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November 21 | 1 | |
December 8 | 1 | |
December 21 | 1 | |
December 25 | 1 | 1 |
December 30 | 1 | |
January 6 | 1 | |
January 7 | 2 | |
January 22 | 1 | |
January 23 | 1 | |
January 24 | 2 | |
January 26 | 1 | |
January 28 | 1 | 1 |
January 29 | 1 | |
January 31 | 2 | |
February 1 | 1 | |
February 2 | 1 | |
February 5 | 1 | |
February 8 | 2 | 1 |
February 9 | 2 | |
February 10 | 2 | 1 |
February 11 | 2 | |
February 12 | 1 | |
February 13 | 2 | |
February 14 | 1 | |
February 15 | 1 | |
February 17 | 2 | |
February 18 | 5 | 2 |
February 19 | 6 | |
February 20 | 3 | 2 |
February 21 | 4 | 2 |
February 23 | 6 | 1 |
February 24 | 5 | 1 |
February 25 | 2 | |
February 26 | 4 | 1 |
February 27 | 9 | 7 |
February 28 | 12 | 4 |
March 1 | 10 | 4 |
March 2 | 8 | 8 |
March 3 | 12 | 8 |
March 4 | 11 | 5 |
March 5 | 12 | 8 |
March 6 | 10 | 5 |
March 7 | 6 | 3 |
March 8 | 13 | 8 |
March 9 | 13 | 6 |
March 10 | 14 | 4 |
March 11 | 10 | 2 |
March 12 | 9 | 3 |
March 13 | 9 | 2 |
March 14 | 3 | 1 |
March 15 | ||
Total | 231 | 91 |
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Frequently asked questions[edit]
How do I write an interesting hook?
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
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Instructions for reviewers[edit]
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
- Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
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How to promote an accepted hook[edit]
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How to remove a rejected hook[edit]
- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
- In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line
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How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]
- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
- Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
- View the edit history for that page
- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
- Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
- Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
- If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]
- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations[edit]
Older nominations[edit]
Articles created/expanded on November 21[edit]
University of Texas at Arlington Rebel theme controversy
... that the University of Texas at Arlington Rebel theme controversy (Rebel theme pictured) ended after it caused "discord and contention" and "adversely affected the morale" on campus?Source: Saxon 1995, p. 117
Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC).
Date and length fine. AGF on book source. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. Picture licence fine. Good to go. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what source is supposed to support the hook statement that the controversy ended, but the article doesn't seem to:
many supporters of the Rebel theme had hard feelings about the whole experience, some of whom remained opposed to the change and Harrison's actions decades later
. This indicates to me that while the Rebel theme was replaced (with Maverick), said removal, and the theme itself, remains controversial, even as its retention was controversial at the time. A new hook would seem to be needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- How about this? Michael Barera (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1
... that the University of Texas System Board of Regents grew tired of the University of Texas at Arlington Rebel theme controversy (Rebel theme pictured) and voted to abolish the Rebel theme in 1971?Source: Barker & Worcester 2015, p. 73; Saxon 1995, p. 117
- Michael Barera, I feel ALT1 is too repetitive: the phrase "Rebel theme" is used three times, and "University of Texas" appears twice. Looking at the image source, it says "Rebels mascot" rather than "Rebel theme", so reflecting that could help the "pictured" bit. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, BlueMoonset, what would you prefer to see? Michael Barera (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Michael Barera, not to be flip, but something that is a) supported by a source and by the article itself, and b) not repetitive. I've looked through the article a few times, and have had trouble coming up with something that is both interesting and meets both a) and b). I've struck the original and ALT1 hooks, and hope you're able to find something more effective and supported without being repetitious. Best of luck. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, BlueMoonset, what would you prefer to see? Michael Barera (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Michael Barera, I feel ALT1 is too repetitive: the phrase "Rebel theme" is used three times, and "University of Texas" appears twice. Looking at the image source, it says "Rebels mascot" rather than "Rebel theme", so reflecting that could help the "pictured" bit. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if a corollary of WP:DYKSG#D5 applies here; we may want to see what happens with the merge proposal before continuing with this, as it wouldn't be good for this to appear on the Main Page with a merge banner. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
Reiterating icon here; holds do apply to merge proposals as well as AfD nominations. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:59, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
- Is this nomination going to move anytime soon? It's been held up since December and the merge discussion has yet to be completed. This is the oldest currently open DYK nomination, so if it's not going to move forward within a reasonable timeframe it may be time to close this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:44, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: seems like not, but I'm curious—we keep finding ourselves in this position, and we can't be the only ones. Is there any way to get more eyes on merge proposals? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- I've notified the 4 related WikiProjects on the talk pages. Hopefully that will help a bit. This is a relatively complicated merger though; the articles involved are fairly large. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 23:59, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: seems like not, but I'm curious—we keep finding ourselves in this position, and we can't be the only ones. Is there any way to get more eyes on merge proposals? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- As the oldest active nomination and with the merger discussion still not closed, I'm starting to wonder if we should simply close this nomination as stale. Courtesy ping to Michael Barera in case they haven't seen the rest of the discussion yet. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:09, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
This nomination needs a follow up. Flibirigit (talk) 17:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- For what it's worth the merge discussion does appear to be leaning towards towards a merge so far, with two merge !votes and even the article creator being open to one. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 8[edit]
Environmental defender
- ... that environmental defenders on the front of the global environmental justice movement are being killed at a rate of about three per week?Source: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-lawsocsci-031720-074856 Source2:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301694370
- Comment: This is my first DYK attempt, so please forgive my unfamiliarity with this process! Thanks.
Expanded 5x by Larataguera (talk). Self-nominated, 13 December 2021 (UTC).
- Welcome to DYK! I'll be taking on this review. Some notes in advance: I'm also a newbie (this will be my third review), but so long as each of us do our best it should work out alright. Also, this review is happening faster-than-norm, so don't expect this fast of a review for future nominations, please! With all that aside, best of luck, and the initial review will be up shortly. Canadianerk (talk) 02:14, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
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sources are missing for the end of the paragraphs in sections "Legal framework" and "Renewable energy..." - Neutral:
- I think the article needs to cover all significant viewpoints under WP:POV. I don't believe that the criticism by "governments, corporations and local elites" (the use of local elites raises concerns as well, WP:VOICE, judgemental/political, questionable whether neutral?) summarized to 3 sentences under "Criticism and response", and dismissing it as financial interest in relevant projects, is acceptable under the Neutrality policy. Obviously, providing too many/niche examples could cause things to spiral wildly out of scope, and the amount of balance needs to be guided by WP:UNDUE - but providing something seems appropriate (and necessary) for neutrality to be established. While relevant to the article, the section is focused only on criticism from fellow activists and academia. To my knowledge, a standalone article could probably be made about the range of views on this aspect alone, so there are plenty of options to draw upon. (if there is one, linking to it and summarizing it briefly within this one could help resolve this neutrality problem as well).
I'm a bit concerned overall about the article, how much is written as fact vs opinion - any reassurance on the overall neutrality of the article would be helpful.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
- Some concerns:
The last sentence of the first paragraph in Criticism and Response looks like a potential WP:OR or MOS:TERRORIST, as it isn't explicitly stated by the source cited? I ctrl+f'd the use of the word terror, and I think this is the passage that is being referenced: "The so called “War on Terror” intensified the stigmatization and criminalization of activism both in North America and the EU. For instance, Europol qualifies various forms of protest and action against resource extraction companies as “single issue terrorism”, which has led to increasing surveillance and criminalization" - finding a source which more directly supports the claim might be an easier option to pursue, as "intensified stigmatization and criminalization" doesn't equate "In the Global North, the war on terror has resulted in environmental defenders being cast as terrorists" to me. I can see the implication there, but I'm concerned whether it's enough to support it as is.I'm not familiar with the policy/precedent so this isn't like, a 100% urgent problem, but what's with just calling out the last name of authors of sources? I took a brief look around, but I've only seen something like that where their names were already established. I'd suspect it would be confusing to the average reader if "However, Ghazoul and Kleinschroth" is just in the middle of a paragraph, without any context on who they are. It's done several times throughout - it's open for discussion, so if you know the relevant policy that would help, and of course, any help from any other people on whether this is okay would be helpful.There's not much/any context on how land is defended within the article. This concern in particular I don't think is necessary to address, but just wanted to note this - this alone isn't going to hold back this nomination imo.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- I think it is interesting, but it would benefit by being a tease, (only providing part of the context), so removing "on the front of the global environmental justice movement" could help boost its "hookiness". Only relevant if the other issues are resolved obviously, so just noting this suggestion here.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Well, going in I thought this would be simple to review - but indeed, just like the subject matter, this is a very complicated subject. So, I want to make sure to get this right. To do as much due-diligence as possible, I did look through your talk page's discussion of this article to understand the background, in addition to the normal review process. I believe your concern about whether this article can stand on its own is relevant - particularly because more commonly used terms "climate activist" and "environmental activist" are redirects into articles about the movement (Individual action on climate change for the former - Environmentalism for the latter) instead of standalone articles... I'm not sure why that is, but if you have that concern, it's concerning to me. An article on mainpage shouldn't have concern on the part of the nominator that the article could be deleted? Or did I miss something in that convo? But ultimately, for the purposes of this review, the state of articles outside of the review isn't within my scope. I've flagged some issues above, some more serious/relevant than others. For now, I am leaving the initial as Maybe, so this can be discussed further, I'm not going to reject the nomination at this stage - and of course, comments from other volunteers at DYK would be helpful too. I hope this makes sense - if you have questions/need clarification don't hesitate to ask - I'm going to try to explain my thinking as the discussion goes on. Thank you for your patience Larataguera, and I hope that regardless of the result of the discussion, we both learn from this process! Canadianerk (talk) 18:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Canadianerk for this prompt and thorough review. I've made a few changes to try and address some of these issues. Does the additional example in the criticism section (for tactics) help balance the POV? Give me a day or so to address some of your other notes. As far as this article's relation to other pages, it is a bit complicated, but there's plenty of sources here to establish that this is a notable topic, and there was consensus on my talk page for me to create this page.
- Again, thanks for the review.
- Canadianerk I agree with your concern that the article may not meet NPOV, but I am not a specialist in the subject. Would it make sense to start a discussion on NPOV on the article talk page and invite comments from relevant Wikiprojects like environment and climate change?
- Larataguera in future, your own talk page is probably not the best place to establish a broad consensus. Also, you need to sign your talk page posts with four tildes for notifications to work. TSventon (talk) 18:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
- Here's where I'm at, Larataguera - I want to be very clear, and thank you for your efforts to cover a complicated subject. Your response to my review did significantly improve the article in the other areas of concern, and the time+effort put in is appreciated. But when it comes to NPOV, I'm still not certain whether this article meets the policy. And I simply cannot ignore that uncertainty, no matter how strong or weak it is. I agree with TSventon, this article requires attention from outside the DYK process, from people more familiar with this subject area. So, a NPOV discussion seems like the most appropriate step forward. With all the above in mind, here's the next steps: It's time to establish a NPOV discussion in the talk page. From there, I'm going to leave it to you and other editors to debate and review the neutrality of the article. If the result is that the page is fine/edits resolve any NPOV concerns, I will be request a fresh review from an uninvolved editor here at DYK. A more experienced, non-involved reviewer taking a look (+comments from DYK regulars,) in that scenario is ideal. If the discussion results in a different outcome, I can close this nomination as "No", as appropriate. As with my review, I hope this outcome makes sense. It's unfortunate that it turned out this way, and thank you for your patience Larataguera. Best of luck, and I hope you don't become discouraged by whatever the outcomes are. Please keep trying! -Next, I regret to say that at time of writing, I do not have time to set up the talk page discussion. Apologies! I can do it later if necessary- Finally, thank you TSventon for your comment, it was very helpful. My thanks to you both, Canadianerk (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Canadianerk, thanks for giving it a shot. I wish I better understood the POV concerns so that I could fix them, but it sounds like it's just a general uncertainty and unfamiliarity with the topic. I get it. It occurs to me that articles on environmental justice topics are unlikely to be featured on DYK, because this uncertainty about POV would be common: it's a potentially contentious field of study that many people are unfamiliar with. I'm not saying my article couldn't have POV issues. I'm just observing that Wikipedia as a whole may not be well equipped to deal with those issues through the processes that benefit other articles. If this article were about a baseball player or a new technology, most DYK volunteers would probably feel capable of assessing the POV and guiding the author toward an acceptable article. This gap in Wikipedia's capabilities is a symptom of systemic bias. Of course that's not your fault. It's not even your responsibility to do anything about it. I'm just reflecting on my experience with this process. I think you've done a great job and been very helpful.
- Anyway, thanks for your help. I'm fine with a NPOV discussion on the talk page. If that just means putting a section on the talk page and asking about POV, I can do that. I'm not sure what would come of it. I rather doubt too many people are watching the page, but I suppose we could try it. Larataguera (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- What it comes down to is simply my inexperience on Wikipedia. My frame of reference for these types of articles and the subject's neutrality is inherently tied to the news media, which has its own biases - complicating my ability to confidently judge NPOV in this area. You're right - my uncertainty is a reflection of a problem that Wikipedia as a whole is still grappling with. As an intersection of politics, economics and human rights amidst other possible fields and factors, it's a lot to weigh for me -- I've made several attempts to write out the problem to try to resolve this myself, and they are coming off to me as biased when I read them back, towards "left" AND "right" leaning arguments on this subject... it's changed back and forth, depending on which instance. It could be a symptom of my own mental health, lack of confidence, biases, lack of knowledge, or a combination of. And as a new DYK reviewer in particular, I'm trying to be more cautious (or paranoid...) than others. So, I appreciate your thoughts Larataguera - and I'm sorry I couldn't be more helpful! With the above clear to me, I'm adjusting next steps a tad. I'm leaving a comment at the DYK talk page, as more experienced reviewers weighing in should be helpful. If it doesn't end up helping, or the same idk is the consensus, we can make requests for support at the NPOV noticeboard; WP:PROCC; WP:CSB; and/or WP:HR. Canadianerk (talk) 08:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
With all the above in mind, I'm opting to close my participation in this as "Again" instead of just leaving this review sitting in limbo. Hopefully that gets this process moving again soon - I've posted a link to this under the "Older nominations" page - this will be addressed, but I have no control over when I'm afraid. Farewell Larataguera, and to repeat myself just a tad - do keep contributing, please! All the best - Canadianerk (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- No comment on other issues but I think this topic needs to be merged to environmentalist as as far as I can tell, "environmental defender" is just a (slightly POV?) synonym for environmentalist. (t · c) buidhe 22:57, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think the main problem is that the article pretty much relies on sources that are sympathetic to the subjects' work and argue in favor of their protection. As I've argued in the merge discussion, an issue is that the concept itself seems to be used only by people who argue in favor of more protections and rights for environmentalists who face criminal charges, oppression and harassment from the powers that be. I'm obviously not saying we should create WP:FALSEBALANCE by citing climate change denial literature, but the positioning of the sources will make it difficult to create a NPOV-compliant article at the moment. Perhaps this is only a temporary thing and we will have to wait a few years to achieve true NPOV. Regardless of the foregoing, I've run a limited spotcheck and verification has failed three times ([1][2][3] [perhaps I've missed something? Open to being corrected]), which would indicate that the article does not pass WP:DYKCRIT #4. JBchrch talk 13:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- JBchrch. What does it mean that it may be "difficult to create a NPOV-compliant article at the moment"? This article describes the existing scholarship on this topic. If the existing scholarship advocates for additional protections and rights for environmental defenders, then an NPOV article would say that. It wouldn't be NPOV if there were another body of existing scholarship left out of the article, but I don't think that's the case here. (If you find something, please let me know). Regarding your spotchecks--I'll concede that there are (or were and possibly remain) some poorly phrased or poorly sourced statements, but I think they are consistent with the literature. For example, this removal is just a textbook definition of environmental injustice. The existing literature broadly concludes that environmental injustice does exist. It isn't a POV problem to point that out (even if the statement could be better phrased or better sourced). I find that talking about environmental injustice on Wikipedia frequently raises POV concerns, but I would encourage everyone to treat it as any other topic, and simply look at what the scholarship says about it, and say that. It is certainly not appropriate, as JBchrch seems to suggest in the above comment, for us to anticipate some nonexistent body of research (presumably suggesting that environmental injustice doesn't exist?) and claim that we can't have NPOV until that body of literature materilises. Larataguera (talk) 08:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Larataguera: It is not outlandish to suggest that a field of inquiry might be too recent to achieve NPOV: that is a problem that can happen in the biomedical topic area, for instance. If I read your sources, the concept started to gain currency in 2017 or so. That is very recent and it's all I'm saying. I don't think simply talking about environmental injustice on Wikipedia leads to POV concerns by itself, but I would note that in this very comment of yours you claim that
as powerful multi-national corporations reap the benefits of this extraction while marginalized communities bear the burdens
is basically a WP:BLUESKY claim. Do you see how that way of approaching things might lead to some editing conflicts? JBchrch talk 11:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)- @JBchrch: This concept became increasingly important beginning with the UN declaration on human rights defenders in 1998. There were important legal cases using the ED framework as early as 2009; Global Witness released reports about deaths of EDs in the early 2000s; so yes, the concept is fairly new. Perhaps the article could better describe the timeframe for which this concept has been adopted. I haven't seen any Wikipedia or DYK guidelines concerning treatment of new topics. I would have thought that NPOV would describe the existing literature and be clear about the timeframe the topic has been established. We're looking at 10-20 years here depending how you measure it.
- I'm not saying the above quote is necessarily a WP:BLUESKY claim (although in the context of an article on an environmental justice topic it's very nearly so). I'm acknowledging that it was possibly not adequately sourced, but I'm saying that it doesn't constitute a POV problem. While environmental defenders may be a fairly new concept, Environmental justice is a concept that has been around for over four decades and constitutes a sizeable global movement and body of literature. It is reasonable to simplify the basic premise of that movement and literature to the statement that powerful people and corporations receive benefits from environmental extraction, and marginalized communities bear the burdens of those activities. eg., pg 4 final paragraph To state this well-established observation in the context of an article about an EJ topic is not a POV problem. If it is perceived as a POV problem (and it appears to be) on Wikipedia, I'll suggest that this is because most Wikipedia editors receive the benefits of these activities and do not bear the burdens. This constitutes systemic bias that predisposes Wikipedia editors (as a whole, not necessarily as individuals) to perceive a POV problem when presented with environmental justice issues. So yes, in answer to your question, I do see how talking about EJ issues can lead to editing conflicts. But I think that Wikipedia as a whole desperately needs to learn to work through those conflicts in order to correct systemic bias. Again, thank you for your time and your work on this topic! Larataguera (talk) 05:28, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- Possibly it makes sense to think about it like this: If this were an article related to climate change, and it included the statement, 'global climate is changing because of greenhouse gas emissions', another editor might reasonably mark that statement as needing citation (or just find a citation for it), but the statement probably wouldn't be removed and used to support a claim that the article doesn't meet NPOV. I think the fact that some people reap benefits of environmental extraction while marginalised communities bear the burdens is broadly supported by decades of study in the social sciences. Climate change as a function of GHG emissions is similarly supported by decades of study in climate science. The climate science is well understood by the majority of established Wikipedia editors. Environmental justice not so much. Larataguera (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Larataguera: It is not outlandish to suggest that a field of inquiry might be too recent to achieve NPOV: that is a problem that can happen in the biomedical topic area, for instance. If I read your sources, the concept started to gain currency in 2017 or so. That is very recent and it's all I'm saying. I don't think simply talking about environmental injustice on Wikipedia leads to POV concerns by itself, but I would note that in this very comment of yours you claim that
- JBchrch. What does it mean that it may be "difficult to create a NPOV-compliant article at the moment"? This article describes the existing scholarship on this topic. If the existing scholarship advocates for additional protections and rights for environmental defenders, then an NPOV article would say that. It wouldn't be NPOV if there were another body of existing scholarship left out of the article, but I don't think that's the case here. (If you find something, please let me know). Regarding your spotchecks--I'll concede that there are (or were and possibly remain) some poorly phrased or poorly sourced statements, but I think they are consistent with the literature. For example, this removal is just a textbook definition of environmental injustice. The existing literature broadly concludes that environmental injustice does exist. It isn't a POV problem to point that out (even if the statement could be better phrased or better sourced). I find that talking about environmental injustice on Wikipedia frequently raises POV concerns, but I would encourage everyone to treat it as any other topic, and simply look at what the scholarship says about it, and say that. It is certainly not appropriate, as JBchrch seems to suggest in the above comment, for us to anticipate some nonexistent body of research (presumably suggesting that environmental injustice doesn't exist?) and claim that we can't have NPOV until that body of literature materilises. Larataguera (talk) 08:38, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
We should not be calling for a new reviewer until the merge discussion has been closed; if the merge happens, there's no need for a review, and if it doesn't, then the review can resume. Review on hold until then. I have also moved the above discussion to after the review so it is outside the DYK checklist template rather than inside. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help with moving comments, and flagging this for passersby. Canadianerk (talk) 04:03, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset How long are we giving for the merge discussion to get somewhere? SL93 (talk) 01:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same- in fact, i was wondering if we should just start holding/listing merge discussions at AfD... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, pure merge proposals are really their own thing, especially when deletion isn't in the cards (and it isn't here). SL93, as long as the merge discussion is ongoing, we shouldn't proceed. However, there hasn't been any addition to said discussion since January 1, so there's no reason it couldn't be closed now by an uninvolved editor. Once that happens, if the close isn't "Merge" (and given the comments there, I don't see that as at all likely), then we can call for a new reviewer. I agree it would be good if this happens soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- I was wondering the same- in fact, i was wondering if we should just start holding/listing merge discussions at AfD... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:31, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- It's been over a week since the last comment. Maybe someone here who's uninvolved with the merge proposal could close it so that action can be taken on this nomination? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:33, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
Merge template was removed from the article by Sadads (though the merge section on the talk page has not itself been closed), who judged that there was no consensus to merge, so the article remains separate and this nomination needs to be reviewed in that light. Thank you to anyone who takes this on. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 21[edit]
Price of the Modi Years
- ... that Price of the Modi Years states that India lost 20% of its workforce under Prime Minister Narendra Modi? Source: Aakar Patel: ‘Modi shrank India’s workforce by a fifth’ Hindu
- Reviewed: Exempt
- Comment: Working to expand the article.
Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 07:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC).
Article is new enough and long enough. Hook is interesting and within prescribed limits. Image of book cover is fair use and will not appear on WP front page in the DYK section. Sources check. Earwig dup detector shows no close paraphrasing to speak of. Good to go. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL and Gwillhickers: Hi there! I think there's room to the book's sarcastic quip in the hook here:
- ... that according to Price of the Modi Years, Prime Minister Narendra Modi "has not received due credit" for shrinking India's workforce by a fifth?
- What do y'all think? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL and Gwillhickers: Hi there! I think there's room to the book's sarcastic quip in the hook here:
- Since the article/hook has already been approved, I'll leave that up to Venkat TL We might simply want to mention that in the lede, again, if Venkat TL thinks the statement is ledeworthy. Of course I suppose you're free to make such an edit. I've no objections. Cheers. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:15, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, thank you for the ALT, I think it is even better than what I had proposed. I prefer your alt over mine. Gwillhickers, it is already added in the section on Content. I have no objections to any of the ALTs. Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I'm going to put this on hold while this and another nomination are up for discussion at WT:DYK. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 11:02, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron The discussion appears to be over. SL93 (talk) 07:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93 and Venkat TL: Well, the article does have a lot of substantial content now, but the book's arguments are still posed in Wikipedia's voice. That should probably be cleared up first theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and Venkat TL: I tried to see if I could fix the article, but the seventh reference under the content section isn't about the book. I think it should be removed. SL93 (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Are you referring to this link [4]? Frontline is a reputed Indian political magazine from The Hindu. This article is about the book where the author is discussing the book's content. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- I know that the source is reliable, but the article only says "Interview with Aakar Patel, author of ‘Price of the Modi Years’." I can see that it is an interview about the same issue, but I see nothing that says that the specific content in the interview is in the book. Maybe a proper place for that information would be in a background section. SL93 (talk) 14:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Are you referring to this link [4]? Frontline is a reputed Indian political magazine from The Hindu. This article is about the book where the author is discussing the book's content. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and Venkat TL: I tried to see if I could fix the article, but the seventh reference under the content section isn't about the book. I think it should be removed. SL93 (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93 and Venkat TL: Well, the article does have a lot of substantial content now, but the book's arguments are still posed in Wikipedia's voice. That should probably be cleared up first theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron The discussion appears to be over. SL93 (talk) 07:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, thank you for the ALT, I think it is even better than what I had proposed. I prefer your alt over mine. Gwillhickers, it is already added in the section on Content. I have no objections to any of the ALTs. Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and Venkat TL: I made changes to the article. What do you think? SL93 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
yeah, this works! I'll make some tweaks during prep, but this is good to go. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 00:05, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I have pulled this from prep as the article needs further work; see this discussion. Gatoclass (talk) 11:04, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL, Gwillhickers, Theleekycauldron, and SL93: Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:, it is my understanding that some people are holding this DYK, saying the article needs to include praises of Modi. I am not getting any content to add into the article. So waiting for more book reviews to get published. Do you have any suggestions to resolve the impasse? Venkat TL (talk) 13:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL and Narutolovehinata5: I think the hangup is that even if there are no criticisms of the book+praises of Modi out there, even if this article entirely represents due weight of secondary sourcing as written, WP:DYK#gen4 still states that
Articles and hooks that ... promote one side of an ongoing dispute should be avoided.
If the book hasn't broken into wide enough circulation to receive opposition, I'd say that this article shouldn't be featured on the front page. Some publications don't circulate wide enough to receive notice from critics, but that doesn't mean that those publications represent a perfect-but-partisan analysis. It just means the small sample size of the available sourcing doesn't give a neutral overview. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:56, 11 February 2022 (UTC)- theleekycauldron, I dont think it is the book that is creating the problem here. It is the media censorship in India. As with any authoritarian regime, it very hard to criticize the regime. Due to the regime's arm-twisting tactics, a criticism comes with the cost. Since the book publication, the author has been harassed by tax agencies and the book publisher (an Amazon company) has shut down shop (not sold, shut down). The book is selling well and I believe reviews will continue to come out. I did the last check couple of weeks ago, will wait for some more weeks, update the article and will ask for fresh review. Venkat TL (talk) 09:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL: Well, that is an issue, but there's not much we can do about that. We've still got time, so I don't see why we can't wait a bit longer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, I am not doing Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. Thanks for patience. Venkat TL (talk) 09:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- Definitely wasn't claiming you were! sorry if it came off that way theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:48, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, I am not doing Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. Thanks for patience. Venkat TL (talk) 09:47, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL: Well, that is an issue, but there's not much we can do about that. We've still got time, so I don't see why we can't wait a bit longer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:30, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I dont think it is the book that is creating the problem here. It is the media censorship in India. As with any authoritarian regime, it very hard to criticize the regime. Due to the regime's arm-twisting tactics, a criticism comes with the cost. Since the book publication, the author has been harassed by tax agencies and the book publisher (an Amazon company) has shut down shop (not sold, shut down). The book is selling well and I believe reviews will continue to come out. I did the last check couple of weeks ago, will wait for some more weeks, update the article and will ask for fresh review. Venkat TL (talk) 09:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Venkat TL and Narutolovehinata5: I think the hangup is that even if there are no criticisms of the book+praises of Modi out there, even if this article entirely represents due weight of secondary sourcing as written, WP:DYK#gen4 still states that
- @Narutolovehinata5:, it is my understanding that some people are holding this DYK, saying the article needs to include praises of Modi. I am not getting any content to add into the article. So waiting for more book reviews to get published. Do you have any suggestions to resolve the impasse? Venkat TL (talk) 13:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 30[edit]
Chinese dama
- ... that the Chinese damas, which literally means "Chinese big mamas", caused China to pass India in becoming the biggest purchaser of gold? Source:
- Sim, Shuan (2014-04-01). "China's Unstoppable Gold-Buying 'Aunties' Move Onto Bitcoins". Jing Daily. Archived from the original on 2021-12-21. Retrieved 2021-12-21.
The article notes: "Eschewing the volatile stock markets, dama prefer the stability of hard assets and the ability to hand wealth down to their children, but their fervor is causing an unintentional side effect—as reported by Want China Times, these eagle-eyed women “have been credited with driving China’s gold market and the 28 percent global fluctuation in gold prices” in 2013. Their buying spree resulted in a 41.4 percent national increase in gold consumption last year, leading China to surpass India as the world’s largest gold consumer."
- "Dama". China Internet Information Center. 2013-12-27. Archived from the original on 2021-12-21. Retrieved 2021-12-21.
The article notes: "Dama, literally means 'big mama,' referring mainly to married women between the age 40-60."
- Sim, Shuan (2014-04-01). "China's Unstoppable Gold-Buying 'Aunties' Move Onto Bitcoins". Jing Daily. Archived from the original on 2021-12-21. Retrieved 2021-12-21.
5x expanded by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 10:14, 30 December 2021 (UTC).
- Comment, I'd suggest "... that big mamas caused China in becoming the biggest purchaser of gold?" (CC) Tbhotch™ 03:29, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
- That's a much better hook, thanks Tbhotch (talk · contribs)! I'd make a small change to the hook to this:
ALT1: ... that big mamas caused China to become the biggest purchaser of gold?
- ALT2: that the Chinese damas, which literally means "Chinese big mamas", caused China to become the biggest purchaser of gold?
A more concise version of the original hook that takes into account Andrew Davidson's feedback below about ALT1 about how "big" means "outsize or fat in a western context".
- ALT2: that the Chinese damas, which literally means "Chinese big mamas", caused China to become the biggest purchaser of gold?
- That's a much better hook, thanks Tbhotch (talk · contribs)! I'd make a small change to the hook to this:
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- ?
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Thank you for this very comprehensive article on the dama. In response to the above conversation, I have struck ALT0. ALT1 is fine, and is sourced here and in the article by the same citation.
I have one puzzle - that DYK Check says that the article is neither new nor recently 5x expanded. However the article history says that just before Cunard started editing on 30 December 2021 the character count was 4628, and that the count today is 34,902. That looks like a satisfactory 5x expansion to me. BlueMoonset please could you check this for me? Have I misread something? Thank you. If the 5x expansion is fine, then this nomination should be good to go.Update: this review is still incomplete; I shall explain shortly. Storye book (talk) 21:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Storye book, DYKcheck operates on the theory, which doesn't always apply, the articles grow over time. So it checks all the way back to the beginning, even when the article was in Draft or use space, to see its highest prior size, and 5x from there. In fact, it's how big the article was prior to the recent expansion that matters, even if that is smaller than previous high water marks. In this case, as you note, the article started at 4628, which would require an expansion to 23140, and the count is actually 34902, which is a 7.5x expansion, more than enough to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, thank you, BlueMoonset. So from now on I'll make sure I always check the article History page for 5x expansions. Storye book (talk) 10:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Update: Although my question about length has now been resolved, I have had a re-think about my above review, and I have seen another issue. I shall return shortly and explain. My apologies for any inconvenience caused because I missed something earlier. Storye book (talk) 10:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- Neutrality
My apologies for hesitating a little while before explaining this re-think. It is a seismic change to my attitude to this article, and I wanted to be sure that I was doing the right thing. I am not one of those who are happy to delete articles or to drastically diminish them, and because I appreciate the great effort that it takes to produce a well-written article, I do not like to heavily criticise a creator's work. Therefore, please be patient with my attitude here. Let's think of it in terms of getting things right, and not of any attempt by me to destroy the article.
I have now realised that the general tone and attitude of the article is one that reflects the kind of misogyny towards older women that Western history has seen hundreds of years ago with the concept of witches, and more recently with the concept that older women who knit are stupid, useless, non-persons, with the skill of knitting itself being diminished in the process. That kind of generalisation is always going to be a lie, and in the case of knitting the critics themselves tend to be those who cannot knit themselves, it being an acquired skill requiring mental skills as well as physical ones. Misogyny (in my opinion) is a process of both unfair generalisation, and of intentional diminishment.
This article is carefully written, and as far as I can see, the creator has made a great effort to be fair, to use authoritative citations, and to cite everything conscientiously. The problem, then, is what has been left out. For example (re China and the Chinese diaspora only, of course) omissions include:
- The percentage and number of the entire Chinese female population who are of middle age.
- The percentage of those women who actually do town-square dancing.
- The percentage of middle-aged town-square dancers who have controlled and turned on loud sound systems which have upset residents in town squares.
- The percentage of middle-aged Chinese females who live in towns, and have enough disposable income to buy gold
- The percentage of rural middle-aged Chinese women who are not in a position to purchase gold, dress and dye their hair like the woman in the picture and do town-square dancing
I think that an examination of the above would reveal that the much discussed dama image represents only a tiny fraction of middle aged Chinese women, and (I'm guessing) represents very few middle-aged women in the Chinese diaspora.
Another way to balance the neutrality of this article would be to look at the percentages of other types of middle-aged Chinese women. For example:
- The percentage of middle-aged Chinese woman who are established businesswomen, including rural farming and village-industry women, women running businesses in towns, and businesswomen among the diaspora. This, I believe, is quite a large percentage. They give a very different picture as far as I am aware, because (at least the ones that I have met) would have used the cheap-gold era to purchase bullion for profit or investment, since most of the cost of gold artefacts is the cost of labour, not the basic cost of the metal. The article makes the damas look stupid for just purchasing gold artefacts as gifts, and anyway most of the artefact purchasing would have benefited the labourers and manufacturers, not the sale of gold itself. True businesswomen and investors purchase bullion, even if they can only purchase tiny bits of bullion.
- The percentage of middle-aged Chinese women who are educated. The damas of this article are not credited with education, but are credited with the activities of uneducated and simple people. I have met many educated, middle-aged Chinese woman (one of them is my neighbour who has a degree from Oxford) and none of them look or behave like the damas in your article.
Now, I am not saying that the dama type does not exist, but the concept of the dama does not come from women who fit the dama type. It comes from outsiders who are not like them, and who are more likely to be men than women, because every Chinese woman is going to be middle-aged eventually and they must be aware of that.
Perhaps the most important point here is that Chinese women of the dama type are not given a voice. There is only one commentator (Teng Wei) hidden away at the bottom of the article which says that "It's ageist, classist — and it's time to stop".
Conclusion: I don't think that I can pass this article for DYK until its neutrality is balanced to the extent that if any middle-aged Chinese intelligent businesswoman were to read the article, they would not feel that all Chinese women of middle age were being generalised as potentially a dama who is potentially some sort of uneducated clown. If you are happy to adjust the article for neutrality, I would be happy to wait until you have completed that task, and to re-assess it. I repeat that the article is beautifully-written, and I can see the excellent work that has gone into it. The problem is just that there is so much missing that it is unbalanced on the side of misogyny.
I must add that all of the above, that I have written today, is my opinion. Should you wish to dismiss me as a reviewer, and request another reviewer, I shall respect that. Storye book (talk) 17:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- I do not agree that the article "is unbalanced on the side of misogyny". Most of the coverage in the article is neutral or positive towards damas. When I include negative media coverage about damas, I balance it with analysis from scholars who condemn that negative coverage:
- The "Later meaning: negative connotation" section: "Li cited two extensively reported examples of how the media 'distort[s] the Dama image'. The first story took place in a Beijing street in 2013 when a dama was widely and unfairly criticized for allegedly trying to extort a youthful man who was from another country for making her fall. It turned out that the man had engaged in wrong-way driving and red light running and had exploded in an anger at the dama he had struck who had been obeying traffic laws in crossing the street. The second story took place in a Wuhan subway in 2015 when a dama struck a young woman. Li speculated that individuals refer to the dama with a disdainful and mocking tone since they despise the wealthy and want to protest against wealth inequality."
- The "Later meaning: negative connotation" section: "Writing in The New York Times, editor Wang Junling said that it was incorrect to stereotype and there is not even a 'clear definition' of what a dama is. Wang wrote, 'The various deeds of the aforementioned damas have no logical connection. As long as middle-aged and elderly women in China do something different, they can be labeled as such.'"
- The "Square dancing" section: According to Teng Wei, the scholar, the media was exaggerating the dancer conflicts, which builds on the dama lore. She bemoaned that older women who were merely seeking friendship and physical activity were being baselessly cast as "a malignant social force that everyone — even officials — must tiptoe around".
- The lead and the "Comparison to other subcultures" section: "Reflecting on the double standards, she concluded, "When we use dama as an insult, what we're really doing is suggesting that there's something inherently wrong with being a middle-aged woman. It's ageist, classist — and it's time to stop"
- The article includes analysis explaining why the Chinese damas purchased gold (the "Social and economic context for gold purchases" section) and why they are behaving differently from their predecessors (the "Social and economic context" section). Regarding "The article makes the damas look stupid for just purchasing gold artefacts as gifts", these sections explain why the damas purchased gold and make no judgment on whether they "look stupid" for purchasing gold.
- Regarding finding percentages like "The percentage of those women who actually do town-square dancing" and "The percentage of rural middle-aged Chinese women who are not in a position to purchase gold, dress and dye their hair like the woman in the picture and do town-square dancing", I have been unable to find any sources that discuss this information in the context of damas, so including this information (even if I could find sources for it outside the context of damas) would violate Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Synthesis. I agree that the article would be significantly improved if such information could be included but I did not find sourcing to support this information in the context of damas.
- The modern usage of the term "dama" is not for referring to all Chinese middle-aged women. It is used to describe (and frequently insult) a subset of Chinese middle-aged women. There is no universally agreed upon definition of "dama" which could explain why there are no sources for all of these percentages. From Claudia Huang's article in Journal of Aging Studies:
Regarding "Perhaps the most important point here is that Chinese women of the dama type are not given a voice", I reviewed and cited numerous news articles, journal articles, and books. Some of these authors may have been written by middle-aged Chinese women (I did not check their ages). But I could not find a single source where the author(s) self-identified themselves as "damas" so I cannot call them damas in the article. "Dama" has become a pejorative term like Karen (slang) which may be why people generally don't self-identify.Shortly before leaving Chengdu, the capital of China's southwestern Sichuan province at the end of 2017, I sent an informal survey to some friends on the popular Chinese messaging platform WeChat. This survey contained only one question: “how would you describe a dama?” ... The differences in people's responses did not catch my attention as much as the fact that nearly everyone who received the survey offered an answer. The specifics varied, but each person held a clear and developed picture of a dama in his or her mind's eye. On another occasion, my friend Xia— an educated and well-traveled woman in her late twenties, told me that it's impossible to pin down an exact description of a dama because “they like to dress differently for different occasions,” but that “you know one when you see one.”
Although I do not agree that the article is "unbalanced on the side of misogyny", I agree that like all Wikipedia articles, the article has a lot of room for improvement. I agree that "the much discussed dama image represents only a tiny fraction of middle aged Chinese women, and (I'm guessing) represents very few middle-aged women in the Chinese diaspora". There was no intention for the Wikipedia article to convey this message. Perhaps some of the wording could be made more clear that this is a stereotype and a pejorative term that in no way represents all Chinese middle-aged women, so I welcome examples of sentences that convey the wrong message and should be reworded. Perhaps the article can be expanded to include more perspectives from damas themselves. But to do that, sourcing has to be found to support this information.
Thank you for going to the trouble of writing your long and careful reply. I had already seen the examples and quotations that you gave in that reply. However, if the existing summary of the article represents the whole, then there is something wrong with the balance in my opinion. You say you have insufficient sources for the provision of balance, and you ask me to suggest new wording for you. This is a long and complex article, and I am supposed to be reviewing it, not re-writing such a large piece. If you are unable to improve the balance of the article for whatever reason, I feel that I cannot find it in my conscience to pass it for DYK as it stands. I suggest that you find another reviewer. All the best. Storye book (talk) 09:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- However, if the existing summary of the article represents the whole, then there is something wrong with the balance in my opinion. – the article complies with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Due and undue weight, which says, "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." The article fairly represents what the sources say about damas. I wish there were many more sources like the scholar Teng Wei that made statements like, "When we use dama as an insult, what we're really doing is suggesting that there's something inherently wrong with being a middle-aged woman. It's ageist, classist — and it's time to stop". That way, I could write more about why it is is bigoted to use the term to stereotype and to insult middle-aged women. Beyond what I have already included in the article, I did not find this in my survey of the literature. Per Wikipedia:No original research and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, without more sources, I cannot add more information about why it is bigoted to use the term to stereotype and to insult middle-aged women. If any editor finds a source I overlooked that discusses why "dama" is a bigoted term, I would be happy to add it. I have searched extensively for this information and did not find it.
You say you have insufficient sources for the provision of balance, and you ask me to suggest new wording for you. This is a long and complex article, and I am supposed to be reviewing it, not re-writing such a large piece. If you are unable to improve the balance of the article for whatever reason, I feel that I cannot find it in my conscience to pass it for DYK as it stands. – I went through the article myself and do not find anything unbalanced or biased. I asked you to point out any sentences you find to be unbalanced or biased in case I overlooked anything.
I suggest that you find another reviewer. – yes, I would like another reviewer. I cannot act on the suggestions made so far without violating Wikipedia:No original research and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.
- However, if the existing summary of the article represents the whole, then there is something wrong with the balance in my opinion. – the article complies with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Due and undue weight, which says, "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." The article fairly represents what the sources say about damas. I wish there were many more sources like the scholar Teng Wei that made statements like, "When we use dama as an insult, what we're really doing is suggesting that there's something inherently wrong with being a middle-aged woman. It's ageist, classist — and it's time to stop". That way, I could write more about why it is is bigoted to use the term to stereotype and to insult middle-aged women. Beyond what I have already included in the article, I did not find this in my survey of the literature. Per Wikipedia:No original research and WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, without more sources, I cannot add more information about why it is bigoted to use the term to stereotype and to insult middle-aged women. If any editor finds a source I overlooked that discusses why "dama" is a bigoted term, I would be happy to add it. I have searched extensively for this information and did not find it.
New reviewer needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm picking this up as a reviewer. Here are my initial thoughts:
- The article's quality seems better than other articles about comparable stereotypes. For example, consider the mother-in-law. The article that you get when you click on that link is quite pathetic. There's also mother-in-law joke but that's not much better.
- The level of quality required for a DYK is not superlative; the articles are not expected to be of FA or GA quality.
- We must beware of perfectionism. For example, Churchill said "The maxim 'Nothing avails but perfection' may be spelt shorter: 'Paralysis'."
- I'm really not liking the ALT1 suggestion which will present the topic with the literal translation of "big mamas". This phrase has rather different connotations in Western culture. In particular, the word "big" would tend to mean outsize or fat in a western context – see Big Momma's House, for example. As I understand it, the word "big" in this context means first or dominant, being the traditional term of respect for the first or senior wife in a multi-wife household. As the subject is a distinctly Chinese stereotype, I reckon we should stick with dama, to avoid confusion with western stereotypes. So, I've unstruck the orginal hook.
- I note that the linked page in the Chinese Wikipedia is a disambiguation page which separates the various shades of meaning for the phrase.
More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:01, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the feedback and for sharing your thoughts, Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs). I've proposed an ALT2 above that takes the original hook and makes it more concise. Cunard (talk) 23:46, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Cunard: Thanks for the update. I've started reading the article carefully from the top and balked at the outset. The lead makes the classic mistake of starting "Chinese dama (clutter) is a term that refers to Chinese middle-aged women." This is contrary to MOS:REFERS and WP:DICDEF. We need to clarify what the topic is here. Is it:
- The English phrase "Chinese dama" (the recent western usage)
- The Chinese phrase "dama (大妈)" as a linguistic concept
- The traditional Chinese first wife as a sociological concept
- The traditional Chinese aunt as a sociological concept
- The modern Chinese rich widow or middle-aged woman who follows fashion – speculating in gold, square-dancing or whatever – the recent journalistic/social media construct
Note again that the Chinese Wikipedia disambiguates, to treat these as separate topics. If we run that through Google Translate, it renders it as
Aunt may refer to:
- Appellation for middle-aged or middle-aged women in parts of China and Hong Kong
- In some parts of China, aunts are called aunts
- Chinese women who bought gold in large numbers in 2013 later switched to bitcoin
- The nanny from mainland China .
- On the Internet in Taiwan, there is a contemptuous tone, similar to that of a mother-in-law.
- The first mother, the concubine, the flat wife, and the children born in the step room call the father's original wife's wife
- Charlotte Lilly, the Japanese anime One Piece character, nicknamed BIG MOM.
This loses something in translation, of course, but shows that the Chinese think that these are separate. So my point is that we perhaps need to be more careful in conflating them.
Sorry to be pedantic about this but it seems essential to clarify what the topic is exactly. I suppose it's #5 in the list above but we need to define this more clearly at the outset.
Andrew🐉(talk) 11:30, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the good feedback about the lead, Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs). I've modified the lead based on your feedback to remove "refers" and to provide the most prevalent definition. Cunard (talk) 08:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Cunard: I've taken another look at this and apologies for the delay. I'm still not satisfied as I don't think that my points have been adequately addressed. The lead still starts by talking of a "term" and its meanings, which is contrary to WP:DICDEF. And the proposed hook still talks about "big", which is too literal and misleading.
- On the latter point, note that I recently started a Chinese topic too – Li Sixun. Britannica says that he is known as "Big General Li" to distinguish him from his son, "Little General Li". This must be a similar issue of translation and, following the usage of other sources, I explain this as "senior" or "the elder", which convey the sense better. My view is that we're supposed to be writing in English here and so should use the appropriate English words in such cases.
Others might be more accommodating on these points so I think we should agree to disagree. I don't want to approve this but I don't want to fail it either so I'll flag it for attention by another reviewer. Ok?
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment (for information only - not a review). Further to my long comment above, I have discovered a few more things on this subject, and perhaps I ought to share that with you. Firstly, some of my Chinese friends and acquaintances who have lived and worked for some years in several of the largest cities in China tell me that they have never heard of da ma's behaving in the way described in the article. Secondly, they point out that the top image, which serves to identify the subject, is of a woman in Taiwan, although the article appears to concentrate mostly on mainland China. I find it hard to believe that one can generalise about da ma's in both countries where culture has been diverging since 1949 (even though Chinese leaders might claim that it is all one country). Storye book (talk) 21:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- The English-language sources I reviewed describe "Chinese damas" as having the literal meaning "Chinese big mamas" or "Chinese big mother", so I don't consider the hook to be inaccurate or misleading. I cannot use another literal meaning as that would violate Wikipedia:No original research. I am open to alternative hooks being proposed.
"Chinese damas" is a term that has had multiple meanings over time. This article discusses those multiple meanings. I don't think discussing the historical background of why the term has multiple meanings violates WP:DICDEF.
Regarding, "some of my Chinese friends and acquaintances who have lived and worked for some years in several of the largest cities in China tell me that they have never heard of da ma's behaving in the way described in the article", this is original research. The article is based on what reliable sources say about damas. From Wikipedia:No original research#Verifiability, "Wikipedia's content is determined by previously published information rather than by the personal beliefs or experiences of its editors."
I've removed the photo.
Cunard (talk) 08:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- The original research rule applies to the article only. It is permissible to use original research to suggest improvement (of e.g. neutrality) of an article on the article's talk page or on a discussion template such as this. Storye book (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- The English-language sources I reviewed describe "Chinese damas" as having the literal meaning "Chinese big mamas" or "Chinese big mother", so I don't consider the hook to be inaccurate or misleading. I cannot use another literal meaning as that would violate Wikipedia:No original research. I am open to alternative hooks being proposed.
- Comment (for information only - not a review). Further to my long comment above, I have discovered a few more things on this subject, and perhaps I ought to share that with you. Firstly, some of my Chinese friends and acquaintances who have lived and worked for some years in several of the largest cities in China tell me that they have never heard of da ma's behaving in the way described in the article. Secondly, they point out that the top image, which serves to identify the subject, is of a woman in Taiwan, although the article appears to concentrate mostly on mainland China. I find it hard to believe that one can generalise about da ma's in both countries where culture has been diverging since 1949 (even though Chinese leaders might claim that it is all one country). Storye book (talk) 21:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 6[edit]
International Habitation Module
- ... that size and weight of the I-HAB was limited just in case it launches on Falcon Heavy, rather than NASA's Space Launch System? Source: https://www.academia.edu/41545013/INTERIOR_CONFIGURATION_CONCEPTS_FOR_THE_GATEWAY_IHAB
- ALT1 ... the International Habitation Module might be taken to the moon by a commercial company, rather than NASA?
- ALT2 ... that SpaceXs Falcon Heavy might steal a payload from NASA's SLS?
- ALT3 ... that SpaceX might steal a payload from NASA?
- ALT4 ... that the International Habitation Module comes with optional arms?
- ALT5 ... that the International Habitation Module has the right to bear arms?
Created by Seddon (talk). Self-nominated at 23:45, 6 January 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Some close paraphrasing [5]
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting:
- Not interesting to a broad audience.
QPQ: - x - Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Transquaking_River - noted by Seddon talk 19:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Overall: (t · c) buidhe 20:37, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I thought the original hook could have been interesting, but maybe it's because I have an interest in astronomy and spaceflight, and I do understand where the concerns about lack of interest to a broad audience are coming from. With that said, perhaps a hook about it being the main habitat module of the Lunar Gateway or a hook about it being planned to launch at the same time as a crewed Orion spacecraft would work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Seddon: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 and Buidhe: - I've created some optional hooks. Seddon talk 03:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- The ones about "stealing" the payload have promise and could work as April Fools hooks, but I'd like to hear other thoughts on the matter (in any case, they're better than the original hook). @Buidhe: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know about how April Fool's hooks are done but is it verifiable? The article doesn't mention "steal". (t · c) buidhe 03:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- The article says that it could "switch" launch providers, which isn't necessarily a "steal". However, for AFD hooks we do tend to be more loose with the allowed wordings, hence why I suggested that those wordings could work for AFD (they would be too imprecise to work on any other date). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- In addition, while ALT4 could work in case the "steal" hooks don't work out (and unlike those hooks, could probably run on a regular set on the quirky slot), the issue right now is that the article makes no mention of the arm being "optional" (in addition, there's a minor typo in a nearby sentence: "maybe" instead of "may be"). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know about how April Fool's hooks are done but is it verifiable? The article doesn't mention "steal". (t · c) buidhe 03:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- The ones about "stealing" the payload have promise and could work as April Fools hooks, but I'd like to hear other thoughts on the matter (in any case, they're better than the original hook). @Buidhe: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- I've taken the liberty of bolding and labeling the alternate hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Buidhe for another look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- If we have to to go with an April Fools Day hook, I think ALT3 is the best option since it's both accurate and quirky at the same time, without giving away too much (which seems to meet the spirit of DYK hooks more). Given concerns with the "steal" wording I'm only supportive of that term being used if it's an April Fools hook, but I guess others can also have other opinions. I don't think ALT4 is usable on any date as nowhere in the article suggests that the Canadarm that will be used for the module is "optional". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- I have to note that the nominator proposed a new hook above as a possible AFD hook (ALT5), but I'm also leaning against it for the same reasons as ALT4: the article doesn't state that the arm in question is "optional". In addition, said hook talks about the right to "bear arms", but unless it's referring to the "robotic surfaces" mentioned in the article then it appears the subject only has one arm, so the hook is inaccurate too. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]
Tek Fog
- ... that the web application Tek Fog was used by BJP to amplify right wing propaganda among Indians? Source: the app Tek Fog is used by users to "amplify right-wing propaganda to a domestic audience." The Indian news outlet also claimed the app had links to India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). Deutsche Welle
- Reviewed: Exempt
- Comment: Page was on AfD so DYK was out of consideration in that period. AfD closed today as keep so nominated for DYK today.
Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 12:07, 14 January 2022 (UTC).
- Comment This cannot go unattributed, AT ALL. TrangaBellam (talk) 14:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The contents of the article are currently contested, as the author is aware. It is requested that the DYK nomination is not accepted till outstanding issues are resolvedCaptain Jack Sparrow (talk) 11:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure the last comment by User:CapnJackSp has been made in good faith. Several politically motivated IP users first tried to delete the article. AfD was closed as Keep. And now this guy is asking for an indefenite hold on on flimsy grounds. The article has 29 mentions of Wire and it is sufficiently attributed.Venkat TL (talk) 13:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- Don't confuse me with other editors. You haven't added attribution to the very first sentence of the article. I can say more but this needs to be fixed first. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 14:48, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure the last comment by User:CapnJackSp has been made in good faith. Several politically motivated IP users first tried to delete the article. AfD was closed as Keep. And now this guy is asking for an indefenite hold on on flimsy grounds. The article has 29 mentions of Wire and it is sufficiently attributed.Venkat TL (talk) 13:34, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Bulli Bai case
- ... that app Bulli Bai was used to create, an online mock auction of prominent women, to harass them? Source: DW
- ALT1: ... that creators of the Bulli Bai app, for an online mock auction of Muslim women, had used Sikh names to mislead people? Source: "Names related to the Sikh community were used to make it look like these Twitter handles had been created by persons from that community," the police release issued in the evening said. The women who were targeted were Muslim, so there was a possibility that it could have created "enmity between two communities" and led to "breach of public peace", it said. [6] [7]
- ALT2: ... that members of the alt-right neo-Nazi groups, created the Bulli Bai app, for an online mock auction of Indian Muslim women? Source: "Police have linked the creators of both apps to the online alt-right group “Trads” that derives inspiration from neo-Nazi online movements. Vice
- ALT3: ... that the Bulli Bai app, was used for an online mock auction of Indian Muslim women? Source: "Police have linked the creators of both apps to the online alt-right group “Trads” that derives inspiration from neo-Nazi online movements. Vice
- Reviewed: Exempt
Created by Venkat TL (talk) and Ainty Painty (talk). Nominated by Venkat TL (talk) at 08:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC).
- Comment Not reviewing it right now. Just asking if the lede could be more precise? Can citations be taken out and the lede be reconstructed. Few things in the body go uncited. I don't think the names of accused should be bolded this way? ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- I do not think this belongs at the main page - NOTCENSORED applies but this is way too vile. Thanks for creating the article! TrangaBellam (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Venkat TL I'm not sure why you still don't seem to understand that you're pushing a POV. For ALT2, the article makes it clear that it is alleged the group was responsible. I'm almost tempted to hold a discussion at DYK to see if all of your current POV nominations can be closed as failed. SL93 (talk) 23:39, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Adding an icon here to clarify that there are POV issues that need to be addressed before the nomination can be approved (note that I am not reviewing the article, I am just leaving the icon here for clarity). Pinging SL93 to have a second look at ALT3. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5 I would outright fail the nomination. The entire article only shows one side for a case that apparently hasn't went to court yet. Editors have continuously told the nominator to not push a POV, but they won't stop. I'm honestly sick of it. SL93 (talk) 23:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Noted.
Unless the POV concerns are properly addressed the nomination probably won't go anywhere. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- User:Narutolovehinata5 I will update the article. Need time. Hopefully the more updates will come on the case. Whatever is in reliable sources has been updated. SL93 is only doing personal attacks without any constructive or collaborative editing. After it gets updated would need fresh eyes.Venkat TL (talk) 07:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- It should be noted that in the WT:DYK discussion, multiple editors (not just SL93) raised concerns about your articles, and it wasn't limited to just this one but the Price of Modi nomination as well. If any of your nominations are to be approved, all of them need to be rewritten to better meet NPOV. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- User:Narutolovehinata5, lets do this step by step. We are all volunteers. Why this misuse of "ALL" and "ANY". The reiviewers in good faith should review the article and DYK at hand. When I am ready. I object to your strange conditions on DYK. Venkat TL (talk) 09:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Those were not my comments. The ones who made those comments about POV (apart from SL93) were Gatoclass, Joseph2302, Theleekycauldron, and Andrew Davidson. If you have any concerns about the POV concerns, it would be better to ask them since they were the ones who noted those. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- User:Narutolovehinata5 and now you have pinged a bunch of editors. Please remove your comments not related to this article and this DYK to WT:DYK in the existing thread. You have my permission to move my comments. I request Narutolovehinata5 and everyone reading this comment to keep your replies focussed on improvements of this article and this DYK. Venkat TL (talk) 10:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Those were not my comments. The ones who made those comments about POV (apart from SL93) were Gatoclass, Joseph2302, Theleekycauldron, and Andrew Davidson. If you have any concerns about the POV concerns, it would be better to ask them since they were the ones who noted those. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- User:Narutolovehinata5, lets do this step by step. We are all volunteers. Why this misuse of "ALL" and "ANY". The reiviewers in good faith should review the article and DYK at hand. When I am ready. I object to your strange conditions on DYK. Venkat TL (talk) 09:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- It should be noted that in the WT:DYK discussion, multiple editors (not just SL93) raised concerns about your articles, and it wasn't limited to just this one but the Price of Modi nomination as well. If any of your nominations are to be approved, all of them need to be rewritten to better meet NPOV. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Noted.
- Comment Alt2 is false. They are not neo-Nazi group. At least there are no convincing sources. Loew Galitz (talk) 16:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment the hooks are misleadin. There app was used to harass Indian Muslim women, which is an important detail. Loew Galitz (talk) 16:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Loew Galitz "Muslim" added into the hooks. Venkat TL (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 22[edit]
Government Palace, Dili
- ... that in front of the Government Palace in Dili, East Timor, is a monument (pictured) to a Portuguese Prince, Henry the Navigator? Source: "(the urban square in front of the palace is) ... complete with a statue of Infante D. Henrique in the centre ..." (hpip.org); "Out in the carpark, Henrique is commemorated more grandly. Dignatories entering the Palacio Governo through its splendid wrought iron gates, have to drive around a water feature dominated by a monument to the Infante (prince), also erected in 1960." (Walsh 2019, page 153)
- Reviewed: Dr. Rick
Created by Bahnfrend (talk). Self-nominated at 13:34, 27 January 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ:
Overall: @Bahnfrend:, Great work on this article, well sourced, and quite a fascinating article at that. Earwig's copyvio detector says 50% copied, but that was mostly a long quote that was in quotations that was sourced. If possible, can you reword "By 2012 Gusmao had become aware of the bugging and initiated confidential proceedings in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, seeking to have CMATS declared void because Australia had acted in bad faith by spying during the negotiations.", as this is near-identical to the source, probably unintentionally. Let me know when you finish your QPQ and changing that sentence and it should be all set. Wishing the best and you got this! Ornithoptera (talk) 01:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: Thanks for your review. I have now done a QPQ. I have also modified the relevant passages. Earwig now says 47%, and that is perhaps not much of a reduction. But as you say, a relatively short passage expressly quoted from a cited source is not plagiarism or a copy vio; and in my view it is similarly not plagiarism or a copyvio to use, in an initial reference in an article, a full name and description of a place such as "Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague" or "United Nations in New York". The 47% includes both of those passages, plus some similar ones, plus the quoted, cited passage. I therefore think the article is now ok. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Bahnfrend and Bahnfrend: Looks good, but do we want to add a bit to the hook text to clarify that the guy was a major colonialist? The irony may be left as an exercise for the reader. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Orangemike: That's a reasonable suggestion. There are two potential problems, however. One is that the hook may be too long if too much further info is added. The other is that the subject article does not contain the suggested additional information, and the separate article about the Prince is not very well referenced. If you're prepared to accept some limited additional material that's included in the latter article without any specific referencing (but hardly controversial), then I would suggest this hook (using the same image):
- ALT1: ... that in front of the Government Palace in Dili, East Timor, is a monument (pictured) to a famous Portuguese explorer and imperialist, Prince Henry the Navigator?
Articles created/expanded on January 23[edit]
Anti-monuments in Mexico, Antimonumenta (Guadalajara), Antimonumenta (Morelia), Antimonumenta (Mexico City)
- ... that antimonumentas in Mexico, like the one in Guadalajara (pictured), Morelia, or Mexico City, are installed by protesters to demand justice for women who suffer from violence in the country? Source: "Para las personas que no lo sepan, los antimonumentos son instalaciones que se colocan en marchas y protestas sociales como una forma de recordar la injusticia perpetrada contra un grupo de víctimas, así como el fracaso por parte del Estado para resolver de manera justa estos casos y evitar que sigan ocurriendo; se habla de antimonumentas para el caso de la violencia feminicida. Estas instalaciones son símbolos que surgen en clara oposición a la idea tradicional de monumento, que es erigido por autoridades para representar un discurso oficial."
["For those who do not know, antimonumentos are installations that are placed in demonstrations and social protests as a way to remember the injustice perpetrated against a group of victims, as well as the failure on the part of the State to resolve these cases in a just manner and prevent them from continuing to occur; we speak of antimonumentas in the case of feminicidal violence. These installations are symbols that emerge in clear opposition to the traditional idea of a monument, which is erected by authorities to represent an official discourse."] (Revista de la Universidad de México).
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Janine Brookner, Template:Did you know nominations/Jeffrey Rosenfeld, Template:Did you know nominations/Port of Shahid Rajaee, Template:Did you know nominations/Ioan Caragea
- Comment: For March 8 (International Women's Day) or nearer that date.
I'm missing three QPQ.
Created by Tbhotch (talk) and Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Tbhotch (talk) at 22:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Adding a review structure here, so multiple people can collaborate on this review (four articles is quite a few). If you choose to take an article, feel free to restructure the insides of that one however you wish. I tried implementing a table, but for some reason the subpage does not like that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Anti-monuments in Mexico: Not assessed (replace everything after the colon with your signature when reviewing)
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Sourced:
- Neutral:
- Plagiarism-free:
- Other issues:
Antimonumenta (Guadalajara): theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- New enough: Yes, expanded 35.3x on Jan. 23
- Long enough: Yes, 3776 prose bytes
- Sourced: AGF
- Neutral: Yep!
- Plagiarism-free: Accepted in good faith given translation
- Other issues: Tbhotch seems to be responsible for 92.5% of the article's content, I'd say that the credit for Another Believer isn't strictly accurate given that this is for a 5x expansion
Antimonumenta (Morelia): – TCMemoire 02:22, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- New enough: Yes, moved to mainspace on 23 January 2022
- Long enough: Yes, ~2380 prose characters
- Sourced: Yes, AGF
- Neutral: Yes
- Plagiarism-free: Yes
- Other issues: Should be good to go, I added one inline citation to the lead.
Antimonumenta (Mexico City): Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- New enough: Moved to mainspace on January 23, 2022 (same day as the nomination)
- Long enough: Yes (2668 characters)
- Sourced:
Technically yes, but not in the actual sentence discussing the women's protests; the reference has to be moved/duplicated there for DYK purposes.Yes - Neutral: Yes
- Plagiarism-free: Yes
- Other issues:
Should be good to go one the footnote issue is addressed.Issues have been addressed.
- Hook: Not assessed
- Mentioned and cited in at least one article:
- Interesting:
- Other issues:
- Image: Good to go :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 10:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Used in at least one article: yep, infobox of Antimonumenta (Guadalajara)
- Freely licensed: Claim of own work accepted in good faith
- Clear at 100px: Yep!
- QPQ: Checks out
- Special date request: Yep, checks out
Overall: Review not finished
- Comment. Traditionally, I always credit the creator of recently-created pages I expand. If the credit is not required/valid, feel free to remove it. (CC) Tbhotch™ 18:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment (2). @Narutolovehinata5: I added the DYK fact to the lede section of the three artworks and further developed on them individually at their Description and meaning sections. (CC) Tbhotch™ 03:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 24[edit]
Columbia University tunnels
![A map of the Columbia University tunnels created by a student in 1999](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Columbia_University_Tunnels.png/133px-Columbia_University_Tunnels.png)
- ... that Ken Hechtman stole uranium-238, chloroform, mercury, and pure caffeine from Pupin Hall using the Columbia University tunnel system? Source: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1987/2/28/freshmen-punished-for-stealing-uranium-pcolumbia/
- ALT1: ... that as a student at Columbia University, Amelia Earhart frequented the university's tunnel system? Source: https://magazine.columbia.edu/article/hidden-histories-columbia
- ALT2: ... that during the 1968 protests, WKCR staff used the Columbia University tunnels to tap the university's telephone system? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=sIFtzQEACAAJ
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pilate cycle
Improved to Good Article status by Normsupon (talk). Self-nominated at 00:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC).
- I am reviewing Bruxton (talk) 19:16, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Approve ATL2 which is verified and interesting. The article is interesting. and was improved to GA on the 24th. It is neutral. The picture is inadequate - so if this runs, I would say no to the map/photo. QPQ is done and the article has the correct inline citations and claims are verified. One thing however is unclear: like radioactivity in the tunnels... one article says it is a myth and another has a student account. This article does not explain the radiation issue clearly yet makes the bold claim in the introduction that tunnels were closed due to "residual radiation". That is not in any of the RS. Finally, most of the opening paragraph is a direct copy and it should be rewritten. In particular this is directly from one reference: "Columbia University has an extensive tunnel system underneath its campus connecting many of its buildings, used by the university as conduits for steam, electricity, telecommunications, and other infrastructure" Bruxton (talk) 20:15, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton The claim about the radioactivity in the tunnels has been removed from the lede. As for the first sentence, almost every source I could find that uses that wording appears to be based off of an earlier version of the article. For the sentence you quoted, it's impossible for that exact wording to have been copied from somewhere else, because if you look at the history of the article that phrasing comes from me reworking the previous lede that presumably dates from the late 2000s. Unfortunately, it is a little difficult to tell given that half of the article's history has been wiped due to earlier BLP violations. Normsupon (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
@Normsupon: Thanks for the message. You can say rumors of radioactivity. Great work on the article. Also: I should let others decide if the photo is sufficient. Bruxton (talk) 01:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: I'd actually prefer to promote ALT0 as a quirky, if you'd tick it? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:27, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton The claim about the radioactivity in the tunnels has been removed from the lede. As for the first sentence, almost every source I could find that uses that wording appears to be based off of an earlier version of the article. For the sentence you quoted, it's impossible for that exact wording to have been copied from somewhere else, because if you look at the history of the article that phrasing comes from me reworking the previous lede that presumably dates from the late 2000s. Unfortunately, it is a little difficult to tell given that half of the article's history has been wiped due to earlier BLP violations. Normsupon (talk) 01:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Done @Theleekycauldron: Ok with me and it is more interesting. I just verified it with the reference as well. Bruxton (talk) 03:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Article is at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Columbia University tunnels/1 and we'll park the nomination until that's resolved. Schwede66 23:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Bruxton: you state that ALT2 is "verified". Can you be more specific? I am looking at a copy of the book now. I found some passages that talk about phone lines being tapped, but no indication that the tunnels were involved. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: That ALT was not interesting to me. I accidentally identified the wrong ALT. I meant to say ALT1 one was interesting and confirmed - - Amelia Earhart - was interesting to me. But there is another ALT agreed upon now that does not include 1 or 2. In addition to that hook not being interesting to me, I could not verify it without the book. I will need to be more careful, and I am thankful for other editors like yourself. Bruxton (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Phylicia Whitney
- ... that Phylicia Whitney has hosted multiple Trade fairs for and involving Anime? Source: "Phylicia Whitney ist neue Games-Moderatorin für SPORT1 und Super RTL". beta.gamesmarkt.de. Retrieved 28 January 2022.
Created by MrMeAndMrMe (talk). Self-nominated at 03:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC).
The hook as currently written isn't really interesting to a broad audience (being a presenter is by itself not really that eye-catching). Perhaps a hook about her award nominations or how, despite her presenting shows on technology and anime, her background is actually in theatre? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion. I was thinking that myself but thought it would be unfit or something. Thanks. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 23:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, MrMeAndMrMe is it okay if you propose a new hook based on the above discussion? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:56, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the suggestion. I was thinking that myself but thought it would be unfit or something. Thanks. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 23:10, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- @MrMeAndMrMe: The nomination may be closed as unsuccessful if a new hook is not proposed within a reasonable timeframe. Please propose a new hook. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- ... that Phylicia Whitney, although she has a background in theater, has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime? Source: "Phylicia Whitney ist neue Games-Moderatorin für SPORT1 und Super RTL". beta.gamesmarkt.de. Retrieved 28 January 2022. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 14:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @MrMeAndMrMe: I would suggest not capitalizing "trade fairs" and "anime" but other than that it sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed! MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 23:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I'd reword it as either "... that journalist Phylicia Whitney, who has a background in theater, has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime?" or "... although journalist Phylicia Whitney has a background in theater, she has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime?" Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- That is a good point. The ladder sounds more suitable, I would think. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 04:04, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I'd reword it as either "... that journalist Phylicia Whitney, who has a background in theater, has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime?" or "... although journalist Phylicia Whitney has a background in theater, she has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime?" Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed! MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 23:33, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- @MrMeAndMrMe: I would suggest not capitalizing "trade fairs" and "anime" but other than that it sounds good. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- ... that Phylicia Whitney, although she has a background in theater, has hosted multiple trade fairs for and involving anime? Source: "Phylicia Whitney ist neue Games-Moderatorin für SPORT1 und Super RTL". beta.gamesmarkt.de. Retrieved 28 January 2022. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 14:19, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
This nomination needs a full review, since one has never been done. Flibirigit (talk) 17:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 26[edit]
Macy Rodman
- ... that Macy Rodman wrote the songs for her 2021 album Unbelievable Animals during the COVID-19 lockdown in New York City? Source: "The Brooklyn nightlife legend wrote those aching lyrics after breaking up with her on-again, off-again boyfriend of two years. She recounts the story through infectious giggles one afternoon at a sweaty Bushwick cafe, sporting a slinky minidress and blonde bob. It was March 2020, as COVID began to explode in the United States, and the couple had been planning to move in together. Checking her phone after landing in New York City, flying back from a production session in Los Angeles, she was shocked by a devastating text message from her lover. He was getting back together with his ex.
Freshly heartbroken, and isolated by the unprecedented vacuum of lockdown, Rodman immersed herself in songwriting as a means of escape. She set herself a deadline of 30 days to write as much as she could, and churned out the songs that would appear on Unbelievable Animals, her third studio album, arriving Friday on Shamir’s Accidental Popstar Records."
Them.us
5x expanded by Thriley (talk), LemonOrangeLime (talk), and Gagaluv1 (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 19:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC).
- More of a comment than a review, but any non-COVID-related hook suggestions? At this point, songwriters writings songs during the pandemic is no longer that interesting or unusual since most artists have done so by now. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:41, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
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- @LemonOrangeLime: @Gagaluv1: Any ideas? Thriley (talk) 05:48, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps a hook about this excerpt (
radio-rock shine with dirt-punk roots, like the energy in a '90s nightclub" with a dash of Ray of Light-esque experimental pop and Chromatica-style club bangers
) may work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps a hook about this excerpt (
- ALT1 ... that Macy Rodman's 2021 album Unbelievable Animals was described as combining "radio-rock shine with dirt-punk roots" and "a dash of Ray of Light-esque experimental pop"?
- I wanted to include the "energy in a '90s nightclub" bit there but it wasn't really "combined" with the other descriptions so saying it was combined with the "radio-rock shine" isn't really accurate. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
The article is long enough and expanded enough. A QPQ has been completed. I like ALT1 which is directly cited. The only remaining issue is that all of the information under Discography needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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- I corrected everything except the singles. Pinging Thriley, LemonOrangeLime, and Gagaluv1. Epicgenius (talk) 15:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Epicgenius: Thank you! Thriley (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I wasn’t able to find citations for two of the singles. Should I just remove them? Thriley (talk) 20:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- I would be fine with that. SL93 (talk) 21:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Are they not mentioned in her official website or some other official source? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 29[edit]
Gendo Ikari
- ... that Neon Genesis Evangelion director Hideaki Anno's abusive father was an influence on the writing of the character of Gendo Ikari? Source: "Resurfaced Interview Sees Evangelion Creator Reveal His Father's Abusive Ways"
- ALT1 ... that Neon Genesis Evangelion character Gendo Ikari has been diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder by a real-life Japanese psychiatrist? Source: 新世紀エヴァンゲリオンにみる思春期課題と精神障害
Improved to Good Article status by TeenAngels1234 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC).
Recently improved to GA status. The hook is appropriately sourced and, judging by the user's talk page, this is their first DYK nomination.🩸 𝗕𝗹𝗲𝗳𝗳 🩸 (talk) 06:08, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Needs further work as per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Queue_1:_Gendo_Ikari. Schwede66 05:27, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also, a full review will be needed that expressly mentions checking against the DYK criteria; there's no mention of the "within policy" criteria, which must be independently checked here, not rely on the GA reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: the discussion mentioned above has been archived at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 184#Queue_1:_Gendo_Ikari. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Also, a full review will be needed that expressly mentions checking against the DYK criteria; there's no mention of the "within policy" criteria, which must be independently checked here, not rely on the GA reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:05, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Have the issues been addressed? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:56, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Dunno. I hope so, but, unfortunately, I'm not into DYNs. I ping @Bleff: and @Amakuru: for this.TeenAngels1234 (talk) 15:11, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
my hook (ALT1) still looks okay to me, but we'll need a reviewer for the DYK criteria. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: my only query would be whether it's correct to use the word "diagnose" here. Obviously Gendo Ikari is a fictional character, so it's not a case of the Goldwater rule (which we'd almost certainly have to avoid entirely if this were a BLP). And this is an interesting fact, but I think diagnose has a somewhat strict medical definition which maybe we should avoid here. Just a thought anyway. I'll be happy to sign off if we can agree on something with regard to that. — Amakuru (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: how's "identified"? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 16:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: - OK, so something like:
- ALT1a: ... that Neon Genesis Evangelion character Gendo Ikari has been identified as having narcissistic personality disorder by a real-life Japanese psychiatrist?
- I'd be happy with that. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks! all right, hook's hammered out, but the article still needs a completed review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: how's "identified"? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 16:54, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: my only query would be whether it's correct to use the word "diagnose" here. Obviously Gendo Ikari is a fictional character, so it's not a case of the Goldwater rule (which we'd almost certainly have to avoid entirely if this were a BLP). And this is an interesting fact, but I think diagnose has a somewhat strict medical definition which maybe we should avoid here. Just a thought anyway. I'll be happy to sign off if we can agree on something with regard to that. — Amakuru (talk) 15:55, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 31[edit]
Transquaking River
- ... that an animal rendering and recycling company plant in Maryland exceeded ammonia pollution limits in the Transquaking River (pictured) by 25 times? Source: "During three months in the summer of 2020, for example, the plant dumped 25 times the legal limits of ammonia into the Transquaking, a tributary to the Chesapeake Bay." [8]
- ALT1: ... that an animal rendering and recycling company plant was, until recently, consistently dumping illegal amounts of ammonia, phosphorus, and fecal bacteria into the Transquaking River (pictured)? Source: "Maryland’s Department of the Environment (MDE) has administratively extended this outdated permit for 15 years, allowing the facility to continue operating — despite repeated illegal discharges of fecal bacteria, ammonia, phosphorus and other pollutants into the Transquaking River." [9]
- ALT2:... that an animal rendering and recycling company plant dumped illegal amounts of ammonia, phosphorus, and fecal bacteria into the Transquaking River
- ALT3: ... that Valley Proteins Inc, an animal-waste recycler, was dumping hazardous waste into theTransquaking River? [source]
- Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: This is my first DYK submission. Let me know if anything need to be changed.
Created by Aethemos (talk). Self-nominated at 03:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC).
- New enough: ✓ Pass
- Long enough: ✓ Pass
- Sourced: ✓ Pass
- Neutral: ✓ Pass
- Plagiarism-free: ✓ Pass
- Other issues: Nothing showstopping.
- - In this sentence:
- The plant was consistently dumping illegal amounts of fecal bacteria, ammonia, and phosphorus into the Transquaking River.
- I was wondering if it might be possible to replace "consistently" with something more quantative and precise. How long? how much? how frequently?
- - On the sourcing might be nice to add in [10] just to shore up the articles sourcing.
- - I've suggested an ALT 2 just to tighten the phrasing up. Would appreciate a 2nd opinion.
- Seddon talk 19:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
7th Macho de Monte Infantry Company
- ... that the elite 7th Macho de Monte Infantry Company of the Panama Defense Forces was named after a tapir? Source: The U.S. Military Intervention in Panama: Operation Just Cause, December 1989-January 1990 by Lawrence A. Yates
Created by Lankyant (talk). Self-nominated at 03:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC).
@Lankyant: I made some minor copyedits to the article. There are a couple sentences which need a citation (I marked them with tags). The nomination passes the length, size and date criteria, though the article was not created on 1-31-22; rather it was moved to mainspace on 1-27-22, so this needs to be revised and relocated to Jan 27 nominations. Please ping me when the references are added and will take a second look. Regards, Al Ameer (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Al Ameer son: Thanks mate, I found some references and have added them, sorry for the confusion with the movement from main space. Lankyant (talk) 23:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 1[edit]
Khin Ma Ma Maw
![Premier Ba Maw and his wife Consort Maw at the Coronation of George VI in 1937](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Ba_Maw_and_Khin_Ma_Ma_Maw.jpg/140px-Ba_Maw_and_Khin_Ma_Ma_Maw.jpg)
- ... that Khin Ma Ma Maw (pictured) was the Burma's first Nanyinwun Kadaw and the only First Lady of Burma during the Japanese occupation of Burma? Source: "မြန်မာပြည်က ပထမလေဒီ၊ ဦးသျှောင်တို့ရဲ့ မဟေသီများ". BBC News (in Burmese). 22 November 2020.
Created by Taung Tan (talk). Self-nominated at 15:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC).
some strange sentences that might need clarifying (I would do it myself if I understood Burmese), e.g.
Ba Maw was a joint decision on the political affairs taken with his wife
also some of the citations are missing page numbers Kingoflettuce (talk) 01:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: I made some minor edits to clarfy some sentences, on behalf of Taung Tan. If you don't mind, pls check again. TIA. Htanaungg (talk) 08:37, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Would you happen to know the page numbers being cited? Kingoflettuce (talk) 12:36, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: Google Books, unfortunately, doesn't show page numbers for (Than 2013); otherwise, all have been added. Htanaungg (talk) 04:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Would be helpful to explain what "nanyinwun kadaw" means, especially since there isn't an article for that Kingoflettuce (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: Done mentioning its simple translation. Htanaungg (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: Nanyinwun kadaw is successor position of Ngahtaung-ser Kadaw during the British rule. Not likely today's spouse of the PM, it was an official position not PR stunt. Taung Tan (talk) 11:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
This nomination needs a full review, since one has never been done. Flibirigit (talk) 17:45, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 2[edit]
Russia
- ... that the February Revolution of 1917 in Russia, named after the month February, actually took place during the month of March? Source: https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/what-was-the-february-revolution
- Comment: I nominated Russia to GA status, and since the nomination passed, thought this would a nice fact. Since the revolution is widely known as the February Revolution, many, and arguably most people think it took place during February - although it took place in March.
Improved to Good Article status by Mspriz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- AGF
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- AGF
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- x
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: - not needed
Overall: Mspriz Welcome to DYK and thank you for your remarkable work in bringing Russia to GA status. The article sure has some info for the DYK section but DYK has some other rules than GA and we should take our time. Further comments below.
- I'll review this one Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Article is long enough, new enough and qpq is not needed. With Copyvio I assume good faith as the article seems to be too long for the earwig.
The fact of the hook is not mentioned in the article, the image is also not used. The image I guess can be helped with easily, how February and March can be included, I am not sure and I'll let you figure out. You can also suggest additional hooks.
Then each paragraph of the article should end with a source which sources the info mentioned above. I am sure there are sources within the article that potentially source each phrase, but we still need some more and I am sure you can help Wikipedia a bit.
- In the post soviet era, the separatist islamist insurrections need an additional source. √
- For the head of the Russian government according to the constitution we need a source. I found one that it is the head of the Government, but not according to the constitution. Maybe you could find one like this?
- For the composition of the three branches of the government we would also need a source at the end of the paragraph. I guess the source above sources it, but it only sources the three branches, not their composition which is mentioned below. Best is to add a source for each point.
- In Human rights and corruption a source for the kleptocracy description of Russia would be good. A prominent one better. Kleptocracy Removed
- In the first paragraph in Transport and Energy, on the business of Moscows airport there would also be needed a source at the end of the paragraph.√ Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- I guess the block of the DYK nominator solves the issue? I have adapted the article a bit, sourced some phrases and added the image and the phrase needed for the DYK. The Government phrases are too much to find and I'd just approve them per AGF. But then the DYK would have to be approved by another reviewer as I am sort of a prominent editor of the hook:)Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Paradise Chronicle are you intending to adopt this then or should it be closed? CMD (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I could nominate it for DYK. It's an interesting hook. Would I have to nominate it separately? I actually would have preferred a review credit. If you want to nominate yourself, go ahead.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- This is an interesting factoid but I do not believe it's suitable for DYK. It is a bit of trivia that is certainly WP:UNDUE in the Russia article. (t · c) buidhe 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well, who wants to go against Buidhe's advice? I won't. Let's close it then.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Closing then. CMD (talk) 08:34, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if the nomination could be given another chance. It's not like our article on Russia would ever be eligible for DYK again given that it already reached GA status, and I'm sure there's plenty of material in the article that could be used as a hook, even if not necessarily the revolution angle that was originally proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well it might get delisted soon, in which case a relist would be eligible. CMD (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm putting out a note at WT:DYK—we don't often get articles this widely viewed/important, we shouldn't pass this up. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I see no problem with running that hook, aside from the fact that it's not presently in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- The February Revolution hook is misleading – the revolution started in March according to the Gregorian calendar, but in February according to the Julian calendar, which was still used in Russia at the time. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:46, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- I see no problem with running that hook, aside from the fact that it's not presently in the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm putting out a note at WT:DYK—we don't often get articles this widely viewed/important, we shouldn't pass this up. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well it might get delisted soon, in which case a relist would be eligible. CMD (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Well, who wants to go against Buidhe's advice? I won't. Let's close it then.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- This is an interesting factoid but I do not believe it's suitable for DYK. It is a bit of trivia that is certainly WP:UNDUE in the Russia article. (t · c) buidhe 05:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I could nominate it for DYK. It's an interesting hook. Would I have to nominate it separately? I actually would have preferred a review credit. If you want to nominate yourself, go ahead.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Paradise Chronicle are you intending to adopt this then or should it be closed? CMD (talk) 00:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1
... that in Russia, International Women's Day on March 8 is so popular that florists can earn profits of "15 times" more than other holidays?— Maile (talk) 02:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
From the article, "International Women's Day on March 8, gained momentum in Russia during the Soviet era. The annual celebration of women has become so popular, especially among Russian men, that Moscow's flower vendors often see profits of "15 times" more than other holidays.[1]"
- ALT1a: ... that florists in Russia can see a fifteenfold increase in profits on International Women's Day compared to other holidays?
- We'll probably have at least one hook that delineates that March 8 is IWD, doesn't need to be this one. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- also, for the cn tag, do any of these sources work? I'm not up on their reliability... [11] [12] [13] [14] theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they)
- I like ALT1a even better. Much more hooky. — Maile (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron I have checked some of the sources and to me all are available. Though I must admit, that for Russia to keep the GA status some better sources are needed. The article has just been nominated for reassessment and I think we should better wait. As the original reviewer, I won't review it in the current status. After buidhe voiced doubts on the sourcing and the recently detected ranges from 14% to 70% middle class population I just don't feel comfortable approving it.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Fair cop, Paradise Chronicle—I've started a good article reassessment, and we'll put this nomination on hold while we do. If we end up having to reject, and this article then survives GAR, no prejudice against renomination. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:37, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron I have checked some of the sources and to me all are available. Though I must admit, that for Russia to keep the GA status some better sources are needed. The article has just been nominated for reassessment and I think we should better wait. As the original reviewer, I won't review it in the current status. After buidhe voiced doubts on the sourcing and the recently detected ranges from 14% to 70% middle class population I just don't feel comfortable approving it.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:26, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- I like ALT1a even better. Much more hooky. — Maile (talk) 12:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Given that March 8 is approaching, the GAR needs to be finished as soon as possible if the IWD hook is to be used. On the other hand, given recent events, there may be more roadblocks for the nomination at the moment. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: we're—we're not running this on IWD, right? that would be wildly inappropriate, even if russia pulled back all of its troops tomorrow. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron It might be a bad idea to run a hook about Russia anytime soon but I can understand the argument of "the hook should be fine because: 1. the nomination was started long before the conflict began and 2. the hook has nothing to do with politics or the military". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: The fact that it has nothing to do with politics or the military is the problem—it'd be seen as us trying to change the subject from the fact that Russia is currently carrying out an invasion of a sovereign entity without international or popular support. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Would having a hook about Ukraine running at the same time or at a similar time help, or is the current situation simply too much for any hook about Russia or Ukraine to run anytime soon? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- If there was another cutesy hook about Ukraine to run, maybe we could put them together. But, then, given the victim-bully narrative in US media, as leeky points out, running a hook that paints Russia in this oddly sweet light could be interpreted as a deliberate action along the lines of "look, Russia isn't that bad", while the West at least would find the same statement of "victim" Ukraine to not be worth mention. Navigating this stuff is almost certainly impossible and to be safe, avoiding all mention, with a wide margin of error, too, is the way to go, IMO. Kingsif (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Would pairing this nomination with Template:Did you know nominations/Prayer for Ukraine solve the issues? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I, personally, think we should not post anything that could be related, positive, negative, neutral, whatever, and the idea of putting two kind of opposing POV hooks together to cancel out is not any better (possibly worse, it may be obvious to the reader that we are trying to do that. And we can't discount people thinking "WP wouldn't put up something about Ukraine without being nice to Russia, gross" - on the internet, any possible misinterpretation will happen, you know) - but as convincing as I want to rant, if people really want to put these on the MP, it always takes more effort to keep telling someone no. Kingsif (talk) 12:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: Would pairing this nomination with Template:Did you know nominations/Prayer for Ukraine solve the issues? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:29, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- If there was another cutesy hook about Ukraine to run, maybe we could put them together. But, then, given the victim-bully narrative in US media, as leeky points out, running a hook that paints Russia in this oddly sweet light could be interpreted as a deliberate action along the lines of "look, Russia isn't that bad", while the West at least would find the same statement of "victim" Ukraine to not be worth mention. Navigating this stuff is almost certainly impossible and to be safe, avoiding all mention, with a wide margin of error, too, is the way to go, IMO. Kingsif (talk) 22:21, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Would having a hook about Ukraine running at the same time or at a similar time help, or is the current situation simply too much for any hook about Russia or Ukraine to run anytime soon? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: The fact that it has nothing to do with politics or the military is the problem—it'd be seen as us trying to change the subject from the fact that Russia is currently carrying out an invasion of a sovereign entity without international or popular support. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Theleekycauldron It might be a bad idea to run a hook about Russia anytime soon but I can understand the argument of "the hook should be fine because: 1. the nomination was started long before the conflict began and 2. the hook has nothing to do with politics or the military". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: we're—we're not running this on IWD, right? that would be wildly inappropriate, even if russia pulled back all of its troops tomorrow. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Russians splurge on flowers for International Women's Day". France 24. 7 March 2019. Retrieved 9 January 2022.
Articles created/expanded on February 5[edit]
Victoria Brownworth
- ... that Victoria Brownworth was the first open lesbian to write a column about lesbian topics in a daily newspaper? Source: https://www.windycitytimes.com/lgbt/BOOKS-Tiny-Satchel-Press-gives-LGBT-youth-of-color-a-voice/34079.html
Created by Significa liberdade (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 6 February 2022 (UTC).
Article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. The hook fact is cited inline and verified. You appear to not have any prior DYK credits, please confirm if this is the case. Given that the hook fact is quite strong, are there any other sources that also confirm it? If none, I'm willing to accept the source that's already in the article, I'm just wondering if there are also other references that also talk about it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- I do not have any DYK credits. As for sourcing, I found an article Brownworth wrote for Dame in which she mentions "co-found[ing] the first lesbian radio program in the country, with Jesse Ford and Rose Weber, called Amazon Country; co-edit[ing] a lesbian quarterly, Wicce"; being "the first out lesbian with a daily newspaper column"; as well as "publish[ing] the first book on lesbians and cancer" and "the first book on lesbians and disability." Given that Brownworth wrote the article, though, I don't think it's reliable in this instance. I can't find other sources at the moment, though. "50 Years After Stonewall: How Much Has Changed?" Significa liberdade (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, does the hook refer to worldwide or just the United States? There's the possibility that someone else outside the U.S. may have been the first open lesbian to write a column about lesbian topics in a daily newspaper, so more sources clarifying this would be appreciated. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
- I do not have any DYK credits. As for sourcing, I found an article Brownworth wrote for Dame in which she mentions "co-found[ing] the first lesbian radio program in the country, with Jesse Ford and Rose Weber, called Amazon Country; co-edit[ing] a lesbian quarterly, Wicce"; being "the first out lesbian with a daily newspaper column"; as well as "publish[ing] the first book on lesbians and cancer" and "the first book on lesbians and disability." Given that Brownworth wrote the article, though, I don't think it's reliable in this instance. I can't find other sources at the moment, though. "50 Years After Stonewall: How Much Has Changed?" Significa liberdade (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Significa liberdade: Any updates on this end? Given how strong the statement is it may be better to specify "in the United States" or find at least independent source supporting the statement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:20, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- No updates, sorry.Significa liberdade (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Noted. I still have some reservations about the sourcing so I'd like to hear a second opinion from another editor, ideally one whose editing interest is either LGBT or journalism. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- This claim is also repeated in page 171 of Doan-Minh, Sarah (Winter 2019). "Corrective Rape: An Extreme Manifestation of Discrimination and the State's Complicity in Sexual Violence". Hastings Women's Law Journal. 30 (1): 167–197..
The trauma that rape victims experience is often intensified for lesbians. Victoria Brownworth, the first out lesbian to have a column in a daily newspaper, shared her experience in "Lesbians and Rape: Another Coming-Out Story.
Some adjustments to the hook may be necessary (she's the first lesbian to have a daily column -- that's not the same as the first lesbian to have a daily column about lesbian issues, which could have been someone else). Urve (talk) 19:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)- @Urve: this confuses me—how could another lesbian have had a daily column about lesbian issues before the first lesbian to ever have a daily column of any kind? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- This claim is also repeated in page 171 of Doan-Minh, Sarah (Winter 2019). "Corrective Rape: An Extreme Manifestation of Discrimination and the State's Complicity in Sexual Violence". Hastings Women's Law Journal. 30 (1): 167–197..
- No updates, sorry.Significa liberdade (talk) 13:38, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 8[edit]
Abhijatabhivamsa
... that Abhijātābhivaṃsa was conferred as the 12th recipient of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika, for he can memorize and recite all pages of the Tipiṭaka?Source: Mya Than San 2020: p. 434-5- ALT1 ...
that Abhijātābhivaṃsa, 12th recipient of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika, can memorize and recite all pages of the Tipiṭaka?Source: Same as above- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/U Din Kyaw Khaung
- Comment: The article appeared on ITN as RD, not blurb.
Created by Htanaungg (talk). Self-nominated at 05:06, 9 February 2022 (UTC).
- starting review Mujinga (talk) 15:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- General eligibility:
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Overall: thanks for an interesting submission. the hooks just need a bit of work. both ALT0 and ALT1 are both currently in present tense, but the person is dead therefore it needs to be past tense (ie could not can). both sentences could be made snappier, eg i'd prefer "made" for "conferred". lastly, "12th recipient of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika" is cited here but we all need the cite on the ALTs for "memorize and recite all pages of the Tipiṭaka" Mujinga (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Mujinga. I would fix the hook as follows. Htanaungg (talk) 03:36, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2 ...
that Abhijātābhivaṃsa was made as the 12th recipient of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika, for he could memorize and recite all pages of the Tipiṭaka?Source: (Mya Than San 2020: p. 434-5) for "12th recipient" and (The Mirror 2007) for "memorize and recite all pages of the Tipiṭaka"
- Hi Htanaungg I'm guessing you are not a native english speaker because some readability issues remain with the present ALTs, so I'll simply propose a new ALT and ask for a second reviewer, please correct any errors I've introduced. There's also an issue whether it should be 12th or twelfth, for me the guidance is unclear on that.
- ALT3 ... that Abhijātābhivaṃsa became the 12th Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika because he could memorize and recite all the pages of the Tipiṭaka?
- ALT4 ... that Abhijātābhivaṃsa became the twelfth Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika because he could memorize and recite all the pages of the Tipiṭaka?
Mujinga (talk) 11:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- The content of these hooks is not present in the article; it says that he "recit[ed] the Canon without being prompted more than five times in a day", and it later says, without connection, that he "was offered the title of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika by the Burmese government". If he was offered this title because of his memorization of this text, then the article should make that clear. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Bryanrutherford0: how about ALT5, then? Htanaungg (talk) 10:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT5... that Abhijātābhivaṃsa, 12th recipient of the title of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika, could memorize and recite all the pages of the Tipiṭaka?
- ALT5 is supported by the citations in the article. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 13:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- The content of these hooks is not present in the article; it says that he "recit[ed] the Canon without being prompted more than five times in a day", and it later says, without connection, that he "was offered the title of Tipiṭakadhara Dhammabhaṇḍāgārika by the Burmese government". If he was offered this title because of his memorization of this text, then the article should make that clear. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 9[edit]
Killing of Jay Abatan
- ... that Jay Abatan was unlawfully killed in 1999 and his family continue to campaign for justice? Source: unlawfully killed - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-11618143, continue to campaign - https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-01-28/family-of-man-killed-in-brighton-attack-call-for-justice-ahead-of-vigil
Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 18:43, 14 February 2022 (UTC).
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- Mujinga my suggestion is to reword slightly: ALT1: ...that after Jay Abatan was unlawfully killed in 1999, his family continued to campaign for justice?
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Nice work! Approved, pending feedback on the tweaked hook. paul2520 💬 18:02, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, I like ALT1 (with same sources) but I prefer to keep ALT0 in the running also, since it emphasises that the campaign is ongoing (there was a vigil this year in January). On my understanding this now needs a second reviewer since the original reviewer has proposed a new alt. Mujinga (talk) 22:04, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Mujinga (I, like, triple-checked this one) and Paul2520: Could the hook be rephrased? I'm uncomfortable with the connotation of "pursuing justice", since the killers haven't been convicted. It implies that we think they should be (and don't get me wrong, they should be, but...) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
2022 Karnataka hijab row
- ... that denial of entry into schools for students wearing Hijab led to the Hijab row in Karnataka? Source: "Local media reported last week that several schools in Karnataka had denied entry to Muslim girls wearing the hijab citing an education ministry order, prompting protests from parents and students." Reuters
- Reviewed: Exempt
- Comment:
Created by Venkat TL (talk) and Ainty Painty (talk). Nominated by Venkat TL (talk) at 13:46, 10 February 2022 (UTC).
New enough and long enough. QPQ not needed (3 credits). The article does need editing: I see a {{by whom}} tag and a {{excessive citations}} tag that is unacceptable for an article being highlighted on the Main Page, and I'd also like to see the references use citation templates (though this is not a DYK requirement). I can't say I like the construction of the hook, with "Hijab" twice in five words. Can I suggest some options, Venkat TL and Ainty Painty? Please ping me when this is done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that 2022 Karnataka hijab row over the wearing of hijab escalated into a three-day closure of high schools and colleges in Karnataka, India?
I would not normally do this, but after further review (and some off-wiki gathering of advice from fellow editors), and having followed this article's development in recent days, I am going to decline this nomination (WP:IAR) because it is eminently clear at this time that the page is not stable enough for DYK and that the current conflicts surrounding it are of high stakes. This is not your fault, Venkat TL and Ainty Painty.
- It is unfortunate that neither the DYK rules near the DYK supplementary rules reference stability in the same way that the good article criteria do. However, this page would not qualify. It is about a current event in a field with discretionary sanctions. There have been more than 100 edits in five days. And there has been a lot of discussion on the talk page, including several people who expressed concerns about the stability of the page at DYK. At Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, there is an open thread pertaining to conduct of editors on this exact page.
- Because of the volume of edits and developments, it may be the case that if this were approved, it may not meet DYK standards, especially in areas such as NPOV, by the time it was placed on the Main Page. One in five references has been added after my last edit, for instance.
- The topic area means that there is already quite high exposure to this page. The article is gathering a median of 1,780 views a day. Giving it more exposure at this stage may not be salubrious for its development, especially an unstable page and in a topic with inherent sectarian tensions.
- I don't do this lightly, but I do it because of the delicate nature of the topic area and because the rapid pace of edits to this page vis-a-vis DYK may mean that something reaches the Main Page without being appropriately neutral. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: why not just wait until this article has stabilized? Assuming a DYK nom has been done in a timely order (within 7 days of creation), is there a limit to how long we can wait to resolve potential issues? VR talk 05:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Based on what Sammi said another possible issue isn't just stability but also neutrality. Even if the article stabilized, if the tone was still decisively POV, it wouldn't be approved for POV. It doesn't help that the topic in question is already a POV magnet even outside Wikipedia. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- May I request everyone including @Narutolovehinata5 and Sammi Brie: to be patient and wait for few weeks for the article to stabilize. This is a current ongoing event. Patience is needed.Venkat TL (talk) 12:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Based on what Sammi said another possible issue isn't just stability but also neutrality. Even if the article stabilized, if the tone was still decisively POV, it wouldn't be approved for POV. It doesn't help that the topic in question is already a POV magnet even outside Wikipedia. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: why not just wait until this article has stabilized? Assuming a DYK nom has been done in a timely order (within 7 days of creation), is there a limit to how long we can wait to resolve potential issues? VR talk 05:40, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, it's been more than two weeks. While page views have stabilized at a steady level, many of my concerns linger. The article has multiple talk page discussions, is the subject of a fairly decent daily edit load, and some of the editors on the talk page are worried about NPOV or missing aspects of the topic. (There is also a paragraph needing an inline citation to end it.) I don't think this DYK nomination can go forward but encourage the editors to work toward improving the page with citation templates, increasing POV scrutiny, and adding citations where appropriate. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 10[edit]
Noefefan Bridge
- ... that the Noefefan Bridge (pictured) in Oecusse, East Timor, was originally planned to be a truss bridge, but was constructed as an arch bridge with three long arches? Source: Noefefan Bridge, Timor Leste". Waagner Biro Bridge Systems: "Original planned as a truss bridge, the design was modified following a suggestion by Waagner Biro Indonesia and now completed bridge was constructed. ... The bridge consists of 3 long arches, each 120 meter in length, and weighs approximately 2.000 tonnes."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/75 Wall Street
- Comment: There is a photo of the bridge in the article, but I haven't included the photo with this nomination, as it is not a very good photo. If the hook is thought to be too long, then "with three long arches" can be deleted.
5x expanded by Bahnfrend (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC).
This nomination needs a QPQ credit. Please see RfC on excessively late supply of QPQ credits, which agreed to a one-week timeline. I will complete the review when a QPQ is ready. Flibirigit (talk) 23:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Sorry. I've made a number of DYK nominations recently, and lost track of the QPQs. I've now done a QPQ for this one. Another update: there is now a better picture in the infobox of this article, and that picture could be used with the hook if desired. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for completing a QPQ. I have added the images to this nomination. I will complete the review later today. Flibirigit (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Sorry. I've made a number of DYK nominations recently, and lost track of the QPQs. I've now done a QPQ for this one. Another update: there is now a better picture in the infobox of this article, and that picture could be used with the hook if desired. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Article was expanded more than fivefold from February 8 to 11, and nominated in the same timeframe. Length is adequate. Images used in the article are freely licensed on the Commons. Both are clear at a low resolution and would enhance the hook. No plagiarism issues detected. QPQ requirement is now complete. There are many quotes used in the article which gives it a promotional tone. I question whether all of the quotes are necessary and if paraphrasing is a better choice. Sourcing is generally good, but citations are reuqired immediately at the end of any sentence with a direct quote. The tone of the article needs improvement as per MOS:IDIOM. Article needs to be copyedited to adhere to MOS:LQ. The hook is interesting, but would be best if shortened to omit "with three long arches". The corresponding citation for the hook is split into two sentences. Both of these sentences need a citation directly at the end to adhere to WP:DYKCRIT. Overall, the article is fair, but needs some work. Flibirigit (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Bahnfrend:, do you wish to continue with this nomination? If you're busy with other things please advise. Flibirigit (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have reviewed the article as requested. I do not believe that it fails to conform with MOS:IDIOM, and I have made one change to comply with MOS:LQ. I have no difficulty with a shortening of the hook. I have added citations at the end of the sentences. As for the quotes, there are four sets of quotes and one sentence of paraphrasing. The first two of the sets of quotes are statements by politicians praising the bridge. As politicians often complain that their statements are taken out of context, I think they should be quoted rather than paraphrased. The next two sets of quotes, and the paraphrase, are generally critical of the development project of which the bridge is a part. I believe that they balance the politicians' statements, and that the article is therefore not promotional. I would regard the article as being similar to an article about a movie that quotes the director and producer praising their handiwork, and then quotes/paraphrases three critics expressing contrary views. Both the creator of the article and I believe that the second (right hand side) image is the better image. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 11[edit]
Ronen Eldan
- ... that Israeli Professor Ronen Eldan's (pictured) work has led to breakthroughs that have had profound impacts on the fields of statistics, machine learning, and theoretical computer science? Source: https://www.nyas.org/press-releases/prestigious-blavatnik-awards-for-young-scientists-in-israel-announces-its-2022-laureates/
- ALT1: ... that research done by Israeli Professor Ronen Eldan (pictured) of the Weizmann Institute of Science has led to breakthroughs that have had profound impacts on the fields of statistics, machine learning, and theoretical computer science? Source: https://www.nyas.org/press-releases/prestigious-blavatnik-awards-for-young-scientists-in-israel-announces-its-2022-laureates/
Created by Omert33 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC).
After foundational copyvio text was removed, the article became too short to be eligible, and no longer contains text supporting the heavily promotional wording of the proposed hook. Despite the significant cuts it also contains significant amounts of unsourced material. The image is a badly framed still from a YouTube video; it appears to be acceptably licensed, but I don't think it is worthy for the main page. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:04, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Omert33? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Ordot Dump
- ... that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of Guam in the territory's attempt to seek U.S. Navy contributions to cleaning up Ordot Dump, a former landfill and Superfund site? Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/legal/scotus-sides-with-guam-160-million-ex-navy-dump-superfund-case-2021-05-24/
Created by Featous (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC).
New enough and long enough. QPQ not needed; fewer than five credits. Article is quite interesting. Featous, I'd like to see the Reuters piece cited inline on the sentence that mentions this as a unanimous verdict, as there is no citation on the sentence with the hook fact, but that's all that is needed for approval of this page. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 12[edit]
Boots theory
- ... that according to the "boots" theory, poverty is more expensive than being rich? Source: Men at Arms (1993)
- ALT1:
... that according to Captain Sam Vimes's "boots" theory of socio-economic unfairness, "the reason the rich [are] so rich" because they don't spend as much money are able to spend less money on necessities?Source: ibid- ALT1a: ... that according to Captain Sam Vimes's "boots" theory of socio-economic unfairness, "the reason the rich [are] so rich" because they are able to spend less money on necessities?
- ALT2: ... that Terry Pratchett's estate endorsed a rival inflation index to CPI with a greater focus on staple items, named after his Discworld character Sam Vimes? Source: Guardian
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Woody (Toy Story) 2
- Comment: The "boots" theory is one of those classic things from Discworld which, while getting a chuckle out the common geek, hasn't really risen to an acceptable level of notability until recently. For that first reason, it lends itself to a DYK hook very well. I do hope TheTranarchist forgives me for jumping the gun a little, but I think such a good hook shouldn't fall by the wayside because the article's creator is a new editor.
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Moved to mainspace by TheTranarchist (talk). Nominated by Sceptre (talk) at 00:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC).
- Hook comments: glad to see this one making the rounds :) for the main hook, "wealth" might be a better foil to "poverty" rather than "being rich". For ALT1, it reads more like a personal responsibility sermon (i.e. avocado toast argument) than what I think boots theory might be going for. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- No problem, glad to see it as a DYK! Also, in regards to the reception section, should it be remade as a subsection of the VBI (including supermarket responses)? Not sure if those were removed during the move and conflicting edits accidentally or due to some sourcing issue. TheTranarchist (talk) 01:38, 12 February 2022 (UTC)TheTranarchist
- @Theleekycauldron: Good point about ALT1; I've edited it to be much closer to what it means (with the original wording struck out, for context in the discussion). Also, good point about the main hook; it's up to the promoter, but I like it. :) Sceptre (talk) 19:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sceptre! I've crossed out ALT1 in full and put yours in as an ALT1a, since hooks should generally be copy-paste ready to go for promotion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Full review needed now that hook issues have been discussed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sceptre! I've crossed out ALT1 in full and put yours in as an ALT1a, since hooks should generally be copy-paste ready to go for promotion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:19, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Okay, full review! New enough, long enough, neutral, interesting, QPQ done. My preference would be for ALT0. Overall, the article is mostly ready, but I do have two concerns: (a) Would it be possible to have a secondary source for the plot summary in the first paragraph of the Conception section? If such a source doesn't exist, that's probably fine, but it would be better if it did have one in the interests of a fully well-cited article. (b) This isn't technically a DYK requirement, but the Vimes Boots Index section is a bit confusing to someone who goes in not knowing what at all it's talking about (e.g. me). It would be great if it could be clarified a little at the beginning: what kind of index are you talking about when you say "their own index"? What are the CPI and the RPI? A little clarification there would make this article much friendlier to non-experts (slash non-UK-residents?) when they click on it from the main page. Aerin17 (t • c) 17:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 13[edit]
Trial of Neumann and Sass
![Court hearing of the trial of Neumann and Sass in Kaunas, Lithuania in 1935](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Trial_of_the_Nazis_of_the_Klaip%C4%97da_Region_%E2%80%93_priest_Theodor_Freiherr_von_Sass%2C_veterinarian_Ernst_Neumann%2C_and_others_in_Kaunas%2C_1935.jpg/180px-Trial_of_the_Nazis_of_the_Klaip%C4%97da_Region_%E2%80%93_priest_Theodor_Freiherr_von_Sass%2C_veterinarian_Ernst_Neumann%2C_and_others_in_Kaunas%2C_1935.jpg)
- ... that in 1934–1935 Lithuania held the first mass trial of the Nazis in Europe (pictured), the convicted were sentenced to imprisonments in a heavy labor prison and capital punishments? Source: The hook is written in the header of the article. Quote from the Lithuanian source: "Nacių masinis teismas Europoje vyko pirmą kartą, tuo susidomėjo didžiosios valstybės." (English: The mass trial of the Nazis in Europe was held for the first time, it drew the attention of the great powers); link to the reference with this claim.
- Comment: In the past I created three DYK nominations: Lithuania women's national basketball team, Kurier Litewski, and Lithuanian People's Army. I believe that the photo of the trial should be included in the DYK as well because it is a very historically significant, extraordinary event.
Created by Pofka (talk). Self-nominated at 21:46, 13 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: the article has been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2022 February 14, so that needs to be resolved before the article can pass a DYK review. TSventon (talk) 22:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- Pofka, review follows.
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Overall: The article is new enough, long enough, and cited inline throughout. You are QPQ exempt as this is your fourth nomination. However the article is currently listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems as it incorporates large amounts of translated text from at least two cited sources. The article also inherits a pro-Lithuanian point of view from its sources as explained on the talk page. The copyright status of the picture also needs to be checked. If it is anonymous and over 70 years old it would be public domain. However it comes from MLE and says "Iš Lietuvos centrinio valstybės archyvo" (From the Central State Archive of Lithuania), so I don’t know when it was first published. TSventon (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The suggested hook ALT0 is mentioned in the article and supported by several sources.I didn’t find the claim in the ‘’Annaberger Annalen’’ reference, however that is a multi-page PDF in German. I don’t think the hook satisfies NPOV, as according to Alvydas Nikžentaitis on page 777 of Germany and the Memel Germans in the 1930s "Lithuanian historians often allege (without evidence) that this was the first anti-Nazi trial, a 'Little Nuremburg' ". I would suggest something like
- ALT0a: ... that the trial of Neumann and Sass (pictured), held in Lithuania in 1934–1935, has been described as the first mass trial of the Nazis in Europe?
Quote from the Lithuanian source: "Nacių masinis teismas Europoje vyko pirmą kartą" "The Nazi mass trial took place in Europe for the first time" link to the reference with this claim. TSventon (talk) 14:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- Update: copyright problems were resolved on 21 February so checklist updated. TSventon (talk) 15:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Update: the MLE has a general list of illustrators, so I don't think we can assume that the photo of the trial is anonymous. TSventon (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- The copyright note on anonymous/unknown photographer is that they never claimed authorship of the photo. We can guess it had to be one of the people on that list, but with no attribution and none of them having come forward to claim any copyright, it is free and fine until such a claim is made. Kingsif (talk) 09:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Kingsif the photo comes from MLE and says "Iš Lietuvos centrinio valstybės archyvo" (From the Central State Archive of Lithuania). As no name is mentioned, can we treat it as anonymous? TSventon (talk) 10:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Having recently been focusing on central archive works (though not from Lithuania), I think it is safe to do so. I would check that it is appropriately licensed for use in Lithuania and the United States, though. Kingsif (talk) 10:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I notice the image says it's public domain in the EU (which includes the country of origin), but it would also need a tag to explain why it's public domain in the US (if it is), as Commons images need to be PD in both country of origin and US. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Pofka, please could you check US PD status for the image and add a tag on Commons as suggested above? TSventon (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: @TSventon: It is a PD Lithuanian image, so it qualifies under the same license as PD-Poland (e.g. Polish photo with this license template), but I believe there is no equivalent Commons template for Lithuania (maybe it should be created now?). This Lithuanian image qualifies all these three requirements (added information about that in this file's license section):
- 1) it was first published outside the United States (and not published in the U.S. within 30 days),
- 2) it was first published before 1 March 1989 without copyright notice or before 1964 without copyright renewal or before the source country established copyright relations with the United States,
- 3) it was in the public domain in its home country (Lithuania) on the URAA date (1 January 1996). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pofka (talk • contribs) 18:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging TSventon and Joseph2302, who wouldn't have been pinged by Pofka's prior post since they forgot to sign it. (Pings don't work without a four-tilde sig.) Also, TSventon, you shouldn't use a status of "no" in {{DYK checklist}} unless the nomination is completely hopeless and almost certainly won't pass even if work is done; if there are solvable issues, then "maybe" is the way to go, and if there's only a minor issue or two, then "?". BlueMoonset (talk) 23:05, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Pofka, please could you check US PD status for the image and add a tag on Commons as suggested above? TSventon (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I notice the image says it's public domain in the EU (which includes the country of origin), but it would also need a tag to explain why it's public domain in the US (if it is), as Commons images need to be PD in both country of origin and US. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Having recently been focusing on central archive works (though not from Lithuania), I think it is safe to do so. I would check that it is appropriately licensed for use in Lithuania and the United States, though. Kingsif (talk) 10:12, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Kingsif the photo comes from MLE and says "Iš Lietuvos centrinio valstybės archyvo" (From the Central State Archive of Lithuania). As no name is mentioned, can we treat it as anonymous? TSventon (talk) 10:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- The copyright note on anonymous/unknown photographer is that they never claimed authorship of the photo. We can guess it had to be one of the people on that list, but with no attribution and none of them having come forward to claim any copyright, it is free and fine until such a claim is made. Kingsif (talk) 09:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Update:BlueMoonset I followed the Did you know/Reviewing guide and put no because I believe that the article requires considerable work before becoming eligible. I have taken your advice and changed to may be.
- Joseph2302, Kingsif thank you for your comments, I have chanbged the photo to eligible. TSventon (talk) 14:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Georgy Dokuchaev
- ... that Imperial Russian general Georgy Dokuchaev commanded the forces of the Centrocaspian Dictatorship in the battle of Baku against Ottoman-Azerbaijani Islamic Army of the Caucasus? Source: Allen, William Edward David; Muratoff, Paul (2011). Caucasian Battlefields: a History of the Wars on the Turco-Caucasian Border 1828-1921. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. p. 492. ISBN 9780511708732.
Created by Grandmaster (talk). Self-nominated at 19:53, 13 February 2022 (UTC).
- Question:Grandmaster is under an Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 topic ban per: this report. Does that affect Armenia or Azerbaijan related DYK nominations? TSventon (talk) 14:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
As the nominator was recently topic banned from the topic (see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive301#Grandmaster) and hasn't edited since the topic ban was imposed, unless another editor decides to adopt this the nomination is now marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:31, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- The nominated article has two citation needed tags to resolve, if it is adopted. Flibirigit (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
This nomination needs a full review, since one has never been done. Flibirigit (talk) 17:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 14[edit]
Ein Danklied sei dem Herrn
... that the "song of thanks" "Ein Danklied sei dem Herrn", with 1886 text by Guido Maria Dreves and a later melody by Josef V. von Wöss, was sung for a service with Pope Benedict XVI at the Würzburg Cathedral?Source: [15]- comment: I missed a day, again, sorry. Willing to expand over the next days if there's no mercy ;)
- reviewed: Du (magazine)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:53, 14 February 2022 (UTC).
While the hook is interesting, it is over 200 characters and the article was not nominated within seven days of creation. If the article is given a 5x expansion, the article can become eligible, but right now it is not eligible for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:22, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
You know that I can't expand it 5 times, and wonder if every reviewer offers as little grace as you.
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... that the "song of thanks" "Ein Danklied sei dem Herrn", with 1886 text by Guido Maria Dreves and music by Josef V. von Wöss, was sung for a service with Pope Benedict XVI in Würzburg?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The article was long enough at the time of the nomination. A QPQ has been done, and no close paraphrasing was found. The hook facts are cited inline and cited to German-language sources, so I am assuming good faith her. The hook is somewhat interesting to me (a song being performed for the Pope does sound interesting), but I think the hook could use a copyedit to make it flow better. It's also a bit on the long side, so it may need to be trimmed a bit, although the hook fact itself (the song was performed for the Pope) is fine. It appears that the article has not actually received a 5x expansion since my last comment. However, as there are really no other issues aside from the nomination date and maybe the flow of the hook, I'm considering doing an IAR approval of this nomination. I'll give it some thought, but for now I would suggest that the hook be copyedited for flow. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- We could drop "song of thanks" but then leave readers without any idea of what the German means (and it's shorter that a translation), I believe that the two authors need to be mentioned, as notable also for other things (especially the composer), I believe that we need one date for the creation, because there wasn't much hymn-writing in the 19th century, we could drop Würzburg but would perhaps have to say "Germany" instead. What do others think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just realized that the performance made on the date of Pope Benedict's abdication. Perhaps a hook about that would work better?
- ALT1 ... that the 1886 song of thanks "Ein Danklied sei dem Herrn" by Guido Maria Dreves and Josef V. von Wöss was performed at a thanksgiving service for Pope Benedict XVI on the date of his abdication?
- ALT2 ... that the 1886 song of thanks "Ein Danklied sei dem Herrn" was performed at a thanksgiving service for Pope Benedict XVI on the date of his abdication?
- ALT1 is just a tad bit under the 200 character limit, so I proposed a shorter alternate version that doesn't mention the names. I think the interesting fact here was that the song was performed in dedication to the Pope on the day he abdicated, a context that was missing in the original hook. I also have to mention that the article implies that the Pope was in Wurzburg that day, but as far as I know he was still at the Vatican on that date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the point, - I read the source too fast. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I changed the article. It probably needs some additional source, and better phrasing, but I need a break right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I just realized that the performance made on the date of Pope Benedict's abdication. Perhaps a hook about that would work better?
- We could drop "song of thanks" but then leave readers without any idea of what the German means (and it's shorter that a translation), I believe that the two authors need to be mentioned, as notable also for other things (especially the composer), I believe that we need one date for the creation, because there wasn't much hymn-writing in the 19th century, we could drop Würzburg but would perhaps have to say "Germany" instead. What do others think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. Since I proposed a new hook fact another editor will need to finish the review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 17[edit]
Baucau Airport
- ... that the only ever hijacking of a Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) aircraft began at Baucau Airport, East Timor, in 1975, and ended at RAAF Base Darwin? Source: The Guardian: "In September 1975 my grandfather, Abilio Henriques, was among 44 refugees who ...[came to] Darwin ... from then Portuguese Timor, now Timor-Leste, on board the only Royal Australian air force plane ever hijacked." ... "... the Caribou flew into Baucau, expecting a quick stop ... before returning to Darwin." ... "Aggressively, Gil motioned to the pilots to load the plane and waved the Timorese on board. “We were reluctantly being hijacked,” says Browne."
- Reviewed: TBA
- Comment: If the hook is thought to be too long, then the portion "..., and ended at RAAF Base Darwin ..." could be deleted.
5x expanded by Bahnfrend (talk). Self-nominated at 07:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC).
- Just a comment for now but I agree that the Darwin mention makes the hook a bit unwieldly and it would be better to delete it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Have you done a quid pro quo review yet? If so, add it to the nomination. If not, please do one now and then, add it to nomination. Every other qualification is met: the article was expanded fivefold, is long enough, is compliant with policy, and the hook is cited and interesting enough. Lazman321 (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 18[edit]
Chris Smalls
- ... that Chris Smalls founded the Amazon Labor Union in 2021, and thousands of Amazon warehouse workers are voting to unionize? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/01/26/amazon-union-staten-island/
Converted from a redirect by SquareInARoundHole (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 24 February 2022 (UTC).
- I had a draft going for him at Draft:Christian Smalls. Was thinking this would be hooky: ALT1: that Jeff Bezos attended a meeting where Amazon’s general counsel presented a plan to smear Amazon Labor Union founder Chris Smalls as “not smart or articulate”? Thriley (talk) 07:55, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley: That hook highlights Jeff Bezos and racism against Smalls, rather than the work he is doing. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think it would be good to detail the deliberate efforts Amazon has taken to stop his effort. They have gone pretty low. Thriley (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley: It is in the article. You might want to look that over and make some edits there if you feel it's not adequately highlighted. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure if ALT1 would fly. ALT1 sounds like a BLP violation to me (especially with the "smear" wording), and DYK guidelines discourage highlighting negative aspects about living people. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- I didn’t make the alt to disparage Smalls. I thought a hook detailing one of the many things Amazon has done in order to stop him might be more interesting than just a simple fact about his organizing work. Thriley (talk) 02:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I was referring to Bezos in my comment and not Smalls. Regardless of our thoughts on Bezos, having a hook like that about him seems to unduly portray him in a negative light. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I didn’t make the alt to disparage Smalls. I thought a hook detailing one of the many things Amazon has done in order to stop him might be more interesting than just a simple fact about his organizing work. Thriley (talk) 02:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure if ALT1 would fly. ALT1 sounds like a BLP violation to me (especially with the "smear" wording), and DYK guidelines discourage highlighting negative aspects about living people. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:36, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley: It is in the article. You might want to look that over and make some edits there if you feel it's not adequately highlighted. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think it would be good to detail the deliberate efforts Amazon has taken to stop his effort. They have gone pretty low. Thriley (talk) 17:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley: That hook highlights Jeff Bezos and racism against Smalls, rather than the work he is doing. SquareInARoundHole (talk) 16:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that Chris Smalls, who founded the Amazon Labor Union in 2021, was once a rapper and briefly toured with Meek Mills? Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/01/26/amazon-union-staten-island/https://wwd.com/business-news/business-features/amazon-chris-smalls-workers-group-1203631429/
Ladder (option combination)
- ... that long ladders have unlimited risk? Source: [16]: "The long call ladder, or bull call ladder, is a limited profit, unlimited risk strategy"; [17]: "The long put ladder, or bear put ladder, is a limited profit, unlimited risk strategy"
- ALT1: ... that Christmas trees are ladders? Source: Natenberg, Sheldon (2015). Option Volatility and Pricing: Advanced Trading Strategies and Techniques. Chapter 11: "Such spreads are known as either Christmas trees or ladders."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/DBTel
- Comment: Could potentially be used as an April Fool's hook.
Created by Mx. Granger (talk). Self-nominated at 07:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC).
Elendil
... that J. R. R. Tolkien compared Elendil to the biblical Noah? Source:Tolkien compared Elendil to the Biblical Noah, who similarly escaped from the wreck of a civilisation by ship.
Carpenter, Humphrey, ed. (1981), The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, Boston: Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 978-0-395-31555-2, Letter #131 to Milton Waldman, late 1951ALT1: ... that J. R. R. Tolkien conceived the idea of his character Elendil during a friendly writing competition with C.S. Lewis?Source:Tolkien wrote in a 1964 letter that the Elendil story began when C. S. Lewis and he agreed to write a space travel and a time travel story respectively.
Carpenter (1981), Letter #257 to Christopher Bretherton, 16 July 1964ALT2: ... that J. R. R. Tolkien conceived of Elendil in competition with C. S. Lewis?Source:Tolkien wrote in a 1964 letter that the Elendil story began when C. S. Lewis and he agreed to write a space travel and a time travel story respectively.
Carpenter (1981), Letter #257 to Christopher Bretherton, 16 July 1964- ALT3: ... that J. R. R. Tolkien invented Elendil for a time travel story? Source:
Tolkien wrote in a 1964 letter that the Elendil story began when C. S. Lewis and he agreed to write a space travel and a time travel story respectively.
Carpenter (1981), Letter #257 to Christopher Bretherton, 16 July 1964 - ALT4: ... that J. R. R. Tolkien invented Elendil in competition with C. S. Lewis? Source:
Tolkien wrote in a 1964 letter that the Elendil story began when C. S. Lewis and he agreed to write a space travel and a time travel story respectively.
Carpenter (1981), Letter #257 to Christopher Bretherton, 16 July 1964- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ not needed as I am under 5 credits.
Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by EpicPupper (talk) at 23:11, 18 February 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: The article meets requirements but I don't think the hook works. A lot of Wikipedia readers aren't familiar with the details of the story (either LOTR or the Bible) and won't understand this comparison. (t · c) buidhe 01:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap:, any thoughts on a better hook? 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:53, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- You could gloss him, e.g. as "the hero Elendil" or "Aragorn's ancestor Elendil" or as "High King Elendil" I guess. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap:, perhaps something like "J.R.R. Tolkien conceived the idea of his character Elendil during a friendly writing competition with C.S. Lewis"? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Up to you. It's a bit long. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Added as ALT1. I personally like it. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 04:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Up to you. It's a bit long. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Chiswick Chap:, perhaps something like "J.R.R. Tolkien conceived the idea of his character Elendil during a friendly writing competition with C.S. Lewis"? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I mean, the vagueness of the hook could be its strength, were it not for the fact that it's the author making the comparison (in which case it's kinda ehhh). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- I guess you mean the first hook, where the brevity and vagueness are certainly inviting. But I'd go for a shortened form of ALT1, I'll call it ALT2 now. Or we could go with time travel, ALT3, maybe that's the most surprising. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- You could gloss him, e.g. as "the hero Elendil" or "Aragorn's ancestor Elendil" or as "High King Elendil" I guess. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:10, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 19[edit]
Domitille Barancira
- ... that Domitille Barancira both upheld Pierre Nkurunziza's death penalty in 1998 and received his oath as president in 2005? Source: p237: By an amazing twist of history, judge Domitille Barancira who had convicted to death rebel leader Pierre Nkurunziza in 1998 (in her capacity of president of the Court of Appeal of Bujumbura) also administered the oath (as president of the Constitutional Court) to President Pierre Nkurunziza in August 2005. - http://biblioub.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/138198954/PhD%20Final%20Version.pdf
- ALT1: ... that Domitille Barancira upheld Pierre Nkurunziza's death penalty, then later received his presidential oath? Source: p237: By an amazing twist of history, judge Domitille Barancira who had convicted to death rebel leader Pierre Nkurunziza in 1998 (in her capacity of president of the Court of Appeal of Bujumbura) also administered the oath (as president of the Constitutional Court) to President Pierre Nkurunziza in August 2005. - http://biblioub.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/138198954/PhD%20Final%20Version.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rudi Kappel
Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 15:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC).
- This is only a comment but I would suggest mentioning Burundi somewhere in the hook given that not every reader would recognize Nkurunziza nor know what country he was president of. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment, I'm not sure if it makes it more or less hooky, but I can give an extra ALT. Mujinga (talk) 12:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Burundian judge Domitille Barancira upheld Pierre Nkurunziza's death penalty, then later received his presidential oath? Source: p237: By an amazing twist of history, judge Domitille Barancira who had convicted to death rebel leader Pierre Nkurunziza in 1998 (in her capacity of president of the Court of Appeal of Bujumbura) also administered the oath (as president of the Constitutional Court) to President Pierre Nkurunziza in August 2005. - http://biblioub.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/138198954/PhD%20Final%20Version.pdf
Rosamund's Bower
- ... that in the patience or card solitaire of Rosamund's Bower (pictured), the aim is to reunite Fair Rosamund with King Henry? Source: Arnold, Peter (2011). Card Games for One. 2nd edn. London: Chambers. ISBN 9780550102010 pp. 124–125.
- Reviewed: to follow
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Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
Article is new and long enough. Article is well written and appropriately cited, but there's some close paraphrasing in the Background section that should be rephrased ("To conceal his illicit amours from his queen", "contrived to penetrate the labyrinth, confronted her rival, and forced her to choose between the dagger and the bowl of poison"). Hook is cited, clever, and short enough; maybe this is just my own ignorance of card games, but "patience" isn't a familiar term to me and makes the hook confusing. I think the hook would be clearer and more hook-y as just "that in Rosamund's Bower, the aim..." QPQ also has not yet been completed. Ping me when you've rephrased those passages and completed your QPQ and I'll pass this nomination. Morgan695 (talk) 01:15, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Yulia Tolopa
- ... that Yulia Tolopa, a single mother from Russia, has fought for Ukraine in the War in Donbas since she was 18 years old? Source: https://www.npr.org/2022/02/08/1079112845/ukrainian-women-prepare-to-mobilize-in-case-russia-invades "Tolopa was born and raised in Russia ... when Tolopa was 18, she ... joined volunteers fighting on the front line ... She's also a single mother to a 6-year-old daughter."
- ALT1: ... that Russian military volunteer for Ukraine Yulia Tolopa threw tomato juice on a Ukrainian politician?
Source: https://112.international/society/a-russian-woman-spilled-tomato-juice-over-leader-of-radical-party-lyashko-11866.html "Julia Tolopa, former fighter woman from the Aidar battalion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who is the citizen of Russia, spilled tomato juice over the leader of the radical party Oleh Lyashko on the sidelines of Ukrainian parliament. "https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/nationalities-papers/article/between-frontline-and-parliament-ukrainian-political-parties-and-irregular-armed-groups-in-20142019/90BAFE7AA179511DA2B58240D943D8C4 "On December 8, 2016, Yuliia Tolopa, a former Russian citizen and female Aidar battalion fighter who had fled to Ukraine from Russia, attacked Liashko in the building of the Ukrainian parliament and spilt tomato juice over him." - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bianca Baptiste.
- Comment: Hook ALT1 is weaker IMHO, but more quirky. Reviewer's call. Note that given the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis, her status may change drastically at any day, so I'd appreciate a timely review and DYK post.
- ALT1: ... that Russian military volunteer for Ukraine Yulia Tolopa threw tomato juice on a Ukrainian politician?
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk) and SusunW (talk). Nominated by GRuban (talk) at 19:11, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Quick comment here, but that fact that her Russian passport being blown up by a mine and thus making her ineligible to apply for Ukrainian citizenship is such a wacky and interesting fact which would also be perfect for DYK. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:44, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, sorry. The tomato juice, yes, wacky. The mine, not so much. It didn't just blow up the passport, it blew up the car she was in, injured her, and killed the three other people in it, who were presumably her friends and certainly her comrades, two immediately and one dying from his wounds in hospital. I'd rather not use it for "wacky". --GRuban (talk) 02:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- That's totally fair, I should have phrased it better and I apologize for that. I understand the severity of the situation in context and was not aware of that prior, and I understand your rationale for its exclusion. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:38, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, sorry. The tomato juice, yes, wacky. The mine, not so much. It didn't just blow up the passport, it blew up the car she was in, injured her, and killed the three other people in it, who were presumably her friends and certainly her comrades, two immediately and one dying from his wounds in hospital. I'd rather not use it for "wacky". --GRuban (talk) 02:07, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - WP:RSP lists 112 Ukraine as unreliable and previously deprecated, but I see that is the source for the second hook here. Hog Farm Talk 14:50, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Meh. WP:IAR. It's the television channel that actually televised the event, so I won't remove it from the article, but I'll add a Cambridge University Press source which should be bulletproof enough. (It's wrong, of course, she never "fled to the Ukraine from Russia", she never entered Russia again after doing anything that might cause her problems there, which merely points out our problem with dividing sources into reliable and unreliable.) I prefer the first hook anyway. --GRuban (talk) 16:02, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @GRuban:
Article is new enough (moved to mainspace on 2022 February 19), long enough (11 682 prose bytes), sourced (quality of foreign-language sources accepted in good faith, and I'm fine with the way 112 Ukraine is used), neutral, and plagiarism-free (Earwig—AGF on foreign-language sources). Hook is interesting and the citation checks out, but the fact that she was 18 needs to be explicitly mentioned in the article, it only mentions the years. QPQ has been done—almost there! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Added a mention right to the section about when she started fighting. --GRuban (talk) 13:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @GRuban: Nice work! This meets DYK criteria now, but this is still gonna be on hold for a while given ongoing DYK discussions... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah
. I understand the point, but I would not be surprised to be able to add a death date pretty much any moment. I went to the forlorn court of last resort to appeal; don't know if it will help. --GRuban (talk) 22:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been back and forth on this myself, to be honest... I'm not sure we should be waiting until the crisis is resolved to start running topical hooks. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 01:58, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah
- @GRuban: Nice work! This meets DYK criteria now, but this is still gonna be on hold for a while given ongoing DYK discussions... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 11:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Added a mention right to the section about when she started fighting. --GRuban (talk) 13:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Somali pigeon
- ... that the rare Somali pigeon "urgently" needs a population survey? Source: "There has been no survey or conservation work carried out in recent years; something that is urgently required to improve existing knowledge of this species's abundance, distribution, ecology and possible threats." — http://datazone.birdlife.org/species/factsheet/somali-pigeon-columba-oliviae/text
- Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: No QPQ needed.
5x expanded by An anonymous username, not my real name (talk). Self-nominated at 17:57, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
- A quick comment: The image needs a caption, still assessed as a stub, D. Goodwin reference: Remove WP:ALLCAPS, Section Relationship with humans needs citations. Cheers--Chanaka L (talk) 18:50, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed most of these, but I can't find a reliable source that discusses the designs of the coins of Somaliland. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
That's So Raven
- ... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise included dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, fragrance, video games, and a clothing line? Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263
- ALT1: ... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise sold dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, perfume, video games, and a clothing line? Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263
- ALT2: ... that That's So Raven merchandising franchise sold dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, fragrance, video games, and a clothing line? Source: "That's So Raven became a successful merchandising franchise over the duration of its run, with items including a novel series, dolls, board games, lunch boxes, jewellery, a fragrance and a clothing line. A line of video games was also developed;" Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/raven-symone-actress-139318/ and https://www.avclub.com/that-s-so-raven-changed-disney-channel-in-ways-no-one-c-1798247263
- Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: I prefer the ALT1 hook, however you can pick the best one.
Improved to Good Article status by SatDis (talk). Nominated by I'ma editor2022 (talk) at 15:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. I’m not sure why you made three hooks that say almost the exact thing instead of offering three different ones. They all look acceptable to me. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 23:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that That's So Raven was the first time an original Disney Channel series would exceed 3 seasons, the first to reach 100 episodes for syndication, and was called the "most succesful series"? Source text: "The announcement marked the first time an original Disney Channel series would surpass three seasons and the first to reach the milestone of 100 episodes for syndication....Ross called the program the network's 'most successful series'." Source: https://archive.ph/yd5UE and https://archive.ph/kIPCN .
- ALT4: ... that That's So Raven was the first time an original Disney Channel series would exceed 3 seasons and the first to reach 100 episodes for syndication? Source text: "The announcement marked the first time an original Disney Channel series would surpass three seasons and the first to reach the milestone of 100 episodes for syndication." Source: https://archive.ph/yd5UE and https://archive.ph/kIPCN .
Improved to Good Article status by SatDis (talk). Nominated by I'ma editor2022 (talk) at 15:33, 19 February 2022 (UTC). <!-
Uh... I need to find a way to say this gently... HOW ARE THE HOOKS INTERESTING? Hey, I didn't say I found one. Um, so, yeah. What is interesting about a franchise selling all this stuff? Almost every single franchise would do this... I'm sure there are plenty of other hooks that can be supplied, given the article's length. OK, I'm gonna check back in the morning. Bye! Pamzeis (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. The hooks aren’t very interesting or unique to this program. Thriley (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: @Thriley: OK, after looking over the article, I think both of you are right, so I found a more "interesting" one. Would you like me too change it? —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 23:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. Just enter it below my comment. Thriley (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022? Pamzeis (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: and @Thriley: Sorry for not responding to both your comments. It appears that I ddin't get a notification when you responded, and I've been quite busy, so you may want to ping me when responding. But ok, i'll put in the new hook today. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 20:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Thriley:: Would you approve of the DYK?
- @Pamzeis: and @Thriley: Sorry for not responding to both your comments. It appears that I ddin't get a notification when you responded, and I've been quite busy, so you may want to ping me when responding. But ok, i'll put in the new hook today. —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 20:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'ma editor2022? Pamzeis (talk) 02:32, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure. Just enter it below my comment. Thriley (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis: @Thriley: OK, after looking over the article, I think both of you are right, so I found a more "interesting" one. Would you like me too change it? —Remember, I'murmate — I'ma editor2022 (🗣️💬 |📖📚) 23:14, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree. The hooks aren’t very interesting or unique to this program. Thriley (talk) 19:47, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- @I'ma editor2022: New hooks with a different hook fact (i.e. not about merch) are still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I did add another hook. For clarification (because it probably looks messy), here is the new text.
- Yeah, but they obviously all refer to the same stuff, there's no real difference between "fragrance" and "perfume" or to say that the franchise "sold" xyz and that its merchandise "included" xyz. We're looking for a new hook altogether, i.e. one that doesn't involve merch (and as I'm typing this I realise Naruto has basically said the same thing, so this thread is probably a metaphor for the hooks......) ALTs are supposed to point to substantially different facts from the article, I think. Kingoflettuce (talk) 02:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I did add another hook. For clarification (because it probably looks messy), here is the new text.
Peter Merseburger
- ... that Peter Merseburger (pictured), known for controversial political themes on television in the 1960s, wrote in four years a biography of Rudolf Augstein based on correspondence and interviews? Source: several
- ALT1: ... that Peter Merseburger (pictured), who was a correspondent of the ARD in Washington, D.C. and London, enlightened his audience in West and East Germany with facts about everyday life from East Berlin? Source: several
- Reviewed: Externalization (migration)
- Comment: There's just too much we could say, also using the other pic with Willy Brandt. Help?
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:45, 19 February 2022 (UTC).
This is more of a comment than a review, but I have some reservations about the first hook. Firstly, I'm uncomfortable with him being called "controversial" in the hook (even if it's accurate) given that he's a recently-deceased person, in which case WP:BLP still applies to some extent. Secondly, the hook doesn't have international appeal since the hook gives no background on Augstein and it doesn't sound very interesting to people who don't know him (indeed, I hadn't heard about him before reading the hook, although looking it up it appears that he founded the well-known German magazine Der Spiegel, which I have heard of). It may be a good idea for ALT0 to be revised to remove the "controversial political themes" part and simply focus on the writing-the-biography part, while mentioning that Augstein was the founder of Der Spiegel, which is probably more well-known internationally or at least in Europe (I've suggest a possible wording below this comment). In any case, I think ALT1 is a somewhat better and more interesting hook since it has that historical angle to it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:51, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2
... that it took over four years for Peter Merseburger (pictured) to write a biography of Der Spiegel founder Rudolf Augstein?- Thank you for thinking about it. I sort of waited for this comment, and created the article about Panorama, so we can defer the controversial part (controversial in an eye-opening positive way) to a hook to come. I thought about mentioning the Alice Schwarzer controversy (one of many, showing his firm stance), but then thought that it should not be the only thing we mention. But it sure is the thing he is known for: being on the side of the student revolt on public television. (Just look at how much room de:Panorama (Magazin) devotes to the case (and other controversies in the series before and after him), and it's also mentioned in most obits.) I dropped the idea because he spent the last years of his life writing biographies, so thought he'd rather want to be known for that. Of the five people he covered in a biography (Schumacher, Brandt, Augstein, Heuss and himself), I chose Augstein for several reasons: 1) A. was most closely connected to M., 2) A. is the least-known of the subjects so should be the most interesting (imho, in a section that expects "no" to the question did you know?), 3) M. was awarded a prize for this specific bio, 4) the article covers his method of writing for that bio because we have a good source, 5) M. had the privilege to look at the correspondence (first journalist ever) which singles him out. - I struck ALT1 because the only thing we mention about a multi-faceted person there is that he was seemingly a slow writer. Der Spiegel: did you see how often it's linked as a reference on Wikipedia? Yes, people may mot know Augstein, but there's a link to find out. So, trying to please:
- ALT0a: ... that Peter Merseburger (pictured) wrote in four years a biography of Rudolf Augstein, the founder of Der Spiegel, based on correspondence and interviews? - The offer stands that we could do Willy Brandt instead, but I explained why I'd rather say the more unusual. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2
- I think my main issue with ALT0a is that I feel the "based on correspondence and interviews" part is redundant given that many biographies about people who were still alive when the biography was written tend to be based on just those things, Augstein's case isn't unusual. For me what stood out was how Augstein was the founder of a well-known magazine, hence why I thought the focus should have been on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- I couldn't fit the "was the first journalist permitted access to the correspondence" bit - which shows the trust in him - into the limited character. Could you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to just drop the correspondence idea. It's not central to the main hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'll think but have three articles with a deadline today. Just saying it took him four years still places him in the slow workers corner, so won't do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think a version of ALT0a which deletes the "based on correspondence and interviews" phrase but is otherwise identical would be a decent hook. The important hook fact here is that he interviewed the founder of one of Europe's most famous magazines, so the focus should be on that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- It would be a decent hook, but doesn't show that this was a fascinating multi-faceted personality. What about ALT1, btw?
- I think a version of ALT0a which deletes the "based on correspondence and interviews" phrase but is otherwise identical would be a decent hook. The important hook fact here is that he interviewed the founder of one of Europe's most famous magazines, so the focus should be on that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'll think but have three articles with a deadline today. Just saying it took him four years still places him in the slow workers corner, so won't do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think it would be better to just drop the correspondence idea. It's not central to the main hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- I couldn't fit the "was the first journalist permitted access to the correspondence" bit - which shows the trust in him - into the limited character. Could you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- I think my main issue with ALT0a is that I feel the "based on correspondence and interviews" part is redundant given that many biographies about people who were still alive when the biography was written tend to be based on just those things, Augstein's case isn't unusual. For me what stood out was how Augstein was the founder of a well-known magazine, hence why I thought the focus should have been on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:17, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that after a career as political journalist, Peter Merseburger wrote biographies of people he had met such as Rudolf Augstein, founder of Der Spiegel, and chancellor Willy Brandt (pictured)?
- ALT2 is a good hook! But is there a reason why it's Brandt that's pictured and not Merseburger himself? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- They are both pictured, but where place the thingy? The image illustrates his "political journalist" and "he had met" but how put it there when Brandt has not even been mentioned at that point? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I mean Merseburger is the subject so shouldn't the pictured be after him? There's probably a better way to write the "pictured" part here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- The key is that both are pictured. Could we say that after Brandt? If we place it only aafter M., people - used to reading images left to right - might be confused, recognizing Brandt instead. Isn't the image caption clear enough? We even discussed dropping the "pictured" when redundant. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- No reply?
- ALT2a: ... that after a career as political journalist, Peter Merseburger wrote biographies of people he had met such as chancellor Willy Brandt (both pictured), and Rudolf Augstein, founder of Der Spiegel? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- I mean Merseburger is the subject so shouldn't the pictured be after him? There's probably a better way to write the "pictured" part here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- They are both pictured, but where place the thingy? The image illustrates his "political journalist" and "he had met" but how put it there when Brandt has not even been mentioned at that point? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 20[edit]
Surajit Sengupta
- ... that Indian footballer Surajit Sengupta was called Sócrates given his beard and varied interests? Source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/sports/football/former-india-footballer-surajit-sengupta-dies-at-70-after-covid19-101645101863551.html
- ALT1: ... that Indian footballer Surajit Sengupta was called Sócrates, after the Brazilian footballer, given his beard and varied interests? Source: https://www.hindustantimes.com/sports/football/former-india-footballer-surajit-sengupta-dies-at-70-after-covid19-101645101863551.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pending
Created by Ktin (talk). Self-nominated at 17:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this, noting that it's a 5x expansion from [18] (rather than a new creation, as someone else did technically create it, albeit as a copyvio). The article is eligible as it has been on Recent Deaths on the front page, but not as a bold link on ITN
Article has been 5x expanded (309 characters here to 3025 characters currently), nominated in time (expansion started 20 February, nominated same day) and article is within policy. I moved a couple of the refs out of the lead to the body, and moved another couple around to show that they verify specific portions of text, but referencing all looks good to me now (AGF on the non-English source)
I think ALT1 is better, as most people would think of Socrates the philosopher not Sócrates the footballer (I did before reading ALT1, despite being a football fan). Hook is short enough, interesting, in the article and well cited
QPQ not yet done, and user has 63 previous DYK nominations. Ktin please can you provide a QPQ for this nomination?
Overall, article and hooks are fine, but QPQ needed before this can progress. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 21[edit]
Royce Clayton
- ... that Royce Clayton (pictured) idolized Ozzie Smith, the shortstop for the St. Louis Cardinals, as an amateur and took his job as a professional? Source: [19]
- ALT1: ... that Royce Clayton (pictured) portrayed fellow shortstop Miguel Tejada in the 2011 film Moneyball? Source: [20]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nintendo Switch Sports
- Comment: This began at 2396 B and is now over
12kb17kb. If DYKcheck doesn't recognize it, it's likely because of this vandalism. - Now passed as a GA. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 19:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC).
Germaine Bailac
- ... that Germaine Bailac (pictured) created in 1911 the role of Phenice in Déjanire, the last opera by Camille Saint-Saëns, at the Opéra de Monte-Carlo? Source: [21]
- Reviewed:
to come - Comment: would be nice pictured in March
- Reviewed:
Created by Ipigott (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: The article itself doesn't mention that she created the role, and the fact itself needs to be within the body of the article as I recall, so that should be rectified. A really interesting potential ALT within the article is that she played the character of Carmen 3000 times, which is really interesting in itself! Ornithoptera (talk) 02:35, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: - I added the hook fact explicitly. Could this make International Women's day? Victuallers (talk) 10:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- "creating a role" is short (and professional language) for "performing a role in the world premiere" whch is needlessly long for the few characters we have here. - The critic said "qui en a fait une création vraiment remarquable" (a truly remarcable creation), which we could quote in French also if needed. Victuallers, could you perhaps do that? - I am not sure about the reliability of the Carmen source, on top of having mentioned Carmen many more times on DYK than this last opera. I also believe that mere quantity is not "really interesting" to me. - Better pictured any day in March than no pic on IWD, if you ask me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- Isn't "creating a role" technically jargon then? Most people outside of opera may not understand that sense of the word and it would be better to use a more broadly understandable word in this case. And I agree with Ornithoptera that her playing the same role thousands of times is very interesting to a broad audience. How about:
- ALT1 ... that French mezzo-soprano Germaine Bailac (pictured) played the title role in Bizet's Carmen at least 3,000 times?
- This isn't technically a pure role hook because, while it does start with "performer played X role in Y", it adds additional context that makes said performance more quirky or eyecatching. Her playing Carmen by itself would not really be a good hook, but mentioning that she performed the role over 3,000 times would let readers realize how impressive her career was. The original hook is very niche, Ornithoptera's suggestion is far more broadly appealing. Remember that when we write hooks we write for our readers, not for ourselves. We target what could be interesting to people other than us, not just ourselves. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Did you even read the above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did and I would personally disagree. The term "created" is jargon and needs to be clarified, and her performing a role 3,000 times is a more broadly interesting fact than her being the first person to play Phenice (a role most people have probably never heard of, unlike Carmen in which most people are likely to have at least heard of the opera). Her playing the role 3,000 times may not seem significant to you but to anyone who's unfamiliar with opera they would find it impressive and a great show of her talent and experience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- All it shows is that she was a hard worker, and willing to perform at mediocre places in the provinces in a crowd-pleasing role. I have no time to argue now. My mind is on Prayer for Ukraine. You could do me a favour if you wouldn't interfer with the reviews of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- In any case the original hook's wording probably shouldn't be used due to the "create" wording. Perhaps this wording works better? It would be more immediately understandable to an interested reader.
- ALT0a:
... that Germaine Bailac (pictured) played the role of Phenice during the 1911 world premiere of Camill Saint-Saëns's last opera Déjanire?
- ALT0a:
- I removed the mention of the theater since the central hook fact here is Bailac playing the role at the world premiere and mentioning the theater's name seemed superfluous. I'm not convinced that this particular hook fact is the best option for this article, but if consensus decides that it's the path forward then it would be better to have a less jargony hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't agree, twice. "to create a role" isn't jargon but the professional term. In Portal:Opera/DYK/Did you know?, I find it 20 times, and I don't remember any complaints on ERRORS. But if people want it clumsy, here you go (opera singers don't just "play", or "sing", as they do both, the "perform" or "appear")
- ALT0a: ... that in 1911, Germaine Bailac (pictured) appeared in Monte-Carlo in the world premiere of Déjanire, the last opera by Saint-Saëns?
- I believe that many readers will find Monte-Carlo interesting, and the pic is from a glamour magazine there. I thought we should mention the role to not make people think it was the title role, but that's the first thing to be dropped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria Rojas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- In any case the original hook's wording probably shouldn't be used due to the "create" wording. Perhaps this wording works better? It would be more immediately understandable to an interested reader.
- All it shows is that she was a hard worker, and willing to perform at mediocre places in the provinces in a crowd-pleasing role. I have no time to argue now. My mind is on Prayer for Ukraine. You could do me a favour if you wouldn't interfer with the reviews of others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did and I would personally disagree. The term "created" is jargon and needs to be clarified, and her performing a role 3,000 times is a more broadly interesting fact than her being the first person to play Phenice (a role most people have probably never heard of, unlike Carmen in which most people are likely to have at least heard of the opera). Her playing the role 3,000 times may not seem significant to you but to anyone who's unfamiliar with opera they would find it impressive and a great show of her talent and experience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Did you even read the above? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Isn't "creating a role" technically jargon then? Most people outside of opera may not understand that sense of the word and it would be better to use a more broadly understandable word in this case. And I agree with Ornithoptera that her playing the same role thousands of times is very interesting to a broad audience. How about:
This nomination needs a full review, since one has never been done. Flibirigit (talk) 17:51, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 23[edit]
Indigo Swing
- ... that Indigo Swing was high energy? Source: see footnotes 3 and 4 in article
Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 12:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- The hook is is interesting but confusing without context of what Indigo Swing is
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Propose the hook has more context. Eg. ... that Indigo Swing played high energy music? (My first time doing a review by the way). Please adjust or propose an alternative. Pakoire (talk) 04:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Pakoire: Thanks very much for doing the review. I tend to favor mysterious hooks as a way of luring the main page reader into clicking through to the article. But other reviewers, not just you, have thought that I sometimes go overboard on this. So here are some alternatives:
- ALT1: ... that Indigo Swing played high energy music? [your suggestion]
- ALT2: ... that Indigo Swing played the music denoted by its name with high energy?
- ALT3: ... that Indigo Swing had its genre in its name?
- ALT4: ... that Indigo Swing had the musical genre it played in its name?
- See what you think of these. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:25, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Wasted Time R: Yes mysterious can be a good hook. You could use ALT3 for this purpose. Or use ALT1. I am not sure which would generate more views, I favour hooks that to get viewers who might read the whole article and perhaps look at some of the links too. I think the other Alt's are not so strong. Maybe Alt 3 could be Alt3.1 ... that Indigo Swing had their genre in their name? As a version which is more humanised? Pakoire (talk) 20:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- I may have goofed the grammar, same with ALT4. So:
- ALT3a: ... that Indigo Swing had their genre in their name?
- ALT4a: ... that Indigo Swing had the musical genre they played in their name?
- Any of these are okay with me. And at the end of the day, it's the DYK promoter who will decide which hook to use. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- As a new reviewer I have reached out to a contact to clarify two points for me in my process - how to 'sign it off', and if your QPQ is completed enough to count? Also my favoured hook is my adaption of your first hook - but then I am not sure if I can approve it because I participated in creating it? Do we need to request a second reviewer? My contact hasn't got back to me yet. Sorry for the delay. Pakoire (talk) 07:51, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I may have goofed the grammar, same with ALT4. So:
REI worker organization
- ... that on January 21, 2022, 115 REI union organizers at the outdoor recreation store REI in New York City petitioned for the retailer's first ever union vote? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/23/business/economy/rei-union-manhattan-store.html
Created by SquareInARoundHole (talk). Self-nominated at 16:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC).
- Update based on news: ALT1: ... that on March 2, 2022, REI union in New York City became the outdoor recreation store REI's first ever union? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/business/rei-union-new-york.html
Gott liebt diese Welt
- ... that all stanzas of the song "Gott liebt diese Welt" begin with this line, sending the message that God loves this world to young Christians in Mecklenburg after the Berlin Wall was built? Source: several
- Reviewed: Navy Wife (1935 film)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 23 February 2022 (UTC).
The Incredible Hulk (Nintendo DS video game)
- ... that the destructible environment effects in The Incredible Hulk were so extensive that two additional artists were added over the game's development? Source: "Because the environmental art demands were far more than we anticipated, we had to add two additional artists to the backgrounds from alpha till the end." -Game Developer
Improved to Good Article status by Cat's Tuxedo (talk). Self-nominated at 18:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment If I could offer a suggestion, maybe "... that The Incredible Hulk used the GameMaker engine during development despite it not officially supporting the Nintendo DS or fully destructible environments?" I find that more interesting from a "huh, that's kinda neat" perspective. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:06, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: Probably, though that exact statement isn't made anywhere within the article or source from what I can see, and it feels a bit technical for something that's intended to catch more casual eyes. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 17:13, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Stray cow
- ... that the local farmers released hundreds of cattle at the venue for an election rally in India to highlight the menace of the stray cows in the area.Source: "Farmers in Uttar Pradesh's Barabanki, just 40 km from Lucknow, reportedly released hundreds of cattle at an open ground near the venue of a rally by Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath earlier today to highlight the stray cattle menace in their area."NDTV
- ALT1 ... that deadly attacks by stray cows was an election issue in India? Source: "Uttar Pradesh: Why deadly cow attacks are an issue in Indian state election". BBC News. 25 January 2022. Retrieved 23 February 2022.
- ALT2 ... that India had spent ₹5.8 billion (US$77 million) on shelters for stray cows in between the years 2014 and 2016. Source: "India has spent 5.8 billion rupees on cow sheds since 2014" July 17, 2016, "Cow urine can sell for more than milk in India". Bloomberg.com. 2016-07-18. Retrieved 2016-09-18.
- ALT3 ... that the owner of a stray cow no longer claims ownership or its owner cannot be determined. Source: "Stray cattle means any animal of the bovine, ovine, porcine, or caprine species for which the owner is no longer claiming ownership or for which the owner cannot be determined, Lawinsider
- QPQ : Exempt
- Comment: Will think of more ALTs and add.
Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 11:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- It needs some copyediting
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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Overall: The article is new enough, long enough and looks to be well sourced. It looks like qpq is not required, and there's no copyvio on earwig. All of the hooks are cited and interesting (I made a minor word tweak to ALT1). The pic is free and in the article, but its a bit crowded at 100px, so a different picture might be better. The only other issue is that it needs some minor copyediting for neutrality and grammar. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
Asking for a second review since I've made significant edits to the page (mostly to work on grammar, neutrality, etc). BuySomeApples (talk) 23:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- BuySomeApples, I have added the pics in the order of my preference and 100px to make it easier for the reviewer to choose. Caption is in the article. I had used the pic of crowded street to show the dangerous situation, when the animal can turn on the crowd at any moment, and they do infarct turn on the people nearby, depending on mood swings. If the pic is not clear at 100px, I am fine with choosing other pics. Your copy edits have been very helpful. I hope that it has fixed the neutrality issue you had pointed. Venkat TL (talk) 08:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you @Venkat TL: I think either of the top 2 pics would work fine. Once a second reviewer OKs the page this should be ready to go. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- BuySomeApples, I have added the pics in the order of my preference and 100px to make it easier for the reviewer to choose. Caption is in the article. I had used the pic of crowded street to show the dangerous situation, when the animal can turn on the crowd at any moment, and they do infarct turn on the people nearby, depending on mood swings. If the pic is not clear at 100px, I am fine with choosing other pics. Your copy edits have been very helpful. I hope that it has fixed the neutrality issue you had pointed. Venkat TL (talk) 08:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 24[edit]
Carol Van Strum
- ... that Carol Van Strum is an environmental activist whose work led to the cancellation of all 2,4,5-T registrations by the EPA? Source: [22]
- ALT1: ... that Carol Van Strum is an environmental activist who kept more than 20,000 documents in her barn, revealing corporate and government cover-ups? Source: [23] and [24]
- Comment: QPQ not required as this is author's first article and DYK nomination
Created by Balance person (talk). Nominated by Michael D. Turnbull (talk) at 22:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC).
- comment only - Interesting woman. Need to check tone and refs. "fraudulent or nonexistent studies, and decisions to continue marketing known carcinogens, mutagens and teratogens" may be true but we need a rock solid ref to note who says these things. ) 10:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Interesting life, on fine sources, welcome to DYK, Balance person! As Victuallers noticed, some references are missing, and the line mentioned above is not supported by the source given. Is it in a different one, or what did I miss. In the first hook, I don't like the abbreviation, which my tell the general reader nothing. I like the title of her book. ALT1: the sheer number is impressive, but is it interesting enough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- GerdaArendt talk Thank you and Victuallers for the time you took to read about CVS and for your welcome. I have added a citation for the half-life bit. I have added a hedge, namely the phrase... it is said...before the part that is hard to prove because it involves reading and quoting many legal papers. Forgive my inexperience if the hedge is not enough. I am happy to learn.
- ALT2: ... that Carol Van Strum is an environmental activist, author of A Bitter Fog, who kept more than 20,000 documents in her barn, for more than 40 years, revealing corporate and government cover-ups? Source: [25] and [26] Balance person (talk) 14:11, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, - I'll look but not today. Well get there! What I like about her book is the full title which tells us what her focus is, - just the first half is a bit foggy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- GerdaArendt talk Thank you and Victuallers for the time you took to read about CVS and for your welcome. I have added a citation for the half-life bit. I have added a hedge, namely the phrase... it is said...before the part that is hard to prove because it involves reading and quoting many legal papers. Forgive my inexperience if the hedge is not enough. I am happy to learn.
Battle of Snake Island
- ... that when a Russian warship asked the Ukrainian defenders of Snake Island to surrender, their response was "Go fuck yourself, Russian warship"? Source: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/ukraine-russia-snake-island-attack-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
Created by Elijahandskip (talk), PanNostraticism (talk), and NHCLS (talk). Nominated by Volunteer Marek (talk) at 07:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC).
Maybe we need a holding section for Russian and Ukraine hooks until all this blows over. Kingsif (talk) 09:26, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure what that means. Volunteer Marek 10:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- That DYK doesn't post anything that could be deemed "current", which this is, but rather than say no outright, we could almost put it in reserve to be used sometime after if you want. Kingsif (talk) 11:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- There’s no requirement in DYK that featured articles must be on “old stuff”. It seems the article fully meets all the criteria. Volunteer Marek 19:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, but there is a requirement that they be stable and that posting them to the MP is not likely to be perceived as a violation of Wikipedia's neutrality. Things this is far from meeting, in quite obvious ways. Kingsif (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Is there any indication that the article is not stable? And if your concern is neutrality, then please state which parts are non-neutral, rather than bringing up irrelevant non-criteria (like "it's new"). Volunteer Marek 22:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did not say it is new, I said it is current, that is very different. Surely you have heard of "current events" at some point. And I did not say any part of the article was not-neutral, I indirectly said that posting a hook about it could
be perceived as a violation of Wikipedia's neutrality
. Surely you can comprehend that putting a nominative resistance slogan of one side in a current war on the front page of a website claiming neutrality (no support for either) could give the opposite impression? I cannot take your continued "but"s seriously, there is nothing hard-to-grasp here, especially if you try to undermine my explanations by misquoting them. Kingsif (talk) 22:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)- Ignoring your condescension (you obviously knew exactly what I was referring to), no, putting an article on a widely covered event does not violate Wikpedia's neutrality (whether it can be "perceived" as such by somebody is irrelevant). This is also a new argument you're making - your original one was that it couldn't be used because it was on... "current" (better?) events. You're moving the goalposts now and inventing new excuses. Volunteer Marek 00:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- I still don't know what you're on about, and no, being "current" (you know, the banner at the top of the article) is still my argument, I have just had to waste far too long over-explaining that to someone who has decided they will refuse to get the point so they can ignore reasonable objection. A current article, which if you don't know what that means you should certainly not be editing or nominating one for DYK, is inherently unstable and inherently contentious. ITN gives a neutral blurb, but doing any more than that is unwise. There are multiple facets as to why, which I tried to explain, unfortunately to someone who has decided they will trip over the simple word "current" and claim boo changing arguments and that's wrong rather than actually respond (spoiler: even if someone did in fact change argument, that would just mean multiple reasons to not post this, and you would have to counter all of them, rather than say they can be ignored for providing multiple reasons). If anyone here is being disingenuous it is certainly you. Kingsif (talk) 08:20, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ay, again with the condescension, apparently intended to obscure the fact that nothing you say has any basis in policy. Look. I've been here about 12 years longer than you, and I stopped counting my DYKs after the 100th one. There's absolutely nothing in the criteria or in any policy that says that "current" articles are "inherently unstable". In fact this article has been pretty stable, aside from some minor changes and improvements. But this isn't actually what seems to bother you. As you you kind of let it slip above, the real concerns appears to be that this article isn't "neutral". Because... .... ... ? Apparently because reality isn't "neutral", the way you want it. This happened. It's notable. It's covered in a plethora of reliable sources. It's got a catchy hook. It's long enough. It's new. It satisfies all the DYK criteria. Your only objection here boils down to a WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. I'd appreciate it if you just dropped it and let someone else review it. Volunteer Marek 09:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Dude, I have said my piece, and your presumed seniority is still not a valid response. I am not condescending you, I am trying to make the issues you refuse to see so obvious you cannot deny them - no, you just ignore them, ugh. If you were to tweet "did you know Ukrainian border guards told the Russians to go fuck themselves", people would assume you supported Ukraine quite strongly. The DYK hook does not need to be phrased like that, but posting during a time of explicit tension between the nations (i.e. the subject is current!) is just not helpful. DYKs, of which I am no more novice than you, buddy, have been refused for less. As an additional element, I must sadly inform you that having a current banner is indeed inherent (at least, assumed) instability, in that it is one reason to fail a GAN on stability grounds. It is not that I don't like anything; I have been working on the article as much as you and would like to see it recognised. No, I am trying to protect the DYK section. It is so useful to encouraging editing but often disparaged and any scandal could get some MP editors to more firmly suggest removing it for a full-column TFA. Nothing I have pointed out is baseless or unreasonable, and I have to assume from your latest reply that your actual opposition is because of some superiority you feel here, so you will just reject every valid argument in nonsense ways. Best to drop the stick and wait for someone else to chime in. Kingsif (talk) 09:53, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ay, again with the condescension, apparently intended to obscure the fact that nothing you say has any basis in policy. Look. I've been here about 12 years longer than you, and I stopped counting my DYKs after the 100th one. There's absolutely nothing in the criteria or in any policy that says that "current" articles are "inherently unstable". In fact this article has been pretty stable, aside from some minor changes and improvements. But this isn't actually what seems to bother you. As you you kind of let it slip above, the real concerns appears to be that this article isn't "neutral". Because... .... ... ? Apparently because reality isn't "neutral", the way you want it. This happened. It's notable. It's covered in a plethora of reliable sources. It's got a catchy hook. It's long enough. It's new. It satisfies all the DYK criteria. Your only objection here boils down to a WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT. I'd appreciate it if you just dropped it and let someone else review it. Volunteer Marek 09:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- I still don't know what you're on about, and no, being "current" (you know, the banner at the top of the article) is still my argument, I have just had to waste far too long over-explaining that to someone who has decided they will refuse to get the point so they can ignore reasonable objection. A current article, which if you don't know what that means you should certainly not be editing or nominating one for DYK, is inherently unstable and inherently contentious. ITN gives a neutral blurb, but doing any more than that is unwise. There are multiple facets as to why, which I tried to explain, unfortunately to someone who has decided they will trip over the simple word "current" and claim boo changing arguments and that's wrong rather than actually respond (spoiler: even if someone did in fact change argument, that would just mean multiple reasons to not post this, and you would have to counter all of them, rather than say they can be ignored for providing multiple reasons). If anyone here is being disingenuous it is certainly you. Kingsif (talk) 08:20, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Ignoring your condescension (you obviously knew exactly what I was referring to), no, putting an article on a widely covered event does not violate Wikpedia's neutrality (whether it can be "perceived" as such by somebody is irrelevant). This is also a new argument you're making - your original one was that it couldn't be used because it was on... "current" (better?) events. You're moving the goalposts now and inventing new excuses. Volunteer Marek 00:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- I did not say it is new, I said it is current, that is very different. Surely you have heard of "current events" at some point. And I did not say any part of the article was not-neutral, I indirectly said that posting a hook about it could
- Is there any indication that the article is not stable? And if your concern is neutrality, then please state which parts are non-neutral, rather than bringing up irrelevant non-criteria (like "it's new"). Volunteer Marek 22:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, but there is a requirement that they be stable and that posting them to the MP is not likely to be perceived as a violation of Wikipedia's neutrality. Things this is far from meeting, in quite obvious ways. Kingsif (talk) 21:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- There’s no requirement in DYK that featured articles must be on “old stuff”. It seems the article fully meets all the criteria. Volunteer Marek 19:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- That DYK doesn't post anything that could be deemed "current", which this is, but rather than say no outright, we could almost put it in reserve to be used sometime after if you want. Kingsif (talk) 11:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure what that means. Volunteer Marek 10:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Disagree/Oppose. While the Ukrainians guards were brave, this is a small part of a much bigger conflict. I also agree with Volunteer Marek. Tetizeraz - (talk page) 15:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- ”Disagree” is not the way that DYK process works. The question is does it satisfy the DYK criteria? Volunteer Marek 19:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Note: title changed to Attack on Snake Island. Volunteer Marek 22:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: @Volunteer Marek: Unless I'm missing something, I think this needs a QPQ? Also noting I de-dab'd the link to Ukraine, added a link to Russia (we should link to both countries or neither; either linking both or linking neither would be fine), and updated the link to the Snake Island article now that it's been moved and bolded it.
{{Current}} is not one of the WP:DISPUTETAGs, and so is no reason to reject the nom.
Stability isn't a DYK requirement, but even if it were, this article shows no recent signs of edit warring or instability.
I see no problems with the neutrality of the hook: stating the mere fact of the soldiers' response ("GFY") doesn't imply, in my view, any support of the soldiers on the part of Wikipedia. By comparison, we have right now these hooks on the main page:
- "... that Bianca Baptiste was Tottenham Hotspur's top goal scorer during their promotion—and then they dropped her from the team?", which doesn't imply that Wikipedia is saying in its own voice that she should not have been dropped from the team.
- "... that the Louis Micheels House was called a building of "great significance", but the new owners wanted it gone?" doesn't imply that Wikipedia is saying it disagrees with the owners.
- "... that the captain of the warship CSS Baltic stated that she was "about as fit to go into action as a mud scow"?" isn't anti-CSS Baltic or imply any criticism of the warship by Wikipedia.
These are three hooks on the main page right now, but the archive is filled with such examples. I don't see ALT0 as pro-Ukraine or anti-Russia; it's simply relaying a verified and interesting fact.
Add a QPQ link and ping me and I'll give it the green checkmark. If any editor disagrees at that point, I think WT:DYK would be the place to resolve the disagreement. Levivich 04:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Levivich: You know your comparisons are making a false equivalency, right? The context and knowledge bases are not comparable (tensions heightened during actual war, readers care less about things they have not heard of before). But, even so (or perhaps as a more equal comparison*), a couple days ago we ran a hook about Demi Lovato getting into an internet feud, appended "- and lost", and Lovato's Twitter fans were not happy, thinking Wikipedia was choosing to be insulting. *If people who are aware of Demi Lovato did not like the perfectly neutral and factual account of their internet "war", how are people who are aware of Ukraine and Russia going to react to something about a very real war? I feel confident in saying that the twitterverse, at least, will react if this hook gets onto the main page any time soon. Maybe that won't have any affect on DYK, but maybe it will. I would like to be better safe than sorry. (I also disagree with your stability assessments, but let's cut to the chase: waiting until a war is over before shilling fun facts about it is just common sense.) Kingsif (talk) 19:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with Levivich and VolunteerMarek. The hook accurately and neutrally reports the response of the Ukrainian soldiers. It's a solid hook. Cbl62 (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is a fine DYK entry that meets all the requirements (except QPQ as the reviewer outlines). Lagrange613 19:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm really sorry about lack of QPQ. I got unexpectedly very busy in real life. I will try to complete it later today. Volunteer Marek 19:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Volunteer Marek and Lagrange613: I'm happy to provide a QPQ if needed :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 23:46, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm really sorry about lack of QPQ. I got unexpectedly very busy in real life. I will try to complete it later today. Volunteer Marek 19:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is a fine DYK entry that meets all the requirements (except QPQ as the reviewer outlines). Lagrange613 19:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Ladislaja Harnoncourt
- ... that Ladislaja Harnoncourt, born a Countess at Schloss Stainz, married a widower with two small children two months after he asked her? Source: her son's book, pages 107 to 108, for the story, several for her noble birth
- Reviewed: Ludwig Ferdinand Huber
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 24 February 2022 (UTC).
- Comment (not a review). I thought we were trying to clean out all of the minor-nobility-genealogy-cruft from the encyclopedia; why are we adding more? Is she known for anything other than being descended from famous people and mother to a couple more? —David Eppstein (talk) 05:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- I don't care about descent, but don't want to say this same thing in four biographies, of her sons, and hopefully her daughter to come some day. I believe that it clarifies the background of these four or five people, of whom at least two did unique things for the world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
A Cruel Angel's Thesis
- ... that lyricist Neko Oikawa wrote Neon Genesis Evangelion opening theme "A Cruel Angel's Thesis" in two hours? Source: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/01/08/a-cruel-angels-thesis-took-just-two-hours-to-write-says-evangelion-lyricist-neko-oikawa/
Improved to Good Article status by TeenAngels1234 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:20, 24 February 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Recent GA article meets length and sourcing requirements. Hook is cited and interesting. Earwig isn't picking up any copyvio except false positives. Once qpq is provided, this nom will be ready. BuySomeApples (talk) 02:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: Thank you. I tried to fill the quid pro quo with Template:Did you know nominations/Olena Stepaniv. Let me know.TeenAngels1234 (talk) 14:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 25[edit]
Kuzych v White
- ... that in the 1951 court case, Kuzych v White, on appeal from the British Columbia Court of Appeal, five law lords of the British Judicial Committee ruled in favour of a Communist-led trade union? Source: Mark Leier, "Dissent, Democracy, and Discipline: The Case of Kuzych v White", p. 131, in Judy Fudge and Eric Tucker, Work on Trial: Canadian Labour Law Struggles (Toronto: Osgoode Society, 2010)
- ALT1: ... that in the Canadian court case, Kuzych v White, Myron Kuzych challenged a Communist-led trade union because it was not radical enough in fighting the employer for the rights of union members? Source: Mark Leier, "Dissent, Democracy, and Discipline: The Case of Kuzych v White", pp. 123, 135, in Judy Fudge and Eric Tucker, Work on Trial: Canadian Labour Law Struggles (Toronto: Osgoode Society, 2010)
- ALT2: ... that in a Canadian court case, Kuzych v White, a trade union argued that its own closed shop policy was in restraint of trade, so it could not be sued for breach of contract by a union member? Source: Mark Leier, "Dissent, Democracy, and Discipline: The Case of Kuzych v White", p. 125-127, in Judy Fudge and Eric Tucker, Work on Trial: Canadian Labour Law Struggles (Toronto: Osgoode Society, 2010)
- Reviewed: Exempt
Created by Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC).
- Query: do the quote marks for bold and italics count as characters in the character count? They seemed to me to do so, unlike the [[ ]] and pipes, which did not count as characters. Formatting shouldn't count as characters, I would think?
- No, because the characters are not counted from the edit box. Open this nomination template and look at the tools in the upper right hand side. Click on "Character Count". Then copy and paste your hook as it looks on the DYK listing, not as it looks in the edit window. The formatting quote marks don't show in that view, so not counted. — Maile (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I obviously didn't understand how it works. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:20, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, because the characters are not counted from the edit box. Open this nomination template and look at the tools in the upper right hand side. Click on "Character Count". Then copy and paste your hook as it looks on the DYK listing, not as it looks in the edit window. The formatting quote marks don't show in that view, so not counted. — Maile (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Kyiv Offensive (2022)
- ... that on the first day of Russia's 2022 Kyiv Offensive, the U.S. secretary of defense announced that Russian troops had advanced to within 20 miles of Kyiv? Source: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-attack-a05e7c4563ac94b963134bba83187d46
- ALT1: ... that Russian troops entered Kyiv on the second day of the Kyiv Offensive during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine? Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/vladimir-putin-invades-kiev-ukraine-war-boris-johnson-nato-b984633.html
- Comment: I do not yet have 5 DYK credits, so no QPQ required yet.
Created by Mhawk10 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC).
- I'd like to express fundamental concern that the topic is inherently unstable and unready for DYK. As I outlined in 2022 Hijab row in Karnataka and others in Battle of Snake Island, high-tension current events where passions are inflamed around the world and much is still unsettled are poor fits to ensure that they can be placed on the Main Page while remaining faithful to DYK standards and neutral. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:50, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- I kind of agree. Right now the page even has a tag to that effect, and there's a discussion going on about whether it should be moved to a different title. At best, any news would be WAAY out of date by the time the hook is approved. This article will also indefinitely reach GA status in the future, so I'd say that a re-nom once the page stabilizes is inevitable. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
any news would be WAAY out of date by the time the hook is approved
this isn't WP:ITN; the hooks above are well cited and meet all the hook criteria. I believe that the page can be kept in line with the quality of a DYK-level page for the duration of it being on the main page, especially with it being ECP'd. — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I also agree with this sentiment. This is an ongoing event. It's great that there's confidence that the page will be kept high quality as it proceeds, that's good, but it means that whatever form of the article is reviewed at DYK won't match what is actually on the main page a week later. More generally, even if this was on an event that had concluded - new information can come out that can drastically shift interpretation. See Jessica Lynch for one famous example. I don't think this is in DYK scope, unfortunately (nor almost any ongoing battle). SnowFire (talk) 06:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- I kind of agree. Right now the page even has a tag to that effect, and there's a discussion going on about whether it should be moved to a different title. At best, any news would be WAAY out of date by the time the hook is approved. This article will also indefinitely reach GA status in the future, so I'd say that a re-nom once the page stabilizes is inevitable. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 26[edit]
Cathedral of the Nativity of Our Lord, Upper Clapton
- ... that though the building's stained glass has been described in sexist terms, the longest serving incumbent of the building originally known as the Church of the Ark of the Covenant was a woman? Source: https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1235310?section=official-list-entry https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2010/10-september/news/uk/court-rules-ancient-church-is-defunct
- ALT1: ... that the Cathedral of the Nativity of Our Lord, London's only Georgian Cathedral is Victorian?
Moved to mainspace by WereSpielChequers (talk). Self-nominated at 11:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC).
Male Fantasy
- ... that Billie Eilish associates light blue color with "Male Fantasy"? Source: https://archive.today/20210810171327/https://insta-stories.online/billieeilish
- ALT1: ... that Billie Eilish directed and edited video of "Male Fantasy" by herself? Source: https://pitchfork.com/news/watch-billie-eilish-new-video-for-male-fantasy/
Improved to Good Article status by Infsai (talk). Self-nominated at 10:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC).
I'm not entirely sure if either of these hooks are interesting enough for a DYK. The alternative is more interesting than the first but I'm wondering if there are another facts about the article to suggest? GamerPro64 01:50, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Mitchell Fisher
- ... that decades after resigning from his pulpit, rabbi Mitchell Fisher published a book titled Rebel, O Jews! And Other Prayers?
- ALT1: ... that rabbi Mitchell Fisher described Prohibition as a "national curse"?
- ALT2: ... that after resigning from his position as a rabbi and criticizing the disconnect between preachers and everyday issues, Mitchell Fisher worked as a lawyer for the New York Board of Rabbis?
- Reviewed: WLVI
Created by Ezlev (talk). Self-nominated at 21:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC).
Will run this by the checklist once you've reviewed something. Ping me! Kingoflettuce (talk) 01:39, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's new and long enough, properly referenced, with a selection of interesting hooks. Think I like ALT1 most. Kingoflettuce (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Kingoflettuce! QPQ added. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 19:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 27[edit]
Raptor persecution
- ... that in Scotland the common raven is given honorary raptor status as a bird of prey? Source: https://www.scottishraptorstudygroup.org/scottish-raptor-monitoring-scheme/
- Comment: I hope this is suitable.
Created by Melissa Highton (talk). Self-nominated at 10:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
Melissa Highton, the hook needs to have wikilinks (at least one) and the link to the target article, Raptor persecution, needs to be in bold font. If you want to have quote marks in the hook, you need to use proper quotation marks. With regards to the hook fact, it's the Scottish Raptor Study Group that assigns the honorary raptor status. To me, it's a bit far-fetched to thus say "that in Scotland, the common raven is given" this status. Beyond that, the article is new, long enough, suitably referenced, neutral. The sentence "Wind turbines are an increasing feature in rural areas and raptors have been struck or killed by the circling blades." is word-for-word from this source and needs to be reworded. The sentence "... the common raven is given 'honorary raptor ' status as a bird of prey by virtue of its ecological similarity to raptors" is also too close to this source, where it reads: "Because of its ecological similarity to raptors, the common raven is given honorary status as a bird of prey". It seems this is your third DYK so no PQP is required. Schwede66 21:33, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Lloyd Madden
- ... that after leading college football in scoring, Lloyd Madden played one season of pro football and earned enough to finish school, pay all his debts and have money in the bank? Source: Here: "The former Oredigger star earned enough moeny the last season to finish school, pay all his debts and have money in the bank."
- Reviewed: TBD
5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC).
Needs QPQ. Hook is not mentioned in the article anywhere with regards to the debt and have money in the bank. Even if it were included in the article word for word, it too closely paraphrases the source and the source isn't in the public domain, so that's not OK. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 28[edit]
Correspondence of Paul and Seneca
- ... that the Correspondence of Paul and Seneca was cited in the Middle Ages to claim that the Roman philosopher of Stoicism Seneca had converted to Christianity? Source: "Paul and Seneca in Dialogue", p. 30/31. (Offline book, but... you can see snatches from GBooks preview here.
- ALT1: ... that English Bishop J. B. Lightfoot called the Correspondence of Paul and Seneca, a set of letters purportedly between the Apostle Paul and Seneca, "inane and unworthy throughout"? Source: Dissertations on the Apostolic Age, page 318/319
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1962 Isly massacre
- Comment: Main hook is a bit more boring but also more informative for readers who might not recognize Seneca. ALT1 is punchier, but "work gets scathing review" might not be unusual enough.
5x expanded by SnowFire (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 5 March 2022 (UTC).
- I'll review this one.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you very much for this really interesting article. But I still I have some suggestions and questions. In the scholar section the first phrase mentions Scholars almost universally believe the correspondence to be forged. Who then believes it is not forged? Otherwise I'd add a Today before the phrase or remove the first (and also unsourced) phrase in the scholar section. Then how about linking to Sotion, if not, why not? And does the Hine p.26 citation also source the phrases before? I found a source for some phrases, but I guess it isn't as prominent as yours. Then I'd also include the content in the lead; like the 8 and 6 letters between 58 - 64 in the body and add a source for it. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- That sentence is sourced, just maybe less clearly than it could be - it's sourced by later references in the paragraph. I'll add a reference next to the sentence directly. For the "Today" bit, as best I can tell scholars changed their opinion pretty quickly after Erasmus turned on the letters, so I wouldn't want to imply that it's only recently there's been a shift. I didn't go into detail because as best I can tell, the modern experts think that the people who advocated legitimacy are marginal and irrelevant (or else massively out of date). The fact there are a few dissenters is solely mentioned in footnotes and both Ehrman's book and the "Paul and Seneca in dialogue" book, and both unsubtly hint that this might be colored by nationalistic bias - Ehrman writes ""Only very few scholars, most of them Italian, have thought it possible that parts of the correspondence are authentic", but the citation, to a work by Ilaria Ramelli (who herself think they're apocryphal), is to a work in Italian I can't read and don't have access to. I can dig up the footnote in a few days in the "Paul and Seneca" in dialogue if you want what little is there since I believe a name of an actual supporter was mentioned there - I just didn't (and still don't) want to highlight what appears to be a fringe view that wasn't considered very important in the sources that do cover it, the 1 academic who thought it was legit vs. 1000 who think it's a forgery.
- For Sotion (Pythagorean), eh, it's a matter of wikilinking style. I don't think it's a high value link because Sotion isn't important in the context of the correspondence - it's just a side mention in Jerome's brief biography. That said, it's not like it's a problematic link either. Feel free to add it yourself if you think it'd help, I'm just personally inclined to avoid too many side-topic wikilinks (same with Lucan).
- For the first paragraph on content, the whole thing is sourced to both Hine & Ehrman (2003/2012) - they don't really say anything of note differently. I can double-check if you want or add in more repeat citations if required, just didn't want to overcite. (Just might have to wait for Tuesday for me to check the Paul & Seneca book with the Hine section back out again.) SnowFire (talk) 03:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Judy Ann Santos filmography
- ... that Ploning and Mindanao, films starring Judy Ann Santos (pictured), were submissions for Best International Feature Film at the 81st and 93rd Academy Awards, respectively? Source: Santiago, Erwin (January 17, 2009). ""Ploning" fails in its Oscar bid". Philippine Entertainment Portal. "Ploning, the Philippine entry to the Best Foreign Language Film category in this year's [81st] Oscar Awards"; Severo, Jan Milo (November 24, 2020) "Judy Ann Santos reacts to 'Mindanao' as Philippines' official Oscars 2021 entry. The Philippine Star. "War drama "Mindanao" has been chosen as the country's representative to the International Film Feature category of the 93rd Academy Awards."
- Comment: 2nd DYK nomination
5x expanded by Pseud 14 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:17, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
Moondog (1956 album), Moondog (1969 album)
- ... that after making Moondog, Moondog developed his worldview and fashion style before making Moondog? Source: Moondog: The Viking of 6th Avenue, chapter 4 ("In addition to new surroundings and forms, Moondog was encountering at about this time theories of art and ethics that influenced him substantially. ... When Moondog examined his own underpinnings, he saw that they did not provide satisfying answers.") & chapter 5 ("...the Viking dress that became his trademark did not evolve until the mid-1960s... The Viking's emergence ... was a splendid metamorphosis: in dress, from drab squares to color and costume; in philosophy, from cause consciousness to poetic myth; in music, from the percussive and the primitive to canonic form and sound saga."
- ALT1: ... that Moondog was released 13 years after Moondog's previous Moondog?
- ALT2: ... that Moondog made Moondog and Moondog?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sons of Neptune (campaign group) and Template:Did you know nominations/Frida Westman
- Comment: The 1969 album is 5x expanded, the 1956 album is newly created.
5x expanded by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
- We should think about this one, especially the ALTs, for April 1. Daniel Case (talk) 06:03, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
Needy Streamer Overload
- ... that the 2022 game Needy Streamer Overload allows the player to make a female livestreamer engage in psychoactive drug abuse? Source: https://www.everyeye.it/articoli/recensione-needy-streamer-overload-ispira-doki-doki-non-convince-56178.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1917 Kiev City Duma election
- Comment: Translation of Italian-language source used for the hook: "It is possible to make her become a drug addict to see her self-destruct live, it is possible to turn her into a nymphomaniac and push her to become a cam girl ready to sell her body, just as it is possible to drive her crazy by mixing drugs and internet conspiracy theories to the point of making her lose her mind." (Original text: È possibile farla diventare una tossicodipendente per vederla autodistruggersi in diretta, è possibile trasformarla in una ninfomane e spingerla a diventare una cam girl pronta a vendere il proprio corpo, così come è possibile farla impazzire mescolando farmaci e teorie complottiste internettiane al punto da farle perdere il senno.)
- ALT1 ... that the 2022 game Needy Streamer Overload draws influence from vaporwave aesthetics and PC-98 era pixel art? Source: https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/2201/21/news018.html
- Comment: Translation of Japanese-language source used for the ALT1 hook: "Interviewer: So first of all, let's discuss the appearance of the game... it has a strong impression of pixel art, did you come up with this style in mind from the beginning?
Nyalra: From the beginning, I knew I wanted to do pixel art. I thought of some PC-98 type 4:3 aspect ratio games and thought that this is what I want to do.
Interviewer: In the promotional videos, you can see visual effects like bugs and glitches. Was this also in the original concept?
Nyalra: Yes, I was thinking of incorporating something akin to vaporwave." (Original text: では、まずゲームの見た目の話からなんですけど……本作はドット絵の印象が強烈ですが、これは最初からイメージが決まっていた?
にゃるら:自分が最初からドット絵でやりたいなと思っていました。PC-98的な4:3比率のゲームをいくつか挙げて、こういうのやりたいなと。
PVなどを見るとバグやグリッチ(※)のような表現も見られるんですが、そういうのも最初からコンセプトの中にありましたか?
にゃるら:そうですね。ヴェイパーウェイヴ(※)的なものは取り入れようと思っていました。)
- Comment: Translation of Japanese-language source used for the ALT1 hook: "Interviewer: So first of all, let's discuss the appearance of the game... it has a strong impression of pixel art, did you come up with this style in mind from the beginning?
Created by Benlisquare (talk). Self-nominated at 05:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC).
Prayer for Ukraine
- ... that the chamber choir Oreya (pictured) chose the spiritual anthem Prayer for Ukraine, published in 1885, as the first track and title of their 2000 album? Source: several
- Reviewed: Peter Walker (dancer)
- Comment: This article expansion is the labour of love of many authors. I try one hook, biased of course as I took the picture which appeared already on DYK in 2016. I'd like to see Ukrainian people pictured, rather than a music sheet. It also shows them European but in folk appearance. -
As for expansion: we started at 660 characters, and at present (but I'm sure it will grow) are at 4196, but DYKcheck seems to look at an in-between version which had a text version presented as prose.The article is now expanded enough, and GA also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk), Микола Василечко (talk), and DanCherek (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 17:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC).
- alt 1: ... that Saturday Night Live on 26 February 2022 replaced its cold open with a Ukrainian chorus singing the hymn Prayer for Ukraine? Cbl62 (talk) 18:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, and sure more sensational. "hymn" is often understood as a church song, which would be right for this one but not enough, - perhaps no description? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Yes source. First track in album - TWENTY YEARS OF CREATION (2009) See link. --Микола Василечко
- Also album and first track - PRAYER FOR UKRAINE (2000) --Микола Василечко
- There's a related discussion on DYKTALK:
- ALT1a: ... that the 1885 spiritual anthem Prayer for Ukraine was performed by a choir from New York on Saturday Night Live? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
An absolutely beautiful piece. Article underwent a 6.4x expansion in the two days before nomination (and was promoted to Good Article status four days after nomination), and is long enough, sourced, neutral, and plagiarism-free. I'd recommend hedging
The anthem is sung at the end of meetings of
by throwing a "some" in there (unless it's not needed? The sourcing seems like it points to individual examples of these). ALT1a is verified to Variety, and it is cited inline and interesting. QPQ checks out. In short, this meets all of the DYK criteria :) unfortunately, I'm still placing this on hold pending the resolution of SL93's RfC. If there is consensus to run this hook, we'll be good to go with ALT1a! your virtual hugs have been received and appreciated :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:14, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
- Also album and first track - PRAYER FOR UKRAINE (2000) --Микола Василечко
Gloria Rojas
- ... that Gloria Rojas, one of the first Latina broadcast journalists in New York City, helped launch the career of Geraldo Rivera? Source: “ Gloria Rojas, who was billed as New York City’s first Latina broadcast journalist when she was hired by WCBS-TV in 1968, and who went on to work as a journalist for every major network affiliate in the city for 23 years”
“ In addition to being a trailblazer herself, Ms. Rojas was credited with helping to launch the broadcasting career of a 20-something antipoverty lawyer when she told him that WABC was seeking a bilingual reporter. In 1970, the station hired the young lawyer, Geraldo Rivera, who later became a national TV host and commentator.”
The New York Times
5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and 20chances (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 07:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC).
- comment hook says "first", source says "billed as first" and article says "one of the first"... Victuallers (talk) 19:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Just dropped a series of references and copyedits to this page. It needed both. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you both. I changed the hook slightly. Thriley (talk) 23:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Interesting life, fine expansion, on fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I am sorry not to know Rivera, but may be the only one. Willing to approve anyway if you want, or do you have something to say that is closer to her? - The article would profit from more lead and an infobox, but not necessary for approval. The fist sentences of early life mention her and her parents last name a bit too often for my taste, but same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 1[edit]
2022 British Indoor Athletics Championships
- ... that at the 2022 British Indoor Athletics Championships, Lorraine Ugen (pictured) equalled the championship long jump record? Source: [27]
- ALT1: ... that at the 2022 British Indoor Athletics Championships, 13 British athletes met the qualification standards for this year's world championships? Source: Day 1, 5 people: [28], Day 2, 8 people: [29] (sums to 13, summing is not WP:OR)
- ALT2 ... that days after the 2022 British Indoor Athletics Championships, 36 British athletes were selected for the 2022 World Athletics Indoor Championships? Source: [30] (first 33), [31] (3 more, explicitly mentions 36)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rut Castillo
- Comment: Other hook suggestions welcome
Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Interesting hooks, like the first one the best because the person pictured won her event and had a record in her event. No copyvios, well-sourced, no problems that I could find. Article written on March 1st, nominated for DYK? on March 2nd so passes that parameter as well. Shearonink (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
MV Millennial Spirit
- ... that the Russian crew of the MV Millennial Spirit were shelled and forced to abandon ship by a Russian warship? Source: "the Millennial Spirit, was carrying 600 tonnes of diesel at the time of the attack from a Russian military ship... Moldova's naval agency said the crew of the Millennial Spirit was Russian..." Reuters: Ukraine says two commercial ships hit by Russian missiles near Odessa port
- ALT1: ... that the tanker MV Millennial Spirit flew under a Moldovan flag, was crewed entirely by Russians, and was mistaken for a Romanian ship?
- Reviewed: Comtal
- Comment: Yes, this article is related to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. However, a few qualifiers: there is no rapidly changing information; the article has been very stable for the past 6 days since its creation (only a merge of a previous name of the ship_. The information in the article is non controversial and has been corroborated by numerous news sources. Additionally, the article is actually still notable even without the information about the recent shelling (see MV Frigg). I'd be open to holding the DYK for a few weeks (or even months), but I don't see enough information coming out to get the article to GA, and I wanted to nominate while still in the new-enough window. If this won't work I totally understand, but I figured I'd give it a shot because I personally think this article and story is very interesting.
Created by Fritzmann2002 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC).
Unfortunately, this is probably still gonna be on hold until the RfC resolves. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Christian Herwartz
- ... that Christian Herwartz SJ (pictured) was a worker-priest in France and co-founded a community in Berlin open to people in need regardless of nationality, faith and reason? Source: several
- ALT1: ... that Christian Herwartz SJ (pictured) lived in an open community in Berlin from 1978 to 2016, and held "street exercises" and peace prayers? Source: several
- Reviewed: Holocaust humor
- Comment: I am not sure that "community" is understood - Kommunität - housing in a few rooms with many beds each, open for all who need that - is there a better word?
- Check please Intentional community. Maybe it fits your need. CeeGee 11:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Created by MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment, I've made a cropped version of the image if you'd prefer to have just Herwartz in the picture. Panini! • 🥪 13:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, yes, that's more focused on him --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
1917 Baku City Duma election
- ... that Baku (today the capital of Azerbaijan) was the last major city to hold municipal elections in 1917 Russia, with the delayed voting occurring after the beginning of the October Revolution? Source: Rosenberg, W. G. (1969). The Russian Municipal Duma Elections of 1917: A Preliminary Computation of Returns. Soviet Studies, 21(2), 131–163.
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC).
John C. Young (college president)
![Portrait of John C. Young by John Sartain](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/John_C._Young_by_John_Sartain_%28cropped%29.jpg/126px-John_C._Young_by_John_Sartain_%28cropped%29.jpg)
... that John C. Young (pictured) increased the endowment of Centre College over five-fold during his term as president, which lasted nearly 27 years? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "At his death he had more than quintupled the college's endowment."- ALT1: ... that John C. Young (pictured) held the presidency of Centre College for nearly 27 years, longer than any other president in the school's history? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "'P. Roush,' long a student favorite, was the third-longest serving Centre president, after only John C. Young and Thomas Spragens."
ALT2: ... that John C. Young (pictured) taught logic and moral philosophy during his time as president of Centre College? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "In 1833, the faculty consisted of President Young as professor of logic and moral philosophy..."ALT3: ... that Centre College president John C. Young (pictured) was married twice, to the sister of a future vice president and to the daughter of a future governor? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "He came with his bride of one year, Frances Breckinridge, sister to John C. Breckinridge." AND "Two years later he married Cornelia Crittenden, daughter of Governor John Crittenden..."ALT4: ... that Centre College president John C. Young (pictured) was elected moderator of the Presbyterian Church (USA) General Session in 1853? Source: The Presbyterian: "The Rev. John C. Young, D.D., was elected Moderator, the nominations and votes having been as follows..."ALT5: ... that John C. Young (pictured) was offered the presidency of Centre College on the recommendation of Archibald Alexander? Source: CentreCyclopedia, "John C. Young, Centre College President": "There they spoke with Archibald Alexander at Princeton who advised them that "There is no man within my acquaintance better qualified for such a situation than John C. Young, who is already among you."- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Battle on the Irghiz River
- Comment: Lots of hooks, I know, but I couldn't decide. I've ordered them in my order of preference (ALT0 is my favorite, etc.), but it's up to whichever hook the reviewer likes best.
Created by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC).
- I'll take this one. Just give me a little time. Dwkaminski (talk) 15:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Promoted to Good Article status 3 days after DYK nomination - OK
- To me, Bibliography means publications that the person wrote. Can you edit this to Sources instead?
- Why is "struggling" highlighted with quotes in the intro and career sections?
- Reference does not support "regarded as Centre's best president" in legacy section
- The quote from the article is that he is
regarded as one of Centre's best presidents
, which appears in the reference in the following form:When Young died in office on June 23, 1857, Centre College lost one of its greatest presidents.
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:00, 14 March 2022 (UTC)- Since reference states "one of the greatest" - can we change to "one of Centre's best" instead of "best"? Dwkaminski (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Dwkaminski, apologies, as I might be confused, but I'm not sure what change you want to make; the article John C. Young (college president) references this twice, and uses the following wording:
He is regarded as one of Centre's best presidents, as he...
- located in the lead.Regarded as one of Centre's best presidents, Young's administration...
- located at the start of the second paragraph of the "Legacy" header.
- Dwkaminski, apologies, as I might be confused, but I'm not sure what change you want to make; the article John C. Young (college president) references this twice, and uses the following wording:
- Since reference states "one of the greatest" - can we change to "one of Centre's best" instead of "best"? Dwkaminski (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- The quote from the article is that he is
- At no point do I assert that Young is Centre's best president, and the two sentences listed above are the only places where the word "best" appears in the article, at present. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK Dwkaminski (talk) 01:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- At no point do I assert that Young is Centre's best president, and the two sentences listed above are the only places where the word "best" appears in the article, at present. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:45, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- Fantastically referenced article. Love it! I like ALT1 best but let me know if you are open to slight rewording:
- ALT6: ... that John C. Young (pictured) served as president of Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, for nearly 27 years, longer than any other president in the school's history? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "'P. Roush,' long a student favorite, was the third-longest serving Centre president, after only John C. Young and Thomas Spragens."
- Dwkaminski, ALT6 sounds good to me. I added a comma after "Kentucky" per MOS:GEOCOMMA, but that was my only issue with it. All good with me! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that John C. Young (pictured) served as president of Centre College in Danville, Kentucky, for nearly 27 years, longer than any other president in the school's history? Source: William Weston, Centre College: A Bicentennial History, 1819–2019: "'P. Roush,' long a student favorite, was the third-longest serving Centre president, after only John C. Young and Thomas Spragens."
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Articles created/expanded on March 2[edit]
Articles created/expanded on March 3[edit]
Crime of aggression
- ... that the Nuremberg trial verdict described aggression as "the supreme international crime" because "it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole"?
5x expanded by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
Cultural genocide in the United States
- ... that the colonial enslavement of American Indians is described as a cultural genocide? Source: [32]
Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 18:51, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
- ... that David Soliani, creator of Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, became an internet meme for crying on stage? Source: [33][34]
- ALT1: ... that composer Grant Kirkhope was left speechless after being requested to compose music for Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle? Source: [35]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/750 Seventh Avenue
- Comment: There's a couple of nuggets in this article for good hooks, but these two were the easiest to phrase into a hook style. If neither strike your fancy, I'll take another lookthrough.
Improved to Good Article status by Panini! (talk). Self-nominated at 02:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 4[edit]
Martine Bedin
- ... that French designer Martine Bedin, who as part of the debut collection of the Memphis Group, designed the Super Lamp which she described as "like a small dog that I could carry with me"? Source: “ Bedin was a founding member of Memphis in the 1980s, and one of the younger designers that found fame through the group, which has become closely associated with Postmodernism.
Memphis pioneer Ettore Sottsass, took the French designer under his wing while she was still a student and helped turn her whimsical wheeled designs into realised products.
Produced as part of the group's first exhibition, the Super Lamp was described by the designer as "like a small dog that I could carry with me".”
Dezeen- Reviewed: To come
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Decome
- ... that decome was first created by NTT Docomo? Source: "Deco Mail is a brand created by Japanese telco operator DoCoMo." (article)
- ALT1: ... that women are more than twice as likely as men to use decome emojis?
- ALT1a: ... that women are more than twice as likely as men to use deco mail emojis?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eyes That Kiss in the Corners
- ALT1: ... that women are more than twice as likely as men to use decome emojis?
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 06:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment I've suggested some ALTs above, just for some flair :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Yiğit Caner Aydın
- ... that Turkish world-champion para-archer Yiğit Caner Aydın stayed eight months in a hospital after a stand fell over his head, broke his neck, and paralyzed him? Source: "... başına stant düşmesi sonucunda C6 seviyesinde boyun omurunun kırıldığını ve omurilik felci,geçirdiğini aktardı. ", "... 8 ay kadar hastanede tedavi gördüm" (in Turkish) [36]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:44, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
Clement Crisp
- ... that Clement Crisp, a dance critic for the Financial Times from 1956 to 2020, was author or co-author of 17 books on dance and dance history? Source: Financial Times
- Reviewed: To come
Created by Thriley (talk) and Jcspurrell (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 04:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
Article is new, long enough and neutral. It is classified as a stub due to the class parameters of the WikiProjects in its talk page. Please fix them as start-class. It cites sources inline."Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports text similarities of 41.2% in [37], which results from the list of books, and causes no problem. Other rates do not indicate any copy violation. The hook is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is within limit. I could not find the sources for "from 1956" and "17 books". Would you please let me know. I will approve after the above mentioned issues are addressed. CeeGee 10:41, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Angel Street, London
- ... that all the original buildings of London's Angel Street have been destroyed by fire, bombing, or demolition? Source: Too many to list - see the article
- Reviewed: Bewahre uns, Gott
5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 12:43, 6 March 2022 (UTC).
Chanson à bouche fermée
- ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece to be sung with closed mouth composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) in 1933, was published in 1989, edited by Marie-Claire Alain? Source: several
- Reviewed: William Thomas (antiquary)
- Comment: He died young in World War II - speechless - his sister is a famous organist - would fit well in March
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC).
- What strikes me as interesting is that it's a choral piece that is intended to be sung with a closed mouth. That's highly unusual and I think a hook that focuses on that aspect would be a compelling hook even for those uninterested in classical music. How about the following?
- ALT1 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured), is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?
- ALT2 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and edited by his sister Marie-Claire, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?
- ALT3 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a 1933 choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and later edited by his sister Marie-Claire, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?
- ALT4 ... that Chanson à bouche fermée, a 1933 choral piece composed by Jehan Alain (pictured) and posthumously published in 1989, is intended to be sung without text and with a closed mouth?
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to achieve the effect of it standing out by mentioning it early in the hook, knowing the attention span of the Main page readers, who may have lost interest by the history about his sister. Also: to mention first the publication more than half a century later, and then the intention, seems wrong chronology to me. I wonder if it's coincidence that the year Alain composed something speechless was when Hitler came to power, but so far couldn't find more about the background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- In English, it's what we would call a punchline. The words that elicit the reaction are usually saved for the last, not for the middle. Similarly, in hooks, usually we put the main hook fact at the end at not the middle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well, where I live most people would know what the title means without being told, so no surprise to hold to the end (+ I don't believe readers typically have patience to read it all until the end. - This is a serious work, nothing funny or punny, - it expresses the speechlessness well. The author died early in a war. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- In English, it's what we would call a punchline. The words that elicit the reaction are usually saved for the last, not for the middle. Similarly, in hooks, usually we put the main hook fact at the end at not the middle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- I tried to achieve the effect of it standing out by mentioning it early in the hook, knowing the attention span of the Main page readers, who may have lost interest by the history about his sister. Also: to mention first the publication more than half a century later, and then the intention, seems wrong chronology to me. I wonder if it's coincidence that the year Alain composed something speechless was when Hitler came to power, but so far couldn't find more about the background. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 5[edit]
Travis Lupick
- ... that journalist Travis Lupick first wrote about the opioid epidemic for the Georgia Straight in 2014 and has since published two books, Light Up the Night and Fighting for Space, on the subject? Source: “ ELEANOR J. BADER: How did you come to focus on the IV-drug-using community?
TRAVIS LUPICK: I was a general assignment reporter at a newspaper in Vancouver, British Columbia, called The Georgia Straight. In 2014, we noticed that the number of overdose deaths was starting to climb. I wrote one article, and then another and another. Over the next 18 months, overdose deaths increased so much that this became my full-time beat.”
Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 02:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC).
Brian Fawcett
- ... that Brian Fawcett, who would have turned 78 today, started a magazine called NMFG ("No Money From Government")? Source: BC BookLook
- ALT1: ... that Brian Fawcett, who would have turned 78 today, worked as an urban planner and community organizer before becoming a full-time writer? Source: BC BookLook
- Reviewed: Stembridge Gun Rentals
- Comment: Please save for May 13, his 78th birthday (exactly eight weeks and five days from now). Request to IAR the "six weeks in advance" rule. Eligible per Rule 1d, because it only appeared in the "Recent Deaths" section of ITN and not as a bold link.
5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Hum Log (film)
- ... that Rajendra Kumar was supposed to play his first major role in the 1951 social drama Hum Log but was replaced a few days into filming? Source: Rediff.com: "Then he was signed for his first major film, Hum Log, that co-starred Nutan. But, for some reason, he was replaced." + the entire story in Kumar's biography Jubilee Kumar: The Life and Times of a Superstar.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Father Chrysanthus
- Comment: I'm open to other DYK suggestions.
Created by Shshshsh (talk). Self-nominated at 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC).
Earlonne Woods, This Is Ear Hustle
- ... that Earlonne Woods' experience of co-hosting the first podcast created entirely inside a prison, while he was incarcerated, is detailed in the book This Is Ear Hustle? Source: First podcast inside a prison: [38] Contents of book: [39]
Converted from a redirect by Damien Linnane (talk). Self-nominated at 09:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 6[edit]
Angel Locsin filmography
- ... that in the television series sequel Imortal (2010), Angel Locsin (pictured) portrayed the lead role as the daughter of her lycan character in Lobo (2008)? Source: On The Set: Imortal. September 8, 2010. Philippine Entertainment Portal. "In Imortal, Angel Locsin plays Lia Ortega, the daughter of Lyka and Noah in Lobo. She inherited the werewolf blood of her mother."; 5 Remarkable characters of Angel Locsin on Kapamilya Network. April 24, 2015. ABS-CBN Entertainment. "Still playing the lead role, Angel is now the daughter of Lyca and Noah Ortega, Lia."
- Comment: This is my 3rd DYK nomination
Created by Pseud 14 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC).
Five Per Cent For Nothing, Roy Flynn
- ... that after Yes complained about their former manager Roy Flynn getting "Five Per Cent For Nothing", he said he got nothing? Source: "He relinquished his management role, negotiating a deal with the management company, Hemdale, that allowed him to retain five per cent of the band’s earnings in recognition of his efforts on their behalf. Yes were not happy, even recording a track called Five Per Cent For Nothing for their Fragile album ... A two-year court battle followed with Hemdale, with Flynn claiming he was not being paid. With his legal bills mounting, he reportedly settled out of court for $150,000." Oxford Mail, 11 March 2010
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loski
- Comment: Since this was a twofer, I have also reviewed Pushpaben Mehta
Moved to mainspace by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 05:44, 7 March 2022 (UTC).
Eyes That Kiss in the Corners
- ... that the picture book Eyes That Kiss in the Corners was written to celebrate the beauty of Asian eyes and the power that those of Asian heritage have to create change in the world? Source: Determined to refute a childhood of media consumption that solely validated “impossibly narrow” Western beauty standards, debut author Joanna Ho told PW she set out to write a picture book that “celebrated not only the physical beauty of Asian eyes, but also the power we have to create change in the world.” - Publishers Weekly
- Reviewed: Ronald Lou-Poy
Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:45, 7 March 2022 (UTC).
Article was nominated within the first seven days of creation. QPQ completed. Prose is over 1,500 characters and written neutrally. Text is cited properly with inline citations. Earwig reported a 44.1% likelihood of copyright violation, but it mostly caught direct quotes that were cited in the article. It's fine but I would highly recommend rewording some of them. Hook seems a bit wordy; I suggest focusing on one aspect or the other. Lead needs a bit of copy-editing but is not relevant to the nomination in itself. (i.e. "Eyes That Kiss in the Corners is a January 5, 2021, picture book published by HarperCollins." might be better reworded as "Eyes That Kiss in the Corners is a 2021 picture book by Joanna Ho, published by HarperCollins on January 5, 2021 as her debut work.")lullabying (talk) 05:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Lullabying I changed the lead to your suggestion and reworded some quotes down to "35.5%" and "Violation unlikely". I propose ALT1 ... that the picture book Eyes That Kiss in the Corners was written to celebrate the beauty of Asian eyes? SL93 (talk) 00:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93: Great. Maybe for the ALT1 something like "... that the picture book Eyes That Kiss in the Corners was written to celebrate and empower Asian identities?" lullabying (talk) 09:51, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Lullabying I changed the lead to your suggestion and reworded some quotes down to "35.5%" and "Violation unlikely". I propose ALT1 ... that the picture book Eyes That Kiss in the Corners was written to celebrate the beauty of Asian eyes? SL93 (talk) 00:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Arnold II of Isenburg
- ... that Arnold II of Isenburg succeeded his uncle Theoderich von Wied as Archbishop of Trier? Source: everywhere, for example at NDB.
- ALT1: ... that after Arnold II of Isenburg was elected Archbishop of Trier by the cathedral chapter, king Conrad IV of Germany granted the regalia to the opposing candidate, Rudolf de Ponte? Source: s:de:ADB:Arnold II. "Nach dem Ableben Theoderich II. von Wied wählte ein Theil des Capitels den Dompropst Arnold, einen Sohn des Grafen Bruno von Isenburg und der Schwester seines Vorgängers (28. März 1242), während die Gegenpartei sich für den Propst Rudolf von St. Paulin aus dem trierischen Rittergeschlechte de Ponte entschied. Letzterm verlieh Kaiser Konrad IV. sofort die Regalien..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Witold Pilecki
Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 23:05, 6 March 2022 (UTC).
Dennis Swanson
- ... that when Oprah Winfrey was honored at the 2018 Golden Globes, the first person she thanked was the Chicago TV station manager who hired her, Dennis Swanson? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96986354/former-wls-exec-run-oprah-run/
- ALT1: ... that ABC Sports president Dennis Swanson successfully suggested to the International Olympic Committee that it stagger the Summer and Winter Olympics? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/96992129/94s-hurry-up-games-desitned-for/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rapid City High School
- Comment: A fascinating figure indeed with fairly significant contributions to US TV news, sports, and entertainment. Thank this guy if you enjoyed having an Olympics this year!
Moved to mainspace by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:06, 6 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 7[edit]
Lunar Atmospheric Composition Experiment
- ... that LACE found a pre-dawn breeze on the moon? Source: https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/as17psr.pdf
Created by Seddon (talk). Self-nominated at 16:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Ramona Lubo
- ... that basketmaker Ramona Lubo is known as the "real Ramona"? Source: see article for attribution
- ALT1: ... that Helen Hunt Jackson based her novel Ramona after newspaper accounts of Ramona Lubo's husband's death? Source: see article for attribution
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bornean stubtail
Created by Delightfuldilly (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 01:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
WEMG (Tennessee)
- ... that Tennessee radio station WJBE was the first of three owned by singer James Brown? Source: Various
- ALT1: ... that in the 1960s, Tennessee had a radio station named for the "Wonderful Gay Way"? Source: [40]
- Reviewed: Panorama (German television)
- Comment: A somewhat similar hook fact ran for WJBE-FM in 2008...but the actual subject of the article, an FM station in Alabama, was unrelated! (Wikipedia:Recent additions/2008/December) Now the actual station has been written up.
Created by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 07:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC).
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Articles created/expanded on March 8[edit]
Tully Lough Cross
- ... that the 8th or 9th century Irish Tully Lough Cross (pictured) was rediscovered in 1986 at the bottom of a lake by divers who were later convicted for attempting to sell a national treasure to an American museum? Source: "State Papers 1987: 30 things we've learned from 30 years ago]". RTE, 29 December 2017. [41]
- Comment: qpq to follow
Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Ormond Beatty
- ... that Ormond Beatty (pictured), an alumnus, professor, and president of Centre College, very nearly attended Ohio University instead, and only changed his mind "at the last moment"? Source: "When the time came for him to go to college, his trunk was packed with the expectation that he would accompany another youth of the neighborhood to the University of Ohio at Athens; but at the last moment, and by the merest chance, as we say, his destination was changed and he came to Danville."
- ALT1: ... that Ormond Beatty was the first Centre College president who was not a minister? Source: Weston 2019: "Thus it came about that in 1870 Ormond Beatty became the first president of Centre College who was not a minister."
- ALT2: ... that Ormond Beatty (pictured), then a professor and later president of Centre College, was the Smithsonian climate observer for Boyle County, Kentucky for part of the Civil War? Source: "The Smithsonian climate observer in Danville in Boyle County was Ormond Beatty, the Professor of Chemistry and Natural Philosophy at Centre College"
- ALT3: ... that the Centre College board of trustees required Ormond Beatty (pictured) to lecture for only one hour per day after he resigned as president, in order to retain him as part of the faculty? Source: "Beatty returned to the classroom as the new Professor of Metaphysics. The Board was so anxious to retain Beatty that he was only required to serve an hour a day lecturing."
- Reviewed: TBD
Created by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 21:42, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
Cy Block, Ross Horning
- ... that Cy Block and Ross Horning testified before the United States Congress about how the reserve clause limited their careers in professional baseball? Source: [42]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/West Pier Public Convenience, Template:Did you know nominations/Oleksandr Oksanchenko
- Comment: Block is a 5x expansion. Horning is a new article.
Created / 5x expanded by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 03:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
Ed Travis
- ... that after his professional gridiron football career, Ed "Brick" Travis served as president of the Missouri Auto Dealers Association and as president of a local school board? Source: 'Brick' Travis Dies; Football Star and Civic Leader Here
5x expanded by Therapyisgood (talk). Self-nominated at 19:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC).
Article satisfies the length and recency requirements with a 5x-plus expansion on March 8. Earwig check does not disclose any problems with copyright violation or unduly close paraphrasing. Article is reasonably well-written, cited, and neutral. The hook is short enough and supported by in-line citations. The hook is a little on the "meh" side with respect to eligibility criteria 3 ("interesting to a broad audience"), but about on par with the average DYK. QPQ needs to be completed before this can be green-ticked. Cbl62 (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
August Wilson Theatre
- ... that 25 years after U.S. president Calvin Coolidge opened New York City's Guild Theatre, U.S. president Harry S. Truman rededicated it as the ANTA Playhouse? Source: Davis, Charles Belmont (April 14, 1925). "Premiere at Guild's New Theater Hailed As Stage Triumph: President Coolidge Signals the Curtain Up on Splendid Production of Shaw's "Caesar and Cleopatra" Helen Hayes". New York Herald Tribune. p. 14;Calta, Louis (April 25, 1951). "Truman Endorses ANTA Stage Plans; at Dedication of Permanent Home for the Theatre". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that 25 years after one U.S. president opened New York City's Guild Theatre, another president rededicated it as the ANTA Playhouse? Source: Davis, Charles Belmont (April 14, 1925). "Premiere at Guild's New Theater Hailed As Stage Triumph: President Coolidge Signals the Curtain Up on Splendid Production of Shaw's "Caesar and Cleopatra" Helen Hayes". New York Herald Tribune. p. 14;Calta, Louis (April 25, 1951). "Truman Endorses ANTA Stage Plans; at Dedication of Permanent Home for the Theatre". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that at the Guild Theatre, the higher an actor ascended, the farther they were from stardom? Source: Bragdon, Claude (December 1924). "The New York Theater Guild's New Theater". Architectural Record. Vol. 56. pp. 151. This is basically rephrased from a direct quote about dressing rooms, which is in the public domain. The quote is "the number of such flights the actor has to climb to reach his room accurately [indicates] his position in the company, for the higher he ascends the farther he is from stardom."
- ALT3: ... that the marquee of New York City's August Wilson Theatre was dimmed to memorialize victims of the COVID-19 pandemic, then undimmed to commemorate a longtime stagehand who was killed? Source: Evans, Greg (November 16, 2020). "Broadway Stagehand Who Fell To Death Remembered As "Force Of Nature", Theater Marquee Undimmed In Honor". Deadline.
- ALT4: ... that New York City's Virginia Theatre lost $500,000 on a renovation to accommodate "the most expensive quick flop in Broadway history"? Source: Rothstein, Mervyn (May 17, 1988). "After Seven Years And $7 Million, 'Carrie' Is a Kinetic Memory". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks later
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC).
The article is very long so this is only a partial review for now with the review to be finished hopefully within the next few days. For now I think the best hooks are ALT2 and ALT4 (I cannot access either source so I am assuming good faith here). I also didn't find any close paraphrasing. Will also wait the QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:05, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 9[edit]
Coincidance (song)
- ... that according to the song, two men who met by “Coincidance” went on to bring world peace? Source: "Hilarious Video of Two Dancers Who Meet By "Coincidance" Hits 17M Views". The Music Man. 2021-01-06. Retrieved 2022-03-09.
Created by HenryTemplo (talk). Self-nominated at 12:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Delphica
- ... that Gérard de Nerval's poem "Delphica" promises that the gods of classical mythology eventually will return? Source: Poetic Madness and the Romantic Imagination, pp. 244-245 ("Ils reviendront, ces dieux que tu pleures toujours ! / Le temps va ramener l'ordre des anciens jours ... Although the prophecy promises a revival of mythic vitality, Nerval's final tercet suggests that it may well be long before the gods return...")
Created by Ffranc (talk). Self-nominated at 10:00, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
David Wheeler (Alabama politician)
- ... that David Wheeler was running for re-election to the Alabama House of Representatives unopposed in the Republican primary when he died in 2022? Source: https://www.al.com/news/2022/03/alabama-lawmaker-david-wheeler-of-vestavia-hills-has-died.html - "Wheeler, 72, a retired employee of Alabama Power Company, was in the final year of his first term in the Legislature and was unopposed in the Republican primary in his bid for a second term."
- Comment: QPQ unneeded, as I have less than 5 credits. Thank you!
5x expanded by Kafoxe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
Walter Corti
- ... that the Pestalozzi Children's Village in Switzerland was established in 1946 after Walter Corti called for the establishment of a village for orphans of World War II? Source: [43] Villages of Peace; The Elementary School Journal Vol. 65, No. 4 (Jan., 1965), pp. 184-189
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/TBA
- Comment: source is accessible over the wikipedia library.
Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 23:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
Stephen Bishop (cave explorer)
- ... that Stephen Bishop's (pictured) 1842 map of Mammoth Cave, drawn from memory, was so accurate that it remained in use for over forty years? Source: "the Bishop map was used into the 1880s." [44]
- ALT1: ... that self-taught geologist Stephen Bishop (pictured), while working in enslavement, explored Mammoth Cave and took Jenny Lind and Ralph Waldo Emerson on tours? Source: "continued leading tours, which sometimes included famous visitors such as opera singer Jenny Lind, Ralph Waldo Emerson" [45]Source: "Stephen was a self-educated man; ... and much knowledge of geology" [46]
- ALT2: ... that Stephen Bishop (pictured) discovered the key to proving that the Mammoth Cave System is the longest cave system known in the world, 130 years before a 1972 expedition verified that fact? Source: "Guess who first discovered Hanson's Lost River. Stephen Bishop! I'm sending you a copy of his 1842 map. The passage is shown as a dry passage taking off just beyond the second boat landing on Echo River."[Brucker, Roger W.; Watson, Richard A. (1987). The Longest Cave. SIU Press. pp. 253–254]
- ALT3: ... that Mammoth Cave explorer Stephen Bishop (pictured) was initially buried in an unmarked grave and his tombstone even has the wrong year on it? Source: "By the end of the summer of 1857, though, Stephen Bishop had died"[47],Source: "In July 1857, they sold 112 acres they owned near the cave. ... A few months later, Bishop died at age 37 from mysterious causes."[48]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2022 British Indoor Athletics Championships
- Comment: This article was originally created by User:Intrigue in September 2004.Improved to Good Article status by Shearonink (talk). Self-nominated at 20:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: GA Nominator Shearonink started work on this article during Black History Month in the US.
Very interesting article, nice work! - just one minor sourcing issue
and a QPQ needed. Article is newly promoted to GA and is long enough. I see no neutrality issues and Earwig returns no copyright violations, however the section "Fictional depictions" is not verified with inline citations. User:Shearonink could you please either add citations or remove this section? The proposed hooks are interesting, neutral and verified with inline citations. I've slightly tweaked the first hook to mention that the map was drawn from memory as per the source, which I think is pretty interesting. I would go with that one or ALT2, I'll leave that up to you. A blurb about crossing the Bottomless Pit would also be pretty good. The images used have appropriate licences, however I'm not sure I would use the infobox image on the main page given it's a later depiction.A QPQ is required as you have had more than 5 DYK's.Ivar the Boneful (talk) 14:52, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see you've already done a review for QPQ. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 14:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Ivar the Boneful - I just used the QPQ tool on myself, I had no idea I had that many DYK?s...lol it's been over a decade since the most recent one. And, I'm actually not all that sure I submitted any of those myself, I think it might have been a mentor-editor who was helping me out at the time.
- Re: the image...that is the only one that is purportedly/supposedly of Bishop. Oddly enough that image was created in the 1880s for a book and is probably only a fanciful depiction done off of an artist's imagination and N.P. WIllis' description in his "Tropics" publication (since Bishop actually did die in 1857). Despite the mislabeled photograph I found on the internet (I think in "Ancestry" or maybe "pinterest"?), there are no known/reliably-sourced photographs of Bishop and no drawings of him exist that were done from life.
- Re the "fictional depictions" section - I changed that into the more-appropriate "Further reading", only retaining the 2 works I know of that were written by WP-notable authors. Seems important to mention somewhere within the article that notable authors have written works with Bishop as a major player. As a "Further reading", cites are not required. Let me know if that suffices. Shearonink (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Erratus
... that Erratus (pictured) was the first arthropod to evolve legs over 520 million years ago? Source: https://scitechdaily.com/new-missing-link-fossil-reveals-origin-of-arthropod-breathing-system/- ALT1: ... that Erratus (pictured) was one of the earliest known arthropods to show the origins of lungs and limbs in the group? Source: https://scitechdaily.com/new-missing-link-fossil-reveals-origin-of-arthropod-breathing-system/
Created by Fossiladder13 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:15, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
New and long enough, QPQ exempt (QPQ Check results), as the nominator has less than five DYK credits, all non-lead ¶ with citations, a copyvio check reveals no problems, hook content is interesting. An immediate problem is that all of the hook content is not present in the article. Nowhere in the article does it state that the Erratus was the first arthropod to evolve legs. This notion is also not directly mentioned in the source provided atop. Rather, the source alludes to the notion, stating, "Erratus sperare provides the missing link between arthropods that used such specialized flaps and arthropods with biramous limbs. It has both legs and flaps." However, the source does not directly state that it was the first to evolve legs. North America1000 09:49, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Seconding North America's comment and wanted to elaborate a bit. One issue with the whole notion of "first lifeform to evolve" statements are that they're never entirely accurate. They may be the earliest that we know of at the moment, but this is simply due to limitations on the ever-expanding nature of knowledge. Any statement like "the first x to do y" is going to fall flat with time (remember Archaeopteryx? Probably wasn't the first bird after new discoveries emerged), so its safest (if the hook source is accurate in the first place) to replace "first" with "earliest known". Ornithoptera (talk) 11:35, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Romy Golan
- ... that Romy Golan's 2021 book Flashback, Eclipse argues that Italian art of the 1960s reimagined Italian and European history in oblique form? Source: Zone Books
- Reviewed: To come
5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and Anotherarchive (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 16:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 10[edit]
Ramona Bennett
- ... that Puyallup leader Ramona Bennett helped organize a week-long occupation of the Cushman Hospital in 1976? Source: book source (see article)
- ALT1: ... that Puyallup activist Ramona Bennett said "virtually everything constructive I've done has been because children might need it"? Source: book source (see article)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Thomas Fleet (printer)
Created by ProfessorBeaver (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 01:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Museum of Sexual Cultures
- ... that visitors to the Museum of Sexual Cultures made offerings to a statue of Priapus? Source: "There is a statue of Priapus that visitors can make offerings to." https://novyny.live/kharkov/o-chem-rasskazyvaiut-gidy-v-kharkovskom-muzee-seksualnykh-kultur-mira-39707.html
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 17:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to have it as "can make" rather than "made", since the museum is still around, despite the real-world events surrounding the locale? Ornithoptera (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Vanita Jagdeo Borade
![Vanita Jagdeo Borade receiving the Nari Shakti Puraskar](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Nari_Shakti_Puraskar_to_Vanita_Jagdeo_Borade_%28sq_cropped%29.jpg/140px-Nari_Shakti_Puraskar_to_Vanita_Jagdeo_Borade_%28sq_cropped%29.jpg)
- ... that the President of India gave Vanita Jagdeo Borade an award this year, for her work, which included rescuing over 50,000 snakes? Source: She was recognised for creating a foundation for protecting wildlife and the environment and for rescuing and returning 50,000 snakes to their natural habitat
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Healy (theologian)
- Comment: Women's History Month. If you find an error then please fix it.
Created by Mujinga (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 15:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Samuel Marolois
- ... that Samuel Marolois wrote books about perspective and about fortifications? Source: fortification [49] Perspective: [50]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 40 in Tennessee
- Comment: Happy to hear better hook suggestions.
Created by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 00:07, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
Eden of Coronet (guitar)
* ... that the Eden of Coronet is the most expensive guitar in the world? Source: In 2015 the guitar was valued at 7.3 million dirhams or 2 million U.S. Dollars making it the most expensive guitar in the world.
- ALT1: ... that the Eden of Coronet (guitar) has 1.6 kilograms (3.5 lb) of gold and 11,441 diamonds? Source: It has more than 11,441 diamonds (400 carats) and 1.6 kilograms of white gold.
- ALT2: ... that the Eden of Coronet (guitar) is valued at 2 million U.S. dollars? Source: In 2015 the guitar was valued at two million dollars or 7.3 million dirhams making it the most expensive guitar in the world.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jim Jones
Created by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 19:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment Since multiple countries use the dirham, you should probably specify which one it is for clarity. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note. I updated the article, so all hooks need to be adjusted for the fact that the guitar no longer holds that record. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 02:07, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Mandarax and Ornithoptera: When researching the article I made note of the fact that celebrity owned guitars sold for much more, but my research led me to believe this may be the most expensive non-celebrity/auctioned guitar - but still confusing to claim. I think we can still have a catchy hook with ALT1 and 2 rewritten as I have. Bruxton (talk) 04:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Repatriation tax avoidance
- ... that Merck & Co. avoided repatriation taxes totaling over $3 billion during its 2009 acquisition of Schering-Plough? Source: <https://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2556519>; <https://doi.org/10.1111/fire.12283>
Improved to Good Article status by Mhawk10 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
Jim Jones
- ... that Jim Jones initial popularity arose from his participation in the Latter Rain movement and joint healing campaign appearances with William Branham? Source: Reiterman & Jacobs 1982, pp. 50–52 Collins 2017, pp. 177–179
Improved to Good Article status by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
Recently promoted to GA - Correct inline citations. I do not find the hook interesting but the article is. I think a hook related to the fact that he engineered and ordered the mass murder-suicide of 909 people would generate more interest. The copyvio is tripped by long quotes, but it does not appear to be a violation. Many of the references are inaccessible so I assume good faith. In addition to the hook, I also think you need to complete a QPQ based on the fact that this is your eleventh DYK nomination. Bruxton (talk) 19:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Bruxton! The Reiterman source is available on google books for the pages cited, if that helps. As far the hook, I am fine with changing it to whatever. I think most people already know Jim Jones is a mass murderer, so I was trying to bring light to a lesser known fact. But maybe just going with the obvious hook is the way to go? Actually this will be my 39th DYK. :) My first one was in 2009. Back in the day, the last time I really looked at DYK rules anyway, there was volunteer clerks appointed by an admin who there only one permitted to do the reviewing and approving. Sounds like times have changed. I will see what I can do. —Charles Edward (Talk | Contribs) 19:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Journey for Life
- ... that the Journey for Life started with the Zapatistas symbolically invading Spain? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/04/zapatistas-set-sail-for-spain-on-mission-of-solidarity-and-rebellion and https://www.vaticannews.va/en/world/news/2021-05/mexico-indigenous-zapatistas-anniversary-spain-conquest.html
- ALT1: ... that Squadron 421 of the Journey for Life was an echo of the 201st Fighter Squadron? Source: https://www.iwgia.org/en/news/4511-building-alliances-in-pandemic-times-the-zapatista-journey-through-europe.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abhijatabhivamsa
Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 14:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
Qiandama
- ... that Qiandama expanded from a single shop to more than 3,700 locations in less than ten years? Source: 截至2021年10月,錢大媽在全國已進駐超30個城市,門店總數突破3,700間,當中有1,500家集中在廣東省,在港分店於2020年底急升至逾30多間。 Economic Digest, 19 January 2022
- ALT1: ... that grocery chain Qiandama clears its unsold inventory every night? Source: The company is well-known for its slogan “never sells overnight meat” and offers discounts toward the end of each day to clear stocks. Bloomberg, 31 March 2021
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hope Tala
Created by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 09:35, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
WLNL
- ... that radio station WIQT near Elmira, New York, was co-owned with a regional group of clothing, furniture, and shoe stores? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/97302274/manny-carves-a-success-story-cobblers/
5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 05:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 11[edit]
McNally v R
- ... that in 2013, McNally v R upheld a conviction of sexual assault via "gender deception"? Source: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2013/1051.html
- Comment: I am not sure if my hook is perfect, but I would love to nominate my new article! Very open to help with the hook.
Created by Heromagnus1 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:35, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: The source above should be the reliable secondary source which supports the hook fact in the article. I think a rephrase is in order: the conviction was in R v McNally, while McNally v R is the appeal which upheld the conviction. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- hi!! thank you so much. thoughts on the new draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heromagnus (talk • contribs) 22:25, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that a Scottish student challenged her conviction of sexual assault via "gender deception" in McNally v R?
- ALT2: ... that McNally v R upheld a conviction of sexual assault via "gender deception"?
Thank you! I loved your second alt and I am submitting it! Let me know what else I need to do to help this move forward. Thank you :)
Everything I Didn't Say
- ... that English singer Ella Henderson's second studio album Everything I Didn't Say "makes no attempt to gloss over her own [mental health] struggles"? Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/culture/music/ella-henderson-everything-i-didn-t-say-album-review-b987192.html
- ALT1: ... that British singer Ella Henderson suffered panic attacks in her 20s, which led to the delay of her second album Everything I Didn't Say? Source: https://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/ella-henderson-on-her-rebirth-with-second-album-everything-i-didnt-say-so-much-happened-to-me-when-i-was-16-i-needed-to-live__35432/
- reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Childs (printer)
Moved to mainspace by Lil-unique1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
WOPR (Michigan)
- ... that at WOPR, a high school radio station in Michigan, DJs were forced to change the music styles they played every two weeks? Source: [51] p14
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/NewsFront (website)
- Comment: Link to verify hook fact is something of a heavy PDF from a local newspaper archive, so give it a chance to load.
Created by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 03:23, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Hugh Gaine
- ... that during the American Revolution Hugh Gaine's printing shop was attacked by the Sons of Liberty because of his wavering loyalty to the American cause? Source: Fellows, 2005, p. 45; Chopra, 2009, p. 274
- Reviewed: QPQ Pending
- Comment: A few minor edits were made by me in Nov. 2001. 5x expansion commenced on March 11, 2022. Statement and sources supporting hook can be found in the Printing career section, 2nd paragraph
5x expanded by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 01:08, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny
- ... that the satirical study of "Qallunology", the study of white people, in the film Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny, is meant as a critique of the treatment of Inuit culture by anthropologists? Source: "Qallunology is a satirical critique of the objectification of Inuit culture by anthropologists and other social scientists." Stern, Pamela R. (16 June 2010). Daily Life of the Inuit. ABC-CLIO. p. 139. ISBN 978-0-313-36312-2
- ALT1: ... that the humour in the film Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny was used to make the serious subject matter of the film accessible? Source: "Just from a story-telling point of view, we wanted to make these serious topics accessible and humour is a great vehicle for truth-telling." Jankovic, Jovana (23 January 2014). "Filmmaker Q&A: Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny - NFB.ca blog". NFB Blog. National Film Board of Canada.
- ALT2: ... that one of the activities that the fictional Qallunaat Studies Institute engages in includes photocopying white peoples' bodies to understand how they tick? Source: "Turning anthropological studies on its ear, the film sets out to show role reversal with the hilarious Qallunaat Studies Institute where white young men have parts of their bodies photocopied and measured in order to understand what makes them tick as a culture." Dykyj, Oksana (9 December 2012). "Qallunaat! Why White People Are Funny". Educational Media Reviews Online (EMRO). The Pennsylvania State University.
- Reviewed: Antarctic gateway cities
- Comment: This is a really funny and interesting movie with lots to tell. I wanted to include the fact that current MP Lori Idlout played an acting role in the film, but there's not many independent sources on the subject to allow for another ALT hook. Its quite fun that the QPQ subject is Antarctica, while this article is about Arctic peoples. I hope you enjoy this review, I had a lot of fun researching this one. Thank you so much to the reviewer in advance!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
Adolf I von Nassau
- ... that although Adolf I von Nassau was chosen as Archbishop of Mainz by the cathedral chapter in 1371 and 1373, Pope Gregory XI appointed other candidates both times? Source: ADB/NDB.
- ALT1: ... that Adolf I von Nassau was confirmed as Archbishop of Mainz first by Antipope Clement VII, then by Pope Urban VI? Source: NDB [52].
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fibonacci nim
Created by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 23:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
Nick Schmaltz
- ... that on March 5, 2022, Nick Schmaltz set an Arizona Coyotes record with seven points in one ice hockey game? Source: Schmaltz put up a team record 7 points in a game against the Ottawa Senators to help the Coyotes complete a wild 8-5 comeback victory at Gila River Arena on Saturday.
- ALT1: ... that Nick Schmaltz scored the game-winning goal that sent the North Dakota Fighting Hawks to the 2016 NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Tournament finals with only 60 seconds left to play? Source: With sudden-death overtime and all of the heartbreak that can come with it a mere 60 seconds away, the Fighting Hawks' vaunted “CBS” line put the ghosts back in their graves. Sophomore Nick Schmaltz grabbed a loose puck in front of DU goalie Tanner Jaillet and slid it into an empty net with 57 seconds remaining, giving the Fighting Hawks a 3-2 lead.
- ALT2: ... that as a child, Nick Schmaltz's older brother and younger sister would team up against him when they played basement hockey? Source: There were two hockey nets at each end of the room. The siblings would often play while wearing roller blades, and the matchup was often Kylie and Jordan against Nick.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charlie Cytron-Walker
5x expanded by GhostRiver (talk). Self-nominated at 16:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
Ambush (ER)
- ... that "Ambush", the fourth season premiere episode of ER was shown live twice for the east and west coast? Source: [1]
Created by GamerPro64 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC).
References
Articles created/expanded on March 12[edit]
Disney and Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill
- ... that in response to Disney helping fund Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill, Pixar employees revealed that despite internal protest Disney often removes LGBT references from the studio's films? Source: https://variety.com/2022/film/news/disney-pixar-same-sex-affection-censorship-dont-say-gay-bill-1235200582/
Created by PanagiotisZois (talk). Self-nominated at 11:31, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Rashida Beal
- ... that Rashida Beal enjoyed her college team's champion title of the Big Ten Women's Soccer Tournament, and was named the 2016 Big Ten Defender of the Year? Source: "Winning the Big Ten tournament" [53], "Beal was named the 2016 Big Ten Defender of the Year" [54]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:53, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Border Report
- ... that in 2019, Border Report launched a ten-day project covering news stories along the Mexico–US border? Source: TVNewsCheck
Moved to mainspace by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 05:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Fleetwood, Oregon
- ... that Saint Rose Catholic Church (pictured) was moved from the ghost town of Fleetwood, Oregon to the Fort Rock Valley Historical Homestead Museum in 1988? Source: Hook info is from pp. 52 & 197 in book titled Portraits: Fort Rock Valley Homestead Years published by the Fort Rock Valley Historical Society in 1989; that book is not available on-line.
Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
2022 Turkish Masters
- ... that a snooker table used at the 2022 Turkish Masters was fixed by a car jack? Source: https://www.eurosport.co.uk/snooker/turkish-masters/2022/turkish-masters-2022-judd-trump-beats-ali-carter-to-reach-semi-finals-after-controversy-of-sloping-t_sto8839238/story.shtml
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lucy Feagin
- Comment: QPQ to come.
5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk) and HurricaneHiggins (talk). Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk) at 18:50, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Xiang Guangda
- ... that after a trip to Germany, Xiang Guangda decided to shift from making car doors to making stainless steel? Source: Financial Times: "In an interview with a local broadcaster in 2015, Xiang recalled a revelation he had during a business trip to Germany in 1992: BMW and Mercedes-Benz didn’t outsource their doors and windows — they made their own. The factory back home could not last. With the clock ticking, he pivoted to stainless steel, where he saw an opportunity for domestic producers to wean China off its dependence on imported metal."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Uvariopsis dicaprio
- Comment: Person is a bit "in the news" in the financial world at the moment, but I'm not comfortable with a DYK hook on his paper losses.
Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 14:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 13[edit]
LittleBigPlanet (2008 video game)
- ... that the sales for the critically acclaimed video game LittleBigPlanet dwindled before 2009? Source: [55][56]
- ALT1: ... that the lyrics to a licensed song for the critically acclaimed video game LittleBigPlanet had to be removed to avoid offending Muslims? Source: [57][58]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Baucau Airport
Improved to Good Article status by Lazman321 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC).
Cheshire Hall plantation
- ... that at it's peak of operations during the late 1700s, Cheshire Hall plantation (pictured) in Providenciales, Turks and Caicos was 5,000 acres in size and was worked by hundreds of slaves? Source: At it's peak of operations, Cheshire Hall consisted of approximately 5,000 acres and was worked by hundreds of slaves.
- ALT1: ... that during the late 1700s, Cheshire Hall plantation (pictured) was the largest house and estate on Providenciales, Turks and Caicos? Source: The house and estate were the largest on the island at the time.
- ALT2: ... that Cheshire Hall plantation (pictured) was owned by the British Loyalist Wade Stubbs who received compensatory land in Turks and Caicos after the 1783 Treaty of Paris ended the American Revolutionary War? Source: Many of the Loyalist settlers in Florida did not want to live under Spanish rule and received compensatory land in Turks and Caicos. Wade Stubbs was one of the Loyalists who received land in North Caicos and However, low water availability and pest infestations led to poor crop yields and Thomas eventually sold the land to his brother in 1810.
Created by Dwkaminski (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Vivian Beaumont Theater
- ... that neither the Vivian Beaumont Theater's namesake nor one of its architects lived to see the theater's completion? Source: "Eero Saarinen, 51, Architect, Is Dead; Versatile Designer Created Terminal for T.W.A. Here and Embassies for U.S." The New York Times. September 2, 1961; D'Arlene (October 12, 1962). "Mrs. Vivian Beaumont Allen; Gave 3 Million to Lincoln Center; Philanthropist Who Donated Funds in 1958 to Assist in Building Theater Dies Inherited a Fortune". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that many designers and directors avoided the Vivian Beaumont Theater because of its unconventional mixture of stage designs? Source: Marks, Peter (October 27, 1996). "It's a Success, but Is That Enough". The New York Times. "A bitter dispute had erupted among its critics and Beaumont officials over management of the theater, which not only had ceased to be discussed as America's answer to the National Theater in London but had such a vast, unconventional space -- a combination thrust and proscenium stage -- that many directors and designers deemed it unplayable."
- ALT2: ... that though described as "one of the most innovational theater facilities" in the U.S., the Vivian Beaumont Theater was shunned by many designers and directors? Source: "A Thrust Forward For the Theater" (PDF). Progressive Architecture. Vol. 46. November 1965. p. 189; Marks, Peter (October 27, 1996). "It's a Success, but Is That Enough". The New York Times. "A bitter dispute had erupted among its critics and Beaumont officials over management of the theater, which not only had ceased to be discussed as America's answer to the National Theater in London but had such a vast, unconventional space -- a combination thrust and proscenium stage -- that many directors and designers deemed it unplayable."
- ALT3: ... that despite a shortage of Broadway theaters, the Vivian Beaumont Theater remained closed in 1977 because it was too expensive to run? Source: Gussow, Mel (October 26, 1977). "Costs Keep the Beaumont Dark, Despite a Theater Booking Jam". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that in 1983, the Vivian Beaumont Theater was temporarily banned from using Lincoln Center's name even though it was part of Lincoln Center? Source: Schonberg, Harold C. (August 25, 1983). "Lincoln Center Moves Against the Beaumont". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending. More hooks later
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 16:33, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
The article was expanded fivefolds recently, long enough, referenced, neutral and no copyvio obvious. Some sources are behind paywall or offline, and are accepted AGF. The hooks are interesting and referenced. The image here is free and clear, and the other images in the articles are also free. Just waiting for QPQ and any other hooks that may come. Nice work! Corachow (talk) 18:58, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Afternoon of a Faun (Robbins)
![Valery and Galina Panov in Afternoon of a Faun in 1977](https://web.archive.org/web/20220315060439im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Flickr_-_Government_Press_Office_%28GPO%29_-_Afternoon_of_a_Faun.jpg/121px-Flickr_-_Government_Press_Office_%28GPO%29_-_Afternoon_of_a_Faun.jpg)
- ... that Jerome Robbins' ballet Afternoon of a Faun is set in a dance studio, with the dancers facing the audience as if it is the mirror? Source: [59], p. 147
- ALT1: ... that when Jerome Robbins choreographed the ballet Afternoon of a Faun, he took inspiration from dancers looking at themselves in the mirror? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Vivian Beaumont Theater
5x expanded by Corachow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Interesting article that recently was expanded from ~1500 to ~7600 characters of prose, not counting the lead section. Neutral and supported by good sources. The hooks are OK and I could confirm the citation using Google's snippet preview. QPQ done. The image looks good, is in the article and has gone through the appropriate process at Commons, but can you confirm that it is Robbins' version they're performing and not for example the more famous one by Nijinsky? Commons and the Flickr source only say "Afternoon of a Faun", without specifying the version. Ffranc (talk) 13:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Ffranc: Thanks for the review. I'm quite sure it's the Robbins version they're performing because the costumes and set (the ballet barre at the back) matched. See this image on the New York City Ballet website. Valery Panov also mentioned in his book ([60]) that he had danced the Robbins version (though an image caption credited the wrong choreographer). I found the book after you pointed that out and added a tidbit about the Panovs in the performance section of the article. Corachow (talk) 19:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Grace Ho
- ... that Bruce Lee's mother Grace Ho was of either English or German ancestry? Source: Vice
- Reviewed: IOU
Created by MilkerSlug (talk) and Feminist (talk). Nominated by Feminist (talk) at 07:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Kakiniit
- ... that Inuit women would be denied access to the afterlife by the sea goddess Sedna if they did not have finger tattoos? Source: "She would gently remind the girl that the sea goddess denied access to the afterlife to women whose fingers weren’t tattooed." Gaul, Ashleigh (September 2014). "Between the Lines". Up Here. Up Here Publishing.
- ALT1: ... that without facial tattoos, Inuit women would be sent to the land of the crestfallen to spend eternity with smoke coming from their throats and their heads hanging down? Source: "Women without face tattoos were banished to Noqurmiut, the “land of the crestfallen,” where they spent an eternity with their heads hanging down, smoke bellowing out of their throats." Gaul, Ashleigh (September 2014). "Between the Lines". Up Here. Up Here Publishing.
- Reviewed: Infinity symbol
- Comment: The sea goddess in Inuit culture is Sedna, as per Jennifer Alford's source "Reclaiming Inuit culture, one tattoo at a time" at CTV News. If you wish to use the fingers tattoos referenced in ALT0 the photo can be: Milukkattuk (36951).jpg, Thank you in advance to the reviewer!
Converted from a redirect by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 04:24, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Ruyi Bridge
- ... that Ruyi Bridge in China looks like a DNA strand? Source: Madeleine Grey of the The Sydney Morning Herald described the bridge's appearance as a "mix between DNA strand and a futuristic Eye of sauron."
- ALT1: ... that Ruyi Bridge was made to resemble the Chinese symbol for good fortune? Source: Ruyi Bridge was designed by structural steel expert, He Yunchang and made to resemble jade ruyi, which is a Chinese symbol for good fortune.
- ALT2: ... that Ruyi Bridge is so unusual that people thought it might be a deepfake? Source: Initially the bridge became well known when Canadian astronaut Chris Hadfield uploaded a drone video of the bridge to Twitter on November 29, 2020 with the caption: "I'd want better handrails". Many viewers doubted that the bridge was real, and eventually Snopes, opened an investigation and determined that the bridge is real and not a deepfake.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jumbo's Clown Room
Created by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 03:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 14[edit]
Walther von Klingen
- ... that Minnesang poet Walther von Klingen is shown jousting (pictured) in the Codex Manesse manuscript? Source: Bartsch 1886, p. LXXXIV–LXXXV: "Das Bild [...] zeigt den ritterlichen Sänger im Turnier. [...]"
Created by Kusma (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Hans-Karl von Kupsch
- ... that Hans-Karl von Kupsch, who managed the unification of the German National Libraries and book seller unions, ran a gallery of contemporary art together with his wife? Source: several
- Reviewed: to come
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 15[edit]
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