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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope[edit]
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions[edit]
Discussions awaiting closure[edit]
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CfD | 0 | 47 | 102 | 12 | 161 |
TfD | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
MfD | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 5 |
FfD | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 |
RfD | 0 | 0 | 33 | 17 | 50 |
AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 30 | 30 |
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 2 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 1 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 30 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 28 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 27 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 26 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 25 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 24 (12 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 23 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 22 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 21 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 20 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 19 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 18 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 17 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 15 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 14 (11 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 12 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 11 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 10 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 9 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 8 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 6 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 5 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 4 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 3 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 2 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 1 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 31 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 30 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 29 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 28 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 27 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 26 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 25 (6 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 24 (9 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 23 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 22 (3 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD[edit]
Nomination procedure[edit]
Twinkle[edit]
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominations[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types[edit]
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors[edit]
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2022 May 10|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure[edit]
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories[edit]
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria[edit]
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names[edit]
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name[edit]
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request[edit]
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article[edit]
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions[edit]
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions[edit]
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 10:26, 8 May 2022 (UTC). Currently, there are 71 open requests (. )
Current requests[edit]
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Bhutan A-Division to Category:Bhutan Super League – C2D Bhutan Super League Snowflake91 (talk) 09:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Professors of the University of Cambridge to Category:Professors at the University of Cambridge – CDC and C2D Charlie A. (talk) 08:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Knights of the Order of Saint John to Category:Knights of the Order of Saint John (chartered 1888) – C2D Order of Saint John (chartered 1888) Le Deluge (talk) 23:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Western Railway Zone to Category:Western Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Western Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:West Central Railway Zone to Category:West Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: West Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Southern Railway Zone to Category:Southern Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Southern Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:South Western Railway Zone to Category:South Western Railway zone – C2A: Main article: South Western Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:South Eastern Railway Zone to Category:South Eastern Railway zone – C2A: Main article: South Eastern Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:South East Central Railway Zone to Category:South East Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: South East Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:33, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:South Central Railway Zone to Category:South Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: South Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Railway Zone to Category:Northern Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Northern Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Northeast Frontier Railway Zone to Category:Northeast Frontier Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Northeast Frontier Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:North Western Railway Zone to Category:North Western Railway zone – C2A: Main article: North Western Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:North Eastern Railway Zone to Category:North Eastern Railway zone – C2A: Main article: North Eastern Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:North Central Railway Zone to Category:North Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: North Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Eastern Railway Zone to Category:Eastern Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Eastern Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:26, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:East Central Railway Zone to Category:East Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: East Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:23, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Central Railway Zone to Category:Central Railway zone – C2A: Main article: Central Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:East Coast Railway Zone to Category:East Coast Railway zone – C2A: Main article: East Coast Railway zone — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Franco-Belgian comics stubs to Category:Bande dessinée stubs – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:56, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Franco-Belgian comics in amusement parks to Category:Bande dessinée in amusement parks – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:56, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Franco-Belgian comics to Category:Bande dessinée – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:56, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Theme park stub templates to Category:Amusement park stub templates – C2D: See also Category:Amusement park stubs. Gonnym (talk) 21:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Star Wars Theme Park Attractions to Category:Attractions based on Star Wars – C2C. This is the same category scope. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Capcom system boards to Category:Capcom arcade system boards – C2E & C2C Mbrickn (talk) 20:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Pegasus Juniors F.C. players to Category:Hereford Pegasus F.C. players – C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 17:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Hostage negotiators to Category:Crisis negotiators – C2D: per Crisis negotiation. 1857a (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @1857a: shouldn't Category:Crisis negotiators become a parent category of Category:Hostage negotiators? Marcocapelle (talk) 01:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Books about counter-terrorism to Category:Books about counterterrorism – C2D: per Counterterrorism. 1857a (talk) 13:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:People in counter-terrorism to Category:People in counterterrorism
- Category:Fictional counter-terrorism organizations to Category:Fictional counterterrorism organizations
- Category:Counter-terrorist organizations to Category:Counterterrorist organizations
- Category:Non-military counter-terrorist organizations to Category:Non-military counterterrorist organizations
- Category:Bristol Bears women to Category:Bristol Bears Women players – C2C/D Bristol Bears Women Le Deluge (talk) 12:47, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman scholars to Category:Islamic scholars of the Ottoman Empire – Double C2C to reflect parent categories Le Deluge (talk) 11:22, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sunrise (company) to Category:Bandai Namco Filmworks – As of 2022, Sunrise Inc. has been renamed to Bandai Namco Filmworks, albeit the Sunrise brand still exists. Ridwan97 (talk) 07:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sunrise (company) people to Category:Bandai Namco Filmworks people – To reflect the Bandai Namco Filmworks name usage. Ridwan97 (talk) 07:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Forza (series) to Category:Forza – C2D: Per Forza, main article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy See criteria above; C2D does not apply, since Forza (disambiguation) exists. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:26, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Cisco Systems to Category:Cisco – "Cisco" is a primary brand name for Cisco Systems since 2006. Ridwan97 (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Cisco Systems acquisitions to Category:Cisco acquisitions – In alignment for the common "Cisco" brand name usage. Ridwan97 (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy See criteria above; C2D does not apply, since Cisco (disambiguation) exists. UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:26, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Seafaring films to Category:Seamanship films – C2D: Seafaring is a redirect. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:48, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose UnitedStatesian, the meanings of wikt:seafaring and wikt:seamanship are different, so a "Seamanship film" would be about skill in operating a vessel at sea. I can find the phrase "Seafaring film" but not "Seamanship film" via Google and Google books. TSventon (talk) 07:41, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:19th-century historians of the Ottoman Empire to Category:19th-century Ottoman historians – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 12:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:18th-century historians of the Ottoman Empire to Category:18th-century Ottoman historians – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 12:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:17th-century historians of the Ottoman Empire to Category:17th-century Ottoman historians – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 12:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:16th-century historians of the Ottoman Empire to Category:16th-century Ottoman historians – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 12:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:15th-century historians of the Ottoman Empire to Category:15th-century Ottoman historians – C2B. Rathfelder (talk) 12:56, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- What established naming convention are you citing? If Category:Ottoman historians is the one, then I don't think a category you created a few days ago which itself seems out of place, works here (seeing as how its parent is Category:Writers of the Ottoman Empire). Gonnym (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:19th-century historians by nationality and the like all just use the adjective, except for Georgia and the Holy Roman Empire. Rathfelder (talk) 22:31, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- See also Oculi's comment further down (favouring "from"). Marcocapelle (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- That refers to the Russian Empire where the adjective is ambiguous. Rathfelder (talk) 22:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- 'rename instead to Category:19th-century historians from the Ottoman Empire etc.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Archaeologists of the Ottoman Empire to Category:Ottoman archaeologists – C2C: To match Category:Archaeologists by nationality and make it clear this is their nationality, not their field of operations. Rathfelder (talk) 12:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose "Ottoman" has a very specific meaning, and does not easily or always mean residents/subjects of the Ottoman Empire. Much better would be Category:Archaeologists from the Ottoman Empire. This whole tree needs some work.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman historians to Category:Historians of the Ottoman Empire – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:30, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, this one should be "from" because "of" may imply the Ottoman Empire is the subject of these historians rather than their citizenship. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Its not obvious how to distinguish these, but perhaps it would be better to leave it as Category:Ottoman historians? Rathfelder (talk) 12:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- That is also a possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Withdraw this. Rathfelder (talk) 12:55, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is better to change it to Category:Historians from the Ottoman Empire (cf Category:Historians from the Russian Empire). Oculi (talk) 13:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The proposed form would make it seem this is what they studied. Much better to use Historians from the Ottoman Empire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in the United States to Category:Ottoman expatriates in the United States – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in South Africa to Category:Ottoman expatriates in South Africa – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in the Russian Empire to Category:Ottoman expatriates in the Russian Empire – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in Switzerland to Category:Ottoman expatriates in Switzerland – C2C: Like most of Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire Rathfelder (talk) 22:23, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - subcats of Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire should all have the form 'Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in ' (which is C2C). Oculi (talk) 23:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates by nationality are all like Fooish expatriates. Rathfelder (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- But not in the more relevant Category:People by former country. And in particular there was the cfd 2017 September 13#Ottoman people, which renamed 'Ottoman people' to 'People of the Ottoman Empire'. Oculi (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- most of Category:People by former country need something to differentiate their adjective from the new country. The Ottoman Empire doesnt need that. Rathfelder (talk) 22:40, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- But not in the more relevant Category:People by former country. And in particular there was the cfd 2017 September 13#Ottoman people, which renamed 'Ottoman people' to 'People of the Ottoman Empire'. Oculi (talk) 13:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Expatriates by nationality are all like Fooish expatriates. Rathfelder (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose - subcats of Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire should all have the form 'Category:Expatriates of the Ottoman Empire in ' (which is C2C). Oculi (talk) 23:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose If you look at Ottoman it has a wide amount of meanings. The biggest problem is that Ottoman refered specifically to the ruling family. In common usage the area was in the 19th and early 20th century actually called "Turkey", but using "Turkey" and "Turkish" would be way too confusing, and is not generally done in historical scholarship. However using just "Ottoman" is confusing, so most references need to use Ottoman Empire.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Comedy-drama films to Category:Comedy drama films – C2D: The parent article is comedy drama. All sub categories should follow suit. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:03, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. Here, "comedy-drama" becomes a compound modifier. See the Examples section of that article. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis tournaments in the Dominican Republic to Category:Tennis tournaments in Dominican Republic – via C2B, only 4 out of 52 "tennis tournaments in *" have the article preceeding the name: Dominican Republic, Czech Republic, United States and United Kingdom. Since all the others from Alabama to Vietnam have not an article preceedeing them, as single nations and not nation with multiple states inside them ( as USA and UK), Czech Republic and Dominican Republic should be without article as well. Opencross (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose this is part of a tree beginning at Category:Sport in the Dominican Republic, why should this one be made inconsistent? Take Category:Sport in the Dominican Republic to a full WP:CFR if you like (if successful, subcategories will be renamed to suit); but don't pick out individual sub-categories. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- I picked what i encountered, i.e. "Cat:tennis tournament in the Dominican Republic".
- I don't know if other wiki projects, different from the tennis one, use the article before the name of country. In that case my request could be detrimental of their category setting. I know that as it stands, this is detrimental for tennis project, because it's counter-intuitive to have Czech Republic and Dominican Republic at the end of the scrolling list of HotCat after Vietnam e before UK, that is where no one expect them to be. Opencross (talk) 20:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose this is part of a tree beginning at Category:Sport in the Dominican Republic, why should this one be made inconsistent? Take Category:Sport in the Dominican Republic to a full WP:CFR if you like (if successful, subcategories will be renamed to suit); but don't pick out individual sub-categories. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:27, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic to Category:Tennis tournaments in Czech Republic – via C2B, only 4 out of 52 "tennis tournaments in *" have the article preceeding the name: Czech Republic, Dominican Republic, United States and United Kingdom. Since all the others from Alabama to Vietnam have not an article preceedeing them, as single nations and not nation with multiple states inside them ( as USA and UK), Czech Republic and Dominican Republic should be without article as well. Opencross (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Opencross, you have tagged the Tennis tournaments categories for DR and CR, rather than the Defunct tennis tournaments categories, so I have edited the nominations in line with the tags, please reverse my changes if this is incorrect. TSventon (talk) 16:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose this is part of a tree beginning at Category:Sport in the Czech Republic, why should this one be made inconsistent? Take Category:Sport in the Czech Republic to a full WP:CFR if you like (if successful, subcategories will be renamed to suit); but don't pick out individual sub-categories. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- Category:Lines of Kintetsu to Category:Lines of Kintetsu Railway – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:39, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Stations of Kintetsu to Category:Stations of Kintetsu Railway – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Kintetsu succession templates to Category:Kintetsu Railway succession templates – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Kintetsu line templates to Category:Kintetsu Railway line templates – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- NO BOTS Category:Kintetsu templates to Category:Kintetsu Railway templates – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Kintetsu diagrams to Category:Kintetsu Railway diagrams – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose As the main article is arguably Kintetsu Group Holdings so it would need a full discussion on whether to further refine it to "railway" as the group also owns other businesses such as department stores, etc. However, that would also disqualify the other ones from speedy move and require a full discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pending the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Kintetsu to Category:Kintetsu Railway – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose As the main article is arguably Kintetsu Group Holdings so it would need a full discussion on whether to further refine it to "railway" as the group also owns other businesses such as department stores, etc. However, that would also disqualify the other ones from speedy move and require a full discussion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional characters with multiple personalities to Category:Fictional characters with dissociative identity disorder – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiple personalities in a fictional context does not necessarily indicate that they have a mental disorder, as it does in real life. For example, Pyra/Mythra from Xenoblade is an example of a character who has multiple personalities due to magic, and on purpose. Robots can also have multiple personalities simply because they are programmed to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The category states
The main article for this category is Dissociative identity disorder
. is in two "dissociative identity disorder" parent categories, and multiple personalities redirects to Dissociative identity disorder. This cannot be any more C2D than this. Gonnym (talk) 12:43, 25 April 2022 (UTC)- Well, looking at the category's contents it very clearly does not match up to what its explanation describes it as. I also think that making the scope smaller would unnecessarily exclude some characters for no reason. Either way it needs a more complete discussion. It might require a split or subcategory rather than a move. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The category states
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Multiple personalities in a fictional context does not necessarily indicate that they have a mental disorder, as it does in real life. For example, Pyra/Mythra from Xenoblade is an example of a character who has multiple personalities due to magic, and on purpose. Robots can also have multiple personalities simply because they are programmed to. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional characters with body dysmorphia to Category:Fictional characters with body dysmorphic disorder – C2D: per Body dysmorphic disorder. Gonnym (talk) 09:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose As the category states that it encompasses several disorders including body dysmorphic disorder, anorexia and bulimia. The scope should be discussed in greater detail if it is to be changed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yet again you oppose something that is C2D. body dysmorphia redirects to Body dysmorphic disorder. Feel free to split the contents to more specific categories, but the current name is incorrect and your opposition is not supported by the guideline. Gonnym (talk) 12:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:05, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose As the category states that it encompasses several disorders including body dysmorphic disorder, anorexia and bulimia. The scope should be discussed in greater detail if it is to be changed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic to Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic – C2C: per Category:Tennis tournaments in the Czech Republic etc. Oculi (talk) 13:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC).
- Oppose putting the article "the" before Czech Republic would results in misplacing it on the automated list when editors will use HotCat for adding categories to the articles. Also, this type of naming should be used for United States and United Kingdom only, i.e. nations with multiple entities inside them, which is not the Czech Republic case, and it is wrong as well for Dominican Republic, under C2B ( almost the totality of nations are enlisted without the preceeding article). I'll propose to rename them instead. Opencross (talk) 15:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support for consistency with the tree that begins at Category:Sport in the Czech Republic. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Opencross, "the" in English names isn't as rare (or simple) as you suggest, for example there are 24 country subcategories of Category:Education by country which include "the". TSventon (talk) 19:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if i was misleading you into thinking i was generically speaking about the grammar in use in the general case. I was more concentrated upon the usage in the wikipedia pages, and specifically within the tennis project.
- There are 52 subcategories of "Cat: tennis tournament in.." with just 4 having "the" preceeding the name of the country. People for sure won't look at the bottom of the scrolling list of HotCat to find "... in the Czech Republic" nor for the Dominican case. I am posing this question on a practical basis, because in my view, it's better to rectify a longstanding problem than to extend it further.
- Anyhow, i am ok with whatever it would be decided, just because i needed to use that category and i actively looked for it. I don't know if other users would do the same, going a step further than the intuitive approach. Cheers Opencross (talk) 20:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct tennis tournaments in Czech Republic could be kept as a Template:Category redirect to help editors find the existing category. TSventon (talk) 10:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Restaurants in Hollywood history to Category:Restaurants in Hollywood, Los Angeles history – C2D: Probably can also lose the "history" part per C2C as the "Restaurants in" category does not use that as far as I can tell. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like a problem category... the aim of the category seems to be for former restaurants, in which case Category:Defunct restaurants in Hollywood, Los Angeles would probably be more appropriate, per Category:Defunct restaurants in Greater Los Angeles - though if so it'd need a full CFD rather than a speedy nom. BUT there are about three existing restaurants in there... along with a movie and a person. It's all a bit odd. Grutness...wha? 09:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like a problem category... the aim of the category seems to be for former restaurants, in which case Category:Defunct restaurants in Hollywood, Los Angeles would probably be more appropriate, per Category:Defunct restaurants in Greater Los Angeles - though if so it'd need a full CFD rather than a speedy nom. BUT there are about three existing restaurants in there... along with a movie and a person. It's all a bit odd. Grutness...wha? 09:08, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
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