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Module:Lua banner[edit]

Hello! Take a look at the Lua banner here. You get the sandbox version of a module linked on its own, duplicating results. Is that indented? If so, can you explain to me why? - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Examining it closer, I think it is intended because of that module's specific use. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:30, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it explicitly mentions that it uses the sandbox in the invocation of {{Lua}}. So, it's not a bug in {{Lua}}. It might be a bug in Module:Cs1 documentation support, but I'm not familiar enough with that module to understand whether it is or not. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:34, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, that module mostly serves to compare the live version with its sandbox counterpart, both being treated as separate modules so I believe it is not a bug there either. I was just hurried in my question. Thanks for trying to help! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:User wikipedia/RC Patrol/sandbox[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

When you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/MFD/etc.), please post a notice on the talk page of the page creator, even for a nonsense page like this. If you are using Twinkle, please set your Preferences to "Notify page creator" and make sure the checkboxes for all of the CSD criteria are checked. Many thanks for all of the work you do! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:15, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And the same goes for Template:Wade–Giles1. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:19, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

{{cat main}}[edit]

@Pppery:@Nihiltres: Note that {{cat main}} is currently broken for all cats that dont' supply a parameter, e.g., see Category:Intention. This likely affects more than 50% of categories. I suggest that you restore the last working versions and do appropriate testing in a sandbox prior to releasing your changes.Dpleibovitz (talk) 15:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Reverted sorry for the screw-up. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:51, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lesson learned for the future: the code pages and pages[1] or "Wikipedia" does not do what you expect. In this context pages is always true (since empty tables are true in Lua), so it is effectively the same as pages[1] or "Wikipedia", whereas I (and I assume Nihiltres since they wrote the code that way) assumed it was a ternary condition and didn't evaluate pages[1] if pages was empty. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:10, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fixing that; that was a brain fart on my part to use pages and not #pages > 0. I've been bouncing between too many programming languages recently. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 21:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preempting TfD[edit]

I have no objection to this edit, but re your edit summary, there's nothing saying that an article's editors can't establish a local consensus to remove a template, independent of any TfD. In this case, five editors including myself have expressed the opinion on talk that the source of the unparsed-text bug should be removed, and none have expressed an opinion to the contrary. Even if the TfD closes with an emphatic keep, it would still be reasonable to remove the template from that particular article based on local consensus. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 16:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valid point. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:06, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfA 2021 review update[edit]

Best, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:08, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who do not wish to become a Wikipedia administrator[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

Categories can not just be deleted via speedy deletion until they are empty. There are 499 pages in this category and deleting the category page will still leave 499 in this category, there just won't be an official category page so that will leave 499 pages with red link categories which is to be avoided (WP:REDLINK). The pages have to be removed from the category first and, in this case, the template that adds this category has to be changed. I looked into this yesterday and I thought the category had been removed from the template but I guess it was re-added or the category was added to a new template that filled this category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: I'm well aware of how categories work, but thought it was the responsibility of the deleting admin to empty the category, not the tagger. Me emtpying the category would be improperly assuming that the deletion would be granted. In fact, I've been G4-ing user categories since August 2020 and no one's complained about this before. If you want me to depopulate the category, I would be happy to do so, but doing so would create a mess if the deletion was declined for unrelated reasons. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:53, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The category has now been emptied. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

St. Thomas Church, Thumpoly[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your work on St. Thomas Church, Thumpoly. I had left the infobox with many blank fields because I hoped someone else might see a field like "architectural style" and be able to fill it in, or perhaps to add a photo. I suppose I should have deleted fields that will never apply to this church, but in general blank infobox fields that might be useful in the future are worth keeping. Perhaps someone will find more information about the church while working on Roman Catholic Diocese of Alleppey or Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Trivandrum. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valid point. I removed them (while making a substantive edit to fix a Lua error) because there were so many blank infobox parameters relative to the size of the article that it seemed overwhelming. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help with the chart module[edit]

Hello! :)

Some days ago you helped me better understand what was wrong with the shortcut template. Is there any chance you might be able to help me on this case as well? - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! What was wrong in TL;DR? That chart was actually fine until IABot started malfunctioning and grew one of the categories over the top. - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:04, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The chart was so lopsided (because there were over 3,000 redundant parameters and small numbers of other CS1 errors) that the calculation for what height to give to the bars ended up producing a negative number of pixels for some bars. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I really hope IABot can fix some of the redundant parameters once it is fixed. Thanks again! - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Healthcare in Ireland[edit]

See the Ireland link in this article:

• List of countries by total health expenditure per capita

See also:

• User:Timeshifter/Sandbox139
• Template:Flagg

{{flagg|us*eft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Ireland}}

style="text-align:left"| Ireland *

It will not link to either of these:

• Healthcare in Ireland
• Healthcare in the Republic of Ireland

The first link is to a disambiguation page. I would be happy if it linked to that. But I would prefer that it linked to Healthcare in the Republic of Ireland.

I would rather not have to create a custom flag link. Is the template refusing to link to the disambiguation page?

If this can't be fixed, what do I need to add to {{flagg|us*eft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Ireland}}?

Or what is the simplest version of {{flagg}} that will link to Healthcare in the Republic of Ireland and show only "Ireland" and an asterisk. I guess I could manually add an asterisk.

I changed it to "Republic of Ireland" below. Still does not work.

{{flagg|us*eft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Republic of Ireland}}

style="text-align:left"| Ireland *

I am surprised that the above does not work. Do I have to use another flag template altogether? What do you recommend? --Timeshifter (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The example above is trying to link to Healthcare in Republic of Ireland, which doesn't exist. {{flagg|us*eft|pref=Healthcare in|pref2=Health in|Republic of Ireland|the=y}} (style="text-align:left"| Ireland *) would work, as would creating the aforementioned redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I missed a few in my user sandbox table, including that one.

Problem partially fixed when I just created this redirect page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Health_in_Republic_of_Ireland&redirect=no

So I guess the template bot does not see the disambiguation page at all. It only looks for Republic of Ireland links.

Good to know. I will have to pay close attention to those links in the sandbox tables.

The template bot immediately converts "Ireland" to "Republic of Ireland".

--Timeshifter (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I made a list of the redirect sandboxes here:

User:Timeshifter/Sandbox158. Redirects. List

--Timeshifter (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unused Templates Task Force[edit]

I didn't tag you on the WikiProject Templates talk page, but if you want to participate and join the task force idea since you're active at Tfd's, take a look at if you get the chance. Do you need a link to it? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:19, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was aware already, but I don't see the need to support or join any formal task force. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:30, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PEIS limit user scripts[edit]

Hi. Thanks for fixing the limit on Narendra Modi. Are you aware of any userscripts for assisting with dealing the PEIS limits? — DaxServer (talk) 09:20, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do it manually (and somewhat tediously). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Module:RFX[edit]

Maaaybe you have extra-extra free time and are interested in following this rabbit hole? :P

As you'll see, you're not the first editor I ask for help in there so don't worry at all if you can't help. Fully understandable. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I'm interested in doing this (as you can see, I haven't gotten around to it in two weeks). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:59, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, don't worry at all. Fully understandable. :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:15, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RfA Reform 2021 Phase 2 has begun[edit]

16:13, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Stop describing Tfd nominations as "nonsense"[edit]

I think the heading makes it clear. You have done it on some of my and Q28's nominations in recent days. If you continue to describe nominations as "nonsense" an ANI will have to submitted over this kind of behavior. And I will have to remove you from the task force. Your responses aren't being taken as constructive and are coming off as mean-spirited. If you don't understand, so be it. You can still vote as you see fit without such words. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stop nominating templates for reasons that make no sense and I won't have to do that. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What you think doesn't make sense doesn't mean you can call it that. It comes off as a personal attack and others will view it as such. You shouldn't be doing that in the first place. I don't want to drag this any further so just don't do it again. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging pages for deletion[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

When you tag a page for deletion, please notify the page creator with a notice on their talk page. It is easiest if you use Twinkle because the program will usually post the notice for you once you set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator" and check the boxes of every CSD criteria. But even if Twinkle fails to do this, then you need to notify the page creator yourself with a personal message. What query this refers to are 2 categories you tagged for speedy deletion....both of these categories were created by administrators who placed a tag on them NOT to delete them if they are empty. I think it's important that you check with the page creators about this. I know that I am reluctant to delete pages under these circumstances. Right now, an admin evaluating the pages needs to trust your word that these categories are no longer needed. It would be ideal if the admin who created the pages did the deletion once you informed them of the situation.

It's always important to spend the time communicating with other editors when you are requesting action that doesn't seem obviously necessary. My guess is that most admins who patrol CSD categories will pass on acting on your request and decline to delete. Here's a tip, there are lots of admins who look at speedy deletion categories but if they are unsure about a tagging, they leave it for the next admin to look over and make a decision on. So, if these pages are still sitting, tagged, hours from now, that's a sign that the admins who looked them over were not certain that they should be deleted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:35, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing ambiguous about it. In the case of Category:Pages which should not use KML from Wikidata, the category text says quite clearly that it was populated by {{No KML}} (Pages should be added to this category using {{No KML|reason=Some reason}}.). Since that template has been deleted at TfD, the category quite clearly meets the G8 criterion (Categories populated by deleted [...] templates). G8 doesn't even have a template to notify the creator, who in any case hasn't edited since August 26, so I suspect asking him would have not produced a useful response.

For Category:Wikipedia spacecraft media missing information, although the creator is still active, they merely moved the page from Category:Wikipedia spacecraft articles missing information per a discussion in 2013, which does not make them any better-situated to evaluate whether the page is G8-able than you are. Regardless, the category was populated by {{spacecraft missing information}}, which was deleted at TfD, so this is again a straightforward {{db-templatecat}}. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And Explicit deleted the categories an hour and a half after you posted this message, proving your speculation of the future wrong. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:02, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message[edit]

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Ontario COVID-19 pandemic timeline[edit]

Hi Pppery, I wanted to reach out to you regarding your reversion of S201050066’s edits to the Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in Ontario article. You objected to the addition of lists between September and November 2020 on the grounds that they were taking up too much space and that there was an automated table at the top of the article. Me and S201050066 are working on an ongoing project to put in tables with a breakdown of daily cases, recoveries, deaths and cases in hospitals. One solution may be to spilt the article into 2020 and 2021 articles. That will help reduce the length to a manageable level. Andykatib 19:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting the article into two instead is fine with me. (Although you've misstated my objection, it wasn't that I thought the article was too long, it's that the page exceeded the post-expand include size limit and as a result the navboxes at the bottom weren't rendering). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pppery, thanks for the clarification and understanding. My apologies for misstating your objection. I meant to say that it exceeded the article maximum size limit. I have managed to create two separate Ontario timeline articles for 2020 and 2021. Since the 2020 article is about 306,000 bytes, I have advised S201050066 that he can help reduce the length of the article by using just one source for each of the daily reports. That should help keep the article length at a more manageable size. Andykatib 20:39, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Pppery I am going to echo what Andykatib said to you earlier you undid my edit on the Ontario Timeline and I do recognize that you have a point on the issue but you should had not reverted me and Andykatib work On The Ontario timeline we undid your edit on the Ontario timeline page for 2020 we had spited the articles into 2020 and 2021 and what you did was unnecessary and I think you should apologies to me and Andykatib and if it happens again the next time you will be getting a warning and if you continue to undo our edits like you did On the Ontario Timeline page you will be blocked from editing for 24 hours or indefinitely.S201050066 5:42 pm eastern standard time

There was nothing wrong with my initial revert; you made a bold edit, I reverted it, now we are discussing, and I've indicated I'm fine with splitting the article and keeping the content I removed. True, if I start edit warring with you and Andykatib I might get blocked for that, but there's no indication that will happen and your threat is entirely unpersuasive. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

apology accepted I understand your point and I am very sorry me and Andykatib we were both little upset earlier and I understand now and I think it comes down to matter of respect and I Know that you are good User but you did messed up lets settle this issue down and lets move on S201050066 7:22 pm eastern standard time December 10 2021

OK. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries Ppery and S201050066, I wasn't upset at all. I understand that Ppery's intentions were well intended and in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Glad that we have managed to reach a good solution to the issue. S201050066, it might help if you could improve your grammar and spelling as well as your editing skills. That will reduce the risk of other users reverting your edits. Andykatib 00:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andykatib thank you I was kind of a little upset with Pppery and I was not upset at Pppery it was just the time and effort I put into my work I did for September through November of 2020 we hope we don't get you involved in any of our work again Pppery have a wonderful day S201050066 7:50 pm eastern standard time December 10 2021

Query[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

I'm just a little curious but how are you finding all of these outdated, now useless categories you are tagging for deletion? They are uncategorized by subject or use so I'm not sure how you even found them or came across them. Are you going through the thousands of Noindexed pages or Hidden categories? That's a time-consuming chore! But I'm glad someone took it on. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized that these categories are probably associated with deleted templates and that's how you found them. But I'll leave my message as it is. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I'm going through all categories that are in Category:Hidden categories and in no other parent categories (not counting subcats of Category:CatAutoTOC tracking categories), at Fayenatic london's suggestion. There were only about 150 total, so it's not actually that time consuming. (And these have nothing to do with deleted templates) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:43, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Pppery/noinclude list[edit]

Hi, do you know why User:Pppery/noinclude list is showing as transcluding {{WikiProject East Timor/hide}}? It's being reported at Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken WikiProject templates. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The page transcludes all templates listed at TfD in order to check that they are properly tagged. The transclusion should disappear in a few hours when Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 December 4#Template:WikiProject Ohio/sandbox/hide and related /hide template subpages is closed, before that database report is next updated, so there's no need for me to do anything. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:00, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A cookie for you![edit]

Thank you for your efforts at Protected edit request! — xaosflux Talk 11:53, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RFA 2021 Completed[edit]

01:46, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Template:Database report[edit]

There exists Module:Database report. Consider if you want to do anything with that. Izno (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it to Module:Sandbox/SDZeroBot/Database report to match the userfication of the template. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:59, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Izno: And there's also {{database report end}}. Would you mind userfying that as well? (I'd do it myself, but I don't have the right to move pages without leaving a redirect) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:11, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit vs. cleanup[edit]

Greetings! Regarding this edit...yes, I send dozens of articles to the Guild of Copy Editors every month. In general, they don't accept articles that have other problem tags, like lack of sourcing, and will change the copyedit tag to a cleanup tag, or just drop it entirely and wait for the other problem to get fixed. -- Beland (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a valid point. On the other hand, when you use {{cleanup}} what tends to happen instead is the tag gets completely ignored, which isn't much better. Thus, for the last few months I've been periodically loooking at transclusions of {{cleanup}} and replacing them with other more specific tags to hopefully attract attention to them. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:19, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's great; a lot of people don't know the more-specific tags exist, and there are definitely people and bots better suited to such tasks. The cleanup tags aren't ignored entirely, but cleanup that involves substantial rewriting does take a lot longer than a copyedit or MOS fix, so the cleanup backlog is just a lot longer (currently 12 years). There are certainly editors working specifically on January 2010 right now, but anything we can do to make the backlog shorter would for sure help the project. Sometimes I take the oldest listings from Category:Articles needing cleanup and post a brief list to Wikipedia:Cleanup, which for some reason seems to have at least some willing volunteers who don't look at the categories. I think seeing a cleanup tag also causes editors who watchlist a given article and people who happen to be reading it to take note and motivates some of them to fix the problem. (You can see that the longer ago a month is, the smaller the backlog is for that month.)

Given how time-consuming major cleanup work is, I also think people are more willing to do it if they are actually interested in the topic, and Wikiprojects are a major source of interested editors. I have recently purged the old Pages Needing Attention and am still dealing with on-site Cleanup Listing pages. We now have excellent per-Wikiproject, per-problem listings at: https://bambots.brucemyers.com/cwb/index.html

If you see an article festering in the cleanup queue and there's no better queue to move it, my recommendation would be to 1.) make sure it is assigned to at least one Wikiproject on its talk page, 2.) make sure linked Wikiproject pages are linked to the corresponding bambots page, and 3.) drop a note on the Wikiproject talk page if editors there don't seem aware of the cleanup backlog for their project. -- Beland (talk) 23:31, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

People were using {{cleanup}} far too often without showing why, so we added code to populate Category:Cleanup tagged articles without a reason field. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:17, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging pages for speedy deletion[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

When tagging pages for speedy deletion, like Category:Articles with faulty Semantic Scholar author identifiers and Category:Articles with Online PWN identifiers, it's important to post deletion notifications on the talk page of the page creator. Actually, this is a crucial step to take with any type of deletion (CSD, PROD or AFD/RFD/TFD/etc.).

I encourage you to start using Twinkle when you tag pages for deletion because once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post these notices for you. Thank you, Pppery, for all of your many contributions on the project! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:00, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

G8 speedy deletions don't have a notification template (even when using Twinkle). I do generally notify creators when starting deletion discussions or doing speedy deletions for other criteria that do have notification templates. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Articles with Online PWN identifiers[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you tagged the category page Category:Articles with Online PWN identifiers for speedy deletion, but you did not notify on my talk page. If any page created, including a category page is nominated for speedy deletion, the author is notified on their talk page. See an earlier notificication. Neel.arunabh (talk) 18:08, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notify you because there's no template to use to notify people of {{Db-templatecat}} deletions, which I've taken to mean that for that kind of uncontroversial deletion there's no need to notify the creator. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still didn't get it[edit]

Hi Pppery, I observed that my edit request at Template talk:!( § Template-protected edit request on 31 January 2022 has been declined. I went through the archive you linked but still couldn't quite understand what's the point of having these templates at the first place if the resultant transclusion will be seen as a regular wiki-markup? Thanks! ---CX Zoom(^he/_him) (^{let's talk}|_contribs) 17:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what purpose the template serves, exactly, but I also know from that discussion that making the kind of edit you requested is simply not a good idea. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Collapse of convo[edit]

Hey! I saw you collapsed some of the discussion at the proposal village pump. I do agree that some of it was offtopic, however some of the discussion that is in the collapsed part wasn't necessarily offtopic. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I left Lallint's original response (saying that the discussion I had pointed to was 8 years ago) uncollapsed. Absolutely none of the rest was related to the original proposal of adding Wikipedia:Articles for improvement to the main page, which is the topic of the section. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PDB Gallery[edit]

Did anyone ever chase Primefac's closing statement at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 17#Template:PDB Gallery? I'm currently chasing the nochecker class for removal from Common.css and ended up at what looks like a totally unnecessary template system mess that has the issues as described by Gonnym (never mind MOS:COLLAPSE). Izno (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing has ever happened there as far as I know. I'm bad at following up on that sort of thing. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for Jonathan D. Gray[edit]

Hi Pppery. I recently posted an edit request for Jonathan D. Gray, the president and coo of Blackstone Group. Since I noticed that you are a member of WikiProject Finance & Investment I thought you might be interested in implementing my edits. One editor, Sdrqaz has been helpful in the past, but they seem to be busy at the moment, so I am turning to you. I would really appreciate it if you would take a look. Thanks, ThomasClements Blackstone (talk) 14:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I am not listed as a member of WikiProject Finance & Investment anywhere to my knowledge and have no interest in this subject. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Planets[edit]

• Special:Permalink/1061374889
• planet#History

There's definitely stuff to transfer there, given that the content that you blanked has sources that the other article needs, for starters. Uncle G (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Special:Diff/1078426841/1078894432. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:16, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good show. Uncle G (talk) 04:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Robert Clinton Bogard[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

When admins patrol through CSD categories, they open up all of the pages in a criteria category and go through each page, one at a time. So, it helps if the editor who tags a page for CSD G4 deletion adds a link to the deletion discussion so the admin can just pop over and confirm that the discussion ended in a deletion decision and that the new article is sufficiently similar to the version that was deleted. In this case, it wouldn't have occurred to me that this page was deleted in an MFD discussion, not an AFD discussion.

Patrolling admins look over a lot of pages over the course of a day and it really helps not to have to go searching for deletion discussion pages when the tagger can just add a link to the deletion tag. Confusing CSD tagging frequently results in admins "passing over" the pages and leaving them for another admin to deal with, in this case, you corrected the tag yesterday but it was still sitting without action when I returned to it tonight. I appreciate all of the work you do on the project, from templates to tagging, I see your contributions on a daily basis. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging Pages for deletion[edit]

I noticed that you tagged my category for deletion. I read through deletion guidelines, and in no way does it break any of them. Also, it was never previously deleted via a deletion discussion, because I checked the deletion log. With your logic, any Wikipedia category with ancestry in it should be deleted. TatiVogue (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, any Wikipedia category with ancestry in it should be deleted. Because the community has come to a consensus against categorizing users by ancestry. G4 doesn't care about the title of the page you created; as long as it's fundamentally the same category, which it is. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then mark every one for deletion then. 🤷 TatiVogue (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other Wikipedians by ancestry categories I've missed? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that you only did it to POC ethnicities. Do you have an issue with people of color? soundsl ike you're being racist.......... 🤷 TatiVogue (talk) 15:47, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I nominated the entire Category:Wikipedians by ancestry tree for deletion back in May 2021, and saw the category you created and G4-ed it because I look at all newly-created user categories as a matter of course. Before accusing me of bias, can you point to a specific example of a non-POC ancestry category that I didn't nominate for deletion. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

G14[edit]

Hi! I removed your CSD tag from Nick Tanner (disambiguation), and converted it to a {{hndis}}. Wanted to drop you a message. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 17:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No objection. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some help needed[edit]

There are quite a few categories to be deleted per discussion on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 12 that I can't get emptied. Do you happen to know the remedy? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done most of them. The remainder are populated by Template:user x, which checks if a category exists before populating it, so an admin just needs to hit the delete button (and I've tagged them for deletion accordingly). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you very much, I am glad you know your way in this jungle. Can you also have a look at the closed discussions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 13? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

   Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CFD closures[edit]

Hello, Pppery,

Please let the editors who close CFD discussions tag categories that are due to be deleted. Categories must be emptied before they are deleted or we end up with a WP:REDNO situation that then has to be addressed. The few admins and editors who close CFD discussions are very experienced at this point so please let them handle all aspects of a closure. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: The editor who closed the CfDs above explicitly asked me to handle them in the previous section. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see that now, thanks for pointing it out. I didn't look at other messages on your talk page. I was mistaken. We still need to empty some of these categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: As I said on the categories themselves to hopefully avoid this eventuality, the current member[s are] populated by automatic template logic that checks if the category exists before populating it, so will disappear upon deletion. This whole project to clean up babel categories seems to be a recipe for pissing people off and accomplishing very little, and I probably wouldn't have bothered starting it if I had realized that a week ago. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VPM[edit]

Hi Pppery, thanks for your help with local engagement. The message I posted at WP:VPM seeks a wide audience so I wonder if you can consider cross-posting it, rather than moving it. It also seems redundant where it was moved, since a previous message on the same topic remains unarchived there. Please let me know what you think. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 03:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that something (regardless of what that thing is) should be cross-posted to Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), which is used to post messages that do not fit into any other category, in addition to one of the other category pages seems illogical to me. If it belongs at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF), then it by definition does not belong at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), since it fits into another category. I guess I can't stop you from reposting your message there, but I don't see a good reason to. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, and for explaining your thinking. Since global announcements are typically posted at WP:VPM, I think some cross-posting is okay here to make sure the draft and opportunity to provide input are not missed. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your improved version[edit]

Do you plan to upload a color-corrected version? I cropped the photo to get File:Green Bay in Lake Michigan on April 16, 1972, cropped from AS16-118-18879.png and File:Delta County, Michigan, cropped from AS16-118-18879.png; I'm definitely interested in your color corrections. If you intend on uploading your whole file, I could download and crop yours. Or if you don't plan on uploading the whole file, could you crop replacements for them? I am just fine with you uploading them over my crops and replacing them.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have no plans to upload any files myself, and am not sure why I was notified here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I confused you with User:Ahecht, who wrote that he did color corrections.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 23:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TfD text transclusion suppression[edit]

Hello. Could you please take a look at a few diffs I have provide? I'm still a little confused.

This is in regards to this TfD tag of yours [1], an unregistered user's apparent attempt to help [2] and my response [3]. which is somewhat confirmed when I noticed an edit by User:Jdcompguy [4].

All the above rather begs the question: Shouldn't this suppression somehow be done automatically? In fact, what is {{#invoke:Noinclude|noinclude|text=yes}} supposed to be doing. Naively, this looks to me to be precisely the automated suppression needed, but is not working? Perhaps something happened on WP:THURSDAY?

Thank you for your time. DB1729 (talk) 02:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The system is working exactly as intended; the transclusion is not supposed to be suppressed, and would not be if it weren't for people trying to declare their templates to be special snowflakes that are above the law. The purpose of {{#invoke:Noinclude|noinclude|text=yes}} is explained at Template talk:Tfm/Archive 1#TfM in template documentation if you really want to delve into technicalities. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:11, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the explanation. I really wasn't sure if the text was intended to be suppressed or not. I guess it just looked odd to me to see it in a hatnote. Cheers! --DB1729 (talk) 02:20, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sierra Leone Constitution[edit]

You deleted almost the entire article that I worked very hard to write on the Sierra Leone Constitution because it was "unsourced." I am going to change it back to the original unless you take the liberty of doing that yourself. The sections that you deleted was a summary of each section the Sierra Leone Constitution that would have been very valuable to the people who live there but don't have the time to read all 97 pages of it. Those sections did not warrant citation because they very clearly came from the text of the constitution itself (see Constitution of the United States which has minimal citations in the sections that summarize the text). Almost anyone (but apparently not you) understands that. I suggest that you read it to understand that my summarization was not disingenuous. I am insulted and disappointed that you cannot see the value that this article has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.c.gallego (talk • contribs) 00:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Verifiability is a core policy. The burden is on you to properly source material you add, not on me to find sources for it. Articles (or major sections of articles) should not be based on Wikipedia:Primary sources such as the constitution itself. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." The text of the constitution is straightforward. I merely summarized it. Michael.c.gallego (talk) 00:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Michael.c.gallego saying I am going to change it back to the original unless you take the liberty of doing that yourself is not acceptable. Wikipedia relies on consensus - if someone reverts your edit, the onus is on you to discuss the issue and find a solution. Making demands of other editrs like this are unacceptable. It's also rude to quote fragments of policies out of context to try to negate what others are saying to you - Pppery is quite right in their assessment. I will give you more feedback on your talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So ...[edit]

What is this "tool" you are referring to? Steel1943 (talk) 02:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In some cases, for small categories, closers just implement the result by manually editing each page in the category being renamed. In some cases Wikipedia:Cat-a-lot is used. More fundamentally, all that actually needs to happen to implement a CfD is for all pages to be removed from a category, and the process of how it is done does not matter. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who stands with Ukraine nomination for discussion, reply[edit]

Well actually, you should nominate it for deletion. I understand what you mean, I just wanted to express to Wikipedians how Ukraine is in bad condition due to war crisis. But that okay, maybe I should think about it. By the way, can you give me a favor on helping me improve these pages, Miss Earth 2022, Template:Country data Australian Aboriginal, and Independence referendum, if you wish to. Have a good day. LikeRealTimes ^{I got you a message!📩} 13:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LikeRealTimes: I'm a firm believer in the principle of consistent enforcement of the rules, not declaring that the war in Ukraine is special enough to be given an exception. And I see no reason why acting on that principle requires me to improve some unrelated articles, none of which are in obvious need of improvement. Finally, please don't use templates in your signature. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I now understand. Hope you can bring maintenance to Wikipedia. LikeRealTimes (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gerrit open changes[edit]

Hello!

Since you helped me some days ago with the Jenkins outputs I thought you'd be a good choice to quench my curiosity on this topic. Does every open task have to be closed (abandoned/merged) sometime or is there no "policy" on this? I was seeing that the list of open tasks extended as far back as 2013, spawning 223 pages. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In an ideal world, people would review every patch. Wikipedia is not an ideal world, as people only review the patches that interest them (and I'm not aware of any policy requiring them to do otherwise). This, incidentally, is the main reason I quit actively contributing to Gerrit some years ago. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 11:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Yes, I remember you mentioning that to me some months ago in a conversation at Trappist's talk page if I'm not wrong. Are backlog clearing drives a thing? Is there even somewhere where we can discuss such things? Why doesn't Gerrit have a forum venue where we can actually discuss about projects in general beside the individual patch comments? Or do these discussions happen in Phabricator/MW:Project:Support desk? Soon 10 years will have gone by since the oldest open patch is still open and waiting for review. Maybe such very old patches should be abandoned en-masse. (Or ideally reviewed en-masse and mostly abandoned.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They will be likely be abandoned en mass when GitLab replaces Gerrit. I've not been following Wikimedia development closely enough to answer any of your other questions. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 13:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I knew nothing about the GitLab initiative. You gave me something else to read about. :P Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback Request Service[edit]

Thanks a lot for re-adding my name to the FRS list. It keeps on saying that I have not edited in the last 6 months, and that is why it has removed my name from the list. But, that is wholly not true. I have always edited, and am always editing. What is wrong with this bot? Do you have any idea? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 02:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WT:FRS#Sending requests to dedicated user talk subpage. I emailed the operator a while ago about the bug, but they aren't very active and haven't responded. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:13, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all you help. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 02:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]