THC Science

Toggling options[edit]

Right, so here we go.

First of all: I just ask this as a sort of proof-of-concept. No guarantees that it will actually be deployed in articlespace, to make it clear upfront. And I have no intention to argue for it now when Scerri's article in Chemistry International telling us about what the project has come up with is still being written and yet to be published. It is just that I thought it was an interesting idea when SMcCandlish proposed it, and that I can definitely see situations in which I think it would be appropriate. ^_^

Now that that's clear: the idea would generally be to have some sort of thing you could click to flip the PT (or really any template) between various forms. Could be used for Sc-Y-La / Sc-Y-Lu; could also be used for something like He-Be vs He-Ne within the specific context of block (periodic table) for example; could even be for something like showing or hiding the extension or flipping between category sets. I can see a lot of possibilities for it beyond just the group 3 and category things, which is why I think developing it might be a good idea anyway. But you're under no obligation to really do it; I was just curious if it could be done. ^_^ Double sharp (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An addendum summarizing my original yakking: It would be a lot of Lua work, and we'd also need to establish what the default output should be (for people running without JavaScript). And "default" might be universal or something set on a per-category/field basis, or whatever; depends on the consensus discussion outcome[s]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. In my testpage I have two technical options. Third one is todo: that would be "zoom" (so not exactly fits here, but a major need for the PT: show overview PT <-> cell details. Example: see US election broadcasts at CNN or NYT: USA map w/colored states, and opening popup with State detailed numbers).

c:Category:Animated GIF files can handle table images, pics &tc, and with various precision (fluid/flickering alternations). No pause option AFAIK. Jscript required?

The map options map zooming (Paris example) are hardcoded in Lua for maps (globe coord calculations!). PT would be easier / hardcoded. Could be cluncky?

Meanwhile, the actual flipping content trbd. -DePiep (talk) 21:52, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drug links template[edit]

Hi there, just a gentle nudge to ask if there's any chance you'll still have time to work up Template:Drug links? A minimal version that looks like the mock at Template_talk:Drug_links#Mock_drug_links_bar and requires users to manually feed the template links (i.e. {{Medical resources}} but for drug links) would be a great minimum functional solution. If you (or anyone else) ever has time to revisit pulling that data from Wikidata, even better. Thanks a million and I hope you're staying well! Ajpolino (talk) 20:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very inviting (happy face), sure, but cannot promis these days. (sad face) -DePiep (talk) 21:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Completely understood. Well if you don't get to it in the next few weeks, I'll take a crack at it. If I set anything on fire, I'll find a noticeboard to go crying to. I hope you're well, and that you're a good kind of busy. Cheers. Ajpolino (talk) 14:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ANI Notification[edit]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 10:27, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Block[edit]

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DePiep, I've given you so many outs, but it doesn't look like you'll ever stop the WP:BATTLEGROUND unless compelled. Which is unfortunate. I'm getting the sense that, in this matter, you cannot see the forest for the trees, with the latest statements citing "gossip" and "underinformed, prejudiced or biased conclusions" (ironically, all after complaining about a lack of diffs).

Even after I've given you an escalated warning, which I've issued before I've learned of your editing restrictions, you still appear to have been operating under the misapprehension that because I got some of the facts wrong at the beginning of the ANI thread, the terms of your editing restrictions are to be waived (which was actually true, but only to a point). That is not how editing restrictions work, though. Sorry it has come to this, but I don't know what else to do at this point, as one thing has become clear to me: you are unwilling or unable to de-escalate at this time. El_C 09:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to discussion: FAC 4 nomination of nonmetal[edit]

Please accept this note as an invitation to participate in the discussion of this latest FAC nomination for the nonmetal article.

The context is that you were involved in the FAC 3 discussion for the article (which was not prompted) or you are an editor who made a recent edit to the nonmetal article.

Thank you. Sandbh (talk) 07:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GAR of nonmetal[edit]

Nonmetal has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 16:21, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On radioactive decay modes (again)[edit]

@DePiep: Sorry to bother you about this subject again, but I'm here to ask about the presentation of certain decay modes. I'm looking at the "Isotopes of helium" page right now, and there are a couple of decay modes mentioned in NUBASE2020 [1] that don't use the same notation (same goes with Template:Decay_modes). Since you are the main contributor of Template:Decay_modes, is it possible to update the template to reflect the decay mode notation used in NUBASE2020 (assuming that NUBASE is taken as the "standard" for decay mode notation, of course)?

Thanks :) —MeasureWell (talk) 00:00, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to say "sorry", you're perfectly right to ask so. RL is taking my interests though. Question(s) heard. -DePiep (talk) 10:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:DPCLEANUP category header[edit]

Template:DPCLEANUP category header has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 11:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Letters with tilde[edit]

{{Letters with tilde}} doesn't exist. Given that there is already a huge table at Tilde#Unicode that lists them all, I expect I could create it fairly easily. Was there a technical reason you haven't already done it? If "it's complicated", I would prefer to know before I spend the time on it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason it does not exist is: there was no "old2021" version so there was nothing to transport. Yeah just pick a good existing example & start editing it. I expect the setup to be a bit self-xplanatory & /doc'ed. I noticed that Hook_(diacritic)#Letters_with_hook also has a very good overview list, before the letterbox. -DePiep (talk) 18:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you not fancy creating this one, John Maynard Friedman? -DePiep (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I got sidetracked onto other things. I plan to have a go today. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's an attempt but not a very successful one, but I've done the grunt work so perhaps you can fix it. I also changed {{Letters with diacritic/doc}}, somewhat arbitrarily so that will need fixing too. Sorry. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Village pump page header/tabs[edit]

Template:Village pump page header/tabs has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Template:Decay_modes/2020[edit]

@DePiep: In the Template:Decay_modes/2020 table on Talk:Radioactive decay you wrote in the "Notes" column next to "ε" (electron capture) that it "equals old EC?". To try to help resolve the matter, I've gone ahead and looked at the nuclides listed on Electron capture that decay via electron capture, and here's what I found:

Under Electron capture#Reaction details, all of the example nuclear reactions given are wrong^* (the nuclides given decay by β⁺ decay^*, NOT by electron capture). Oddly, however, that section correctly^* states that ¹⁶³
Ho
decays via electron capture.
In the tables shown in Electron capture#Common examples, all of the nuclides given (except ⁵⁹
Ni
, which again decays by β⁺^*) do indeed decay via electron capture.^*

Hopefully this helps (even if only a little bit) to help resolve this matter?

Cheers,

— MeasureWell (talk) 07:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

^* according to NUBASE2020

I'm fine with adding this to the talkpage there, after all it is of interest for all.

Since there are many changes between enwiki/2016/2020, I'm not sure on how to proceed.

I'm not familiar with the decay physics at all. I'm just preparing to reproduce the Table, in the article and in all isotope/decay articles.

That includes, resolving differences. This "EC" is part of that. -DePiep (talk) 08:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DePiep: Right, OK. The reason I decided to mention this here was because it didn't look like you'd seen the reply I'd put on Talk:Radioactive decay regarding certain things in the table. Like I also mentioned in my reply on that page, I'm no professional expert either. Perhaps you could cross-link (or whatever the right word is) this on the WikiProject Physics talk page to maybe speed things up? From what I can tell, there haven't really been any major additions to the table since you first put it on the talk page. Thanks for the quick reply! MeasureWell (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Diacritical marks#Proposal: change Sidebar into Navbox[edit]

I'm tempted to leave a message at each of the diacritic mark articles (Acute accent, Circumflex, grave accent, etc) inviting contributions to Template talk:Diacritical marks#Proposal: change Sidebar into Navbox because two editors v one can't really be called a consensus. Any reason why not? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 13:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, preferably not do so. As with the Letters-with-diacrit change, and the Infobox split-out: no big issue, more a default improvement than disputable. Remember the "should be sidebar"-note is in top a very long time, ie is due. Hope we are convincing Uanfala by now, that's all. Worst case: a revert needed? -DePiep (talk) 13:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'm changing the sandbox, eg splitting scripts and adding the Unicode group list. INto a better navbox. You could do so too. Sub-group the top set? DePiep (talk) 13:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok but if Uanfala holds out, we will have to widen it. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but not by those articles. It better needs a MOS expert: why such a list in LEAD? -DePiep (talk) 06:35, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would be very easy to argue that it is not really "in" the lead but "beside" the lead. Thousands of articles have an image, an infobox, a 'series' sidebar, what makes this sidebar any different in that respect. Sorry but I can't see that argument going anywhere.

IMO, the best line is that, now that the original sidebar has been split, the symbol that is the subject of the article is getting its deserved position beside the lead (just below, on mobile), which is as it should be. The 'rump' sidebar (in our opinion!) has inherited a prominence that is undue. It no longer belongs there because in the articles where it is used, it gives the specialist interest in diacritics (as a grammatical structure) a higher priority over body content for most visitors (who use mobile phones). Given its size, that is an unreasonable imposition. Which is why I feel that putting a invitation to comment at the talk pages of the articles where it is used will draw in a wider audience than watches the template or is interested in the principle of diacritics rather than their use in the real world. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 09:32, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No need to redo the discussion over here. We'll wait some more days. DePiep (talk) 16:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid an edit conflict[edit]

I guess you are still working on the new navbox and wouldn't appreciate my getting in the way. I noticed a few errors (where you haven't used the combining form) but have only done A to C before deciding it would be best to hold off for the time being. But you may as well have what I've done rather than lose it:

◌́ ◌˝ acute, double acute
◌̀ ◌̏ grave, double grave
◌̂ circumflex
◌̌ caron, háček
◌̆ ◌̑ breve, inverted breve
◌̧ cedilla

For some reason, the cedilla is not combining on my system (Chromebook) but I assume it works ok elsewhere. Enjoy. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:John Maynard Friedman I'll need 30 minutes for the edits. Will ping you when ready. -DePiep (talk) 14:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

re User:John Maynard Friedman Move completed. Now open for improvements as usual per wiki. And yes, I see the same issue (Firefox). Could not fint the cuase (writing ̏ for ̏ in ◌̏ ?). -DePiep (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All done and all except cedilla appearing as advertised (including double acute this time!). I've added a group7 = non-diacritic uses that you may think is "out of scope" so I won't object if you revert. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]