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SMcCandlish's On the Radar

Radar Mac.png  On the Radar:  An Occasional Newsletter on Wikipedia's Challenges

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According to WashPo, WMF has tapped a South African nonprofit executive and lawyer to be its new executive director. While I've been saying for a decade that WMF has to stop hiring software- and online-services-industry people to run an NGO, and hire NGO people, this one – Maryana Iskander – is rather cagey and bureaucratic, or comes off that way in the interview.
  • First up is a belief that the WMF Universal Code of Conduct (drafted in supposed consulation with all WMF editorial communities but largely ignoring all their feedback) is the key to diversifying Wikipedia's editorial pool. (And as always in mainstream media, "Wikipedia" means en.wikipedia.org.) The entire UCC is basically a restatement of some key WP (and Commons, and Wiktionary) policies plus some WMF "vision" hand-waving. It's questionably reasonable to expect a largely redundant document, which was created for projects that lack sufficient policy development, and which has and will continue to have little impact on en.Wikipedia, to cause a sea change in who volunteers to edit here. That takes real-world outreach on a major scale. One would think a nonprofit CEO would already get that.
  • Next up, Iskander makes rather unclear reference to section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. This content-liability shield has been much in the US news lately, as a target of the Republican Party in its feud with "big tech", especially social media sites deplatforming far-right writers for anti-democracy propaganda and misinformation about the public health crisis. Iskander is correct that WMF isn't in a danger position in this, but the article strongly implies that Iskander and WMF are keenly interested and involved. Even when prompted, Iskander does not meaningfully elaborate, and just offers an education-is-important dodge. So, we need more actual information on what WMF is doing with regard to efforts to revise section 230.
  • Moving on, Iskander says something alarming: "Wikipedia has seen a huge amount of increased traffic around covid-19, [so has] worked on a very productive partnership with the World Health Organization to provide additional credibility to that work." That's hard to distinguish from a statement that WHO has editorial plants who WP:OWN the relevant articles. But it's cause for concern whatever the truth is. WMF should not be "partnering" with any external body to influence the encyclopedia's content (especially not one that has taken as many credibility hits as the WHO).
  • There's something potentially interesting in here, though devils could reside in the details: "a lot of the basic access issues might technically look different [between SA and US], but how people understand what information is available to them – how they access it – those issues exist everywhere". What is this going to mean on a practical level? Is MOS:ACCESS going to be better-enforced? Is Simple English Wikipedia going to be reintegrated into the main site as alternative articles? Is the mobile version of the site going to stop dropping features? Is WP:GLAM going to turn into a bigger effort? There are a hundred ways (sensible and otherwise) this statement could be made to affect policy, funding, and the end "product" (though one suspects nothing important will change for the better unless the internal culture of WMF's organizational leadership also changes in a major way, such as by diversifying the board of directors, toward more academics and nonprofit people instead of tech-industry rich people).
In short, I have hopes that Iskander's NGO background will make for a better exec. dir. fit than that last two we've had, but right out of the gate she's saying strange, too-vague, and even troubling things. And nothing in the interview actually suggests anything like a fix for WP's editorial diversity problem, which the headline suggested was going to be the focus.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  15:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"It is possible to detect eerie echoes of the confessional state of yore", and today's far left is recycling techniques from fun times like the Inquisition. I've been saying this for years, and the article is a good summary of how "left-wing" and "leftist" do not always align with "liberal". It's an observation too few mainstream writers have been willing to make, but the truth of it explains a great deal of disruptive PoV-pushing on Wikipedia. Illiberal left-wing activism is often harder to detect, and harder for the average editor to publicly resist, than far-right extremism, which we tend to recognize then delete on sight.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  18:51, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
An Information Research survey shows that people's editing motivation is often "their desire to change the views of society", and also that they view Wikipedia as a "social media site". This isn't news to us, and the material doesn't have a huge statistical sample, but I would bet real money that it will be re-confirmed by later studies. This has systemic bias, neutrality, and conflict of interest implications (also not news). What we don't really think much about it is what this means for Wikipedia long-term, as everyone with an agenda becomes more aware that they can try to sneakily leverage Wikipedia articles to boost their side of any story, especially after the Trump 2016 US presidential campaign proved that powerful results can pulled off by organized manipulation of "social media" sites (whether WP really is one or not is irrelevant if the public thinks it is).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  23:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The 2017 Community Wishlist Survey has closed; the results are here, and as disappointing as in previous years. This process is fundamentally flawed, for numerous reasons:
  • Only the top-ten proposals will get any resources devoted to them, no matter how many there are, or how urgent or important they are.
  • It's a straight-vote, canvassing-allowed, no-rationale-needed, short-term "popularity contest" – normal Wikimedian consensus-building is thwarted.
  • This setup encourages people to vote for the 10 things they want most, then vote against every other proposal even if they agree with it. Proposals cannot build support over time.
  • There's no "leveling of the playing field" between categories. Important proposals of narrower interest (e.g. to admins, or to technical people) never pass, only the lowest-common-denominator ones do – and the most-canvassed ones.
  • Too few Wikimedians even know the survey exists or when it is open, which greatly compounds the skew caused by focused canvassing – the intentional spikes actually determine the outcome.
I've drafted some suggestions for making it work better.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  18:08, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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please Help Me![edit]

Hi please review this article Thanks. Draft:Majid_Mozaffari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir ghpro (talk • contribs) 14:26, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Amir ghpro: How many more times would you like me to decline it? You have to make a case for notability, not just spam citations from unknown sources. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

question re role at WP:HIST[edit]

hi. thanks for your great help with WP:HIST! I was wondering, could I please list you as a "coordinator" there? your terrific work with helping to maintain the project, and manage the members list, shows that you are already fulfilling a valuable role there. I hope that's ok. feel free to let me know. you can ping me here, if you reply here. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 13:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sm8900: I must decline your invitation. I am not a member of that WikiProject and am no longer contributing in the main namespace. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for your note on my 10th anniversary of my first edit day! Can't believe it's been 10 years. It was great to be notified about it. LovelyEdit talkedits

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for wishing so many people a happy birthday! 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 12:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mr Reading Turtle: Thanks for the thanks! While some editors don't care at all about receiving recognition in a general sense, some editors really appreciate it; some crave that personal message. The work you and I and others perform is editor retention, as it is quite normal for some folks to get disillusioned on this website. After all, the encyclopedia only exists because of our fellow editors. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In Appreciation[edit]

Hello, I wish to thank you for bringing to my attention the mistakes I made on Missing Wikipedians. I very much appreciate it and I have learned from it all thanks to you. Hope to see you again, thanks! IMiss2010 (talk) 13:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IMiss2010: Your quite welcome. I appreciate your contributions to WP:MIA and I'm happy to see you continue. I always want to encourage everyone be the best that they can be. If ever you want help learning other aspects of Wikipedia, feel free to ask. I (and those editors who stalk my talk page) would be glad to point you in the right direction. We're all in this together. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:02, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of ANI discussion[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Húsönd 23:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extendedconfirmed and extendedmover[edit]

Hi Chris. I was looking through some stuff on Quarry and noticed something funny about you: You're not extendedconfirmed. In fact yours is the only active account that lacks extendedconfirmed but has other rights (excluding confirmed, bot, and sysop), other than two former admins who haven't edited since they were desysopped and thus haven't been autopromoted. I took a look at the context, and I see that you requested having your MMS and extendedmover rights removed; shortly after, your MMS and extendedconfirmed rights were removed. It's been about 18 months since then, so perhaps you've already noticed by now, but just thought I'd point it out in case you hadn't. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 13:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tamzin: Thanks for pointing this out; perhaps there was indeed a mistake made by the admin involved. I might at some point look into getting the matter resolved so my username isn't a spurious entry on that query. That said, I gave up editing in the main namespace with rare exceptions, so I don't need to be extendedconfirmed as it would be a userright I would not use, in contravention of Wikipedia:HATSHOP. Thanks again for your careful attention. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment at BN[edit]

I genuinely don't understand what you're saying and have enough respect for your username to be interested to know what you mean. Would you mind explaining it? In my defence, I'm tired (you can probably tell... this comment is unnecessarily tangled) and it's probably obvious, so I'll apologise now! --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 20:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dweller: I've been carefully considering my response. I realized that a fulsome reply would involve much research into the past discussions about 'crat discretionary range that brought us here. In the interests of providing a useful answer now, I'll explain that my earlier comment pointed to the 2019 expansion of discretionary range taking adminship requests out of the hands of editors and into the hands of 'crats who can now divine the voters' intent as well as disregard votes which shouldn't count. If RfA were a pure vote 158 supports and 72 opposes is still 68.7% and we live with the math deciding. Those who make too much of adminship couldn't accept math and they pushed ever-expanding "discretionary range." The 2019 RfC was the final straw for me and I quit paying attention to RfA. Now that RfA is a political decision, the bureaucrats are thoroughly politicized, far from the boring button-pushers we as a community used to trust. Perhaps this is why they're talking now about picking someone else for that button-pushing job. Questions like how much should bureaucrats weigh re-confirmations misses the point that 'crats can just argue for their preference. There is no math involved because the entire system was compromised. I hope that helps. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. There's a lot there. I disagree with a lot (most) of it, but I'm grateful for you taking the time to explain yourself and I didn't come here for an argument. Peace. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 19:43, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lot there. You seem to be proposing a purely formulaic approach to deciding consensus with any consideration of strength of argument? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:52, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Strength of argument is fine for XfD, where you often have few comments either way. RfA's get plenty of participation. And while you might like to make or break candidates based upon particular criteria, what actually happens is a political discussion where we collectively decide which candidates will bear a huge ego inflation as they can block our accounts and delete our content. I've never had one of my votes at RfA thrown out but I'm not going to participate in a system where my input can be so easily disregarded on such a weighty matter. ARBCOM is straight vote. What good is accomplished by not allowing RfA to be a vote? Perhaps it is you, not me the misanthrope, who doesn't trust the community of your fellow editors. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks[edit]

Hey! i saw that you reviewed my page. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiegoonusRHF (talk • contribs) 01:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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