another article. However, it is a an article-level topic: it's notable in its own right, it used to be a separate article for most of its existence and it could become one again at some point, and even at the moment it's treated in a self-contained section of the article it was merged into. – Uanfala (talk) 10:57, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your approach would be preferable if the Cave of Hira was a separate article. Since it is not, my approach is preferable. Let us not engage @Uanfala: in WP:crystalball gazing about future events. It is what it is. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I encourage you to read MOS:DABREDIR, especially the fourth bullet point. Thanks. – Uanfala (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: I think that sub-section 3.5.2 of the MOS is the relevant section for this issue: "For foreign-language terms, be sure an article exists or could be written for the word or phrase in question. Usually this means that the term has been at least partially adopted into English or is used by specialists.". Since the current name fails that test, then a re-direct is inappropriate. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a foreign-language term in the sense of the section you're citing. The relevant part of the MOS, which I've been trying to get you to look at for some time now, is "A redirect should be used to link to a specific section of an article if the title of that section is more or less synonymous with the disambiguated topic". – Uanfala (talk) 11:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Uanfala: How is it not a not a foreign-language term? Since you won't find that mountain in any English dictionary, sub-section 3.5.2 applies in this case. This dicussion should probably move to the relevant talk page. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That subsection is for foreign-language terms that you would normally find in a bilingual dictionary, say, the Arabic words for "rice", or "cave". The Cave of Hira on the other hand is a geographic location. The entry on the dab page Hira is not for the Arabic word "hira" (in which case it shouldn't have been there in the first place). – Uanfala (talk) 12:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please stop your POV-pushing[edit]

I know you do not like RC-parishes. But removing the category about the RC diocese of Killaloe from the article Kinnitty "because the parish is not mentioned in the article about the RC diocese" is clearly based on poor reading from your side. First of all, there is a nice template about the diocese in the article, secondly the article Roman Catholic Diocese of Killaloe does mention the parish of Kinnitty. So please stop with your removals. The Banner talk 10:02, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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John Butler, 17 th Earl of Ormonde[edit]

Dear Laurel Lodged. I looked at the article John Butler, 17th Earl of Ormonde and noticed that curious addition to the last on the list: "Elizabeth Butler (died 1822), married 1799, Thomas Kavanagh (1767–1837), The MacMorrough." It seems The MacMorrough is a kind of clan leader, and an Irish hereditary title, which I do not really understand. It has been added quite early in the history of the article on 6 May 2009 by a user called Hohenloh, unluckily without any citation. You put it then into bold on 25 November 2011, so I guess you understand why the The MacMorrough should be mentioned and why it should appear in bold in an article about an Earl of Ormond. There is also a The MacMorrough mentioned in the list of siblings. That one has a Wikilink on it which points to an article called Caomhánach. That latter article seems to be written more in Irish than in English and seems to say very little about The MacMorrow. Perhaps you have an idea where to look for references and for how to make this understandable for non-Irish readers of the en-Wikipedia like me. — Besides, I just realised that you are an old man living in a Laurel Lodge home. I am also an old man but still at home with my wife. You might live quite near to me. I am in Bangor, County Down. It seems there are Laurel Lodge homes in Larne, Longford, Dublin and other places. Johannes Schade (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Archbishops of Dublin[edit]

Of course the archbishops relate to a larger area, but they are actually based in, and I think, live in, the city, dont they? To say someone is "from" somewhere can and often does mean that they do what made them notable there. Rathfelder (talk) 09:46, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree @Rathfelder: If the category was called "Clergy in Dublin (city)", then your argument would work. Not only have many archbishops not been from (i.e. born in, or lived a substantial part of their lives in) Dublin city, many have not been from the surrounding counties. Many of the Norman / English archbishops were foreigners and some of them never bothered to even reside in the city. If any individual person is genuinely from the city, then that person should of course be a member of the category; the Archbishops in general, cannot, however, be moved in bulk into the category. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:52, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People of Elizabethan Ireland[edit]

At first glance it seems to me that this is primarily a nationality category for English people in Ireland (although only in the Elizabethan era). What is your opinion? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. The current sole occupant is from County Galway. In principle, they can be English or Irish. It's sufficient that they're in 18th-century & 17th-century spy categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle: I think that the whole Elizabethan tree, outside of England, is just a former of cultural imperialism. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:15, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Laurel Lodge[edit]

I think you might be best places to edit or decide whether or not to keep this new Laurel Lodge article which has just been started or whether to fold it into another page. I thought I would flag it with you anyway.Financefactz (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously?[edit]

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Present tense[edit]

Hey Laurel! Thanks for your contributions--and your support. I really appreciate both. One change you made on Persecution of pagans was to change the verb says to said, and I wanted to let you know, it is a literary convention to always discuss what literary works 'say' in the present tense--they are still saying it whenever we read them. The authors may be past tense, but their writings are always referred to as speaking not as having spoken. I didn't change it back, but the entire rest of the article follows the present tense rule except that one sentence now, so if you could change it back, that would be great.

And Laurel! What's with the love of the word that? I was taught not to use that if the sentence is intelligible without it--especially two of them right after each other! But you aren't the only one I've run into who loves that everywhere--another editor here dinged me on an FA because they wanted thats everywhere too! To them it created clarity, to me it was just clutter! So much of writing style is personal--so I left all your thats in place. Someone out there will like them, I'm sure. Someone not me. Anyway, thanx again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond[edit]

Dear Laurel Lodged. Thank you for your correction in the article "Thomas Butler, 10th Earl of Ormond". As you know English is not my 1st language and I do make mistakes. Several times now you corrected me when I tried to use future-in-the-past and you commented "wrong use of the conditional tense". I was not intending to use conditional mood. I was trying to express that something happened in the past but was a considerable time ahead of the moment where the story, told in past tense, was. The Wikipedia article "Uses of English verb forms" has a paragraph dedicated to future-in-the-past. The example given there is "She knew that she would win the game". I feel this is similar to "Thomas would survive Elizabeth by 11 years", which you corrected to "Thomas survived Elizabeth by 11 years". Obviously, what you propose is right, I mean there is nothing wrong with "Thomas survived Elizabeth by 11 years", but it loses the subtle difference of stressing that Thomas's death was in the future with regard to the normal flow of the narrative. Thanks for your patience that I do not want to abuse. With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 12:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I now have a better understanding of your purpose @Johannes Schade:. You're correct - future-in-the-past is quite subtle. Perhaps I've been too literal. However, in this particular case, I still think that its application would not be as correct as the more literal form. For example, had the story been "...and so just to spite Elizabeth, he went on to father 10 children by 5 different women", then there would be continuity. However, his narrative really ends with Elizabeth's death. I see no notable events beyond her death that could in any was be associated with her presence or lack of presence. Do you agree? Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Laurel Lodged. Yes, I agree. You have a point. I am glad we do understand each other about future-in-the-past as being different from conditional mood. Perhaps I have a tendency to overuse future-in-the-past. With thanks and greetings, Johannes Schade (talk) 14:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Help if you can please[edit]

I know we hardly know each other, but I am in need of help. About a month ago I nominated Biblical criticism for FA. It is getting little enough attention that the coordinator is considering archiving it. This is its second try and I am afraid that would kill it forever. IMO, it is an important topic that deserves to be amongst WP's best. It needs a source review - random checks to be sure sources say what the text claims, so I am asking everyone I know for help. There are too many sources for any one person to do, so if you could even do one, it would be deeply appreciated. Post anything you do here. Please help if you can. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:07, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Catholic congregations[edit]

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Primary Source[edit]

Your edits here, here, here are WP:DISRUPTIVE. I don't think you understand when using primary sources are allowed, so I'll show you. Per, WP:PRIMARY, Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Wikipedia and Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. This means that as long as we're not interpreting the source to say something it is not, we can use it. E.g. we can use "Azerbaijan said this" and then include a source from Azerbaijan. Which is exactly what I had done in the pages you reverted. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 06:09, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Historical context"[edit]

Adding a map of a separatist, unrecognised country to an article about a village that is de jure and de facto controlled by a UN state is not "historical context" as you claimed here, here, here, here and here. And especially adding back the separatist country back to the infobox with a "(de facto)" note near when the village has been confirmed to be under Azerbaijani control is WP:DISRUPTIVE. I'm not giving you a warn for it, but please take note. Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 12:58, 16 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert[edit]

Hello! Why did you reverted this my edit? --Pcaalt (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Because it deleted valuable categories Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Implication[edit]

Hello. Since you've failed to respond for over 2 days about a very weird comment you have left in my talk page here, I'm asking you in your talk page to elaborate on what you implied by So there's a tag team? So much for "goodfaith". I'm assuming WP:GOODFAITH in your comment, therefore wanted to ask you about what you meant. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mosques converted from churches by the Republic of Turkey has been nominated for renaming[edit]

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Queue badly[edit]

@Laurel Lodged:I fell off my chair laughing. I read it with an American accent and everything lol. Thank you for providing some much needed wikihumour (I don't think the other editors will appreciate it though). Have a nice day. Kevo327 (talk) 20:33, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I found some interesting reads on your userpage and I'll read some in a bit, consider yourself doubly appreciated. (I'm apologizing preemptively for when I'll start being a punctuation-Nazi once I read the articles). Kevo327 (talk)

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Nomination of James "Gallda" Butler for deletion[edit]

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St. Maelruain's Church, Tallaght[edit]

Hi Laurel. I've been looking at an article you wrote 10 years ago, St. Maelruain's Church, Tallaght. If you look at it in light of the 10 years of editing experience you've had since you wrote it, I'm sure you'll recognize that it needs attention.

It has been flagged as needing citations. The first citation fails to support the information in the paragraph that the citation appears in. The second citation merely confirms the existence of one of the graves at the church. The third and final citation wasn't a citation at all, but merely a note, which I have converted from a supposed citation to a note. So, really, the article in effect doesn't have any citations at all.

There was a sentence in the article which read: "A survey of the graves was carried out by SDCC...." As a Dubliner, I decided to expand the initialism to South Dublin County Council, but that was merely a guess on my part. If I'm wrong, please correct what I did. To non-Dubliners, SDCC is meaningless.

The Note: "SDCC survey, available (for reference only) in the Local Studies section of the library?" is not really an information note, rather, it is more like a scribbled question by an editor to himself rather than information that is useful to any reader.

Furthermore, the note is a particularly feeble contribution to the encyclopaedia because most readers of Wikipedia cannot visit some unnamed library in Dublin. Once you've looked at the note, you might decide to delete it entirely.

I don't want to spend any more time messing around with it but perhaps it might interest you since it's your creation, and a desire to be proud of your work might give you the motivation I don't have to continue any further with it. — O'Dea (talk) 07:02, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@O'Dea: added a few citations but am not greatly motivated to spend more time on it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not "fix" redirects[edit]

It completely defeats the purpose of redirects if you instead add pipelinks, contra to both WP:NOPIPE and WP:DONOTFIXIT. Please do not "fix" redirects, it is irrational. GPinkerton (talk) 16:48, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GPinkerton: WP:EASTEREGG trumps WP:NOPIPE in this instance. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Aqueduct of Valens; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Aqueduct of Valens, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Please stop trying to force your preferences into the article, it is contrary to the MOS. We do not use puffery of this kind. GPinkerton (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh Category[edit]

Hey! Any specific reason as to why you removed the "Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh" category from the Umudlu article? It's a pretty useful category for gathering all the Artsakh settlements in one category. AntonSamuel (talk) 10:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: Because it was already diffused to the "Populared places in Shahumian province" category which is a child of "Populated places in the Republic of Artsakh". By the way, good solid work on all the village articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I see, though I'd like to re-add the category on the page as it its pretty useful to have it along with the Shahumyan Province category to get an overview of all the settlements in one place other than on the List of cities and towns in Artsakh page, and the category is present on the rest of the Artsakh settlements articles as well, so its prudent to keep it for the sake of consistency. AntonSamuel (talk) 10:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: While it's against the policy of only diffusing to the lowest level, I can see how it's aiding your work in this instance so I'll let it pass. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:26, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks! AntonSamuel (talk) 19:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United Kingdom in the Roman era has been nominated for merging[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Presbyterian congregations[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Protestant congregations[edit]

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Shusha[edit]

Definition of "recapture":

recover (something taken or lost).

^[1]

or

to take something into your possession again, especially by force:

^[2]

Cheers. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 13:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

February 2021[edit]

Your recent editing history at Basilicas in the Catholic Church shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. GPinkerton (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Catholics are a minority - sicut erat in principio ...

If you want Wikipedia to use a minority's unnecessary and POV honorifics, you would be better to make that case in a WP:RM for the Mary, mother of Jesus article. GPinkerton (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@GPinkerton: Isn't this the kind of nasty, bullying, insouciant behaviour that has you before the ArbCom at the moment? I would have thought that you would have wanted to be on your best behaviour while the jury is still out on that case. Alas, pardus maculas non deponit. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, you have fundamentally misunderstood the case. I am requesting the ArbCom step in to quell the kind of religio-nationalist campaign that so often ruins Wikipedia, as you well know. Anyway, please do not insert religious honorifics into Wikipedia, they do not belong. Thanks. GPinkerton (talk) 13:48, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Anglican bishops in Ireland has been nominated for merging[edit]

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Australian Anglican dioceses[edit]

Please don't just rename diocese pages without discussing them - you've changed them to something that is both more complicated than the original title, and also which is inconsistent with how the dioceses themselves refer to themselves. Neither are consistent with Wikipedia practice. Now I have to go and fix all of them, which will take up heaps of time. Deus et lex (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deus et lex: I did not do it without discussion. As I advised you, and other participants, on the WP:CFD, I did so on the emerging consensus on that discussion concerning the the problem with capitalisation of bishops titles, and by extension, diocesan titles. The change is not more complicated as you claim above - the disambiguator makes it much clearer what is in scope. Perhaps you meant to say "longer". Some dioceses prefer to have "Anglican" in their title, others do not and have it as a descriptor. In any case, Precision is preferable to ambiguity. They do not have to be "fixed" if the "fix" that you put in place for Bunbury is an example. There you eliminated a lot of material that can and should go in the lead. That is most unhelpful. Please revert your remaining "fixes". Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop reverting my edits. Your changes are not helpful, they're inconsistent with Australian usage (we don't use terms like "ordinary" and so on). Stop being annoying, either edit properly in a way that is an improvement or leave the pages alone. And putting one line about a bold move is NOT discussion, so don't go and suggest that it is. Deus et lex (talk) 12:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deus et lex: Australian usage? But this is the English language Wiki. The British variant of English is applied in the case of Australian pages. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roman Catholic priests in France has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Roman fortified camps by province[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Roman signal towers by province[edit]

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Name format for Karabakh villages[edit]

Hi! I saw that you moved the Armenian transliteration for a couple of Karabakh villages to the "other name" parameter in the infoboxes - was the purpose of this for aesthetic reasons or something else? I think that having the transliteration next to the Armenian script in the "native name" parameter makes it a bit more clear that it is indeed a transliteration of the name in Armenian script. AntonSamuel (talk) 12:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: I did for all those beginning with "K" in Askeran. It was for for aesthetic reasons. What's your preferred order? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see! I would say that I prefer the established format with the name in Armenian script + the transliteration in the native name parameter, mainly for the sake of clarity, while I can see that aesthetically it can be more of a matter of taste. AntonSamuel (talk) 12:11, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: Do you mean like Jamilli? Would that be a good template to use?

More like the previous state of the articles you edited, such as the Armenian name for Xanqutala (Khnkavan) is presented now, with "Խնկավան • Khnkavan" in the native name parameter. A lot of the Armenian villages in Karabakh/Artsakh are still utilizing the Azerbaijani de jure names as the article titles, while some have been renamed to their common names so the state of the articles aren't uniform at this point. AntonSamuel (talk) 12:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When you @AntonSamuel: edited Jamilli, why did you not use the above format ( "Խնկավան • Khnkavan")? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the village is "Jamilli" in both Armenian and Azerbaijani, as well as the article name, so there is no need to include it twice, I put the Armenian name in the native name parameter as the village had an Armenian population up until the 1960s, but it has been moved since to the other name parameter. AntonSamuel (talk) 13:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Roman Catholic archbishops in Asia has been nominated for renaming[edit]

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Category:Protestant martyrs of the Middle Ages has been nominated for merging[edit]

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Religious leaders[edit]

Bishops are religious leaders. It's supposed to be heirarchical. Rathfelder (talk) 10:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: Agreed. Therefore....? Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So Category:Religious leaders in Belize is a parent of the bishops. It can be a parent of clergy and priests too, but I havent found them yet. Rathfelder (talk) 10:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But I dont think we want both Belizean religious leaders and Religious leaders in Belize. Rathfelder (talk) 10:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: Correct. So it should just be in Religious leaders in Belize since it is "Bishops in Belize". Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fooish religious leaders is the general pattern. Category:Religious leaders by nationality not by country. Rathfelder (talk) 10:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is clearly another mess here. Category:Religious leaders by continent is completely unconnected to Category:Religious leaders by nationality.Rathfelder (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder:Where we have something in a county, then we need not conflate it with nationality. It must go into the parent "by county" category where it exists.. It should not go into the "by nationality" category. For all other situations, the larger question of "by nationality" remains open. It does not arise where something is unambiguously in a country category already. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder:So Category:Bishops in Belize should definitely have Category:Bishops by country as a parent. It is less obvious that Belizean bishops should also have Category:Bishops by country as a parent. That question is still open. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need to work out a scheme which people will accept. It needs to be wider than just bishops. It needs to be able to cope with the confusion between nationality and country. Rathfelder (talk) 11:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Religious leaders in New Zealand[edit]

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Category:Roman Catholic priests by country has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Categorisation of clergy[edit]

My proposal is that we characterise bishops by country, so for each country there is a category of Fooish bishops, then we can have a subcategory of Bishops in Foo - where not all the individual bishops will personally be Fooish - if its needed. Those in the superior category will be the Fooish bishops who served somewhere else. The Bishops in Foo can be subcategorised by diocese in Foo. The migrant bishops will be categorised as Fooish bishops but also as Bishops in Bar. Fooish bishops is ambiguous, and we can exploit this ambiguity so we dont need both country and nationality categories. We clearly cannot have two categories of bishops for the same country. Are you happy with this, or do you have an alternative proposal? Rathfelder (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: I'm not happy with categorisations taking place while category discussions are still live. All such categorisations should cease until a definitive agreement has been reached. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I dont think there is much prospect of a definitive agreement being reached. We will have to work out compromises. I think we did well to get agreement for bishops to be categorised by country rather than nationality. But it's only by doing the work that we can discover what is needed. And I undertook to do that when I proposed the main merger. The things you are objecting to are pretty minor and cane easily be reversed. Rathfelder (talk) 18:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Roman Catholicism in Europe[edit]

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Red link categories[edit]

Hello, Laurel,

Please do not assign nonexistent, red link categories to articles or categories unless you plan on creating these categories yourself. See WP:REDNO for more information. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: I plan to create them. It's not always possible to do so in a timely manner: the real world has a habit of obtruding. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:18, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Pre-Reformation bishops in the United Kingdom[edit]

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Please accept it if consensus is against you[edit]

What you are doing here[10] and at (many?) other places is considered a very poor practice. You nominated Category:1782 disestablishments in Austria for deletion on 1 April 2021: the nomination was closed as "no consensus" the 15th, and the very sameday you empty the category to get the result you wanted anyway. Please revert all these changes and don't try this trick again, as it is severely frowned upon. Fram (talk) 17:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Laurel, do not empty categories out-of-process, especially if you are doing so because you don't agree with a CFD decision. You know better than to do this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How many people have to tell you to stop doing this? [11]. Fram (talk) 13:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish expatriate bishops has been nominated for renaming[edit]

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Category:Irish expatriate protestant bishops has been nominated for renaming[edit]

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Category:Irish expatriate Catholic bishops has been nominated for renaming[edit]

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Category:Irish expatriate Roman Catholic archbishops has been nominated for merging[edit]

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Category:Irish expatriate archbishops has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Emptying categories out-of-process[edit]

Please do not empty categories out-of-process. This could be seen as disruptive editing, especially where there has already been a discussion at CFD which did not result in consensus to delete or merge such categories.

Please now see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 18#Category:Empire of Austria (1867-1918). – Fayenatic London 21:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So, Laurel, you are going to ignore the words of two different administrators and continue to still empty out-of-process this Austrian categories when you disagreed with the WP:CFD? This is disruptive editing and could result in a block. Your opinion is not more important than a consensus decision. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See above; this is still happening, and I just learned that this isn't the first time she didn't have consensus for the same deletions; [12]. There is no problem with trying another CfD for something that ended in no consensus the previous time, but when your proposal failed twice, it is bad practice to start implementing it anyway, and even worse to continue after multiple people have urged you to stop. Fram (talk) 14:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:British expatriate Roman Catholic archbishops[edit]

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WP:ANI discussion now started[edit]

I have started WP:ANI#Emptying categories out of process where I asked the admins to take some action to make you stop. You are invited to join that discussion. Fram (talk) 14:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Catholic provinces in the United Kingdom[edit]

An editor has just emptied Category:Roman_Catholic_provinces_in_the_United_Kingdom (an LL creation) and has resisted my attempts to resurrect it. The same editor failed to have it deleted at cfd and seems to have been biding his time: 2012_October_13#Category:Roman_Catholic_provinces_in_the_United_Kingdom. Oculi (talk) 14:20, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Is it the same person? Rathfelder's English is not as good as the 2012 proposer. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:27, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Rathfelder (who is English) is very much a one-off, and post-2012. Oculi (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Oculi: actually I've just noticed that Category:Roman Catholic ecclesiastical provinces in the United Kingdom exists so that will do. I'll populate it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No point in populating a category with articles that do not for the description of that category. And probably no point in a category that has never had an article written that belongs in it. Kevin McE (talk) 17:57, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting expatriates[edit]

Joseph Srampickal will confound Rathfelder. Christophe Pierre. Jacob Angadiath. Oculi (talk) 22:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Joseph Alessandro. Emanuel Barbara. Francis Baldacchino. Oculi (talk) 21:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Roderic O'Gorman[edit]

Perhaps you could have improved this edit by putting "By the way, HE'S GAY!" in bold text in the caption? Seriously, your POV is showing a little too much... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:57, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Episcopal moves[edit]

I've requested the moves you suggested at speedy: see Talk:Province_9_of_the_Episcopal_Church_in_the_United_States_of_America. Oculi (talk) 17:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Archbishops in New Zealand by diocese[edit]

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Category:New Zealand bishops has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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Ukraine and Lithuania[edit]

How can I get people to see how horrible an idea the Ukraine categories are especially? Why is there no requirement that people who oppose a nomination actually engage with the reasoning of the nominator? Also, is there a way to stop people from creating categories that are just plain wrong and would be imposing a POV on Wikipedia, as would the creation of the Taurida cateogry? Also, is there any way to make sure this discussion does not close with just 6 people having participated, 3 of whom showed absolutely no awareness of the actual geopolitical issues at play.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It might have to go to Category Review. But decisions hardly ever get overturned there. I'm surprised at GoodOl'Factory - he's normally so sensible. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am not. He has doubled down on super ahistorical applications of such things. If he had his way, we would categorize eveything in modern Canada as happening in Canada at least from 1763, even though applying the concept to anything close to the modern boundaries does not come until 1867, and really not until 1870, and Newfoundland and Labrador remain outside its scope until 1949. He is also the main advocate of using South Africa to refer to anything before 1910. I am just getting so very frustrated about the whole thing. Especially now that I have been attacked as somehow an agent of imperial governments for putting forth the straightforward argument that when there are clear government in place, as there were in 1899, and clear boundaries were in place, we should follow them in categorization. I also have to admit I think the worst possible outcome is a scheme where we put anything in more than one by place of establishment category, except things that were clearly established in more than one place, and even those cases need to be handled on a case by case basis. I thin we need to agree to have every thing in only one by place of establishment category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:37, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I am just so frustrated at the whole situation. Micahel Z. seems more and like a radib Ukrainian nationalist who is trying to use Wikipedia to valiadate the long standing national history of Ukraine. He is straight up arguing these categories should reflect 21st-century boundaries back on the past. But both he and Good Olfactory refuse to say yes or no on wether something establshed in Crimea in 1802 belongs in a Ukraine category. This avoidance of the hard questions that show why the category cannot be sustained is one of the most frustrating of all the issues at hand.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:33, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• I am just outreged at Good olfactory insulting my comments as "wall of text". It is his cop out to not in any way deal with [[Taurida Governorate. It is just plain rude and I am tired of him getting away with being rude and condescending towards those who he disagrees with. The refusal of some editors to use reasonable grouping for categories is getting frustrating. I guess I need to get less frustrated about things. I am just tired of so little participation that a very small number of editors control how we categorize things.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient bishops[edit]

In principle I could rename/merge/delete these speedily. Let me know if you want me to do anything of that kind. I'm very happy that you are sorting them out, as you clearly understand the historical geography much better than I do. Rathfelder (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I am so mad[edit]

After spending all the work to nominat the Uknraine and Lithuiania categories, they were kept mainly by the work of editors who refused to even engage with what I wrote. They never even tried to answer my basic questions on definition. This is why I hate doing large scale nominations. Because they take huge amount of work, and then based on their very size it is argued that there is a consensus for the rubbish they represent. I am really, really mad that the fully agreed to 1912 revisions were then overturned even though no one even bothered challenging them. I am just sick of Wikipedia refusing to even try to be historically accurate in categories. I am fed up with trying to improve the project and them being attacked as an imperialist for wanting categories to reflect the actual limits of polities at the time in question. The whole thing is just an unending case of people imposing presentism and ignoring reality.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:27, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnpacklambert: I share your frustration. Gaming of rules is no substitute for academic rigour. It seems we're shopping in the wrong shop. Wiki is no longer what it purports to be. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:8th century in Croatia and other categories nominated for renaming[edit]

Hello Laurel,

Could you please explain and specify why these categories are not complied with categorization guidelines? As for the number of entries in some categories, there are a lot of categories everywhere with only one entry, e.g. [13] or [14]. Don't you think that perhaps you should have started renaming categories dealing with your own country first? As for the modern state of Croatia, none of modern states existed in the 7/8/9th centuries in that form or territory. I can't see what's the problem here. I could only agree with you that the Category:4th-century establishments in Croatia is maybe not appropriate, because there was the Roman province of Dalmatia at that time, and Croats settled there only in the 7th century. But what to do with the Category:Ancient Roman buildings and structures in Croatia for instance? Regards, --Silverije 22:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Magdalene[edit]

Dear Laurel,

I can see you have reversed my edit on Mary Magdalene page. You say no citation was given for the kiss. The citation is in the actual sentence: The Gospel of Philip. The kiss etc... are mentioned in the same article in the section of the Gospel of Philip. Is that incorrect too? Many thanks Sofiairiondo (talk) 11:28, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sofiairiondo: What I meant was that the page number, chapter etc needs to be cited. Else how are we to know that it actually says what you say it says? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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De facto and de jure is the territory of Azerbaijan.[edit]

De facto and de jure is the territory of Azerbaijan. Making a claim does not mean its territory yet. This is an illegal claim. Qolcomaq (talk) 20:36, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Qolcomaq: It depends on who you're talking to. To the claimer, it's a valid claim. To the claimee, it's an invalid claim. It suffices that there is evidence for a claim. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:53, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of evidence are we talking about?. You seem to be Irish. Ireland claims Northern Ireland. There is a state called de jure and de facto Northern Ireland. No matter how much Ireland claims, the fact remains. Qolcomaq (talk) 21:03, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Qolcomaq:The evidence is that that they occupied it for a few decades or more. Military defeat does not extinguish a claim; only a peace treaty does that. Ireland relinquished it's claim to the northern part of the island a few years ago. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:09, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire agreement, the parties exercise control over the occupied territories (remain in the occupied territories). You are fighting for something that has no legal basis.Qolcomaq (talk) 21:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a legal art. There is no status, let alone the Nagorno-Karabakh RepublicQolcomaq (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

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4 way intersections[edit]

4-way intersections may well be a bad idea. We actually have a category though Category:20th-century African-American women opera singers, which is 5/6 way intersection.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnpacklambert: Good grief. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• • It has 2 sister categories as well. I just nominated them for upmerger. Before I did that I went through every article in all 3 categories (about 70 total, the overlap by century is fairly high, 50% between 19th and 20th, even higher than that between 20th and 21st, and yet a few more of the 20th-century cases might have performed in opera in ways in the 21st century that they would belong in that category). This is supposed to be a non-diffusing sub-cat of Category:20th-century American women opera singers, yet for all 3 categories there was no overlap at all with the ethnicity neutral parent was absolutely none. This is exactly why we have to no last rung rule, because the ERGS exception to category diffusion is very confusing, and lots of people do not do it right (not least because we have a for sports, and maybe for acting and singing, exception to the non-diffusion exception, so the whole thing is headache causing and confusing).John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Commons templates[edit]

Hey! Thought I'd give you a tip regarding the Commons templates - it can be a bit confusing, since Commons both has its own articles as well as categories. New York City for example both has an article on Commons as well as being a category [15] [16]

If you want to link to a specific category on Commons, you need to use Template:Commons category.

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AntonSamuel (talk) 19:24, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AntonSamuel: Many thanks. I wondered what was going wrong. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For sure! Just to clarify, using - Commons - within brackets is fine, just don't add anything else within the brackets. AntonSamuel (talk) 21:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

February 2022[edit]

Big scary banner. Blah blah blah. More big scary notices. <Insert shaking in boots emoji>

Even with a source at hand, you create a big mess. It is not "Corofin, Kilnaboy and Rath" but the parish Corofin consisting of the former parishes of Rath and Kilnaboy. The Banner talk 19:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, this sounds that you are deliberately disruptive. And unwilling to do your own research. That is an option, you know??? The Banner talk 11:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is more likely that it is yourself that is attaching undue weight to an informal, local name and ignoring the official name per the diocesan website. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:53, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like your humour. Unfortunately, you are wrong. The Banner talk 12:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, calm down.[edit]

@Laurel Lodged: How about we cool it with the casting aspersions and personal attacks? You've gone after not one, not two, but three different editors in such a short amount of time. When Fram tried to tell you that you weren't being helpful, you went after them instead. Calm down. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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[Thank you for the ping] Not being the one who started it is no excuse. However, I appreciate that you are willing to listen to my points regardless. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 18:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Lachin[edit]

You Lachin page you UNDO my edit with comments that "Undid revision 1073943544 by Abrvagl (talk) restore sourced material that was removed without explanation". As you can see on the talk page, I not removed the source without explanation. Page was edited by the ZaniGiovanni, where his edit not exactly reflects what stated in the provided source. So it is not removal without explanation, in is removal of content added without reaching consensus. Discussions are ongoing in the talk page, and you also joined them.

Can you please revert you last edit? we will include information as soon as we reach consensus.

Thanks ,

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Could you please explain your edits to me because I don't understand[edit]

We have the dif here. What you wrote is: "On 2 March, The New York Times cited US officials who claimed that China had requested that Russia delay the invasion until after the completion of the Beijing Winter Olympics. China's propaganda blamed the US and NATO for the current situation in Ukraine, Despite this, the invasion reportedly shocked many in China's establishment. Yun Sun, the director of the China Program at the Stimson Center, stated that China did not expect a full invasion, but rather a limited engagement in the east."

This doesn't make sense, the grammar is of course incorrect but more than that it doesn't make sense. What was originally written, in a nut shell, was that 'China requested that Russia delay the invasion, despite this the invasion reportedly shocked China's establishment, Yun Sun said it's because they thought the engagement would be limited to the east.' The despite is there because the two ideas are contrasting, on the one hand China requests that Russia waits, on the other hand they're surprised by the invasion. What you've written is that China's establishment is surprised by the invasion despite the propaganda that blames the US. To me that does not make sense. China's establishment makes the propaganda so they are surprised before the propaganda even exists. Now then I have added here specifically about Chinese propaganda, diplomats, etc. that are supporting Russia and echoing their accusations of biological weapons etc. Which makes smart use of space since the US and UK are alleging that Russia may use those false claims to justify use of Chemical weapons. I was wondering if you can explain the edit to me because I don't get it. Alcibiades979 (talk) 14:59, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alcibiades979: I think that the problem might lie with the date of the reporting rather than the date of the events. The actual sequence is more likely to be (1) China blames the US (2) China expects delay until after Olymics (3) China surprized at no delay. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Categorisation of clergy[edit]

I dont think we have a fundamental difference about this. I think we agree that the location clergy operate in is more significant that their personal nationality. If I put a category of bishops into a category of priests by century and denomination that is not intended to imply anything about anyone's nationality. Your arguments about the nationality of bishops apply just as much to priests, who may also not be nationals of the country they operate in. In fact it is extremely rare for clerical biographies to say anything explicit about anyone's nationality. But if the Anglican priests in India are to be categorised as Indian there is no reason to treat the bishops differently - they too are officially part of the Indian church, and I think its important to connect the bishops to other categories by occupation, location and century. There are actually plenty of articles in Category:People by nationality and occupation about people who are actually not of the specified nationality. As far as I can see there is nothing in the categories of Category:Anglican clergy which talks about nationality. If you think the present categories are misleading we could perhaps rename some of them. Category:Indian Anglican priests could become Anglican priests in India. Rathfelder (talk) 17:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: "I think we agree that the location clergy operate in is more significant that their personal nationality." I disagree. They are of equal importance. We need not choose which one to apply. We can apply both. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: "If I put a category of bishops into a category of priests by century and denomination that is not intended to imply anything about anyone's nationality." Whether that is your intent, it is, unfortunately, the effect. A man might well be a priest who was born on Germany, which makes him a German priest. He might then go on to be appointed the Bishop of Stockholm, which would make him a Bishop in Sweden. So then, for that man, it is entirely appropriate to categorise him as "21st-century German Roman Catholic priests", "21st-century German Roman Catholic bishops" and "21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Sweden". It is not correct, however, to make "21st-century German Roman Catholic bishops" a child of "21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Sweden" because not every German bishop served their episcopacy in Sweden. Similarly, it is not correct to make "21st-century German Roman Catholic priests" a child or "21st-century Roman Catholic bishops in Germany" because some German priests might only serve their episcopacy in Sweden. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: "But if the Anglican priests in India are to be categorised as Indian". They should not be categorised as Indian automatically. A man who is an Anglian priest serving in India should only be categorised as an Indian Anglican priest if it can be established that he is also an Indian national. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: "I think its important to connect the bishops to other categories by occupation, location and century." I agree. But that location should be the geographic territory - country - in which they served their episcopacy. It should not be the location of the country in which they are born because that speaks to their nationality. In many cases, the location of the birth country and the location of the diocese is in the same country. However, it is not necessarily the case. There will be occasion exceptions. For that reason, the category system must not violate logic. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In that case we dont agree. The categorisation is supposed to be related to defining characteristics. A person born in Sweden, who was never a bishop in Sweden, is not properly categorised as a Swedish bishop. The nationality which is defining for clergy is that of the church. And NB we have explicit information about nationality for less than 1% of biographical articles.Rathfelder (talk) 16:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: Am I to take then, that you intend to delete the entire "bishops by nationality" tree structure? That will be quite a nomination. I can't see it meeting with much support. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No. But I may interpret it differently. Rathfelder (talk) 17:59, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Rathfelder: As an example of your alternative interpretation, please tell me what is the nationality of those bishops in Sweden who were born in Germany? Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I dont much care what their nationality is. I think they belong in Category:Swedish Christian clergy. They are clergy of Swedish churches. They may also belong in Category:German Christian clergy, but if they werent bishops in Germany I think it is misleading to categorise them as German bishops. And taking at random Category:Bishops of Gothenburg most of them seem to be Swedish nationals, so I cant see how it helps to keep them out of Category:Swedish Christian clergy. Rathfelder (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Ivankiv[edit]

Laurel Lodged, in the case of Bucha I agree with you that its dubious to talk of a "victory" since there was continues fighting for Bucha, with only brief pauses, which finally ended with a Russian withdrawal that was not forced. However, in the case of Ivankiv, you have the Russian military defeating the Ukrainian military and taking over the town, after which there was no more fighting for more than a month and the eventual withdrawal took place without any fighting. As Elijahandskip nicely put it, if we followed that logic the result of the Battle of France should be the eventual German withdrawal and not a German victory. However, if you still insist, I can agree with not saying any "victory", however, unlike Bucha, there were no two phases, because there was no more fighting after February 27th at all. So that can not stay. EkoGraf (talk) 15:56, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EkoGraf: We cannot use the word "victory". The Russians simply snuck quietly away during the night. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of an alleged Ukrainian "victory" in a battle that was continues but suddenly stopped with the Russians withdrawal I agree (like Irpin or Hostomel). But Ivankiv was a battle that took place more than a month ago where one force was defeated by another, after which there was no more fighting. The eventual withdrawal is thus unrelated to the actual battle from the end of February. However, like I said, fine, insert result without a "victory", but there were no phases in this battle, which I see you already removed and I thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[17] Good? EkoGraf (talk) 16:06, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EkoGraf: Good. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:16, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good. :) PS Keep an eye out for this one [18][19][20]. EkoGraf (talk) 16:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Greek expatriates by occupation[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:Greek expatriates by occupation indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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WP:SETCAT[edit]

Hello again! Please read WP:SETCAT: Set categories are named after a class (usually in the plural). For example, Category:Cities in France contains articles whose subjects are cities in France. A category may be explicitly labeled as such using the {{Set category}} template. --Balkovec (talk) 16:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Balkovec: See also Wikipedia:Categorization#Guidelines for articles with eponymous categories where it is written, "Articles with an eponymous category may be categorized in the broader categories that would be present if there were no eponymous category". Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there were a Category:City of France, then it would be a {{topic category}}. But there is already a Category:Wikipedia categories named after populated places in France which is a topic category for city (more broad - all populated places) of France. Balkovec (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Balkovec: I see your point. I conclude that there is a conflict in the two policies. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:15, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Laurel, I just came to tell you that several categories you nominated for deletion or merger at CFD are the work of a sockpuppet. Balkovec was globally blocked yesterday. There could be a need for some edit reverts and page deletions per CSD G5 although that is not an automatic action with categories and transcluded templates. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity in England, Wales and Scotland by denomination[edit]

You wrote: It's wider then denominations. It's about buildings. It's about clusters of denominations (e.g Protestantism). But then it applies to Category:Christian denominations in Ireland, Category:Christian denominations in Northern Ireland and Category:Christian denominations in the Republic of Ireland too. Should you then propose renaming to Category:Christianity in the Republic of Ireland by denomination etc?

@Balkovec: I've withdrawn my opposition to these nominations. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:07, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Christian bell towers has been nominated for merging[edit]

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